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How is leasing a car beneficial to the one who leases? [duplicate]
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Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?I'm thinking of getting a new car … why shouldn't I LEASE one?Leasing a car for a friend with low or poor credit historyIf I plan to buyout my lease car at the end, do I still pay for excess mileage/wear?How can the interest rate be disguised in a car lease?My mother's name is on my car title, how can I protect my ownership of the car in the event of her death?Leasing a car I intend to buyWhy are auto leases stubbornly strict about visa status and how to work around that?Leasing a car: Do I need credit approval for total lease amount, or full amount of car?In CA, Old car registration/smog is Due, Can I sell the car?Leasing a car with good income, but very youngAre there typically penalties for trading in a lease on a new car before the lease contract ends?
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I'm thinking of getting a new car … why shouldn't I LEASE one?
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They say that a car is a depreciating asset and so leasing a car works better than buying one. I heard this from folks and car salespersons. Although I understand the aspect of leasing cars meaning not having to spend on repairs, I don't understand how leasing is better.
It seems that leasing is fine if you assume that the car will run into repairs after the leasing period. But this may not be true always. I feel like I may be missing something here. Any analysis to help understand?
Clarification: I have heard from a few persons (sales and otherwise) that it mathematically makes sense on a depreciating asset. So their recommendation would be to just lease a car after another forever instead of ever buying it. So I am considering average leasing vs avg buying in installments (EMI) case, not extreme examples.
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I'm thinking of getting a new car … why shouldn't I LEASE one?
8 answers
They say that a car is a depreciating asset and so leasing a car works better than buying one. I heard this from folks and car salespersons. Although I understand the aspect of leasing cars meaning not having to spend on repairs, I don't understand how leasing is better.
It seems that leasing is fine if you assume that the car will run into repairs after the leasing period. But this may not be true always. I feel like I may be missing something here. Any analysis to help understand?
Clarification: I have heard from a few persons (sales and otherwise) that it mathematically makes sense on a depreciating asset. So their recommendation would be to just lease a car after another forever instead of ever buying it. So I am considering average leasing vs avg buying in installments (EMI) case, not extreme examples.
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Leasing a car is better for the sales person, so it is to their benefit to try to convince the customer that leasing is better for him, too. But it isn’t better for the customer, except in a few unusual circumstances.
– prl
2 days ago
Are you leasing for a busines or as a private person?
– some_coder
2 days ago
I am asking with respect to an individual. I suppose for businesses it may make better sense because they don't have to have an inventory and manage it, but I'm happy to learn something I may be missing even for businesses.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
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I think there needs to be an utterly clear definition of "better" before anyone can answer this. Better in terms of long term (financial) cost? Better in terms of monthly cost to have a specific make/model? Better in terms of taking advantage of specific incentives? Better in terms of your tolerance for long term risk? Better in terms of your desire to actually own the vehicle after a certain number of years? Better in terms of the ease of disposing/trading the vehicle for a known amount after a known timeframe?
– dwizum
2 days ago
@perennial_noob - a very simple answer to your question is "In some cases there are tax advantages." As you imply, otherwise it's just a more convenient/luxurious way to do something, which costs more. It's as simple as that.
– Fattie
2 days ago
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I'm thinking of getting a new car … why shouldn't I LEASE one?
8 answers
They say that a car is a depreciating asset and so leasing a car works better than buying one. I heard this from folks and car salespersons. Although I understand the aspect of leasing cars meaning not having to spend on repairs, I don't understand how leasing is better.
It seems that leasing is fine if you assume that the car will run into repairs after the leasing period. But this may not be true always. I feel like I may be missing something here. Any analysis to help understand?
Clarification: I have heard from a few persons (sales and otherwise) that it mathematically makes sense on a depreciating asset. So their recommendation would be to just lease a car after another forever instead of ever buying it. So I am considering average leasing vs avg buying in installments (EMI) case, not extreme examples.
car auto-loan auto-leasing
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This question already has an answer here:
I'm thinking of getting a new car … why shouldn't I LEASE one?
8 answers
They say that a car is a depreciating asset and so leasing a car works better than buying one. I heard this from folks and car salespersons. Although I understand the aspect of leasing cars meaning not having to spend on repairs, I don't understand how leasing is better.
It seems that leasing is fine if you assume that the car will run into repairs after the leasing period. But this may not be true always. I feel like I may be missing something here. Any analysis to help understand?
Clarification: I have heard from a few persons (sales and otherwise) that it mathematically makes sense on a depreciating asset. So their recommendation would be to just lease a car after another forever instead of ever buying it. So I am considering average leasing vs avg buying in installments (EMI) case, not extreme examples.
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Leasing a car is better for the sales person, so it is to their benefit to try to convince the customer that leasing is better for him, too. But it isn’t better for the customer, except in a few unusual circumstances.
– prl
2 days ago
Are you leasing for a busines or as a private person?
