Why agni is known as jaatavedas? [duplicate]Jataveda and Kravyada forms of Agni, the vedic God of fireWhen did Krishna fight Varuna and Agni?Why did Agni serve as the priest for two kings?Why was Agni inside the mouth of the first king of Videha?Jataveda and Kravyada forms of Agni, the vedic God of fireWhy Agni is called 'twice born' in Rigveda?Is Adi Shankaracharya's Kena Upanishad Vakya Bhashya available in English?Is Agni and Vayu great because RigVeda eulogized them or are they not great because they're subject to ego in Kenopanishad?Is sannyasa a Vedic way of life? Is it recommended by the Vedas, the ten authentic Upanishads or Grhyasutras?How many verses are there in the Mukhya Upanishads?Why are Yama or Agni or Matarishvan not worshipped even though they are Forms of the Supreme God?

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Why agni is known as jaatavedas? [duplicate]


Jataveda and Kravyada forms of Agni, the vedic God of fireWhen did Krishna fight Varuna and Agni?Why did Agni serve as the priest for two kings?Why was Agni inside the mouth of the first king of Videha?Jataveda and Kravyada forms of Agni, the vedic God of fireWhy Agni is called 'twice born' in Rigveda?Is Adi Shankaracharya's Kena Upanishad Vakya Bhashya available in English?Is Agni and Vayu great because RigVeda eulogized them or are they not great because they're subject to ego in Kenopanishad?Is sannyasa a Vedic way of life? Is it recommended by the Vedas, the ten authentic Upanishads or Grhyasutras?How many verses are there in the Mukhya Upanishads?Why are Yama or Agni or Matarishvan not worshipped even though they are Forms of the Supreme God?






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tey agnim abruvan jaataveda etad vijaanihi kim etad yaksham iti
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Agni – Fire, is called jaatavedas – ‘the knower of the Vedas.’



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    tey agnim abruvan jaataveda etad vijaanihi kim etad yaksham iti
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    Agni – Fire, is called jaatavedas – ‘the knower of the Vedas.’



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      A shloka of Kena Upanishad says:




      tey agnim abruvan jaataveda etad vijaanihi kim etad yaksham iti
      tatheti




      Agni – Fire, is called jaatavedas – ‘the knower of the Vedas.’



      My question: Why is agni referred to as 'the knower of the Vedas'?










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      A shloka of Kena Upanishad says:




      tey agnim abruvan jaataveda etad vijaanihi kim etad yaksham iti
      tatheti




      Agni – Fire, is called jaatavedas – ‘the knower of the Vedas.’



      My question: Why is agni referred to as 'the knower of the Vedas'?





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          The verse you have quoted in question is




          तेऽग्निमब्रुवन् जातवेद एतद्विजानीहि किमेतद्यक्षमिति तथेति ॥ 16 ॥



          te'gnimabruvan jātaveda etadvijānīhi kimetadyakṣamiti tatheti || 16 ||
          They addressed the Fire thus “O Jataveda! Find out what this Great
          Spirit is.” He said “yes.”




          And the your translation is - the knower of the Vedas.



          Although it is somewhat right in vedic perspective as all knowing , when we consider Agni as Brahman himself. But here the meaning should be taken differently . I.e. repository of knowledge , or who is born for the sake of vedas etc. Lets see this in detail.




          The meaning of Jataveda and why Agni is called so is provided in Mahabharata - Sabha Parva - Digvijaya Parva - chapter 231 - Verse 42


          पावनात् पावकश्चासि वहनाद्भव्यवाहन : |
          वेदास्तवदर्थं जाता वै
          जातवेदास्ततो ह्यसि ||42 ||



          p. 64 The Veda have sprung for ministering unto thee, and, therefore,
          thou art called Jataveda.




          That means for whom the Vedas originated is said to be Jataveda. Here the meaning of word jata is -"who is born" . Vedaha - For Vedas.



          Here is Hindi translation of above verse.




