Expectation over a max operationIs the following property for positive random variables fulfilled in general?Does a sample version of the one-sided Chebyshev inequality exist?Cantelli's inequality proofInequality regarding expectation of function of a random variableExpectation of square root of sum of independent squared uniform random variablesProve that $ mathbbE[XY] - mathbbE[X] mathbbE[Y] = int_- infty^infty int_- infty^infty (F(x,y)-F_X(x) F_Y(y)) dxdy,$When the Central Limit Theorem and the Law of Large Numbers disagreeTwo distributions, same mean, different variance: Stochastic dominance for deviation from mean?Random variables - proof of convergence in probabilityWhen is the pmf of the difference of two independent random variables symmetric in zero?

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Expectation over a max operation


Is the following property for positive random variables fulfilled in general?Does a sample version of the one-sided Chebyshev inequality exist?Cantelli's inequality proofInequality regarding expectation of function of a random variableExpectation of square root of sum of independent squared uniform random variablesProve that $ mathbbE[XY] - mathbbE[X] mathbbE[Y] = int_- infty^infty int_- infty^infty (F(x,y)-F_X(x) F_Y(y)) dxdy,$When the Central Limit Theorem and the Law of Large Numbers disagreeTwo distributions, same mean, different variance: Stochastic dominance for deviation from mean?Random variables - proof of convergence in probabilityWhen is the pmf of the difference of two independent random variables symmetric in zero?






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Let $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ be a "non-negative" random variable and $c$ is a "given" strictly positive number. I wonder if the following inequality holds:
$$
E[maxX,c] leq maxE[X],c,
$$

where $E[cdot]$ is the expectation.



I suspect from Jensen's inequality the other way around should be true; but since the $c$ above is a certain constant, I'm still (naively) hopeful that it could be true.










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    $newcommandEBbbE$For any constant $c$, $xmapsto max(x,c)$ is a convex function, so as you noted, Jensen's inequality gives us $E[max(X,c)]ge maxleft(E[X],cright)$.
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Let $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ be a "non-negative" random variable and $c$ is a "given" strictly positive number. I wonder if the following inequality holds:
$$
E[maxX,c] leq maxE[X],c,
$$

where $E[cdot]$ is the expectation.



I suspect from Jensen's inequality the other way around should be true; but since the $c$ above is a certain constant, I'm still (naively) hopeful that it could be true.










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    $newcommandEBbbE$For any constant $c$, $xmapsto max(x,c)$ is a convex function, so as you noted, Jensen's inequality gives us $E[max(X,c)]ge maxleft(E[X],cright)$.
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Let $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ be a "non-negative" random variable and $c$ is a "given" strictly positive number. I wonder if the following inequality holds:
$$
E[maxX,c] leq maxE[X],c,
$$

where $E[cdot]$ is the expectation.



I suspect from Jensen's inequality the other way around should be true; but since the $c$ above is a certain constant, I'm still (naively) hopeful that it could be true.










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Let $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ be a "non-negative" random variable and $c$ is a "given" strictly positive number. I wonder if the following inequality holds:
$$
E[maxX,c] leq maxE[X],c,
$$

where $E[cdot]$ is the expectation.



I suspect from Jensen's inequality the other way around should be true; but since the $c$ above is a certain constant, I'm still (naively) hopeful that it could be true.







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    $newcommandEBbbE$For any constant $c$, $xmapsto max(x,c)$ is a convex function, so as you noted, Jensen's inequality gives us $E[max(X,c)]ge maxleft(E[X],cright)$.
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    $newcommandEBbbE$For any constant $c$, $xmapsto max(x,c)$ is a convex function, so as you noted, Jensen's inequality gives us $E[max(X,c)]ge maxleft(E[X],cright)$.
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$newcommandEBbbE$For any constant $c$, $xmapsto max(x,c)$ is a convex function, so as you noted, Jensen's inequality gives us $E[max(X,c)]ge maxleft(E[X],cright)$.
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If $textmax(mathbbE[X], c) = c$, as $textmax(X,c) geq c$, we have



beginalign*
mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] &geq c \
&geq textmax(mathbbE[X],c)
endalign*



When $textmax(mathbbE[X],c) = mathbbE[X]$ then again as $textmax(X,c) geq X$ we have



beginalign*
mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] &geq mathbbE[X] \
&geq textmax(mathbbE[X],c)
endalign*



So that the inequality is actually the other way



$$
mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] geq textmax(mathbbE[X], c)
$$






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    How did you obtain "$c ge max(mathbbE[X], c)$"?
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    If you speak about the third line of my answer, I simply substituted $c$ by $textmax(mathbbE[X],c)$
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Similar to winperikle's answer, just tightening the arguments a bit:
$maxX, c geq X$ and $maxX, c geq c$. So, by taking expectation, $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq textE X$ and $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq c$. Combining, we get $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq max textE X, c$.



