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Question about Actions vs Bonus Actions, vs Reactions:
In a game I was DMing recently, the cleric had 2 ghouls on him. He took his reaction to dodge the attacks of the ghouls, and on his turn, he took his action to try to use turn undead, then used his bonus action to dash from the ghouls. If he was able to do this, that was some pretty smart use of all of his actions, but I thought it seemed like using a reaction to keep dodging every attack that comes near you would make you really strong in combat.
Can you even use disengage as a bonus action, or maybe even dodge?
From what I've read, you could only use Dodge or Disengage as an action, unless you had some class feature that worked otherwise. He argues, though, that dodging is a bonus action, and thus he is able to do it.
Sorry that there's a lot to cover, but anything would really help me with this before my next game comes up.
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Question about Actions vs Bonus Actions, vs Reactions:
In a game I was DMing recently, the cleric had 2 ghouls on him. He took his reaction to dodge the attacks of the ghouls, and on his turn, he took his action to try to use turn undead, then used his bonus action to dash from the ghouls. If he was able to do this, that was some pretty smart use of all of his actions, but I thought it seemed like using a reaction to keep dodging every attack that comes near you would make you really strong in combat.
Can you even use disengage as a bonus action, or maybe even dodge?
From what I've read, you could only use Dodge or Disengage as an action, unless you had some class feature that worked otherwise. He argues, though, that dodging is a bonus action, and thus he is able to do it.
Sorry that there's a lot to cover, but anything would really help me with this before my next game comes up.
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Just to be extra clear, when you say "dodge" in the question you are referring to the Dodge action, correct? Did they ever say how they were doing that as a reaction?
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I wonder if the player is conflating 5e mechanics with those of a different edition or game. Several players in my group, for example, took many sessions to un-learn 3.5/pathfinder mechanics.
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Question about Actions vs Bonus Actions, vs Reactions:
In a game I was DMing recently, the cleric had 2 ghouls on him. He took his reaction to dodge the attacks of the ghouls, and on his turn, he took his action to try to use turn undead, then used his bonus action to dash from the ghouls. If he was able to do this, that was some pretty smart use of all of his actions, but I thought it seemed like using a reaction to keep dodging every attack that comes near you would make you really strong in combat.
Can you even use disengage as a bonus action, or maybe even dodge?
From what I've read, you could only use Dodge or Disengage as an action, unless you had some class feature that worked otherwise. He argues, though, that dodging is a bonus action, and thus he is able to do it.
Sorry that there's a lot to cover, but anything would really help me with this before my next game comes up.
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Question about Actions vs Bonus Actions, vs Reactions:
In a game I was DMing recently, the cleric had 2 ghouls on him. He took his reaction to dodge the attacks of the ghouls, and on his turn, he took his action to try to use turn undead, then used his bonus action to dash from the ghouls. If he was able to do this, that was some pretty smart use of all of his actions, but I thought it seemed like using a reaction to keep dodging every attack that comes near you would make you really strong in combat.
Can you even use disengage as a bonus action, or maybe even dodge?
From what I've read, you could only use Dodge or Disengage as an action, unless you had some class feature that worked otherwise. He argues, though, that dodging is a bonus action, and thus he is able to do it.
Sorry that there's a lot to cover, but anything would really help me with this before my next game comes up.
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Just to be extra clear, when you say "dodge" in the question you are referring to the Dodge action, correct? Did they ever say how they were doing that as a reaction?
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What level and domain is this Cleric? Have they possibly multiclassed into Rogue? And how did they "dodge" on their reaction?
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I wonder if the player is conflating 5e mechanics with those of a different edition or game. Several players in my group, for example, took many sessions to un-learn 3.5/pathfinder mechanics.
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Just to be extra clear, when you say "dodge" in the question you are referring to the Dodge action, correct? Did they ever say how they were doing that as a reaction?
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What level and domain is this Cleric? Have they possibly multiclassed into Rogue? And how did they "dodge" on their reaction?
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Also, what race is the Cleric?
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I wonder if the player is conflating 5e mechanics with those of a different edition or game. Several players in my group, for example, took many sessions to un-learn 3.5/pathfinder mechanics.
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Just to be extra clear, when you say "dodge" in the question you are referring to the Dodge action, correct? Did they ever say how they were doing that as a reaction?
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Just to be extra clear, when you say "dodge" in the question you are referring to the Dodge action, correct? Did they ever say how they were doing that as a reaction?
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– Rubiksmoose
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What level and domain is this Cleric? Have they possibly multiclassed into Rogue? And how did they "dodge" on their reaction?
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What level and domain is this Cleric? Have they possibly multiclassed into Rogue? And how did they "dodge" on their reaction?
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I wonder if the player is conflating 5e mechanics with those of a different edition or game. Several players in my group, for example, took many sessions to un-learn 3.5/pathfinder mechanics.