          A different meanig of Jataveda is also stated in Section two - Verse no. 1 of Mahanarayana Upanishad - by Swami Vimalananda - Page 93 as follows .


          जातवेदसे सुनवाम सोममरातीयतो निद्हति वेद : | स न: पर्षदाति दुर्गाणि
          विश्वा नावेव सिन्धुं दुरितात्यग्नि ||1|



          May we offer oblations to soma to jata-vedas. May the all knowing one
          destroy what is unfriendly to us. May he , the divine fire that leads
          all , protect us by taking us across all perils even as a captain
          takes the boat across the sea. May he also saves us from all wrongs.




          In the notes given below the above verse Vimalananda explaning that




          Agni who is repository of knowledge. Jatavedas , interpreted
          physically as fire stands , stands for the all knowing divine reality
          that is worshiped within vedic rituals. The word veda and vedas in
          this stanza stand for one who knows everything i.e. the divine fire.




          I.e..Agni knows everything and hence called as Jataveda. Agni is One who know past, present and future and is called as Jataveda.






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            As Śaṅkarācārya explains in his commentary, the term simply means 'one who knows all that is created.'




            3.1.3 Te, they-those gods who failed to know, It, and were desirous of knowing It, but had fear in their hearts; abruvan, said; agnim, to Fire, (lit.) who goes ahead (of all); and who is jataveda, almost omniscient: [Agni precedes all other deities (agre gacchati) in receiving oblations at sacrifices; and Jataveda is one who knows (veda) all that is created (jata).] O jataveda, you being powerful among us; vijanihi, thoroughly find out about; etat, this Yaksa that is in our view; kim etat yaksam iti, as to what this Yaksa (venerable Being) is.




            Why Agni is known by that name is also explained in Rigveda VI.15.13:




            agnirhotā gṛhapatiḥ sa rājā viśvā veda janimā jātavedāḥ |

            devānāmuta yo martyānāṁ yajiṣṭhaḥ sa pra yajatāmṛtāvā || 6.015.13




            Book 6. HYMN XV. Agni.



            1. Agni, the Priest (Hotar), is King, Lord of the homestead, he, Jātavedas, knows all generations.

              Most skillful worshipper mid Gods and mortals, may he begin the sacrifice, the Holy.



            R. L. Kashayp translates the same verse as:




            6.15.13: Agni, the Priest of the invocation, is a king and the Master in our house (1). All the births he knows, he is the Knower of all things born (2). (He is) strong to sacrifice, to the gods and mortals (3), let him sacrifice; the Truth is in him (4).







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            The verse you have quoted in question is




            तेऽग्निमब्रुवन् जातवेद एतद्विजानीहि किमेतद्यक्षमिति तथेति ॥ 16 ॥



            te'gnimabruvan jātaveda etadvijānīhi kimetadyakṣamiti tatheti || 16 ||
            They addressed the Fire thus “O Jataveda! Find out what this Great
            Spirit is.” He said “yes.”




            And the your translation is - the knower of the Vedas.



            Although it is somewhat right in vedic perspective as all knowing , when we consider Agni as Brahman himself. But here the meaning should be taken differently . I.e. repository of knowledge , or who is born for the sake of vedas etc. Lets see this in detail.




            The meaning of Jataveda and why Agni is called so is provided in Mahabharata - Sabha Parva - Digvijaya Parva - chapter 231 - Verse 42


            पावनात् पावकश्चासि वहनाद्भव्यवाहन : |
            वेदास्तवदर्थं जाता वै
            जातवेदास्ततो ह्यसि ||42 ||



            p. 64 The Veda have sprung for ministering unto thee, and, therefore,
            thou art called Jataveda.




            That means for whom the Vedas originated is said to be Jataveda. Here the meaning of word jata is -"who is born" . Vedaha - For Vedas.



            Here is Hindi translation of above verse.




            A different meanig of Jataveda is also stated in Section two - Verse no. 1 of Mahanarayana Upanishad - by Swami Vimalananda - Page 93 as follows .