These arguments can be generalized to show that for a sequence of $mathcalL_1$ random variables $(X_n)_ngeq 1$, $textE left(sup_n geq 1 |X_n| right) geq sup_n geq 1 textE|X_n|$.






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    Let X be uniform in (0, 5) and c=2. Here you have a counterexample with each side of the inequality being 3.5 and 2.5






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      Thanks for your reply. But as $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ your counterexample could not be applied.
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    The inequality you have asserted is false: A simple counter-example is $X sim textBin(2,tfrac12)$ and $c=1$, which gives you the expectation:



    $$mathbbE(max(X,c)) = frac34 cdot 1 + frac14 cdot 2 = frac54.$$



    For this counter-example we have:



    $$frac54 = mathbbE(max(X,c)) > max(mathbbE(X),c) = 1.$$




    There is a related inequality that is true: Although the inequality you have asserted is false (or at least, not generally true), the following alternative inequality is true:



    $$mathbbE(max(X,c)) geqslant max(mathbbE(X), c).$$



    This inequality can easily be proven either for the discrete or continuous (or mixed) case. For a discrete random variable you have:



    $$beginequation beginaligned
    mathbbE(max(X,c))
    &= sum_x in mathscrX max(x,c) cdot p_X(x) \[8pt]
    &geqslant sum_x in mathscrX x cdot p_X(x) = mathbbE(X). \[8pt]
    endaligned endequation$$



    You also have:



    $$beginequation beginaligned
    mathbbE(max(X,c))
    &= sum_x in mathscrX max(x,c) cdot p_X(x) \[8pt]
    &geqslant sum_x in mathscrX c cdot p_X(x) = c. \[8pt]
    endaligned endequation$$



    Putting these together gives the inequality.






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      If $textmax(mathbbE[X], c) = c$, as $textmax(X,c) geq c$, we have



      beginalign*
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] &geq c \
      &geq textmax(mathbbE[X],c)
      endalign*



      When $textmax(mathbbE[X],c) = mathbbE[X]$ then again as $textmax(X,c) geq X$ we have



      beginalign*
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] &geq mathbbE[X] \
      &geq textmax(mathbbE[X],c)
      endalign*



      So that the inequality is actually the other way



      $$
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] geq textmax(mathbbE[X], c)
      $$






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        How did you obtain "$c ge max(mathbbE[X], c)$"?
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        If you speak about the third line of my answer, I simply substituted $c$ by $textmax(mathbbE[X],c)$
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        May 27 at 14:01










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      If $textmax(mathbbE[X], c) = c$, as $textmax(X,c) geq c$, we have



      beginalign*
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] &geq c \
      &geq textmax(mathbbE[X],c)
      endalign*



      When $textmax(mathbbE[X],c) = mathbbE[X]$ then again as $textmax(X,c) geq X$ we have



      beginalign*
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] &geq mathbbE[X] \
      &geq textmax(mathbbE[X],c)
      endalign*



      So that the inequality is actually the other way



      $$
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] geq textmax(mathbbE[X], c)
      $$






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      • $begingroup$
        If you speak about the third line of my answer, I simply substituted $c$ by $textmax(mathbbE[X],c)$
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        May 27 at 14:01










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      If $textmax(mathbbE[X], c) = c$, as $textmax(X,c) geq c$, we have



      beginalign*
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] &geq c \
      &geq textmax(mathbbE[X],c)
      endalign*



      When $textmax(mathbbE[X],c) = mathbbE[X]$ then again as $textmax(X,c) geq X$ we have



      beginalign*
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] &geq mathbbE[X] \
      &geq textmax(mathbbE[X],c)
      endalign*



      So that the inequality is actually the other way



      $$
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] geq textmax(mathbbE[X], c)
      $$






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      If $textmax(mathbbE[X], c) = c$, as $textmax(X,c) geq c$, we have



      beginalign*
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] &geq c \
      &geq textmax(mathbbE[X],c)
      endalign*



      When $textmax(mathbbE[X],c) = mathbbE[X]$ then again as $textmax(X,c) geq X$ we have



      beginalign*
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] &geq mathbbE[X] \
      &geq textmax(mathbbE[X],c)
      endalign*



      So that the inequality is actually the other way



      $$
      mathbbE[textmax(X,c)] geq textmax(mathbbE[X], c)
      $$







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        If you speak about the third line of my answer, I simply substituted $c$ by $textmax(mathbbE[X],c)$
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        If you speak about the third line of my answer, I simply substituted $c$ by $textmax(mathbbE[X],c)$
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      $begingroup$
      If you speak about the third line of my answer, I simply substituted $c$ by $textmax(mathbbE[X],c)$
      $endgroup$
      – winperikle
      May 27 at 14:01




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      If you speak about the third line of my answer, I simply substituted $c$ by $textmax(mathbbE[X],c)$
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      Similar to winperikle's answer, just tightening the arguments a bit:
      $maxX, c geq X$ and $maxX, c geq c$. So, by taking expectation, $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq textE X$ and $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq c$. Combining, we get $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq max textE X, c$.



