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Source of story about the Vilna Gaon and immigration policy
Source for Dubno Maggid's rebuke of the Vilna Gaon?Vilna Gaon on Sefer DevarimSpecific writings of the Vilna GaonSeder Plate According to the Vilna GaonSource for the story about the Satmar RebbeVilna Gaon on Yom HaAtzmaut?Vilna Gaon - Mitzvah Goreres MitzvahVilna Gaon: Tehillim's prophecy about Eisav and YishmaelThe source of the story of GR"A and lashesSource for a Chassidic story
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Internet Judaism gadfly Dov Bear related the following story about the Vilna Gaon on Facebook, saying he'd heard it somewhere, and asked if anyone knows a source for it.
The great Gaon of Vilna sat with voice but no vote on the Council of the Jews of Vilna. His task was to comment from a Torah perspective on new legislation proposed before the Council. When there was no such new legislation, he did not take part in the meeting.
One day a member of the Council put forward a proposal for greatly reducing the influx of Jews from poorer regions into Vilna, where they hoped for a better life. The Gaon rose to leave the meeting. "But Rabbi," said a Councilmember, "we need your comment on this proposed new legislation!"
"What new legislation?" said the Gaon. "This was already the law of Sodom, long ago!" And he left.
The proposal was dropped.
Is this story documented anywhere?
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Internet Judaism gadfly Dov Bear related the following story about the Vilna Gaon on Facebook, saying he'd heard it somewhere, and asked if anyone knows a source for it.
The great Gaon of Vilna sat with voice but no vote on the Council of the Jews of Vilna. His task was to comment from a Torah perspective on new legislation proposed before the Council. When there was no such new legislation, he did not take part in the meeting.
One day a member of the Council put forward a proposal for greatly reducing the influx of Jews from poorer regions into Vilna, where they hoped for a better life. The Gaon rose to leave the meeting. "But Rabbi," said a Councilmember, "we need your comment on this proposed new legislation!"
"What new legislation?" said the Gaon. "This was already the law of Sodom, long ago!" And he left.
The proposal was dropped.
Is this story documented anywhere?
vilna-gaon story-identification sodom-ammorah hasidic-story
asked Jul 15 at 13:13
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The following source puts the setting of the story in Berditchev, and the rabbi being Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev. books.google.co.il/…
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:21
@IsraelReader Post an answer!
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 13:22
I hardly consider it to be an answer. By the same token, it can be added to the question. The OP asked for a documented source, and this hardly fills this requirement. To add to the confusion, I've also remember reading a similar story regarding R' Yonason Eibeschitz or the Noda BeYehuda.
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:29
Is this on-topic?
– DonielF
Jul 15 at 14:52
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@DonielF I can't see why not. It's about a prominent rabbinic authority applying Torah precedent.
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 14:52
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Internet Judaism gadfly Dov Bear related the following story about the Vilna Gaon on Facebook, saying he'd heard it somewhere, and asked if anyone knows a source for it.
The great Gaon of Vilna sat with voice but no vote on the Council of the Jews of Vilna. His task was to comment from a Torah perspective on new legislation proposed before the Council. When there was no such new legislation, he did not take part in the meeting.
One day a member of the Council put forward a proposal for greatly reducing the influx of Jews from poorer regions into Vilna, where they hoped for a better life. The Gaon rose to leave the meeting. "But Rabbi," said a Councilmember, "we need your comment on this proposed new legislation!"
"What new legislation?" said the Gaon. "This was already the law of Sodom, long ago!" And he left.
The proposal was dropped.
Is this story documented anywhere?
vilna-gaon story-identification sodom-ammorah hasidic-story
asked Jul 15 at 13:13
Isaac Moses♦Isaac Moses
31.9k12 gold badges90 silver badges280 bronze badges
Internet Judaism gadfly Dov Bear related the following story about the Vilna Gaon on Facebook, saying he'd heard it somewhere, and asked if anyone knows a source for it.
The great Gaon of Vilna sat with voice but no vote on the Council of the Jews of Vilna. His task was to comment from a Torah perspective on new legislation proposed before the Council. When there was no such new legislation, he did not take part in the meeting.
One day a member of the Council put forward a proposal for greatly reducing the influx of Jews from poorer regions into Vilna, where they hoped for a better life. The Gaon rose to leave the meeting. "But Rabbi," said a Councilmember, "we need your comment on this proposed new legislation!"
"What new legislation?" said the Gaon. "This was already the law of Sodom, long ago!" And he left.
The proposal was dropped.