– some_coder
2 days ago
I am asking with respect to an individual. I suppose for businesses it may make better sense because they don't have to have an inventory and manage it, but I'm happy to learn something I may be missing even for businesses.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
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I think there needs to be an utterly clear definition of "better" before anyone can answer this. Better in terms of long term (financial) cost? Better in terms of monthly cost to have a specific make/model? Better in terms of taking advantage of specific incentives? Better in terms of your tolerance for long term risk? Better in terms of your desire to actually own the vehicle after a certain number of years? Better in terms of the ease of disposing/trading the vehicle for a known amount after a known timeframe?
– dwizum
2 days ago
@perennial_noob - a very simple answer to your question is "In some cases there are tax advantages." As you imply, otherwise it's just a more convenient/luxurious way to do something, which costs more. It's as simple as that.
– Fattie
2 days ago
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Leasing a car is better for the sales person, so it is to their benefit to try to convince the customer that leasing is better for him, too. But it isn’t better for the customer, except in a few unusual circumstances.
– prl
2 days ago
Are you leasing for a busines or as a private person?
– some_coder
2 days ago
I am asking with respect to an individual. I suppose for businesses it may make better sense because they don't have to have an inventory and manage it, but I'm happy to learn something I may be missing even for businesses.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
3
I think there needs to be an utterly clear definition of "better" before anyone can answer this. Better in terms of long term (financial) cost? Better in terms of monthly cost to have a specific make/model? Better in terms of taking advantage of specific incentives? Better in terms of your tolerance for long term risk? Better in terms of your desire to actually own the vehicle after a certain number of years? Better in terms of the ease of disposing/trading the vehicle for a known amount after a known timeframe?
– dwizum
2 days ago
@perennial_noob - a very simple answer to your question is "In some cases there are tax advantages." As you imply, otherwise it's just a more convenient/luxurious way to do something, which costs more. It's as simple as that.
– Fattie
2 days ago
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Leasing a car is better for the sales person, so it is to their benefit to try to convince the customer that leasing is better for him, too. But it isn’t better for the customer, except in a few unusual circumstances.
– prl
2 days ago
Leasing a car is better for the sales person, so it is to their benefit to try to convince the customer that leasing is better for him, too. But it isn’t better for the customer, except in a few unusual circumstances.
– prl
2 days ago
Are you leasing for a busines or as a private person?
– some_coder
2 days ago
Are you leasing for a busines or as a private person?
– some_coder
2 days ago
I am asking with respect to an individual. I suppose for businesses it may make better sense because they don't have to have an inventory and manage it, but I'm happy to learn something I may be missing even for businesses.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
I am asking with respect to an individual. I suppose for businesses it may make better sense because they don't have to have an inventory and manage it, but I'm happy to learn something I may be missing even for businesses.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
3
3
I think there needs to be an utterly clear definition of "better" before anyone can answer this. Better in terms of long term (financial) cost? Better in terms of monthly cost to have a specific make/model? Better in terms of taking advantage of specific incentives? Better in terms of your tolerance for long term risk? Better in terms of your desire to actually own the vehicle after a certain number of years? Better in terms of the ease of disposing/trading the vehicle for a known amount after a known timeframe?
– dwizum
2 days ago
I think there needs to be an utterly clear definition of "better" before anyone can answer this. Better in terms of long term (financial) cost? Better in terms of monthly cost to have a specific make/model? Better in terms of taking advantage of specific incentives? Better in terms of your tolerance for long term risk? Better in terms of your desire to actually own the vehicle after a certain number of years? Better in terms of the ease of disposing/trading the vehicle for a known amount after a known timeframe?
– dwizum
2 days ago
@perennial_noob - a very simple answer to your question is "In some cases there are tax advantages." As you imply, otherwise it's just a more convenient/luxurious way to do something, which costs more. It's as simple as that.
– Fattie
2 days ago
@perennial_noob - a very simple answer to your question is "In some cases there are tax advantages." As you imply, otherwise it's just a more convenient/luxurious way to do something, which costs more. It's as simple as that.
– Fattie
2 days ago
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It's all about circumstances, but generally leasing a car only benefits the sales person. But there can be mutual benefits.
If you're the kind of person who must be seen in the latest model of car, then leasing can be great as every 2 years you just pass it in, collect the new model, pay a changeover fee and continue your payments as normal.
Or, in my situation, I had been saving for the downpayment on a car (at the time having no car at all and moving from Manhattan to suburban New Jersey where a car is a must), planning on financing the last 30% or so. Then an emergency, unexpected expense wiped out all but 10% of my savings.
That 10% I had left was enough for the downpayment on a lease. The monthly payment was higher than than I was planning on repaying had I got a loan, but it was that or an unreliable junker. So I got the car my family needed and that gave me 2 years to save enough to buy another car outright once the lease expired.
I was happy. My wife was happy. The dealer was happy. The leasing company was happy. Financially it was not the best, but as long as everyone walks away satisfied that was more important.
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Add taxes. WHere I live, getting a company car prepaid deducted is HARD - did that once, never again. OTOH leasing is cheap from manufacturers and I have ZERO problem deducting all associated costs as company costs. HUGH difference.
– TomTom
2 days ago
@Mark Henderson instead of buying a new car outright after the two years, why not buy the leased car outright at the end of the lease?
