Side effects of Initiation by a Guru?Are husband and wife, associated/affected by each others' sins?Does guru get good karma of disciple?Guru Seva typesWho was the guru of Vibhishana?What is the Vedic definition of “life”?Are Shabar Mantras really auto-energised?Why was rAmAnuja refused initiation for 17 times?Why Guru mantra is given in right ear?Are religions (generally) inducing fear in humans in the name of hell to make them believe in God?Is initiation of tantrik mantras of many people together in a hall permitted by the scriptures?What makes one 'Jagad-Guru'?Does guru get good karma of disciple?
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Side effects of Initiation by a Guru?
Are husband and wife, associated/affected by each others' sins?Does guru get good karma of disciple?Guru Seva typesWho was the guru of Vibhishana?What is the Vedic definition of “life”?Are Shabar Mantras really auto-energised?Why was rAmAnuja refused initiation for 17 times?Why Guru mantra is given in right ear?Are religions (generally) inducing fear in humans in the name of hell to make them believe in God?Is initiation of tantrik mantras of many people together in a hall permitted by the scriptures?What makes one 'Jagad-Guru'?Does guru get good karma of disciple?
The guru at the time of initiation takes on himself the sins of the disciple and suffers so much from physical maladies.
My question:
- Is this true? Is this why many gurus suffer from various diseases?
- Are there any reliable sources from our scriptures that can support this, if true?
sin guru initiation
asked May 3 at 15:07
Just_Do_ItJust_Do_It
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The guru at the time of initiation takes on himself the sins of the disciple and suffers so much from physical maladies.
My question:
- Is this true? Is this why many gurus suffer from various diseases?
- Are there any reliable sources from our scriptures that can support this, if true?
sin guru initiation
asked May 3 at 15:07
Just_Do_ItJust_Do_It
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taking sins of disciples? That sounds weird to me..
– Log Tran
May 3 at 15:16
Everything is energy, vibration and frequency, when someone with higher energy, vibration and frequency comes in touch with someone with lower energy, vibration and frequency .... will there be no energy transformation??? @LogTran
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:29
Whenever two people meet, sin transfer happens or what? High sinner sin gets reduced and low sinner quota increases. You killed the logic itself.
– Log Tran
May 4 at 6:09
add a comment |
The guru at the time of initiation takes on himself the sins of the disciple and suffers so much from physical maladies.
My question:
- Is this true? Is this why many gurus suffer from various diseases?
- Are there any reliable sources from our scriptures that can support this, if true?
sin guru initiation
asked May 3 at 15:07
Just_Do_ItJust_Do_It
4,401329
The guru at the time of initiation takes on himself the sins of the disciple and suffers so much from physical maladies.
My question:
- Is this true? Is this why many gurus suffer from various diseases?
- Are there any reliable sources from our scriptures that can support this, if true?
sin guru initiation
sin guru initiation
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Just_Do_ItJust_Do_It
4,401329
asked May 3 at 15:07
Just_Do_ItJust_Do_It
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Just_Do_It
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Just_Do_ItJust_Do_It
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asked May 3 at 15:07
Just_Do_ItJust_Do_It
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asked May 3 at 15:07
Just_Do_ItJust_Do_It
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taking sins of disciples? That sounds weird to me..
– Log Tran
May 3 at 15:16
Everything is energy, vibration and frequency, when someone with higher energy, vibration and frequency comes in touch with someone with lower energy, vibration and frequency .... will there be no energy transformation??? @LogTran
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:29
Whenever two people meet, sin transfer happens or what? High sinner sin gets reduced and low sinner quota increases. You killed the logic itself.
– Log Tran
May 4 at 6:09
add a comment |
taking sins of disciples? That sounds weird to me..
– Log Tran
May 3 at 15:16
Everything is energy, vibration and frequency, when someone with higher energy, vibration and frequency comes in touch with someone with lower energy, vibration and frequency .... will there be no energy transformation??? @LogTran
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:29
Whenever two people meet, sin transfer happens or what? High sinner sin gets reduced and low sinner quota increases. You killed the logic itself.
– Log Tran
May 4 at 6:09
taking sins of disciples? That sounds weird to me..
– Log Tran
May 3 at 15:16
taking sins of disciples? That sounds weird to me..