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I wonder if the player is conflating 5e mechanics with those of a different edition or game. Several players in my group, for example, took many sessions to un-learn 3.5/pathfinder mechanics.
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The Dodge and Disengage actions are primarily considered as an option to take as your primary Action (PHB p.192):
Dodge
When you take the Dodge action, you focus entirely on avoiding attacks. Until the start of your next turn, any attack roll made against you has disadvantage if you can see the attacker, and you make Dexterity saving throws with advantage.
Disengage
If you take the Disengage action, your movement doesn't provoke opportunity attacks for the rest of the turn.
There are some classes however, that allow you to "Dodge", but these class features aren't the same as the Dodge action. For example, the Rogue's Uncanny Dodge feature halves damage, as a reaction (PHB p.96):
Starting at 5th level, when an attacker that you can see hits you with an attack, you can use your reaction to halve the attack's damage against you.
The Monk does gain a feature to allow them to Dodge as a bonus action, at the cost of a Ki Point (PHB p.78):
Patient Defense
You can spend 1 ki point to take the Dodge action as a bonus action on your turn
And then a feature similar to the Rogue's Uncanny Dodge (PHB p.78):
Starting at 3rd level, you can use your reaction to deflect or catch the missile when you are hit by a ranged weapon attack.
Outside of this, there is very little that allows a player to make these actions as a reaction, or a bonus action.
The only other suggestion I might make is that Matt Mercer's Critical Role series allowed players to use their Bonus Action as "another Action", to basically make things more cinematic. This was generally a spur of the moment decision to keep things moving, rather than to stop the game and check the rules, however.
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Also Mercer did not allow player to "use their Bonus Action as 'another Action'". He just rolls with "rules of cool" a lot and doesn't take awesome moments away from players on technicalities. He sometimes lets it slide if they didn't do a lot with their turn anyway. But most of the time he will enforce it.
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@linksassin campaign 1 at least did include a houserule that characters could drink potions as a bonus action, and relaxed restrictions on bonus action spellcasting in conjunction with regular-action spellcasting.
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@Carcer Matt has since adjusted the spellcasting thing; he uses the usual rule whereby if you cast a non-cantrip spell as a BA, then spells cast with an Action must be cantrips, but he offers a homebrew feat that allows you to relax the restriction; iirc it changes that "must be cantrips" part to "must be second level or lower". The drink-potion-as-bonus-action rule is still in effect, I believe, but it's a full action to feed a potion to someone else.
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There are some races that also allow bonus actions to disengage (like the goblin).
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Let's refer to this handy chart.
Dash (PHB 192), Disengage (PHB 192), Dodge (PHB 192), Ready (PHB 193), and Cast a Spell (PHB 192) are all Actions. You get to use one of those per turn during ordinary cases. Note that Turn Undead is an Action.
The only Reactions possible are an Opportunity Attack (PHB 195), a Readied Action (PHB 193, must have used Ready on their most recent turn), or a Cast (PHB 192) spell that has a casting time of a Reaction. You get at most one of these a round (so, it is refreshed only when their initiative comes up).
Bonus Actions can be an Offhand Attack (PHB 192,194-195), when using the Two-Weapon Fighting rule, a Cast (PHB 192) spell that has a casting time of one Bonus Action, or a Class Feature (PHB, see specific Class Features) with a time of Bonus Action. You get one Bonus Action per turn.
So, given this information, it appears that your intrepid Cleric took three Actions in a single turn. Short of any Class Feature or Racial Feature that might provide an explanation for this, this was definitely an abuse of the action economy.
To be sure though, check to see if they're using a particular Race, Feat, or Class Feature that might have allowed this action economy. I'm not aware of any such items that would match this, since action economy is tightly regulated to avoid the sort of balance problems you witnessed in that encounter.
The Cleric could probably still have won, but it would be a lot more challenging. Turn Undead on one, hopefully kill the other within 10 rounds, do some healing, if possible, then deal with the other. Or, use every single Action to Dash in the opposite direction to safety, whatever that might mean.
It'd be worth your time to reread the rules and refresh your memory, and maybe even find a handy chart like the one I've linked for moments like this. Also, whenever a player does something that seems genuinely Too Good To Be True, it never hurts to double-check the rules, just in case.
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Dodge, Dash and Disengage
In the rules, these are all just actions; you can only do one of these or an attack as your action. Bonus actions only let you do things explicitly listed as bonus actions (e.g. an offhand attack, or many classes have a "small" ability that counts as a bonus action).
Rogues have the Cunning Action feature which lets them take Dash, Disengage or Hide as a bonus action.
Reactions
Likewise, you can only do things explicitly listed as a reaction, such as an opportunity attack if a creature retreats from you.
From fifth level Rogues have an Uncanny Dodge ability, different to the Dodge action, which is a reaction that halves damage from a single attack.
Rogues
It sounds like either the player, or you, may have been thinking of rogues, possibly because they saw a rogue character do these in a different game and didn't realise they weren't standard abilities any character could do.