            जातवेदसे सुनवाम सोममरातीयतो निद्हति वेद : | स न: पर्षदाति दुर्गाणि
            विश्वा नावेव सिन्धुं दुरितात्यग्नि ||1|



            May we offer oblations to soma to jata-vedas. May the all knowing one
            destroy what is unfriendly to us. May he , the divine fire that leads
            all , protect us by taking us across all perils even as a captain
            takes the boat across the sea. May he also saves us from all wrongs.




            In the notes given below the above verse Vimalananda explaning that




            Agni who is repository of knowledge. Jatavedas , interpreted
            physically as fire stands , stands for the all knowing divine reality
            that is worshiped within vedic rituals. The word veda and vedas in
            this stanza stand for one who knows everything i.e. the divine fire.




            I.e..Agni knows everything and hence called as Jataveda. Agni is One who know past, present and future and is called as Jataveda.






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              The verse you have quoted in question is




              तेऽग्निमब्रुवन् जातवेद एतद्विजानीहि किमेतद्यक्षमिति तथेति ॥ 16 ॥



              te'gnimabruvan jātaveda etadvijānīhi kimetadyakṣamiti tatheti || 16 ||
              They addressed the Fire thus “O Jataveda! Find out what this Great
              Spirit is.” He said “yes.”




              And the your translation is - the knower of the Vedas.



              Although it is somewhat right in vedic perspective as all knowing , when we consider Agni as Brahman himself. But here the meaning should be taken differently . I.e. repository of knowledge , or who is born for the sake of vedas etc. Lets see this in detail.




              The meaning of Jataveda and why Agni is called so is provided in Mahabharata - Sabha Parva - Digvijaya Parva - chapter 231 - Verse 42


              पावनात् पावकश्चासि वहनाद्भव्यवाहन : |
              वेदास्तवदर्थं जाता वै
              जातवेदास्ततो ह्यसि ||42 ||



              p. 64 The Veda have sprung for ministering unto thee, and, therefore,
              thou art called Jataveda.




              That means for whom the Vedas originated is said to be Jataveda. Here the meaning of word jata is -"who is born" . Vedaha - For Vedas.



              Here is Hindi translation of above verse.




              A different meanig of Jataveda is also stated in Section two - Verse no. 1 of Mahanarayana Upanishad - by Swami Vimalananda - Page 93 as follows .


              जातवेदसे सुनवाम सोममरातीयतो निद्हति वेद : | स न: पर्षदाति दुर्गाणि
              विश्वा नावेव सिन्धुं दुरितात्यग्नि ||1|



              May we offer oblations to soma to jata-vedas. May the all knowing one
              destroy what is unfriendly to us. May he , the divine fire that leads
              all , protect us by taking us across all perils even as a captain
              takes the boat across the sea. May he also saves us from all wrongs.




              In the notes given below the above verse Vimalananda explaning that




              Agni who is repository of knowledge. Jatavedas , interpreted
              physically as fire stands , stands for the all knowing divine reality
              that is worshiped within vedic rituals. The word veda and vedas in
              this stanza stand for one who knows everything i.e. the divine fire.




              I.e..Agni knows everything and hence called as Jataveda. Agni is One who know past, present and future and is called as Jataveda.






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                The verse you have quoted in question is




                तेऽग्निमब्रुवन् जातवेद एतद्विजानीहि किमेतद्यक्षमिति तथेति ॥ 16 ॥



                te'gnimabruvan jātaveda etadvijānīhi kimetadyakṣamiti tatheti || 16 ||
                They addressed the Fire thus “O Jataveda! Find out what this Great
                Spirit is.” He said “yes.”




                And the your translation is - the knower of the Vedas.



                Although it is somewhat right in vedic perspective as all knowing , when we consider Agni as Brahman himself. But here the meaning should be taken differently . I.e. repository of knowledge , or who is born for the sake of vedas etc. Lets see this in detail.