– Log Tran
May 3 at 15:16
Everything is energy, vibration and frequency, when someone with higher energy, vibration and frequency comes in touch with someone with lower energy, vibration and frequency .... will there be no energy transformation??? @LogTran
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:29
Everything is energy, vibration and frequency, when someone with higher energy, vibration and frequency comes in touch with someone with lower energy, vibration and frequency .... will there be no energy transformation??? @LogTran
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:29
Whenever two people meet, sin transfer happens or what? High sinner sin gets reduced and low sinner quota increases. You killed the logic itself.
– Log Tran
May 4 at 6:09
Whenever two people meet, sin transfer happens or what? High sinner sin gets reduced and low sinner quota increases. You killed the logic itself.
– Log Tran
May 4 at 6:09
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Quoting the verse from this answer:
Mantridoshascha rAjAnam jAyAdoshah patim yathA |
TathA prApnotyasandeham shishyapApam gurum priye ||
Just like a king gets affected by the sins committed by his ministers,
a husband gets affected by the sins committed by his wife, likewise,
without any doubt, O Beloved, a disciple's sins affect the Teacher
(Guru).
KulArnava Tantram 11.110
This means that if after initiation, the disciple commits a sin, the Guru will also have to share that guilt. That is why the Guru is to accept a disciple only after checking whether the disciple is qualified for the initiation and of a good conduct or not.
Also, the Guru burns the sins of the disciple by Shaktipata etc during initiation but he does not accept the disciple's sins.
answered May 3 at 15:36
RickrossRickross
56.1k383194
So it means sins of the disciple affect guru after initiation not during it? Right? @rickross
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:54
Yes that’s right @Just_Do_It
– Rickross
May 3 at 16:10
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Just to add to Rickross' answer, the Rudrayamala says
vichArya yatAnAd vidhivat shishya-sangraham Achared/anyathA shishyadoshena narakastho bhaved guruh//
Meaning : If the guru initiates without testing someone according to rule just for making more disciple, he goes to hell because of the faults of the disciple.
Reference: satramulak bharatiya shaktisadhana, Upendrakumar Das, RMIC, vol.2, page 775
answered May 3 at 16:17
commonmancommonman
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A guru has to assume responsibility for the disciple's sin and suffering.
ELDER SISTER-IN-LAW: "Will you please give us some instruction?"
MASTER (affectionately): "I don't give initiation. If a guru gives
initiation he must assume responsibility for the disciple's sin and
suffering. The Divine Mother has placed me in the state of a child.
Perform the Siva Puja as I told you. Come here now and then. We shall
see what happens later on through the will of God. I asked you to
chant the name of Hari at home. Are you doing that?"
ELDER SISTER-IN-LAW: "Yes."
The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, ch 22, Advice to an actor, May 24, 1884
answered 14 hours ago
Pradip GangopadhyayPradip Gangopadhyay
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3 Answers
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active
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3 Answers
3
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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Quoting the verse from this answer:
Mantridoshascha rAjAnam jAyAdoshah patim yathA |
TathA prApnotyasandeham shishyapApam gurum priye ||
Just like a king gets affected by the sins committed by his ministers,
a husband gets affected by the sins committed by his wife, likewise,
without any doubt, O Beloved, a disciple's sins affect the Teacher
(Guru).
KulArnava Tantram 11.110
This means that if after initiation, the disciple commits a sin, the Guru will also have to share that guilt. That is why the Guru is to accept a disciple only after checking whether the disciple is qualified for the initiation and of a good conduct or not.
Also, the Guru burns the sins of the disciple by Shaktipata etc during initiation but he does not accept the disciple's sins.
answered May 3 at 15:36
RickrossRickross
56.1k383194
So it means sins of the disciple affect guru after initiation not during it? Right? @rickross
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:54
Yes that’s right @Just_Do_It
– Rickross
May 3 at 16:10
add a comment |
Quoting the verse from this answer:
Mantridoshascha rAjAnam jAyAdoshah patim yathA |
TathA prApnotyasandeham shishyapApam gurum priye ||
Just like a king gets affected by the sins committed by his ministers,
a husband gets affected by the sins committed by his wife, likewise,
without any doubt, O Beloved, a disciple's sins affect the Teacher
(Guru).