What to do
If everyone is still learning the rules, I wouldn't try to unwind what happened last session, but I'd check over the rules for a turn having movement, action, and possibly a bonus action, and having one reaction in a round, and what characters can do with them.
Probably the player was just confused or optimistic, and you can clarify things if it comes up again.
If it comes up a lot, it's possible the player would like to be playing a rogue, possibly as a multiclass, and you might want to talk it over with them.
If the player seems to make these mistakes in their favour a lot, they may be prone to trying it on even when they know they shouldn't get something. It's good to give players a bit of give when they have a cool idea, but don't let one player get away with more just because they ask more.
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@JPChapleau: See this meta on the standardization of English; other than game terms that have a specific spelling, we should not change British spellings of words to US spellings, or vice versa. In addition, multiclassing is not hyphenated in the rules. (And "actions" is not capitalized either.)
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The Dodge and Disengage actions are primarily considered as an option to take as your primary Action (PHB p.192):
Dodge
When you take the Dodge action, you focus entirely on avoiding attacks. Until the start of your next turn, any attack roll made against you has disadvantage if you can see the attacker, and you make Dexterity saving throws with advantage.
Disengage
If you take the Disengage action, your movement doesn't provoke opportunity attacks for the rest of the turn.
There are some classes however, that allow you to "Dodge", but these class features aren't the same as the Dodge action. For example, the Rogue's Uncanny Dodge feature halves damage, as a reaction (PHB p.96):
Starting at 5th level, when an attacker that you can see hits you with an attack, you can use your reaction to halve the attack's damage against you.
The Monk does gain a feature to allow them to Dodge as a bonus action, at the cost of a Ki Point (PHB p.78):
Patient Defense
You can spend 1 ki point to take the Dodge action as a bonus action on your turn
And then a feature similar to the Rogue's Uncanny Dodge (PHB p.78):
Starting at 3rd level, you can use your reaction to deflect or catch the missile when you are hit by a ranged weapon attack.
Outside of this, there is very little that allows a player to make these actions as a reaction, or a bonus action.
The only other suggestion I might make is that Matt Mercer's Critical Role series allowed players to use their Bonus Action as "another Action", to basically make things more cinematic. This was generally a spur of the moment decision to keep things moving, rather than to stop the game and check the rules, however.
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Also Mercer did not allow player to "use their Bonus Action as 'another Action'". He just rolls with "rules of cool" a lot and doesn't take awesome moments away from players on technicalities. He sometimes lets it slide if they didn't do a lot with their turn anyway. But most of the time he will enforce it.
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– linksassin
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@linksassin campaign 1 at least did include a houserule that characters could drink potions as a bonus action, and relaxed restrictions on bonus action spellcasting in conjunction with regular-action spellcasting.
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@Carcer Matt has since adjusted the spellcasting thing; he uses the usual rule whereby if you cast a non-cantrip spell as a BA, then spells cast with an Action must be cantrips, but he offers a homebrew feat that allows you to relax the restriction; iirc it changes that "must be cantrips" part to "must be second level or lower". The drink-potion-as-bonus-action rule is still in effect, I believe, but it's a full action to feed a potion to someone else.
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There are some races that also allow bonus actions to disengage (like the goblin).
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– NautArch
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The Dodge and Disengage actions are primarily considered as an option to take as your primary Action (PHB p.192):
Dodge
When you take the Dodge action, you focus entirely on avoiding attacks. Until the start of your next turn, any attack roll made against you has disadvantage if you can see the attacker, and you make Dexterity saving throws with advantage.
Disengage
If you take the Disengage action, your movement doesn't provoke opportunity attacks for the rest of the turn.
There are some classes however, that allow you to "Dodge", but these class features aren't the same as the Dodge action. For example, the Rogue's Uncanny Dodge feature halves damage, as a reaction (PHB p.96):
Starting at 5th level, when an attacker that you can see hits you with an attack, you can use your reaction to halve the attack's damage against you.
The Monk does gain a feature to allow them to Dodge as a bonus action, at the cost of a Ki Point (PHB p.78):
Patient Defense
You can spend 1 ki point to take the Dodge action as a bonus action on your turn
And then a feature similar to the Rogue's Uncanny Dodge (PHB p.78):
Starting at 3rd level, you can use your reaction to deflect or catch the missile when you are hit by a ranged weapon attack.
Outside of this, there is very little that allows a player to make these actions as a reaction, or a bonus action.
The only other suggestion I might make is that Matt Mercer's Critical Role series allowed players to use their Bonus Action as "another Action", to basically make things more cinematic. This was generally a spur of the moment decision to keep things moving, rather than to stop the game and check the rules, however.
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Also Mercer did not allow player to "use their Bonus Action as 'another Action'". He just rolls with "rules of cool" a lot and doesn't take awesome moments away from players on technicalities. He sometimes lets it slide if they didn't do a lot with their turn anyway. But most of the time he will enforce it.
