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Sefirat Haomer leading to Shavuot
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30 pm US/Eastern)
Best Answer Contest winners! Second quarter of 5779
To celebrate Mi Yodeya's tenth birthday, let's divide and conquer the entire…Is there sufficient evidence to support the theory that ancient Israel practiced monolatry?Is it true that there was a time when Jews believed in the existence of several Gods instead of just One?How can we know God?How do we logically know that there are not 2 Gods (according to the Chovos HaLevavos)?What is considered to be “firstborn”?Is it generally accepted by Jewish scholars that Judaism was at one stage henotheist and/or monolatrist?How to understand the texts that litterally speak of other gods and compares to G_dHow isolated was Israel in Goshen?How does Judaism relate to miracle claims by other religions?How can G-d without form produce sound (voice)?Were Children of Israel killed in the plague of the firstborn?Clarification of Yitro's comparison of G-d vs other gods










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During Passover, we read the following passage, from Exodus 12:12:




וְעָבַרְתִּי בְאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם בַּלַּיְלָה הַזֶּה, וְהִכֵּיתִי כָל בְּכוֹר בְּאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם מֵאָדָם וְעַד בְּהֵמָה וּבְכָל אֱלֹהֵי מִצְרַיִם אֶעֱשֶׂה שְׁפָטִים, אֲנִי יי.‏



And God said, "I will go through the land of Egypt on that night… and I will mete out justice against all the gods of Egypt. I the Eternal.




God Himself is saying that He will fight other gods. How can God fight other gods, if other gods don't exist?










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During Passover, we read the following passage, from Exodus 12:12:




וְעָבַרְתִּי בְאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם בַּלַּיְלָה הַזֶּה, וְהִכֵּיתִי כָל בְּכוֹר בְּאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם מֵאָדָם וְעַד בְּהֵמָה וּבְכָל אֱלֹהֵי מִצְרַיִם אֶעֱשֶׂה שְׁפָטִים, אֲנִי יי.‏



And God said, "I will go through the land of Egypt on that night… and I will mete out justice against all the gods of Egypt. I the Eternal.




God Himself is saying that He will fight other gods. How can God fight other gods, if other gods don't exist?










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During Passover, we read the following passage, from Exodus 12:12:




וְעָבַרְתִּי בְאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם בַּלַּיְלָה הַזֶּה, וְהִכֵּיתִי כָל בְּכוֹר בְּאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם מֵאָדָם וְעַד בְּהֵמָה וּבְכָל אֱלֹהֵי מִצְרַיִם אֶעֱשֶׂה שְׁפָטִים, אֲנִי יי.‏



And God said, "I will go through the land of Egypt on that night… and I will mete out justice against all the gods of Egypt. I the Eternal.




God Himself is saying that He will fight other gods. How can God fight other gods, if other gods don't exist?










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During Passover, we read the following passage, from Exodus 12:12:




וְעָבַרְתִּי בְאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם בַּלַּיְלָה הַזֶּה, וְהִכֵּיתִי כָל בְּכוֹר בְּאֶרֶץ מִצְרַיִם מֵאָדָם וְעַד בְּהֵמָה וּבְכָל אֱלֹהֵי מִצְרַיִם אֶעֱשֶׂה שְׁפָטִים, אֲנִי יי.‏



And God said, "I will go through the land of Egypt on that night… and I will mete out justice against all the gods of Egypt. I the Eternal.




God Himself is saying that He will fight other gods. How can God fight other gods, if other gods don't exist?







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    Welcome to MiYodeya JRG and thanks for this first question. Great to have you learn with us!

    – mbloch
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  • Cf. judaism.stackexchange.com/q/11139/170 & judaism.stackexchange.com/q/15780/170

    – msh210
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    Welcome to MiYodeya JRG and thanks for this first question. Great to have you learn with us!