KulArnava Tantram 11.110
This means that if after initiation, the disciple commits a sin, the Guru will also have to share that guilt. That is why the Guru is to accept a disciple only after checking whether the disciple is qualified for the initiation and of a good conduct or not.
Also, the Guru burns the sins of the disciple by Shaktipata etc during initiation but he does not accept the disciple's sins.
answered May 3 at 15:36
RickrossRickross
56.1k383194
So it means sins of the disciple affect guru after initiation not during it? Right? @rickross
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:54
Yes that’s right @Just_Do_It
– Rickross
May 3 at 16:10
add a comment |
Quoting the verse from this answer:
Mantridoshascha rAjAnam jAyAdoshah patim yathA |
TathA prApnotyasandeham shishyapApam gurum priye ||
Just like a king gets affected by the sins committed by his ministers,
a husband gets affected by the sins committed by his wife, likewise,
without any doubt, O Beloved, a disciple's sins affect the Teacher
(Guru).
KulArnava Tantram 11.110
This means that if after initiation, the disciple commits a sin, the Guru will also have to share that guilt. That is why the Guru is to accept a disciple only after checking whether the disciple is qualified for the initiation and of a good conduct or not.
Also, the Guru burns the sins of the disciple by Shaktipata etc during initiation but he does not accept the disciple's sins.
answered May 3 at 15:36
RickrossRickross
56.1k383194
Quoting the verse from this answer:
Mantridoshascha rAjAnam jAyAdoshah patim yathA |
TathA prApnotyasandeham shishyapApam gurum priye ||
Just like a king gets affected by the sins committed by his ministers,
a husband gets affected by the sins committed by his wife, likewise,
without any doubt, O Beloved, a disciple's sins affect the Teacher
(Guru).
KulArnava Tantram 11.110
This means that if after initiation, the disciple commits a sin, the Guru will also have to share that guilt. That is why the Guru is to accept a disciple only after checking whether the disciple is qualified for the initiation and of a good conduct or not.
Also, the Guru burns the sins of the disciple by Shaktipata etc during initiation but he does not accept the disciple's sins.
answered May 3 at 15:36
RickrossRickross
56.1k383194
answered May 3 at 15:36
RickrossRickross
56.1k383194
answered May 3 at 15:36
RickrossRickross
56.1k383194
answered May 3 at 15:36
RickrossRickross
56.1k383194
56.1k383194
So it means sins of the disciple affect guru after initiation not during it? Right? @rickross
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:54
Yes that’s right @Just_Do_It
– Rickross
May 3 at 16:10
add a comment |
So it means sins of the disciple affect guru after initiation not during it? Right? @rickross
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:54
Yes that’s right @Just_Do_It
– Rickross
May 3 at 16:10
So it means sins of the disciple affect guru after initiation not during it? Right? @rickross
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:54
So it means sins of the disciple affect guru after initiation not during it? Right? @rickross
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:54
Yes that’s right @Just_Do_It
– Rickross
May 3 at 16:10
Yes that’s right @Just_Do_It
– Rickross
May 3 at 16:10
add a comment |
Just to add to Rickross' answer, the Rudrayamala says
vichArya yatAnAd vidhivat shishya-sangraham Achared/anyathA shishyadoshena narakastho bhaved guruh//
Meaning : If the guru initiates without testing someone according to rule just for making more disciple, he goes to hell because of the faults of the disciple.
Reference: satramulak bharatiya shaktisadhana, Upendrakumar Das, RMIC, vol.2, page 775
answered May 3 at 16:17
commonmancommonman
12.2k11058
add a comment |
Just to add to Rickross' answer, the Rudrayamala says
vichArya yatAnAd vidhivat shishya-sangraham Achared/anyathA shishyadoshena narakastho bhaved guruh//
Meaning : If the guru initiates without testing someone according to rule just for making more disciple, he goes to hell because of the faults of the disciple.
Reference: satramulak bharatiya shaktisadhana, Upendrakumar Das, RMIC, vol.2, page 775
answered May 3 at 16:17
commonmancommonman
12.2k11058
add a comment |
Just to add to Rickross' answer, the Rudrayamala says
vichArya yatAnAd vidhivat shishya-sangraham Achared/anyathA shishyadoshena narakastho bhaved guruh//
Meaning : If the guru initiates without testing someone according to rule just for making more disciple, he goes to hell because of the faults of the disciple.