– stannius
yesterday
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@stannius becusse the value proposition wasn't there. I got an older but just as functional car for half the price of the buyout
– Mark Henderson
yesterday
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This depends on a number of factors. The idea of leasing is that there is some agreed upon amount of depreciation the asset experiences over the term of the lease, say 40% in 36 months. Rather than buy the whole asset, a car in this case, you simply borrow the car for the 36 month term and pay for the depreciation. Leases typically include some other fees like required gap insurance which may not be a terribly good deal, and the interest rate is typically much more vague than on a purchase arrangement.
If the vehicle is being used for a business it is easier to manage the taxes as your business doesn't own and as such doesn't have to depreciate the car; the business just deducts the lease payment.
In some states, like California, when you purchase a car you owe sales tax on the entire cost of the car, which can be a substantial amount. In a lease arrangement sales tax is paid on each lease payment. For more expensive cars that a person doesn't intend to own for more than a couple of years there can be a pretty substantial sales tax savings.
Buying things in cash is generally the best way to buy things. There are some situations where leasing cars is defensible once the person has made the leap to not buying a car in cash.
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You can think of leasing a car for five years as "buying" the first five years of its life, plus "buying" the money for that purchase (that is, since you are making monthly payments rather than an upfront one, you are paying interest, or "buying" the time value of that money), and, if there's an option to buy it at the end, a premium for that. And then there's profit margin for the seller on top of that. So a lease is sort of a bundle of three things: a loan, a partial purchase, and an option. Deciding whether it's a good thing comes down to looking at those three things as deciding whether you value them at the price offered.
That it's a depreciating asset isn't much of an argument for it; it's not like the dealership isn't going to take the depreciation into account when they set their leasing prices. If anything, it's an argument against it, since the price of cars depreciate faster than their value. If we're comparing leasing a car every two two years versus buying a car and keeping it until it wears out, the latter is obviously less expensive. If we're comparing it to buying a new car every two years and trading in the old one, then leasing is more of a contender.
There can be specific circumstances that make leasing make sense, but it there's an attitude of disposablity for which leasing is both a cause and an effect, and that can be harmful to consumers.
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It is about cash flow and taxes, mostly. And leasing is not really expensive - depending what you buy. I.e. a car producer will often subsidize the paymens. I pay very little for leasing which is not deprecation on both cars, the lease itself is just a couple of percent over the year. Seriously close to nothing.
In my case, my place of living makes it hard to deduct cars as business expense unless you have a financing operation going, preferably lease. Last car I bought cash and we spent 6 months arguing with the finance authorities.
Leaase the car and you do not only not have to spend all the money up front (moving CAPEX - Capital Expenses - to OPEX - Operating Expenses), i.e. I pay while I earn, I also suddenly have ZERO problems submitting the invoices. Significant difference. And yes, both cars actually are not intended to be replaced like that. I plan to buy them out after 5 years. Well, maybe I do replace them ;)
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That is an interesting perspective about business expenses. That said, it would not be the 'smart thing that no one does' that dealers claim it would be for an average person who may not have business tie ups to lease a car.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
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Well, but i f you buy new cars you an always negotiate a decent rebate AND a good lease - not significantly worse than taking a credit anyway. In europe car companies run their own banks to offer cheap financing ;)
– TomTom
2 days ago
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It depends on what contract you choose and how it will affect your tax deducts.
Counting from "zero" (where zero is the time you lease the car) the expenses may be equal or higher to cost of buying used car (with the plus side you are the owner of the car you bought). It's usually lower to money spend on new car in the same period of time (with the downside you are the owner of the car you bought and still face expenses).
But in my opinion you should look at lease in much more wider perspective. Take the time of lease and count the money you spend on transportation in same period as the lease will last BEFORE signing.
I'll give you my example. 2 years lease worth 16,620. With all expenses calculated in (insurance, inspection, extra costs made during recalls). And great (IMHO) service pack. So free towing, same replacement car etc.
Now, in two years before the lease I've spend 15K on maintenance (so just to get the car moving). Plus around 2K on insurance, 300 on inspections, 1k on tires. With extra expenses on towing, lost time when car was in shop. Keep in mind that I was able to sell the car for the same price I bought so I didn't have loss on this (not always possible).
One could argue that next car wouldn't need so much money spend. But it's a gable. With leased car you are "protected". You don't have problems with a car. Leasing company does. With bought one (even new) you are the owner and you need to pay for anything extra that will happen.
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To say that leasing is better than buying (or vice versa) is a meaningless statement without knowing the details of the contract. The first obvious question is price. If you can buy a certain model car for $20,000, or lease it for $10,000 per month, buying is surely better. Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but that's my point. Without knowing the price in each case, you can't even begin to make a meaningful comparison.
In theory, you could compare by taking the cost to purchase, plus taxes and any expenses you would have over the life of the vehicle, minus the trade-in value; and then compare that to lease price times the number of months you expect to keep the car, plus any other expenses. The practical problem is that many of the relevant costs are unknown. I've seen lots of calculations for this sort of thing that blithely say "assuming that maintenance costs are zero ..." or some such very unlikely assumption.
Maintenance could be zero for a lease. "Free" oil changes and other regular service bundled into the price of the car, and any unexpected / irregular services covered under warranty.