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– linksassin
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@linksassin campaign 1 at least did include a houserule that characters could drink potions as a bonus action, and relaxed restrictions on bonus action spellcasting in conjunction with regular-action spellcasting.
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– Carcer
May 15 at 8:56
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@Carcer Matt has since adjusted the spellcasting thing; he uses the usual rule whereby if you cast a non-cantrip spell as a BA, then spells cast with an Action must be cantrips, but he offers a homebrew feat that allows you to relax the restriction; iirc it changes that "must be cantrips" part to "must be second level or lower". The drink-potion-as-bonus-action rule is still in effect, I believe, but it's a full action to feed a potion to someone else.
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– anaximander
May 15 at 10:32
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There are some races that also allow bonus actions to disengage (like the goblin).
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– NautArch
May 15 at 13:30
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The Dodge and Disengage actions are primarily considered as an option to take as your primary Action (PHB p.192):
Dodge
When you take the Dodge action, you focus entirely on avoiding attacks. Until the start of your next turn, any attack roll made against you has disadvantage if you can see the attacker, and you make Dexterity saving throws with advantage.
Disengage
If you take the Disengage action, your movement doesn't provoke opportunity attacks for the rest of the turn.
There are some classes however, that allow you to "Dodge", but these class features aren't the same as the Dodge action. For example, the Rogue's Uncanny Dodge feature halves damage, as a reaction (PHB p.96):
Starting at 5th level, when an attacker that you can see hits you with an attack, you can use your reaction to halve the attack's damage against you.
The Monk does gain a feature to allow them to Dodge as a bonus action, at the cost of a Ki Point (PHB p.78):
Patient Defense
You can spend 1 ki point to take the Dodge action as a bonus action on your turn
And then a feature similar to the Rogue's Uncanny Dodge (PHB p.78):
Starting at 3rd level, you can use your reaction to deflect or catch the missile when you are hit by a ranged weapon attack.
Outside of this, there is very little that allows a player to make these actions as a reaction, or a bonus action.
The only other suggestion I might make is that Matt Mercer's Critical Role series allowed players to use their Bonus Action as "another Action", to basically make things more cinematic. This was generally a spur of the moment decision to keep things moving, rather than to stop the game and check the rules, however.
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The Dodge and Disengage actions are primarily considered as an option to take as your primary Action (PHB p.192):
Dodge
When you take the Dodge action, you focus entirely on avoiding attacks. Until the start of your next turn, any attack roll made against you has disadvantage if you can see the attacker, and you make Dexterity saving throws with advantage.
Disengage
If you take the Disengage action, your movement doesn't provoke opportunity attacks for the rest of the turn.
There are some classes however, that allow you to "Dodge", but these class features aren't the same as the Dodge action. For example, the Rogue's Uncanny Dodge feature halves damage, as a reaction (PHB p.96):
Starting at 5th level, when an attacker that you can see hits you with an attack, you can use your reaction to halve the attack's damage against you.
The Monk does gain a feature to allow them to Dodge as a bonus action, at the cost of a Ki Point (PHB p.78):
Patient Defense
You can spend 1 ki point to take the Dodge action as a bonus action on your turn
And then a feature similar to the Rogue's Uncanny Dodge (PHB p.78):
Starting at 3rd level, you can use your reaction to deflect or catch the missile when you are hit by a ranged weapon attack.
Outside of this, there is very little that allows a player to make these actions as a reaction, or a bonus action.
The only other suggestion I might make is that Matt Mercer's Critical Role series allowed players to use their Bonus Action as "another Action", to basically make things more cinematic. This was generally a spur of the moment decision to keep things moving, rather than to stop the game and check the rules, however.
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edited May 15 at 5:14
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V2Blast
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Also Mercer did not allow player to "use their Bonus Action as 'another Action'". He just rolls with "rules of cool" a lot and doesn't take awesome moments away from players on technicalities. He sometimes lets it slide if they didn't do a lot with their turn anyway. But most of the time he will enforce it.
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– linksassin
May 15 at 4:58
4
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@linksassin campaign 1 at least did include a houserule that characters could drink potions as a bonus action, and relaxed restrictions on bonus action spellcasting in conjunction with regular-action spellcasting.
$endgroup$
– Carcer
May 15 at 8:56
2
$begingroup$
@Carcer Matt has since adjusted the spellcasting thing; he uses the usual rule whereby if you cast a non-cantrip spell as a BA, then spells cast with an Action must be cantrips, but he offers a homebrew feat that allows you to relax the restriction; iirc it changes that "must be cantrips" part to "must be second level or lower". The drink-potion-as-bonus-action rule is still in effect, I believe, but it's a full action to feed a potion to someone else.
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– anaximander
May 15 at 10:32
1
$begingroup$
There are some races that also allow bonus actions to disengage (like the goblin).