                The meaning of Jataveda and why Agni is called so is provided in Mahabharata - Sabha Parva - Digvijaya Parva - chapter 231 - Verse 42


                पावनात् पावकश्चासि वहनाद्भव्यवाहन : |
                वेदास्तवदर्थं जाता वै
                जातवेदास्ततो ह्यसि ||42 ||



                p. 64 The Veda have sprung for ministering unto thee, and, therefore,
                thou art called Jataveda.




                That means for whom the Vedas originated is said to be Jataveda. Here the meaning of word jata is -"who is born" . Vedaha - For Vedas.



                Here is Hindi translation of above verse.




                A different meanig of Jataveda is also stated in Section two - Verse no. 1 of Mahanarayana Upanishad - by Swami Vimalananda - Page 93 as follows .


                जातवेदसे सुनवाम सोममरातीयतो निद्हति वेद : | स न: पर्षदाति दुर्गाणि
                विश्वा नावेव सिन्धुं दुरितात्यग्नि ||1|



                May we offer oblations to soma to jata-vedas. May the all knowing one
                destroy what is unfriendly to us. May he , the divine fire that leads
                all , protect us by taking us across all perils even as a captain
                takes the boat across the sea. May he also saves us from all wrongs.




                In the notes given below the above verse Vimalananda explaning that




                Agni who is repository of knowledge. Jatavedas , interpreted
                physically as fire stands , stands for the all knowing divine reality
                that is worshiped within vedic rituals. The word veda and vedas in
                this stanza stand for one who knows everything i.e. the divine fire.




                I.e..Agni knows everything and hence called as Jataveda. Agni is One who know past, present and future and is called as Jataveda.






                share|improve this answer













                The verse you have quoted in question is




                तेऽग्निमब्रुवन् जातवेद एतद्विजानीहि किमेतद्यक्षमिति तथेति ॥ 16 ॥



                te'gnimabruvan jātaveda etadvijānīhi kimetadyakṣamiti tatheti || 16 ||
                They addressed the Fire thus “O Jataveda! Find out what this Great
                Spirit is.” He said “yes.”




                And the your translation is - the knower of the Vedas.



                Although it is somewhat right in vedic perspective as all knowing , when we consider Agni as Brahman himself. But here the meaning should be taken differently . I.e. repository of knowledge , or who is born for the sake of vedas etc. Lets see this in detail.




                The meaning of Jataveda and why Agni is called so is provided in Mahabharata - Sabha Parva - Digvijaya Parva - chapter 231 - Verse 42


                पावनात् पावकश्चासि वहनाद्भव्यवाहन : |
                वेदास्तवदर्थं जाता वै
                जातवेदास्ततो ह्यसि ||42 ||



                p. 64 The Veda have sprung for ministering unto thee, and, therefore,
                thou art called Jataveda.




                That means for whom the Vedas originated is said to be Jataveda. Here the meaning of word jata is -"who is born" . Vedaha - For Vedas.



                Here is Hindi translation of above verse.




                A different meanig of Jataveda is also stated in Section two - Verse no. 1 of Mahanarayana Upanishad - by Swami Vimalananda - Page 93 as follows .


                जातवेदसे सुनवाम सोममरातीयतो निद्हति वेद : | स न: पर्षदाति दुर्गाणि
                विश्वा नावेव सिन्धुं दुरितात्यग्नि ||1|



                May we offer oblations to soma to jata-vedas. May the all knowing one
                destroy what is unfriendly to us. May he , the divine fire that leads
                all , protect us by taking us across all perils even as a captain
                takes the boat across the sea. May he also saves us from all wrongs.




                In the notes given below the above verse Vimalananda explaning that




                Agni who is repository of knowledge. Jatavedas , interpreted
                physically as fire stands , stands for the all knowing divine reality
                that is worshiped within vedic rituals. The word veda and vedas in
                this stanza stand for one who knows everything i.e. the divine fire.