– stannius
yesterday
@stannius Sure. And I suppose expenses like gas, parking, and tolls would be irrelevant as they would presumably be the same whether you buy or lease. So maybe the relevant "other expenses" for a lease is zero.
– Jay
yesterday
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It's all about circumstances, but generally leasing a car only benefits the sales person. But there can be mutual benefits.
If you're the kind of person who must be seen in the latest model of car, then leasing can be great as every 2 years you just pass it in, collect the new model, pay a changeover fee and continue your payments as normal.
Or, in my situation, I had been saving for the downpayment on a car (at the time having no car at all and moving from Manhattan to suburban New Jersey where a car is a must), planning on financing the last 30% or so. Then an emergency, unexpected expense wiped out all but 10% of my savings.
That 10% I had left was enough for the downpayment on a lease. The monthly payment was higher than than I was planning on repaying had I got a loan, but it was that or an unreliable junker. So I got the car my family needed and that gave me 2 years to save enough to buy another car outright once the lease expired.
I was happy. My wife was happy. The dealer was happy. The leasing company was happy. Financially it was not the best, but as long as everyone walks away satisfied that was more important.
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Add taxes. WHere I live, getting a company car prepaid deducted is HARD - did that once, never again. OTOH leasing is cheap from manufacturers and I have ZERO problem deducting all associated costs as company costs. HUGH difference.
– TomTom
2 days ago
@Mark Henderson instead of buying a new car outright after the two years, why not buy the leased car outright at the end of the lease?
– stannius
yesterday
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@stannius becusse the value proposition wasn't there. I got an older but just as functional car for half the price of the buyout
– Mark Henderson
yesterday
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It's all about circumstances, but generally leasing a car only benefits the sales person. But there can be mutual benefits.
If you're the kind of person who must be seen in the latest model of car, then leasing can be great as every 2 years you just pass it in, collect the new model, pay a changeover fee and continue your payments as normal.
Or, in my situation, I had been saving for the downpayment on a car (at the time having no car at all and moving from Manhattan to suburban New Jersey where a car is a must), planning on financing the last 30% or so. Then an emergency, unexpected expense wiped out all but 10% of my savings.
That 10% I had left was enough for the downpayment on a lease. The monthly payment was higher than than I was planning on repaying had I got a loan, but it was that or an unreliable junker. So I got the car my family needed and that gave me 2 years to save enough to buy another car outright once the lease expired.
I was happy. My wife was happy. The dealer was happy. The leasing company was happy. Financially it was not the best, but as long as everyone walks away satisfied that was more important.
1
Add taxes. WHere I live, getting a company car prepaid deducted is HARD - did that once, never again. OTOH leasing is cheap from manufacturers and I have ZERO problem deducting all associated costs as company costs. HUGH difference.
– TomTom
2 days ago
@Mark Henderson instead of buying a new car outright after the two years, why not buy the leased car outright at the end of the lease?
– stannius
yesterday
1
@stannius becusse the value proposition wasn't there. I got an older but just as functional car for half the price of the buyout
– Mark Henderson
yesterday
add a comment |
It's all about circumstances, but generally leasing a car only benefits the sales person. But there can be mutual benefits.
If you're the kind of person who must be seen in the latest model of car, then leasing can be great as every 2 years you just pass it in, collect the new model, pay a changeover fee and continue your payments as normal.
Or, in my situation, I had been saving for the downpayment on a car (at the time having no car at all and moving from Manhattan to suburban New Jersey where a car is a must), planning on financing the last 30% or so. Then an emergency, unexpected expense wiped out all but 10% of my savings.
That 10% I had left was enough for the downpayment on a lease. The monthly payment was higher than than I was planning on repaying had I got a loan, but it was that or an unreliable junker. So I got the car my family needed and that gave me 2 years to save enough to buy another car outright once the lease expired.
I was happy. My wife was happy. The dealer was happy. The leasing company was happy. Financially it was not the best, but as long as everyone walks away satisfied that was more important.
It's all about circumstances, but generally leasing a car only benefits the sales person. But there can be mutual benefits.
If you're the kind of person who must be seen in the latest model of car, then leasing can be great as every 2 years you just pass it in, collect the new model, pay a changeover fee and continue your payments as normal.
Or, in my situation, I had been saving for the downpayment on a car (at the time having no car at all and moving from Manhattan to suburban New Jersey where a car is a must), planning on financing the last 30% or so. Then an emergency, unexpected expense wiped out all but 10% of my savings.
That 10% I had left was enough for the downpayment on a lease. The monthly payment was higher than than I was planning on repaying had I got a loan, but it was that or an unreliable junker. So I got the car my family needed and that gave me 2 years to save enough to buy another car outright once the lease expired.
I was happy. My wife was happy. The dealer was happy. The leasing company was happy. Financially it was not the best, but as long as everyone walks away satisfied that was more important.
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Add taxes. WHere I live, getting a company car prepaid deducted is HARD - did that once, never again. OTOH leasing is cheap from manufacturers and I have ZERO problem deducting all associated costs as company costs. HUGH difference.