Is this story documented anywhere?
vilna-gaon story-identification sodom-ammorah hasidic-story
vilna-gaon story-identification sodom-ammorah hasidic-story
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The following source puts the setting of the story in Berditchev, and the rabbi being Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev. books.google.co.il/…
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:21
@IsraelReader Post an answer!
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 13:22
I hardly consider it to be an answer. By the same token, it can be added to the question. The OP asked for a documented source, and this hardly fills this requirement. To add to the confusion, I've also remember reading a similar story regarding R' Yonason Eibeschitz or the Noda BeYehuda.
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:29
Is this on-topic?
– DonielF
Jul 15 at 14:52
3
@DonielF I can't see why not. It's about a prominent rabbinic authority applying Torah precedent.
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 14:52
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show 2 more comments
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The following source puts the setting of the story in Berditchev, and the rabbi being Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev. books.google.co.il/…
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:21
@IsraelReader Post an answer!
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 13:22
I hardly consider it to be an answer. By the same token, it can be added to the question. The OP asked for a documented source, and this hardly fills this requirement. To add to the confusion, I've also remember reading a similar story regarding R' Yonason Eibeschitz or the Noda BeYehuda.
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:29
Is this on-topic?
– DonielF
Jul 15 at 14:52
3
@DonielF I can't see why not. It's about a prominent rabbinic authority applying Torah precedent.
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 14:52
4
4
The following source puts the setting of the story in Berditchev, and the rabbi being Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev. books.google.co.il/…
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:21
The following source puts the setting of the story in Berditchev, and the rabbi being Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev. books.google.co.il/…
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:21
@IsraelReader Post an answer!
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 13:22
@IsraelReader Post an answer!
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 13:22
I hardly consider it to be an answer. By the same token, it can be added to the question. The OP asked for a documented source, and this hardly fills this requirement. To add to the confusion, I've also remember reading a similar story regarding R' Yonason Eibeschitz or the Noda BeYehuda.
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:29
I hardly consider it to be an answer. By the same token, it can be added to the question. The OP asked for a documented source, and this hardly fills this requirement. To add to the confusion, I've also remember reading a similar story regarding R' Yonason Eibeschitz or the Noda BeYehuda.
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:29
Is this on-topic?
– DonielF
Jul 15 at 14:52
Is this on-topic?
– DonielF
Jul 15 at 14:52
3
3
@DonielF I can't see why not. It's about a prominent rabbinic authority applying Torah precedent.
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 14:52
@DonielF I can't see why not. It's about a prominent rabbinic authority applying Torah precedent.
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 14:52
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This sounds very similar to the story with R' Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, but that story is about Tzedakah, not immigration. (Which makes sense, because I don't think there was a restriction against immigrating to Sedom. After all, Lot did it, and was even appointed judge there).
Here's the story (Sippurei Chassidim link. I copied it from here)
When Reb Levi Yitzchak accepted the appointment of Rav of Berditchev, he
stipulated that the local lay leaders were not to burden him with attendance
at communal meetings, unless some new custom was to be ordained.
In due course they called a meeting which was to introduce a new
regulation: That paupers would be forbidden henceforth to knock on the
doors of householders; instead, they would be given a monthly grant from
the community chest. In anticipation of the new statute, they invited Reb
Levi Yitzchak and, at the meeting, proceeded to explain their proposition.
Reb Levi Yitzchak protested: "My brothers! Did we not agree that I was not
to be bothered with discussions over old regulations?"
"Begging your pardon, rabbi, this is a new piece of legislation!'
Reb Levi Yitzchak was not convinced: "There is nothing novel in your
proposal. In fact it has an ancient history, dating all the way back to Sodom
and Amora. They too had a statute forbidding people to give alms to the
needy... "
The proposal was removed from the agenda there and then.
answered Jul 15 at 14:43
MenachemMenachem
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The immigration aspect most likely comes from the fact that the people from Sodom were known to not welcome new comers to the city, as is mentioned by Rashi regarding Lot standing near the entrance to the city.
– ezra
Jul 16 at 3:57
Rav Moshe Feinstein actually begins the issue of Jewish Federations on this note, "let's assume it's a centralized tzedaka fund to which the poor can go; okay that's fine, but that doesn't preclude them from also approaching individuals." (He then acknowledges that today's federations often fund things we're not crazy about, but concludes as a matter of practicality that we have to support Federations regardless.)
– Shalom
Jul 16 at 8:54
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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This sounds very similar to the story with R' Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, but that story is about Tzedakah, not immigration. (Which makes sense, because I don't think there was a restriction against immigrating to Sedom. After all, Lot did it, and was even appointed judge there).
Here's the story (Sippurei Chassidim link. I copied it from here)
When Reb Levi Yitzchak accepted the appointment of Rav of Berditchev, he
stipulated that the local lay leaders were not to burden him with attendance
at communal meetings, unless some new custom was to be ordained.