      These arguments can be generalized to show that for a sequence of $mathcalL_1$ random variables $(X_n)_ngeq 1$, $textE left(sup_n geq 1 |X_n| right) geq sup_n geq 1 textE|X_n|$.






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        Similar to winperikle's answer, just tightening the arguments a bit:
        $maxX, c geq X$ and $maxX, c geq c$. So, by taking expectation, $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq textE X$ and $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq c$. Combining, we get $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq max textE X, c$.



        These arguments can be generalized to show that for a sequence of $mathcalL_1$ random variables $(X_n)_ngeq 1$, $textE left(sup_n geq 1 |X_n| right) geq sup_n geq 1 textE|X_n|$.






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          Similar to winperikle's answer, just tightening the arguments a bit:
          $maxX, c geq X$ and $maxX, c geq c$. So, by taking expectation, $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq textE X$ and $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq c$. Combining, we get $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq max textE X, c$.



          These arguments can be generalized to show that for a sequence of $mathcalL_1$ random variables $(X_n)_ngeq 1$, $textE left(sup_n geq 1 |X_n| right) geq sup_n geq 1 textE|X_n|$.






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          Similar to winperikle's answer, just tightening the arguments a bit:
          $maxX, c geq X$ and $maxX, c geq c$. So, by taking expectation, $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq textE X$ and $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq c$. Combining, we get $textEleft(maxX, cright) geq max textE X, c$.



          These arguments can be generalized to show that for a sequence of $mathcalL_1$ random variables $(X_n)_ngeq 1$, $textE left(sup_n geq 1 |X_n| right) geq sup_n geq 1 textE|X_n|$.







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              Let X be uniform in (0, 5) and c=2. Here you have a counterexample with each side of the inequality being 3.5 and 2.5






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                Thanks for your reply. But as $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ your counterexample could not be applied.
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                Oops! My bad! But you can take X uniform in (0,5) and c=2, leading to the same thing. Let's edit the answer
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                Thanks for your reply. But as $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ your counterexample could not be applied.
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              Let X be uniform in (0, 5) and c=2. Here you have a counterexample with each side of the inequality being 3.5 and 2.5






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                Thanks for your reply. But as $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ your counterexample could not be applied.
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                $begingroup$
                Oops! My bad! But you can take X uniform in (0,5) and c=2, leading to the same thing. Let's edit the answer
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              • $begingroup$
                Thanks for your reply. But as $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ your counterexample could not be applied.
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                May 27 at 13:05






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                $begingroup$
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              $begingroup$
              Thanks for your reply. But as $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ your counterexample could not be applied.
              $endgroup$
              – Navid Noroozi
              May 27 at 13:05




              $begingroup$
              Thanks for your reply. But as $X in mathbbR_geq 0$ your counterexample could not be applied.
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              May 27 at 13:05




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              Oops! My bad! But you can take X uniform in (0,5) and c=2, leading to the same thing. Let's edit the answer
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              – David
              May 27 at 13:21





              $begingroup$
              Oops! My bad! But you can take X uniform in (0,5) and c=2, leading to the same thing. Let's edit the answer
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              – David
              May 27 at 13:21












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              The inequality you have asserted is false: A simple counter-example is $X sim textBin(2,tfrac12)$ and $c=1$, which gives you the expectation:



              $$mathbbE(max(X,c)) = frac34 cdot 1 + frac14 cdot 2 = frac54.$$



              For this counter-example we have:



              $$frac54 = mathbbE(max(X,c)) > max(mathbbE(X),c) = 1.$$




              There is a related inequality that is true: Although the inequality you have asserted is false (or at least, not generally true), the following alternative inequality is true:



              $$mathbbE(max(X,c)) geqslant max(mathbbE(X), c).$$



              This inequality can easily be proven either for the discrete or continuous (or mixed) case. For a discrete random variable you have:



              $$beginequation beginaligned
              mathbbE(max(X,c))
              &= sum_x in mathscrX max(x,c) cdot p_X(x) \[8pt]
              &geqslant sum_x in mathscrX x cdot p_X(x) = mathbbE(X). \[8pt]
              endaligned endequation$$



              You also have:



              $$beginequation beginaligned
              mathbbE(max(X,c))
              &= sum_x in mathscrX max(x,c) cdot p_X(x) \[8pt]
              &geqslant sum_x in mathscrX c cdot p_X(x) = c. \[8pt]
              endaligned endequation$$



              Putting these together gives the inequality.