– TomTom
2 days ago
@Mark Henderson instead of buying a new car outright after the two years, why not buy the leased car outright at the end of the lease?
– stannius
yesterday
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@stannius becusse the value proposition wasn't there. I got an older but just as functional car for half the price of the buyout
– Mark Henderson
yesterday
add a comment |
1
Add taxes. WHere I live, getting a company car prepaid deducted is HARD - did that once, never again. OTOH leasing is cheap from manufacturers and I have ZERO problem deducting all associated costs as company costs. HUGH difference.
– TomTom
2 days ago
@Mark Henderson instead of buying a new car outright after the two years, why not buy the leased car outright at the end of the lease?
– stannius
yesterday
1
@stannius becusse the value proposition wasn't there. I got an older but just as functional car for half the price of the buyout
– Mark Henderson
yesterday
1
1
Add taxes. WHere I live, getting a company car prepaid deducted is HARD - did that once, never again. OTOH leasing is cheap from manufacturers and I have ZERO problem deducting all associated costs as company costs. HUGH difference.
– TomTom
2 days ago
Add taxes. WHere I live, getting a company car prepaid deducted is HARD - did that once, never again. OTOH leasing is cheap from manufacturers and I have ZERO problem deducting all associated costs as company costs. HUGH difference.
– TomTom
2 days ago
@Mark Henderson instead of buying a new car outright after the two years, why not buy the leased car outright at the end of the lease?
– stannius
yesterday
@Mark Henderson instead of buying a new car outright after the two years, why not buy the leased car outright at the end of the lease?
– stannius
yesterday
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@stannius becusse the value proposition wasn't there. I got an older but just as functional car for half the price of the buyout
– Mark Henderson
yesterday
@stannius becusse the value proposition wasn't there. I got an older but just as functional car for half the price of the buyout
– Mark Henderson
yesterday
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This depends on a number of factors. The idea of leasing is that there is some agreed upon amount of depreciation the asset experiences over the term of the lease, say 40% in 36 months. Rather than buy the whole asset, a car in this case, you simply borrow the car for the 36 month term and pay for the depreciation. Leases typically include some other fees like required gap insurance which may not be a terribly good deal, and the interest rate is typically much more vague than on a purchase arrangement.
If the vehicle is being used for a business it is easier to manage the taxes as your business doesn't own and as such doesn't have to depreciate the car; the business just deducts the lease payment.
In some states, like California, when you purchase a car you owe sales tax on the entire cost of the car, which can be a substantial amount. In a lease arrangement sales tax is paid on each lease payment. For more expensive cars that a person doesn't intend to own for more than a couple of years there can be a pretty substantial sales tax savings.
Buying things in cash is generally the best way to buy things. There are some situations where leasing cars is defensible once the person has made the leap to not buying a car in cash.
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This depends on a number of factors. The idea of leasing is that there is some agreed upon amount of depreciation the asset experiences over the term of the lease, say 40% in 36 months. Rather than buy the whole asset, a car in this case, you simply borrow the car for the 36 month term and pay for the depreciation. Leases typically include some other fees like required gap insurance which may not be a terribly good deal, and the interest rate is typically much more vague than on a purchase arrangement.
If the vehicle is being used for a business it is easier to manage the taxes as your business doesn't own and as such doesn't have to depreciate the car; the business just deducts the lease payment.
In some states, like California, when you purchase a car you owe sales tax on the entire cost of the car, which can be a substantial amount. In a lease arrangement sales tax is paid on each lease payment. For more expensive cars that a person doesn't intend to own for more than a couple of years there can be a pretty substantial sales tax savings.
Buying things in cash is generally the best way to buy things. There are some situations where leasing cars is defensible once the person has made the leap to not buying a car in cash.
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This depends on a number of factors. The idea of leasing is that there is some agreed upon amount of depreciation the asset experiences over the term of the lease, say 40% in 36 months. Rather than buy the whole asset, a car in this case, you simply borrow the car for the 36 month term and pay for the depreciation. Leases typically include some other fees like required gap insurance which may not be a terribly good deal, and the interest rate is typically much more vague than on a purchase arrangement.
If the vehicle is being used for a business it is easier to manage the taxes as your business doesn't own and as such doesn't have to depreciate the car; the business just deducts the lease payment.
In some states, like California, when you purchase a car you owe sales tax on the entire cost of the car, which can be a substantial amount. In a lease arrangement sales tax is paid on each lease payment. For more expensive cars that a person doesn't intend to own for more than a couple of years there can be a pretty substantial sales tax savings.
Buying things in cash is generally the best way to buy things. There are some situations where leasing cars is defensible once the person has made the leap to not buying a car in cash.
This depends on a number of factors. The idea of leasing is that there is some agreed upon amount of depreciation the asset experiences over the term of the lease, say 40% in 36 months. Rather than buy the whole asset, a car in this case, you simply borrow the car for the 36 month term and pay for the depreciation. Leases typically include some other fees like required gap insurance which may not be a terribly good deal, and the interest rate is typically much more vague than on a purchase arrangement.
If the vehicle is being used for a business it is easier to manage the taxes as your business doesn't own and as such doesn't have to depreciate the car; the business just deducts the lease payment.