$endgroup$
– NautArch
May 15 at 13:30
add a comment |
9
$begingroup$
Also Mercer did not allow player to "use their Bonus Action as 'another Action'". He just rolls with "rules of cool" a lot and doesn't take awesome moments away from players on technicalities. He sometimes lets it slide if they didn't do a lot with their turn anyway. But most of the time he will enforce it.
$endgroup$
– linksassin
May 15 at 4:58
4
$begingroup$
@linksassin campaign 1 at least did include a houserule that characters could drink potions as a bonus action, and relaxed restrictions on bonus action spellcasting in conjunction with regular-action spellcasting.
$endgroup$
– Carcer
May 15 at 8:56
2
$begingroup$
@Carcer Matt has since adjusted the spellcasting thing; he uses the usual rule whereby if you cast a non-cantrip spell as a BA, then spells cast with an Action must be cantrips, but he offers a homebrew feat that allows you to relax the restriction; iirc it changes that "must be cantrips" part to "must be second level or lower". The drink-potion-as-bonus-action rule is still in effect, I believe, but it's a full action to feed a potion to someone else.
$endgroup$
– anaximander
May 15 at 10:32
1
$begingroup$
There are some races that also allow bonus actions to disengage (like the goblin).
$endgroup$
– NautArch
May 15 at 13:30
9
9
$begingroup$
Also Mercer did not allow player to "use their Bonus Action as 'another Action'". He just rolls with "rules of cool" a lot and doesn't take awesome moments away from players on technicalities. He sometimes lets it slide if they didn't do a lot with their turn anyway. But most of the time he will enforce it.
$endgroup$
– linksassin
May 15 at 4:58
$begingroup$
Also Mercer did not allow player to "use their Bonus Action as 'another Action'". He just rolls with "rules of cool" a lot and doesn't take awesome moments away from players on technicalities. He sometimes lets it slide if they didn't do a lot with their turn anyway. But most of the time he will enforce it.
$endgroup$
– linksassin
May 15 at 4:58
4
4
$begingroup$
@linksassin campaign 1 at least did include a houserule that characters could drink potions as a bonus action, and relaxed restrictions on bonus action spellcasting in conjunction with regular-action spellcasting.
$endgroup$
– Carcer
May 15 at 8:56
$begingroup$
@linksassin campaign 1 at least did include a houserule that characters could drink potions as a bonus action, and relaxed restrictions on bonus action spellcasting in conjunction with regular-action spellcasting.
$endgroup$
– Carcer
May 15 at 8:56
2
2
$begingroup$
@Carcer Matt has since adjusted the spellcasting thing; he uses the usual rule whereby if you cast a non-cantrip spell as a BA, then spells cast with an Action must be cantrips, but he offers a homebrew feat that allows you to relax the restriction; iirc it changes that "must be cantrips" part to "must be second level or lower". The drink-potion-as-bonus-action rule is still in effect, I believe, but it's a full action to feed a potion to someone else.
$endgroup$
– anaximander
May 15 at 10:32
$begingroup$
@Carcer Matt has since adjusted the spellcasting thing; he uses the usual rule whereby if you cast a non-cantrip spell as a BA, then spells cast with an Action must be cantrips, but he offers a homebrew feat that allows you to relax the restriction; iirc it changes that "must be cantrips" part to "must be second level or lower". The drink-potion-as-bonus-action rule is still in effect, I believe, but it's a full action to feed a potion to someone else.
$endgroup$
– anaximander
May 15 at 10:32
1
1
$begingroup$
There are some races that also allow bonus actions to disengage (like the goblin).
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– NautArch
May 15 at 13:30
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There are some races that also allow bonus actions to disengage (like the goblin).
$endgroup$
– NautArch
May 15 at 13:30
add a comment |
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Let's refer to this handy chart.
Dash (PHB 192), Disengage (PHB 192), Dodge (PHB 192), Ready (PHB 193), and Cast a Spell (PHB 192) are all Actions. You get to use one of those per turn during ordinary cases. Note that Turn Undead is an Action.
The only Reactions possible are an Opportunity Attack (PHB 195), a Readied Action (PHB 193, must have used Ready on their most recent turn), or a Cast (PHB 192) spell that has a casting time of a Reaction. You get at most one of these a round (so, it is refreshed only when their initiative comes up).
Bonus Actions can be an Offhand Attack (PHB 192,194-195), when using the Two-Weapon Fighting rule, a Cast (PHB 192) spell that has a casting time of one Bonus Action, or a Class Feature (PHB, see specific Class Features) with a time of Bonus Action. You get one Bonus Action per turn.
So, given this information, it appears that your intrepid Cleric took three Actions in a single turn. Short of any Class Feature or Racial Feature that might provide an explanation for this, this was definitely an abuse of the action economy.
To be sure though, check to see if they're using a particular Race, Feat, or Class Feature that might have allowed this action economy. I'm not aware of any such items that would match this, since action economy is tightly regulated to avoid the sort of balance problems you witnessed in that encounter.