    – mbloch
    2 days ago











  • Cf. judaism.stackexchange.com/q/11139/170 & judaism.stackexchange.com/q/15780/170

    – msh210
    2 days ago







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Welcome to MiYodeya JRG and thanks for this first question. Great to have you learn with us!

– mbloch
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Welcome to MiYodeya JRG and thanks for this first question. Great to have you learn with us!

– mbloch
2 days ago













Cf. judaism.stackexchange.com/q/11139/170 & judaism.stackexchange.com/q/15780/170

– msh210
2 days ago





Cf. judaism.stackexchange.com/q/11139/170 & judaism.stackexchange.com/q/15780/170

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The "gods" worshipped by ancient Egypt included the Nile, cows and the sun (see e.g., Wikipedia's entry). These definitely exist as physical entities.



One of the goals or effect of the ten plagues was to show God's dominion over these entities. The Maharal (cited in R Shmuel Goldin's Unlocking the haggada, p. 115) explains one can break down the plagues in three groups



  • those coming from below: blood, frogs and lice

  • those coming from the same level as man: animals, pestilence of livestock and boils

  • those coming from above: hail/fire, locusts, darkness and the death of first-borns.

In total the plagues demonstrated God's total dominion over the entire world.






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  • I get the thrust of this answer theologically, but I think it could be improved by explicitly linking the "justice" and "fighting" referred to in the question with the "plagues" and "dominion" in the answer, as those 4 things do not necessarily belong to the same conceptual framework.

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  • I think this answer could be improved by explicitly addressing the asker's "other gods don't exist" point. You point out that the sun et al. exist, but you don't specify whether or not the sun et al. are actually gods.

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A very important theological question that confuses many.



In Biblical Hebrew, the word אלהים means "powers" in general, but can be used either as a Holy Name (referring to G-d) or to any other source of power be it human (like kings or judges) or inanimate, like celestial bodies, natural phenomena or imaginable figures (god of fire or god of fertility).



THe difference in reading verses with the name אלהים is that the first is forbidden to say in vain and the others are not (see Rambam Yesodey Hatorah 6) even if they are written the same.



So what G-d is saying in this passage, is that His intention is to show that all the powers of all other gods that people worship come from one G-d, and without Him they are powerless.






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    Rabbi Eliezer Ashkenazi as cited by Rabbi Yaakov Tzvi Meklenburg in HaKsav VeHaKabbalah writes that it refers to people who were born under the Mazalic influence of Ares whom the Egyptians venerated as quasi-gods and to firstborns whom the Egyptians also venerated.






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    The "gods" worshipped by ancient Egypt included the Nile, cows and the sun (see e.g., Wikipedia's entry). These definitely exist as physical entities.



    One of the goals or effect of the ten plagues was to show God's dominion over these entities. The Maharal (cited in R Shmuel Goldin's Unlocking the haggada, p. 115) explains one can break down the plagues in three groups



    • those coming from below: blood, frogs and lice

    • those coming from the same level as man: animals, pestilence of livestock and boils

    • those coming from above: hail/fire, locusts, darkness and the death of first-borns.

    In total the plagues demonstrated God's total dominion over the entire world.






    share|improve this answer

























    • I get the thrust of this answer theologically, but I think it could be improved by explicitly linking the "justice" and "fighting" referred to in the question with the "plagues" and "dominion" in the answer, as those 4 things do not necessarily belong to the same conceptual framework.

      – WAF
      2 days ago











    • I think this answer could be improved by explicitly addressing the asker's "other gods don't exist" point. You point out that the sun et al. exist, but you don't specify whether or not the sun et al. are actually gods.

      – msh210
      2 days ago















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    The "gods" worshipped by ancient Egypt included the Nile, cows and the sun (see e.g., Wikipedia's entry). These definitely exist as physical entities.



    One of the goals or effect of the ten plagues was to show God's dominion over these entities. The Maharal (cited in R Shmuel Goldin's Unlocking the haggada, p. 115) explains one can break down the plagues in three groups



    • those coming from below: blood, frogs and lice

    • those coming from the same level as man: animals, pestilence of livestock and boils

    • those coming from above: hail/fire, locusts, darkness and the death of first-borns.