Reference: satramulak bharatiya shaktisadhana, Upendrakumar Das, RMIC, vol.2, page 775
answered May 3 at 16:17
commonmancommonman
12.2k11058
Just to add to Rickross' answer, the Rudrayamala says
vichArya yatAnAd vidhivat shishya-sangraham Achared/anyathA shishyadoshena narakastho bhaved guruh//
Meaning : If the guru initiates without testing someone according to rule just for making more disciple, he goes to hell because of the faults of the disciple.
Reference: satramulak bharatiya shaktisadhana, Upendrakumar Das, RMIC, vol.2, page 775
answered May 3 at 16:17
commonmancommonman
12.2k11058
answered May 3 at 16:17
commonmancommonman
12.2k11058
answered May 3 at 16:17
commonmancommonman
12.2k11058
answered May 3 at 16:17
commonmancommonman
12.2k11058
12.2k11058
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add a comment |
A guru has to assume responsibility for the disciple's sin and suffering.
ELDER SISTER-IN-LAW: "Will you please give us some instruction?"
MASTER (affectionately): "I don't give initiation. If a guru gives
initiation he must assume responsibility for the disciple's sin and
suffering. The Divine Mother has placed me in the state of a child.
Perform the Siva Puja as I told you. Come here now and then. We shall
see what happens later on through the will of God. I asked you to
chant the name of Hari at home. Are you doing that?"
ELDER SISTER-IN-LAW: "Yes."
The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, ch 22, Advice to an actor, May 24, 1884
answered 14 hours ago
Pradip GangopadhyayPradip Gangopadhyay
16k2258
add a comment |
A guru has to assume responsibility for the disciple's sin and suffering.
ELDER SISTER-IN-LAW: "Will you please give us some instruction?"
MASTER (affectionately): "I don't give initiation. If a guru gives
initiation he must assume responsibility for the disciple's sin and
suffering. The Divine Mother has placed me in the state of a child.
Perform the Siva Puja as I told you. Come here now and then. We shall
see what happens later on through the will of God. I asked you to
chant the name of Hari at home. Are you doing that?"
ELDER SISTER-IN-LAW: "Yes."
The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, ch 22, Advice to an actor, May 24, 1884
answered 14 hours ago
Pradip GangopadhyayPradip Gangopadhyay
16k2258
add a comment |
A guru has to assume responsibility for the disciple's sin and suffering.
ELDER SISTER-IN-LAW: "Will you please give us some instruction?"
MASTER (affectionately): "I don't give initiation. If a guru gives
initiation he must assume responsibility for the disciple's sin and
suffering. The Divine Mother has placed me in the state of a child.
Perform the Siva Puja as I told you. Come here now and then. We shall
see what happens later on through the will of God. I asked you to
chant the name of Hari at home. Are you doing that?"
ELDER SISTER-IN-LAW: "Yes."
The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, ch 22, Advice to an actor, May 24, 1884
answered 14 hours ago
Pradip GangopadhyayPradip Gangopadhyay
16k2258
A guru has to assume responsibility for the disciple's sin and suffering.
ELDER SISTER-IN-LAW: "Will you please give us some instruction?"
MASTER (affectionately): "I don't give initiation. If a guru gives
initiation he must assume responsibility for the disciple's sin and
suffering. The Divine Mother has placed me in the state of a child.
Perform the Siva Puja as I told you. Come here now and then. We shall
see what happens later on through the will of God. I asked you to
chant the name of Hari at home. Are you doing that?"
ELDER SISTER-IN-LAW: "Yes."
The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, ch 22, Advice to an actor, May 24, 1884
answered 14 hours ago
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taking sins of disciples? That sounds weird to me..
– Log Tran
May 3 at 15:16
Everything is energy, vibration and frequency, when someone with higher energy, vibration and frequency comes in touch with someone with lower energy, vibration and frequency .... will there be no energy transformation??? @LogTran
– Just_Do_It
May 3 at 15:29
Whenever two people meet, sin transfer happens or what? High sinner sin gets reduced and low sinner quota increases. You killed the logic itself.
– Log Tran
May 4 at 6:09