The Cleric could probably still have won, but it would be a lot more challenging. Turn Undead on one, hopefully kill the other within 10 rounds, do some healing, if possible, then deal with the other. Or, use every single Action to Dash in the opposite direction to safety, whatever that might mean.
It'd be worth your time to reread the rules and refresh your memory, and maybe even find a handy chart like the one I've linked for moments like this. Also, whenever a player does something that seems genuinely Too Good To Be True, it never hurts to double-check the rules, just in case.
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Let's refer to this handy chart.
Dash (PHB 192), Disengage (PHB 192), Dodge (PHB 192), Ready (PHB 193), and Cast a Spell (PHB 192) are all Actions. You get to use one of those per turn during ordinary cases. Note that Turn Undead is an Action.
The only Reactions possible are an Opportunity Attack (PHB 195), a Readied Action (PHB 193, must have used Ready on their most recent turn), or a Cast (PHB 192) spell that has a casting time of a Reaction. You get at most one of these a round (so, it is refreshed only when their initiative comes up).
Bonus Actions can be an Offhand Attack (PHB 192,194-195), when using the Two-Weapon Fighting rule, a Cast (PHB 192) spell that has a casting time of one Bonus Action, or a Class Feature (PHB, see specific Class Features) with a time of Bonus Action. You get one Bonus Action per turn.
So, given this information, it appears that your intrepid Cleric took three Actions in a single turn. Short of any Class Feature or Racial Feature that might provide an explanation for this, this was definitely an abuse of the action economy.
To be sure though, check to see if they're using a particular Race, Feat, or Class Feature that might have allowed this action economy. I'm not aware of any such items that would match this, since action economy is tightly regulated to avoid the sort of balance problems you witnessed in that encounter.
The Cleric could probably still have won, but it would be a lot more challenging. Turn Undead on one, hopefully kill the other within 10 rounds, do some healing, if possible, then deal with the other. Or, use every single Action to Dash in the opposite direction to safety, whatever that might mean.
It'd be worth your time to reread the rules and refresh your memory, and maybe even find a handy chart like the one I've linked for moments like this. Also, whenever a player does something that seems genuinely Too Good To Be True, it never hurts to double-check the rules, just in case.
edited May 15 at 5:45
V2Blast
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answered May 15 at 4:31
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$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Let's refer to this handy chart.
Dash (PHB 192), Disengage (PHB 192), Dodge (PHB 192), Ready (PHB 193), and Cast a Spell (PHB 192) are all Actions. You get to use one of those per turn during ordinary cases. Note that Turn Undead is an Action.
The only Reactions possible are an Opportunity Attack (PHB 195), a Readied Action (PHB 193, must have used Ready on their most recent turn), or a Cast (PHB 192) spell that has a casting time of a Reaction. You get at most one of these a round (so, it is refreshed only when their initiative comes up).
Bonus Actions can be an Offhand Attack (PHB 192,194-195), when using the Two-Weapon Fighting rule, a Cast (PHB 192) spell that has a casting time of one Bonus Action, or a Class Feature (PHB, see specific Class Features) with a time of Bonus Action. You get one Bonus Action per turn.
So, given this information, it appears that your intrepid Cleric took three Actions in a single turn. Short of any Class Feature or Racial Feature that might provide an explanation for this, this was definitely an abuse of the action economy.
To be sure though, check to see if they're using a particular Race, Feat, or Class Feature that might have allowed this action economy. I'm not aware of any such items that would match this, since action economy is tightly regulated to avoid the sort of balance problems you witnessed in that encounter.
The Cleric could probably still have won, but it would be a lot more challenging. Turn Undead on one, hopefully kill the other within 10 rounds, do some healing, if possible, then deal with the other. Or, use every single Action to Dash in the opposite direction to safety, whatever that might mean.
It'd be worth your time to reread the rules and refresh your memory, and maybe even find a handy chart like the one I've linked for moments like this. Also, whenever a player does something that seems genuinely Too Good To Be True, it never hurts to double-check the rules, just in case.
edited May 15 at 5:45
V2Blast
29.2k5105177
answered May 15 at 4:31
phyrfoxphyrfox
1,206612
$endgroup$
Let's refer to this handy chart.
Dash (PHB 192), Disengage (PHB 192), Dodge (PHB 192), Ready (PHB 193), and Cast a Spell (PHB 192) are all Actions. You get to use one of those per turn during ordinary cases. Note that Turn Undead is an Action.
The only Reactions possible are an Opportunity Attack (PHB 195), a Readied Action (PHB 193, must have used Ready on their most recent turn), or a Cast (PHB 192) spell that has a casting time of a Reaction. You get at most one of these a round (so, it is refreshed only when their initiative comes up).
Bonus Actions can be an Offhand Attack (PHB 192,194-195), when using the Two-Weapon Fighting rule, a Cast (PHB 192) spell that has a casting time of one Bonus Action, or a Class Feature (PHB, see specific Class Features) with a time of Bonus Action. You get one Bonus Action per turn.