In some states, like California, when you purchase a car you owe sales tax on the entire cost of the car, which can be a substantial amount. In a lease arrangement sales tax is paid on each lease payment. For more expensive cars that a person doesn't intend to own for more than a couple of years there can be a pretty substantial sales tax savings.
Buying things in cash is generally the best way to buy things. There are some situations where leasing cars is defensible once the person has made the leap to not buying a car in cash.
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You can think of leasing a car for five years as "buying" the first five years of its life, plus "buying" the money for that purchase (that is, since you are making monthly payments rather than an upfront one, you are paying interest, or "buying" the time value of that money), and, if there's an option to buy it at the end, a premium for that. And then there's profit margin for the seller on top of that. So a lease is sort of a bundle of three things: a loan, a partial purchase, and an option. Deciding whether it's a good thing comes down to looking at those three things as deciding whether you value them at the price offered.
That it's a depreciating asset isn't much of an argument for it; it's not like the dealership isn't going to take the depreciation into account when they set their leasing prices. If anything, it's an argument against it, since the price of cars depreciate faster than their value. If we're comparing leasing a car every two two years versus buying a car and keeping it until it wears out, the latter is obviously less expensive. If we're comparing it to buying a new car every two years and trading in the old one, then leasing is more of a contender.
There can be specific circumstances that make leasing make sense, but it there's an attitude of disposablity for which leasing is both a cause and an effect, and that can be harmful to consumers.
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You can think of leasing a car for five years as "buying" the first five years of its life, plus "buying" the money for that purchase (that is, since you are making monthly payments rather than an upfront one, you are paying interest, or "buying" the time value of that money), and, if there's an option to buy it at the end, a premium for that. And then there's profit margin for the seller on top of that. So a lease is sort of a bundle of three things: a loan, a partial purchase, and an option. Deciding whether it's a good thing comes down to looking at those three things as deciding whether you value them at the price offered.
That it's a depreciating asset isn't much of an argument for it; it's not like the dealership isn't going to take the depreciation into account when they set their leasing prices. If anything, it's an argument against it, since the price of cars depreciate faster than their value. If we're comparing leasing a car every two two years versus buying a car and keeping it until it wears out, the latter is obviously less expensive. If we're comparing it to buying a new car every two years and trading in the old one, then leasing is more of a contender.
There can be specific circumstances that make leasing make sense, but it there's an attitude of disposablity for which leasing is both a cause and an effect, and that can be harmful to consumers.
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You can think of leasing a car for five years as "buying" the first five years of its life, plus "buying" the money for that purchase (that is, since you are making monthly payments rather than an upfront one, you are paying interest, or "buying" the time value of that money), and, if there's an option to buy it at the end, a premium for that. And then there's profit margin for the seller on top of that. So a lease is sort of a bundle of three things: a loan, a partial purchase, and an option. Deciding whether it's a good thing comes down to looking at those three things as deciding whether you value them at the price offered.
That it's a depreciating asset isn't much of an argument for it; it's not like the dealership isn't going to take the depreciation into account when they set their leasing prices. If anything, it's an argument against it, since the price of cars depreciate faster than their value. If we're comparing leasing a car every two two years versus buying a car and keeping it until it wears out, the latter is obviously less expensive. If we're comparing it to buying a new car every two years and trading in the old one, then leasing is more of a contender.
There can be specific circumstances that make leasing make sense, but it there's an attitude of disposablity for which leasing is both a cause and an effect, and that can be harmful to consumers.
You can think of leasing a car for five years as "buying" the first five years of its life, plus "buying" the money for that purchase (that is, since you are making monthly payments rather than an upfront one, you are paying interest, or "buying" the time value of that money), and, if there's an option to buy it at the end, a premium for that. And then there's profit margin for the seller on top of that. So a lease is sort of a bundle of three things: a loan, a partial purchase, and an option. Deciding whether it's a good thing comes down to looking at those three things as deciding whether you value them at the price offered.
That it's a depreciating asset isn't much of an argument for it; it's not like the dealership isn't going to take the depreciation into account when they set their leasing prices. If anything, it's an argument against it, since the price of cars depreciate faster than their value. If we're comparing leasing a car every two two years versus buying a car and keeping it until it wears out, the latter is obviously less expensive. If we're comparing it to buying a new car every two years and trading in the old one, then leasing is more of a contender.
There can be specific circumstances that make leasing make sense, but it there's an attitude of disposablity for which leasing is both a cause and an effect, and that can be harmful to consumers.
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It is about cash flow and taxes, mostly. And leasing is not really expensive - depending what you buy. I.e. a car producer will often subsidize the paymens. I pay very little for leasing which is not deprecation on both cars, the lease itself is just a couple of percent over the year. Seriously close to nothing.
In my case, my place of living makes it hard to deduct cars as business expense unless you have a financing operation going, preferably lease. Last car I bought cash and we spent 6 months arguing with the finance authorities.