In due course they called a meeting which was to introduce a new
regulation: That paupers would be forbidden henceforth to knock on the
doors of householders; instead, they would be given a monthly grant from
the community chest. In anticipation of the new statute, they invited Reb
Levi Yitzchak and, at the meeting, proceeded to explain their proposition.
Reb Levi Yitzchak protested: "My brothers! Did we not agree that I was not
to be bothered with discussions over old regulations?"
"Begging your pardon, rabbi, this is a new piece of legislation!'
Reb Levi Yitzchak was not convinced: "There is nothing novel in your
proposal. In fact it has an ancient history, dating all the way back to Sodom
and Amora. They too had a statute forbidding people to give alms to the
needy... "
The proposal was removed from the agenda there and then.
answered Jul 15 at 14:43
MenachemMenachem
35.1k6 gold badges109 silver badges196 bronze badges
The immigration aspect most likely comes from the fact that the people from Sodom were known to not welcome new comers to the city, as is mentioned by Rashi regarding Lot standing near the entrance to the city.
– ezra
Jul 16 at 3:57
Rav Moshe Feinstein actually begins the issue of Jewish Federations on this note, "let's assume it's a centralized tzedaka fund to which the poor can go; okay that's fine, but that doesn't preclude them from also approaching individuals." (He then acknowledges that today's federations often fund things we're not crazy about, but concludes as a matter of practicality that we have to support Federations regardless.)
– Shalom
Jul 16 at 8:54
add a comment |
This sounds very similar to the story with R' Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, but that story is about Tzedakah, not immigration. (Which makes sense, because I don't think there was a restriction against immigrating to Sedom. After all, Lot did it, and was even appointed judge there).
Here's the story (Sippurei Chassidim link. I copied it from here)
When Reb Levi Yitzchak accepted the appointment of Rav of Berditchev, he
stipulated that the local lay leaders were not to burden him with attendance
at communal meetings, unless some new custom was to be ordained.
In due course they called a meeting which was to introduce a new
regulation: That paupers would be forbidden henceforth to knock on the
doors of householders; instead, they would be given a monthly grant from
the community chest. In anticipation of the new statute, they invited Reb
Levi Yitzchak and, at the meeting, proceeded to explain their proposition.
Reb Levi Yitzchak protested: "My brothers! Did we not agree that I was not
to be bothered with discussions over old regulations?"
"Begging your pardon, rabbi, this is a new piece of legislation!'
Reb Levi Yitzchak was not convinced: "There is nothing novel in your
proposal. In fact it has an ancient history, dating all the way back to Sodom
and Amora. They too had a statute forbidding people to give alms to the
needy... "
The proposal was removed from the agenda there and then.
answered Jul 15 at 14:43
MenachemMenachem
35.1k6 gold badges109 silver badges196 bronze badges
The immigration aspect most likely comes from the fact that the people from Sodom were known to not welcome new comers to the city, as is mentioned by Rashi regarding Lot standing near the entrance to the city.
– ezra
Jul 16 at 3:57
Rav Moshe Feinstein actually begins the issue of Jewish Federations on this note, "let's assume it's a centralized tzedaka fund to which the poor can go; okay that's fine, but that doesn't preclude them from also approaching individuals." (He then acknowledges that today's federations often fund things we're not crazy about, but concludes as a matter of practicality that we have to support Federations regardless.)
– Shalom
Jul 16 at 8:54
add a comment |
This sounds very similar to the story with R' Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, but that story is about Tzedakah, not immigration. (Which makes sense, because I don't think there was a restriction against immigrating to Sedom. After all, Lot did it, and was even appointed judge there).
Here's the story (Sippurei Chassidim link. I copied it from here)
When Reb Levi Yitzchak accepted the appointment of Rav of Berditchev, he
stipulated that the local lay leaders were not to burden him with attendance
at communal meetings, unless some new custom was to be ordained.
In due course they called a meeting which was to introduce a new
regulation: That paupers would be forbidden henceforth to knock on the
doors of householders; instead, they would be given a monthly grant from
the community chest. In anticipation of the new statute, they invited Reb
Levi Yitzchak and, at the meeting, proceeded to explain their proposition.
Reb Levi Yitzchak protested: "My brothers! Did we not agree that I was not
to be bothered with discussions over old regulations?"
"Begging your pardon, rabbi, this is a new piece of legislation!'