                I.e..Agni knows everything and hence called as Jataveda. Agni is One who know past, present and future and is called as Jataveda.







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                    As Śaṅkarācārya explains in his commentary, the term simply means 'one who knows all that is created.'




                    3.1.3 Te, they-those gods who failed to know, It, and were desirous of knowing It, but had fear in their hearts; abruvan, said; agnim, to Fire, (lit.) who goes ahead (of all); and who is jataveda, almost omniscient: [Agni precedes all other deities (agre gacchati) in receiving oblations at sacrifices; and Jataveda is one who knows (veda) all that is created (jata).] O jataveda, you being powerful among us; vijanihi, thoroughly find out about; etat, this Yaksa that is in our view; kim etat yaksam iti, as to what this Yaksa (venerable Being) is.




                    Why Agni is known by that name is also explained in Rigveda VI.15.13:




                    agnirhotā gṛhapatiḥ sa rājā viśvā veda janimā jātavedāḥ |

                    devānāmuta yo martyānāṁ yajiṣṭhaḥ sa pra yajatāmṛtāvā || 6.015.13




                    Book 6. HYMN XV. Agni.



                    1. Agni, the Priest (Hotar), is King, Lord of the homestead, he, Jātavedas, knows all generations.

                      Most skillful worshipper mid Gods and mortals, may he begin the sacrifice, the Holy.



                    R. L. Kashayp translates the same verse as:




                    6.15.13: Agni, the Priest of the invocation, is a king and the Master in our house (1). All the births he knows, he is the Knower of all things born (2). (He is) strong to sacrifice, to the gods and mortals (3), let him sacrifice; the Truth is in him (4).







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                    • After voting to close the question you've answered it yourself. I'm surprised that no one has complained about it yet :D

                      – Rickross
                      Jun 25 at 11:54












                    • I realized there's a dup. halfway thru my answer but posted it anyway :) @Rickross

                      – sv.
                      Jun 25 at 18:30















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                    As Śaṅkarācārya explains in his commentary, the term simply means 'one who knows all that is created.'




                    3.1.3 Te, they-those gods who failed to know, It, and were desirous of knowing It, but had fear in their hearts; abruvan, said; agnim, to Fire, (lit.) who goes ahead (of all); and who is jataveda, almost omniscient: [Agni precedes all other deities (agre gacchati) in receiving oblations at sacrifices; and Jataveda is one who knows (veda) all that is created (jata).] O jataveda, you being powerful among us; vijanihi, thoroughly find out about; etat, this Yaksa that is in our view; kim etat yaksam iti, as to what this Yaksa (venerable Being) is.




                    Why Agni is known by that name is also explained in Rigveda VI.15.13:




                    agnirhotā gṛhapatiḥ sa rājā viśvā veda janimā jātavedāḥ |

                    devānāmuta yo martyānāṁ yajiṣṭhaḥ sa pra yajatāmṛtāvā || 6.015.13




                    Book 6. HYMN XV. Agni.



                    1. Agni, the Priest (Hotar), is King, Lord of the homestead, he, Jātavedas, knows all generations.

                      Most skillful worshipper mid Gods and mortals, may he begin the sacrifice, the Holy.



                    R. L. Kashayp translates the same verse as:




                    6.15.13: Agni, the Priest of the invocation, is a king and the Master in our house (1). All the births he knows, he is the Knower of all things born (2). (He is) strong to sacrifice, to the gods and mortals (3), let him sacrifice; the Truth is in him (4).







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                    • After voting to close the question you've answered it yourself. I'm surprised that no one has complained about it yet :D

                      – Rickross
                      Jun 25 at 11:54












                    • I realized there's a dup. halfway thru my answer but posted it anyway :) @Rickross

                      – sv.
                      Jun 25 at 18:30













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                    As Śaṅkarācārya explains in his commentary, the term simply means 'one who knows all that is created.'