Leaase the car and you do not only not have to spend all the money up front (moving CAPEX - Capital Expenses - to OPEX - Operating Expenses), i.e. I pay while I earn, I also suddenly have ZERO problems submitting the invoices. Significant difference. And yes, both cars actually are not intended to be replaced like that. I plan to buy them out after 5 years. Well, maybe I do replace them ;)
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That is an interesting perspective about business expenses. That said, it would not be the 'smart thing that no one does' that dealers claim it would be for an average person who may not have business tie ups to lease a car.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
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Well, but i f you buy new cars you an always negotiate a decent rebate AND a good lease - not significantly worse than taking a credit anyway. In europe car companies run their own banks to offer cheap financing ;)
– TomTom
2 days ago
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It is about cash flow and taxes, mostly. And leasing is not really expensive - depending what you buy. I.e. a car producer will often subsidize the paymens. I pay very little for leasing which is not deprecation on both cars, the lease itself is just a couple of percent over the year. Seriously close to nothing.
In my case, my place of living makes it hard to deduct cars as business expense unless you have a financing operation going, preferably lease. Last car I bought cash and we spent 6 months arguing with the finance authorities.
Leaase the car and you do not only not have to spend all the money up front (moving CAPEX - Capital Expenses - to OPEX - Operating Expenses), i.e. I pay while I earn, I also suddenly have ZERO problems submitting the invoices. Significant difference. And yes, both cars actually are not intended to be replaced like that. I plan to buy them out after 5 years. Well, maybe I do replace them ;)
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That is an interesting perspective about business expenses. That said, it would not be the 'smart thing that no one does' that dealers claim it would be for an average person who may not have business tie ups to lease a car.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
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Well, but i f you buy new cars you an always negotiate a decent rebate AND a good lease - not significantly worse than taking a credit anyway. In europe car companies run their own banks to offer cheap financing ;)
– TomTom
2 days ago
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It is about cash flow and taxes, mostly. And leasing is not really expensive - depending what you buy. I.e. a car producer will often subsidize the paymens. I pay very little for leasing which is not deprecation on both cars, the lease itself is just a couple of percent over the year. Seriously close to nothing.
In my case, my place of living makes it hard to deduct cars as business expense unless you have a financing operation going, preferably lease. Last car I bought cash and we spent 6 months arguing with the finance authorities.
Leaase the car and you do not only not have to spend all the money up front (moving CAPEX - Capital Expenses - to OPEX - Operating Expenses), i.e. I pay while I earn, I also suddenly have ZERO problems submitting the invoices. Significant difference. And yes, both cars actually are not intended to be replaced like that. I plan to buy them out after 5 years. Well, maybe I do replace them ;)
It is about cash flow and taxes, mostly. And leasing is not really expensive - depending what you buy. I.e. a car producer will often subsidize the paymens. I pay very little for leasing which is not deprecation on both cars, the lease itself is just a couple of percent over the year. Seriously close to nothing.
In my case, my place of living makes it hard to deduct cars as business expense unless you have a financing operation going, preferably lease. Last car I bought cash and we spent 6 months arguing with the finance authorities.
Leaase the car and you do not only not have to spend all the money up front (moving CAPEX - Capital Expenses - to OPEX - Operating Expenses), i.e. I pay while I earn, I also suddenly have ZERO problems submitting the invoices. Significant difference. And yes, both cars actually are not intended to be replaced like that. I plan to buy them out after 5 years. Well, maybe I do replace them ;)
answered 2 days ago
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That is an interesting perspective about business expenses. That said, it would not be the 'smart thing that no one does' that dealers claim it would be for an average person who may not have business tie ups to lease a car.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
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Well, but i f you buy new cars you an always negotiate a decent rebate AND a good lease - not significantly worse than taking a credit anyway. In europe car companies run their own banks to offer cheap financing ;)
– TomTom
2 days ago
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That is an interesting perspective about business expenses. That said, it would not be the 'smart thing that no one does' that dealers claim it would be for an average person who may not have business tie ups to lease a car.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
1
Well, but i f you buy new cars you an always negotiate a decent rebate AND a good lease - not significantly worse than taking a credit anyway. In europe car companies run their own banks to offer cheap financing ;)
– TomTom
2 days ago
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That is an interesting perspective about business expenses. That said, it would not be the 'smart thing that no one does' that dealers claim it would be for an average person who may not have business tie ups to lease a car.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
That is an interesting perspective about business expenses. That said, it would not be the 'smart thing that no one does' that dealers claim it would be for an average person who may not have business tie ups to lease a car.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
1
1
Well, but i f you buy new cars you an always negotiate a decent rebate AND a good lease - not significantly worse than taking a credit anyway. In europe car companies run their own banks to offer cheap financing ;)
– TomTom
2 days ago
Well, but i f you buy new cars you an always negotiate a decent rebate AND a good lease - not significantly worse than taking a credit anyway. In europe car companies run their own banks to offer cheap financing ;)
– TomTom
2 days ago
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It depends on what contract you choose and how it will affect your tax deducts.
Counting from "zero" (where zero is the time you lease the car) the expenses may be equal or higher to cost of buying used car (with the plus side you are the owner of the car you bought). It's usually lower to money spend on new car in the same period of time (with the downside you are the owner of the car you bought and still face expenses).
But in my opinion you should look at lease in much more wider perspective. Take the time of lease and count the money you spend on transportation in same period as the lease will last BEFORE signing.