So, given this information, it appears that your intrepid Cleric took three Actions in a single turn. Short of any Class Feature or Racial Feature that might provide an explanation for this, this was definitely an abuse of the action economy.
To be sure though, check to see if they're using a particular Race, Feat, or Class Feature that might have allowed this action economy. I'm not aware of any such items that would match this, since action economy is tightly regulated to avoid the sort of balance problems you witnessed in that encounter.
The Cleric could probably still have won, but it would be a lot more challenging. Turn Undead on one, hopefully kill the other within 10 rounds, do some healing, if possible, then deal with the other. Or, use every single Action to Dash in the opposite direction to safety, whatever that might mean.
It'd be worth your time to reread the rules and refresh your memory, and maybe even find a handy chart like the one I've linked for moments like this. Also, whenever a player does something that seems genuinely Too Good To Be True, it never hurts to double-check the rules, just in case.
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answered May 15 at 4:31
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answered May 15 at 4:31
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Dodge, Dash and Disengage
In the rules, these are all just actions; you can only do one of these or an attack as your action. Bonus actions only let you do things explicitly listed as bonus actions (e.g. an offhand attack, or many classes have a "small" ability that counts as a bonus action).
Rogues have the Cunning Action feature which lets them take Dash, Disengage or Hide as a bonus action.
Reactions
Likewise, you can only do things explicitly listed as a reaction, such as an opportunity attack if a creature retreats from you.
From fifth level Rogues have an Uncanny Dodge ability, different to the Dodge action, which is a reaction that halves damage from a single attack.
Rogues
It sounds like either the player, or you, may have been thinking of rogues, possibly because they saw a rogue character do these in a different game and didn't realise they weren't standard abilities any character could do.
What to do
If everyone is still learning the rules, I wouldn't try to unwind what happened last session, but I'd check over the rules for a turn having movement, action, and possibly a bonus action, and having one reaction in a round, and what characters can do with them.
Probably the player was just confused or optimistic, and you can clarify things if it comes up again.
If it comes up a lot, it's possible the player would like to be playing a rogue, possibly as a multiclass, and you might want to talk it over with them.
If the player seems to make these mistakes in their favour a lot, they may be prone to trying it on even when they know they shouldn't get something. It's good to give players a bit of give when they have a cool idea, but don't let one player get away with more just because they ask more.
edited May 16 at 21:31
V2Blast
29.2k5105177
answered May 15 at 10:34
Jack V.Jack V.
988610
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
@JPChapleau: See this meta on the standardization of English; other than game terms that have a specific spelling, we should not change British spellings of words to US spellings, or vice versa. In addition, multiclassing is not hyphenated in the rules. (And "actions" is not capitalized either.)
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– V2Blast
May 16 at 21:33
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Dodge, Dash and Disengage
In the rules, these are all just actions; you can only do one of these or an attack as your action. Bonus actions only let you do things explicitly listed as bonus actions (e.g. an offhand attack, or many classes have a "small" ability that counts as a bonus action).
Rogues have the Cunning Action feature which lets them take Dash, Disengage or Hide as a bonus action.
Reactions
Likewise, you can only do things explicitly listed as a reaction, such as an opportunity attack if a creature retreats from you.
From fifth level Rogues have an Uncanny Dodge ability, different to the Dodge action, which is a reaction that halves damage from a single attack.
Rogues
It sounds like either the player, or you, may have been thinking of rogues, possibly because they saw a rogue character do these in a different game and didn't realise they weren't standard abilities any character could do.
What to do
If everyone is still learning the rules, I wouldn't try to unwind what happened last session, but I'd check over the rules for a turn having movement, action, and possibly a bonus action, and having one reaction in a round, and what characters can do with them.
Probably the player was just confused or optimistic, and you can clarify things if it comes up again.
If it comes up a lot, it's possible the player would like to be playing a rogue, possibly as a multiclass, and you might want to talk it over with them.
If the player seems to make these mistakes in their favour a lot, they may be prone to trying it on even when they know they shouldn't get something. It's good to give players a bit of give when they have a cool idea, but don't let one player get away with more just because they ask more.
edited May 16 at 21:31
V2Blast
29.2k5105177
answered May 15 at 10:34
Jack V.Jack V.
988610
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
@JPChapleau: See this meta on the standardization of English; other than game terms that have a specific spelling, we should not change British spellings of words to US spellings, or vice versa. In addition, multiclassing is not hyphenated in the rules. (And "actions" is not capitalized either.)
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
May 16 at 21:33
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Dodge, Dash and Disengage
In the rules, these are all just actions; you can only do one of these or an attack as your action. Bonus actions only let you do things explicitly listed as bonus actions (e.g. an offhand attack, or many classes have a "small" ability that counts as a bonus action).
Rogues have the Cunning Action feature which lets them take Dash, Disengage or Hide as a bonus action.