    In total the plagues demonstrated God's total dominion over the entire world.






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    • I get the thrust of this answer theologically, but I think it could be improved by explicitly linking the "justice" and "fighting" referred to in the question with the "plagues" and "dominion" in the answer, as those 4 things do not necessarily belong to the same conceptual framework.

      – WAF
      2 days ago











    • I think this answer could be improved by explicitly addressing the asker's "other gods don't exist" point. You point out that the sun et al. exist, but you don't specify whether or not the sun et al. are actually gods.

      – msh210
      2 days ago













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    The "gods" worshipped by ancient Egypt included the Nile, cows and the sun (see e.g., Wikipedia's entry). These definitely exist as physical entities.



    One of the goals or effect of the ten plagues was to show God's dominion over these entities. The Maharal (cited in R Shmuel Goldin's Unlocking the haggada, p. 115) explains one can break down the plagues in three groups



    • those coming from below: blood, frogs and lice

    • those coming from the same level as man: animals, pestilence of livestock and boils

    • those coming from above: hail/fire, locusts, darkness and the death of first-borns.

    In total the plagues demonstrated God's total dominion over the entire world.






    share|improve this answer















    The "gods" worshipped by ancient Egypt included the Nile, cows and the sun (see e.g., Wikipedia's entry). These definitely exist as physical entities.



    One of the goals or effect of the ten plagues was to show God's dominion over these entities. The Maharal (cited in R Shmuel Goldin's Unlocking the haggada, p. 115) explains one can break down the plagues in three groups



    • those coming from below: blood, frogs and lice

    • those coming from the same level as man: animals, pestilence of livestock and boils

    • those coming from above: hail/fire, locusts, darkness and the death of first-borns.

    In total the plagues demonstrated God's total dominion over the entire world.







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    • I get the thrust of this answer theologically, but I think it could be improved by explicitly linking the "justice" and "fighting" referred to in the question with the "plagues" and "dominion" in the answer, as those 4 things do not necessarily belong to the same conceptual framework.

      – WAF
      2 days ago











    • I think this answer could be improved by explicitly addressing the asker's "other gods don't exist" point. You point out that the sun et al. exist, but you don't specify whether or not the sun et al. are actually gods.

      – msh210
      2 days ago

















    • I get the thrust of this answer theologically, but I think it could be improved by explicitly linking the "justice" and "fighting" referred to in the question with the "plagues" and "dominion" in the answer, as those 4 things do not necessarily belong to the same conceptual framework.

      – WAF
      2 days ago











    • I think this answer could be improved by explicitly addressing the asker's "other gods don't exist" point. You point out that the sun et al. exist, but you don't specify whether or not the sun et al. are actually gods.

      – msh210
      2 days ago
















    I get the thrust of this answer theologically, but I think it could be improved by explicitly linking the "justice" and "fighting" referred to in the question with the "plagues" and "dominion" in the answer, as those 4 things do not necessarily belong to the same conceptual framework.

    – WAF
    2 days ago





    I get the thrust of this answer theologically, but I think it could be improved by explicitly linking the "justice" and "fighting" referred to in the question with the "plagues" and "dominion" in the answer, as those 4 things do not necessarily belong to the same conceptual framework.

    – WAF
    2 days ago













    I think this answer could be improved by explicitly addressing the asker's "other gods don't exist" point. You point out that the sun et al. exist, but you don't specify whether or not the sun et al. are actually gods.

    – msh210
    2 days ago





    I think this answer could be improved by explicitly addressing the asker's "other gods don't exist" point. You point out that the sun et al. exist, but you don't specify whether or not the sun et al. are actually gods.

    – msh210
    2 days ago











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    A very important theological question that confuses many.