Reb Levi Yitzchak was not convinced: "There is nothing novel in your
proposal. In fact it has an ancient history, dating all the way back to Sodom
and Amora. They too had a statute forbidding people to give alms to the
needy... "
The proposal was removed from the agenda there and then.
answered Jul 15 at 14:43
MenachemMenachem
35.1k6 gold badges109 silver badges196 bronze badges
This sounds very similar to the story with R' Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, but that story is about Tzedakah, not immigration. (Which makes sense, because I don't think there was a restriction against immigrating to Sedom. After all, Lot did it, and was even appointed judge there).
Here's the story (Sippurei Chassidim link. I copied it from here)
When Reb Levi Yitzchak accepted the appointment of Rav of Berditchev, he
stipulated that the local lay leaders were not to burden him with attendance
at communal meetings, unless some new custom was to be ordained.
In due course they called a meeting which was to introduce a new
regulation: That paupers would be forbidden henceforth to knock on the
doors of householders; instead, they would be given a monthly grant from
the community chest. In anticipation of the new statute, they invited Reb
Levi Yitzchak and, at the meeting, proceeded to explain their proposition.
Reb Levi Yitzchak protested: "My brothers! Did we not agree that I was not
to be bothered with discussions over old regulations?"
"Begging your pardon, rabbi, this is a new piece of legislation!'
Reb Levi Yitzchak was not convinced: "There is nothing novel in your
proposal. In fact it has an ancient history, dating all the way back to Sodom
and Amora. They too had a statute forbidding people to give alms to the
needy... "
The proposal was removed from the agenda there and then.
answered Jul 15 at 14:43
MenachemMenachem
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answered Jul 15 at 14:43
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answered Jul 15 at 14:43
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answered Jul 15 at 14:43
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The immigration aspect most likely comes from the fact that the people from Sodom were known to not welcome new comers to the city, as is mentioned by Rashi regarding Lot standing near the entrance to the city.
– ezra
Jul 16 at 3:57
Rav Moshe Feinstein actually begins the issue of Jewish Federations on this note, "let's assume it's a centralized tzedaka fund to which the poor can go; okay that's fine, but that doesn't preclude them from also approaching individuals." (He then acknowledges that today's federations often fund things we're not crazy about, but concludes as a matter of practicality that we have to support Federations regardless.)
– Shalom
Jul 16 at 8:54
add a comment |
The immigration aspect most likely comes from the fact that the people from Sodom were known to not welcome new comers to the city, as is mentioned by Rashi regarding Lot standing near the entrance to the city.
– ezra
Jul 16 at 3:57
Rav Moshe Feinstein actually begins the issue of Jewish Federations on this note, "let's assume it's a centralized tzedaka fund to which the poor can go; okay that's fine, but that doesn't preclude them from also approaching individuals." (He then acknowledges that today's federations often fund things we're not crazy about, but concludes as a matter of practicality that we have to support Federations regardless.)
– Shalom
Jul 16 at 8:54
The immigration aspect most likely comes from the fact that the people from Sodom were known to not welcome new comers to the city, as is mentioned by Rashi regarding Lot standing near the entrance to the city.
– ezra
Jul 16 at 3:57
The immigration aspect most likely comes from the fact that the people from Sodom were known to not welcome new comers to the city, as is mentioned by Rashi regarding Lot standing near the entrance to the city.
– ezra
Jul 16 at 3:57
Rav Moshe Feinstein actually begins the issue of Jewish Federations on this note, "let's assume it's a centralized tzedaka fund to which the poor can go; okay that's fine, but that doesn't preclude them from also approaching individuals." (He then acknowledges that today's federations often fund things we're not crazy about, but concludes as a matter of practicality that we have to support Federations regardless.)
– Shalom
Jul 16 at 8:54
Rav Moshe Feinstein actually begins the issue of Jewish Federations on this note, "let's assume it's a centralized tzedaka fund to which the poor can go; okay that's fine, but that doesn't preclude them from also approaching individuals." (He then acknowledges that today's federations often fund things we're not crazy about, but concludes as a matter of practicality that we have to support Federations regardless.)
– Shalom
Jul 16 at 8:54
add a comment |
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The following source puts the setting of the story in Berditchev, and the rabbi being Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev. books.google.co.il/…
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:21
@IsraelReader Post an answer!
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 13:22
I hardly consider it to be an answer. By the same token, it can be added to the question. The OP asked for a documented source, and this hardly fills this requirement. To add to the confusion, I've also remember reading a similar story regarding R' Yonason Eibeschitz or the Noda BeYehuda.
– IsraelReader
Jul 15 at 13:29
Is this on-topic?
– DonielF
Jul 15 at 14:52
3
@DonielF I can't see why not. It's about a prominent rabbinic authority applying Torah precedent.
– Isaac Moses♦
Jul 15 at 14:52