                    3.1.3 Te, they-those gods who failed to know, It, and were desirous of knowing It, but had fear in their hearts; abruvan, said; agnim, to Fire, (lit.) who goes ahead (of all); and who is jataveda, almost omniscient: [Agni precedes all other deities (agre gacchati) in receiving oblations at sacrifices; and Jataveda is one who knows (veda) all that is created (jata).] O jataveda, you being powerful among us; vijanihi, thoroughly find out about; etat, this Yaksa that is in our view; kim etat yaksam iti, as to what this Yaksa (venerable Being) is.




                    Why Agni is known by that name is also explained in Rigveda VI.15.13:




                    agnirhotā gṛhapatiḥ sa rājā viśvā veda janimā jātavedāḥ |

                    devānāmuta yo martyānāṁ yajiṣṭhaḥ sa pra yajatāmṛtāvā || 6.015.13




                    Book 6. HYMN XV. Agni.



                    1. Agni, the Priest (Hotar), is King, Lord of the homestead, he, Jātavedas, knows all generations.

                      Most skillful worshipper mid Gods and mortals, may he begin the sacrifice, the Holy.



                    R. L. Kashayp translates the same verse as:




                    6.15.13: Agni, the Priest of the invocation, is a king and the Master in our house (1). All the births he knows, he is the Knower of all things born (2). (He is) strong to sacrifice, to the gods and mortals (3), let him sacrifice; the Truth is in him (4).







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                    As Śaṅkarācārya explains in his commentary, the term simply means 'one who knows all that is created.'




                    3.1.3 Te, they-those gods who failed to know, It, and were desirous of knowing It, but had fear in their hearts; abruvan, said; agnim, to Fire, (lit.) who goes ahead (of all); and who is jataveda, almost omniscient: [Agni precedes all other deities (agre gacchati) in receiving oblations at sacrifices; and Jataveda is one who knows (veda) all that is created (jata).] O jataveda, you being powerful among us; vijanihi, thoroughly find out about; etat, this Yaksa that is in our view; kim etat yaksam iti, as to what this Yaksa (venerable Being) is.




                    Why Agni is known by that name is also explained in Rigveda VI.15.13:




                    agnirhotā gṛhapatiḥ sa rājā viśvā veda janimā jātavedāḥ |

                    devānāmuta yo martyānāṁ yajiṣṭhaḥ sa pra yajatāmṛtāvā || 6.015.13




                    Book 6. HYMN XV. Agni.



                    1. Agni, the Priest (Hotar), is King, Lord of the homestead, he, Jātavedas, knows all generations.

                      Most skillful worshipper mid Gods and mortals, may he begin the sacrifice, the Holy.



                    R. L. Kashayp translates the same verse as:




                    6.15.13: Agni, the Priest of the invocation, is a king and the Master in our house (1). All the births he knows, he is the Knower of all things born (2). (He is) strong to sacrifice, to the gods and mortals (3), let him sacrifice; the Truth is in him (4).








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                    • After voting to close the question you've answered it yourself. I'm surprised that no one has complained about it yet :D

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                    • I realized there's a dup. halfway thru my answer but posted it anyway :) @Rickross

                      – sv.
                      Jun 25 at 18:30

















                    • After voting to close the question you've answered it yourself. I'm surprised that no one has complained about it yet :D

                      – Rickross
                      Jun 25 at 11:54












                    • I realized there's a dup. halfway thru my answer but posted it anyway :) @Rickross

                      – sv.
                      Jun 25 at 18:30
















                    After voting to close the question you've answered it yourself. I'm surprised that no one has complained about it yet :D

                    – Rickross
                    Jun 25 at 11:54






                    After voting to close the question you've answered it yourself. I'm surprised that no one has complained about it yet :D

                    – Rickross
                    Jun 25 at 11:54














                    I realized there's a dup. halfway thru my answer but posted it anyway :) @Rickross

                    – sv.
                    Jun 25 at 18:30





                    I realized there's a dup. halfway thru my answer but posted it anyway :) @Rickross

                    – sv.
                    Jun 25 at 18:30



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