    In Biblical Hebrew, the word אלהים means "powers" in general, but can be used either as a Holy Name (referring to G-d) or to any other source of power be it human (like kings or judges) or inanimate, like celestial bodies, natural phenomena or imaginable figures (god of fire or god of fertility).



    THe difference in reading verses with the name אלהים is that the first is forbidden to say in vain and the others are not (see Rambam Yesodey Hatorah 6) even if they are written the same.



    So what G-d is saying in this passage, is that His intention is to show that all the powers of all other gods that people worship come from one G-d, and without Him they are powerless.






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      A very important theological question that confuses many.



      In Biblical Hebrew, the word אלהים means "powers" in general, but can be used either as a Holy Name (referring to G-d) or to any other source of power be it human (like kings or judges) or inanimate, like celestial bodies, natural phenomena or imaginable figures (god of fire or god of fertility).



      THe difference in reading verses with the name אלהים is that the first is forbidden to say in vain and the others are not (see Rambam Yesodey Hatorah 6) even if they are written the same.



      So what G-d is saying in this passage, is that His intention is to show that all the powers of all other gods that people worship come from one G-d, and without Him they are powerless.






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        A very important theological question that confuses many.



        In Biblical Hebrew, the word אלהים means "powers" in general, but can be used either as a Holy Name (referring to G-d) or to any other source of power be it human (like kings or judges) or inanimate, like celestial bodies, natural phenomena or imaginable figures (god of fire or god of fertility).



        THe difference in reading verses with the name אלהים is that the first is forbidden to say in vain and the others are not (see Rambam Yesodey Hatorah 6) even if they are written the same.



        So what G-d is saying in this passage, is that His intention is to show that all the powers of all other gods that people worship come from one G-d, and without Him they are powerless.






        share|improve this answer













        A very important theological question that confuses many.



        In Biblical Hebrew, the word אלהים means "powers" in general, but can be used either as a Holy Name (referring to G-d) or to any other source of power be it human (like kings or judges) or inanimate, like celestial bodies, natural phenomena or imaginable figures (god of fire or god of fertility).



        THe difference in reading verses with the name אלהים is that the first is forbidden to say in vain and the others are not (see Rambam Yesodey Hatorah 6) even if they are written the same.



        So what G-d is saying in this passage, is that His intention is to show that all the powers of all other gods that people worship come from one G-d, and without Him they are powerless.







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            Rabbi Eliezer Ashkenazi as cited by Rabbi Yaakov Tzvi Meklenburg in HaKsav VeHaKabbalah writes that it refers to people who were born under the Mazalic influence of Ares whom the Egyptians venerated as quasi-gods and to firstborns whom the Egyptians also venerated.






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            • I can only read the English. I wonder what word is used in the original language?

              – JRG
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            Rabbi Eliezer Ashkenazi as cited by Rabbi Yaakov Tzvi Meklenburg in HaKsav VeHaKabbalah writes that it refers to people who were born under the Mazalic influence of Ares whom the Egyptians venerated as quasi-gods and to firstborns whom the Egyptians also venerated.






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            • I can only read the English. I wonder what word is used in the original language?

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            Rabbi Eliezer Ashkenazi as cited by Rabbi Yaakov Tzvi Meklenburg in HaKsav VeHaKabbalah writes that it refers to people who were born under the Mazalic influence of Ares whom the Egyptians venerated as quasi-gods and to firstborns whom the Egyptians also venerated.






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            Rabbi Eliezer Ashkenazi as cited by Rabbi Yaakov Tzvi Meklenburg in HaKsav VeHaKabbalah writes that it refers to people who were born under the Mazalic influence of Ares whom the Egyptians venerated as quasi-gods and to firstborns whom the Egyptians also venerated.







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            • I can only read the English. I wonder what word is used in the original language?

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            • I can only read the English. I wonder what word is used in the original language?

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            I can only read the English. I wonder what word is used in the original language?

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            I can only read the English. I wonder what word is used in the original language?

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