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                $begingroup$

                The inequality you have asserted is false: A simple counter-example is $X sim textBin(2,tfrac12)$ and $c=1$, which gives you the expectation:



                $$mathbbE(max(X,c)) = frac34 cdot 1 + frac14 cdot 2 = frac54.$$



                For this counter-example we have:



                $$frac54 = mathbbE(max(X,c)) > max(mathbbE(X),c) = 1.$$




                There is a related inequality that is true: Although the inequality you have asserted is false (or at least, not generally true), the following alternative inequality is true:



                $$mathbbE(max(X,c)) geqslant max(mathbbE(X), c).$$



                This inequality can easily be proven either for the discrete or continuous (or mixed) case. For a discrete random variable you have:



                $$beginequation beginaligned
                mathbbE(max(X,c))
                &= sum_x in mathscrX max(x,c) cdot p_X(x) \[8pt]
                &geqslant sum_x in mathscrX x cdot p_X(x) = mathbbE(X). \[8pt]
                endaligned endequation$$



                You also have:



                $$beginequation beginaligned
                mathbbE(max(X,c))
                &= sum_x in mathscrX max(x,c) cdot p_X(x) \[8pt]
                &geqslant sum_x in mathscrX c cdot p_X(x) = c. \[8pt]
                endaligned endequation$$



                Putting these together gives the inequality.






                share|cite|improve this answer









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                  $begingroup$

                  The inequality you have asserted is false: A simple counter-example is $X sim textBin(2,tfrac12)$ and $c=1$, which gives you the expectation:



                  $$mathbbE(max(X,c)) = frac34 cdot 1 + frac14 cdot 2 = frac54.$$



                  For this counter-example we have:



                  $$frac54 = mathbbE(max(X,c)) > max(mathbbE(X),c) = 1.$$




                  There is a related inequality that is true: Although the inequality you have asserted is false (or at least, not generally true), the following alternative inequality is true:



                  $$mathbbE(max(X,c)) geqslant max(mathbbE(X), c).$$



                  This inequality can easily be proven either for the discrete or continuous (or mixed) case. For a discrete random variable you have:



                  $$beginequation beginaligned
                  mathbbE(max(X,c))
                  &= sum_x in mathscrX max(x,c) cdot p_X(x) \[8pt]
                  &geqslant sum_x in mathscrX x cdot p_X(x) = mathbbE(X). \[8pt]
                  endaligned endequation$$



                  You also have:



                  $$beginequation beginaligned
                  mathbbE(max(X,c))
                  &= sum_x in mathscrX max(x,c) cdot p_X(x) \[8pt]
                  &geqslant sum_x in mathscrX c cdot p_X(x) = c. \[8pt]
                  endaligned endequation$$



                  Putting these together gives the inequality.






                  share|cite|improve this answer









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                  The inequality you have asserted is false: A simple counter-example is $X sim textBin(2,tfrac12)$ and $c=1$, which gives you the expectation:



                  $$mathbbE(max(X,c)) = frac34 cdot 1 + frac14 cdot 2 = frac54.$$



                  For this counter-example we have:



                  $$frac54 = mathbbE(max(X,c)) > max(mathbbE(X),c) = 1.$$




                  There is a related inequality that is true: Although the inequality you have asserted is false (or at least, not generally true), the following alternative inequality is true:



                  $$mathbbE(max(X,c)) geqslant max(mathbbE(X), c).$$



                  This inequality can easily be proven either for the discrete or continuous (or mixed) case. For a discrete random variable you have:



                  $$beginequation beginaligned
                  mathbbE(max(X,c))
                  &= sum_x in mathscrX max(x,c) cdot p_X(x) \[8pt]
                  &geqslant sum_x in mathscrX x cdot p_X(x) = mathbbE(X). \[8pt]
                  endaligned endequation$$



                  You also have:



                  $$beginequation beginaligned
                  mathbbE(max(X,c))
                  &= sum_x in mathscrX max(x,c) cdot p_X(x) \[8pt]
                  &geqslant sum_x in mathscrX c cdot p_X(x) = c. \[8pt]
                  endaligned endequation$$



                  Putting these together gives the inequality.







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