Reactions
Likewise, you can only do things explicitly listed as a reaction, such as an opportunity attack if a creature retreats from you.
From fifth level Rogues have an Uncanny Dodge ability, different to the Dodge action, which is a reaction that halves damage from a single attack.
Rogues
It sounds like either the player, or you, may have been thinking of rogues, possibly because they saw a rogue character do these in a different game and didn't realise they weren't standard abilities any character could do.
What to do
If everyone is still learning the rules, I wouldn't try to unwind what happened last session, but I'd check over the rules for a turn having movement, action, and possibly a bonus action, and having one reaction in a round, and what characters can do with them.
Probably the player was just confused or optimistic, and you can clarify things if it comes up again.
If it comes up a lot, it's possible the player would like to be playing a rogue, possibly as a multiclass, and you might want to talk it over with them.
If the player seems to make these mistakes in their favour a lot, they may be prone to trying it on even when they know they shouldn't get something. It's good to give players a bit of give when they have a cool idea, but don't let one player get away with more just because they ask more.
edited May 16 at 21:31
V2Blast
29.2k5105177
answered May 15 at 10:34
Jack V.Jack V.
988610
$endgroup$
Dodge, Dash and Disengage
In the rules, these are all just actions; you can only do one of these or an attack as your action. Bonus actions only let you do things explicitly listed as bonus actions (e.g. an offhand attack, or many classes have a "small" ability that counts as a bonus action).
Rogues have the Cunning Action feature which lets them take Dash, Disengage or Hide as a bonus action.
Reactions
Likewise, you can only do things explicitly listed as a reaction, such as an opportunity attack if a creature retreats from you.
From fifth level Rogues have an Uncanny Dodge ability, different to the Dodge action, which is a reaction that halves damage from a single attack.
Rogues
It sounds like either the player, or you, may have been thinking of rogues, possibly because they saw a rogue character do these in a different game and didn't realise they weren't standard abilities any character could do.
What to do
If everyone is still learning the rules, I wouldn't try to unwind what happened last session, but I'd check over the rules for a turn having movement, action, and possibly a bonus action, and having one reaction in a round, and what characters can do with them.
Probably the player was just confused or optimistic, and you can clarify things if it comes up again.
If it comes up a lot, it's possible the player would like to be playing a rogue, possibly as a multiclass, and you might want to talk it over with them.
If the player seems to make these mistakes in their favour a lot, they may be prone to trying it on even when they know they shouldn't get something. It's good to give players a bit of give when they have a cool idea, but don't let one player get away with more just because they ask more.
edited May 16 at 21:31
V2Blast
29.2k5105177
answered May 15 at 10:34
Jack V.Jack V.
988610
edited May 16 at 21:31
V2Blast
29.2k5105177
edited May 16 at 21:31
V2Blast
29.2k5105177
edited May 16 at 21:31
V2Blast
29.2k5105177
29.2k5105177
answered May 15 at 10:34
Jack V.Jack V.
988610
answered May 15 at 10:34
Jack V.Jack V.
988610
answered May 15 at 10:34
Jack V.Jack V.
988610
988610
1
$begingroup$
@JPChapleau: See this meta on the standardization of English; other than game terms that have a specific spelling, we should not change British spellings of words to US spellings, or vice versa. In addition, multiclassing is not hyphenated in the rules. (And "actions" is not capitalized either.)
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
May 16 at 21:33
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
@JPChapleau: See this meta on the standardization of English; other than game terms that have a specific spelling, we should not change British spellings of words to US spellings, or vice versa. In addition, multiclassing is not hyphenated in the rules. (And "actions" is not capitalized either.)
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
May 16 at 21:33
1
1
$begingroup$
@JPChapleau: See this meta on the standardization of English; other than game terms that have a specific spelling, we should not change British spellings of words to US spellings, or vice versa. In addition, multiclassing is not hyphenated in the rules. (And "actions" is not capitalized either.)
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
May 16 at 21:33
$begingroup$
@JPChapleau: See this meta on the standardization of English; other than game terms that have a specific spelling, we should not change British spellings of words to US spellings, or vice versa. In addition, multiclassing is not hyphenated in the rules. (And "actions" is not capitalized either.)
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
May 16 at 21:33
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Just to be extra clear, when you say "dodge" in the question you are referring to the Dodge action, correct? Did they ever say how they were doing that as a reaction?
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– Rubiksmoose
May 15 at 3:34
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What level and domain is this Cleric? Have they possibly multiclassed into Rogue? And how did they "dodge" on their reaction?
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– linksassin
May 15 at 3:49
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Also, what race is the Cleric?
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– Miniman
May 15 at 3:54
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– Someone_Evil
May 15 at 6:25
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I wonder if the player is conflating 5e mechanics with those of a different edition or game. Several players in my group, for example, took many sessions to un-learn 3.5/pathfinder mechanics.
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– Phlarx
May 15 at 20:40