I'll give you my example. 2 years lease worth 16,620. With all expenses calculated in (insurance, inspection, extra costs made during recalls). And great (IMHO) service pack. So free towing, same replacement car etc.
Now, in two years before the lease I've spend 15K on maintenance (so just to get the car moving). Plus around 2K on insurance, 300 on inspections, 1k on tires. With extra expenses on towing, lost time when car was in shop. Keep in mind that I was able to sell the car for the same price I bought so I didn't have loss on this (not always possible).
One could argue that next car wouldn't need so much money spend. But it's a gable. With leased car you are "protected". You don't have problems with a car. Leasing company does. With bought one (even new) you are the owner and you need to pay for anything extra that will happen.
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It depends on what contract you choose and how it will affect your tax deducts.
Counting from "zero" (where zero is the time you lease the car) the expenses may be equal or higher to cost of buying used car (with the plus side you are the owner of the car you bought). It's usually lower to money spend on new car in the same period of time (with the downside you are the owner of the car you bought and still face expenses).
But in my opinion you should look at lease in much more wider perspective. Take the time of lease and count the money you spend on transportation in same period as the lease will last BEFORE signing.
I'll give you my example. 2 years lease worth 16,620. With all expenses calculated in (insurance, inspection, extra costs made during recalls). And great (IMHO) service pack. So free towing, same replacement car etc.
Now, in two years before the lease I've spend 15K on maintenance (so just to get the car moving). Plus around 2K on insurance, 300 on inspections, 1k on tires. With extra expenses on towing, lost time when car was in shop. Keep in mind that I was able to sell the car for the same price I bought so I didn't have loss on this (not always possible).
One could argue that next car wouldn't need so much money spend. But it's a gable. With leased car you are "protected". You don't have problems with a car. Leasing company does. With bought one (even new) you are the owner and you need to pay for anything extra that will happen.
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It depends on what contract you choose and how it will affect your tax deducts.
Counting from "zero" (where zero is the time you lease the car) the expenses may be equal or higher to cost of buying used car (with the plus side you are the owner of the car you bought). It's usually lower to money spend on new car in the same period of time (with the downside you are the owner of the car you bought and still face expenses).
But in my opinion you should look at lease in much more wider perspective. Take the time of lease and count the money you spend on transportation in same period as the lease will last BEFORE signing.
I'll give you my example. 2 years lease worth 16,620. With all expenses calculated in (insurance, inspection, extra costs made during recalls). And great (IMHO) service pack. So free towing, same replacement car etc.
Now, in two years before the lease I've spend 15K on maintenance (so just to get the car moving). Plus around 2K on insurance, 300 on inspections, 1k on tires. With extra expenses on towing, lost time when car was in shop. Keep in mind that I was able to sell the car for the same price I bought so I didn't have loss on this (not always possible).
One could argue that next car wouldn't need so much money spend. But it's a gable. With leased car you are "protected". You don't have problems with a car. Leasing company does. With bought one (even new) you are the owner and you need to pay for anything extra that will happen.
It depends on what contract you choose and how it will affect your tax deducts.
Counting from "zero" (where zero is the time you lease the car) the expenses may be equal or higher to cost of buying used car (with the plus side you are the owner of the car you bought). It's usually lower to money spend on new car in the same period of time (with the downside you are the owner of the car you bought and still face expenses).
But in my opinion you should look at lease in much more wider perspective. Take the time of lease and count the money you spend on transportation in same period as the lease will last BEFORE signing.
I'll give you my example. 2 years lease worth 16,620. With all expenses calculated in (insurance, inspection, extra costs made during recalls). And great (IMHO) service pack. So free towing, same replacement car etc.
Now, in two years before the lease I've spend 15K on maintenance (so just to get the car moving). Plus around 2K on insurance, 300 on inspections, 1k on tires. With extra expenses on towing, lost time when car was in shop. Keep in mind that I was able to sell the car for the same price I bought so I didn't have loss on this (not always possible).
One could argue that next car wouldn't need so much money spend. But it's a gable. With leased car you are "protected". You don't have problems with a car. Leasing company does. With bought one (even new) you are the owner and you need to pay for anything extra that will happen.
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To say that leasing is better than buying (or vice versa) is a meaningless statement without knowing the details of the contract. The first obvious question is price. If you can buy a certain model car for $20,000, or lease it for $10,000 per month, buying is surely better. Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but that's my point. Without knowing the price in each case, you can't even begin to make a meaningful comparison.
In theory, you could compare by taking the cost to purchase, plus taxes and any expenses you would have over the life of the vehicle, minus the trade-in value; and then compare that to lease price times the number of months you expect to keep the car, plus any other expenses. The practical problem is that many of the relevant costs are unknown. I've seen lots of calculations for this sort of thing that blithely say "assuming that maintenance costs are zero ..." or some such very unlikely assumption.
Maintenance could be zero for a lease. "Free" oil changes and other regular service bundled into the price of the car, and any unexpected / irregular services covered under warranty.
– stannius
yesterday
@stannius Sure. And I suppose expenses like gas, parking, and tolls would be irrelevant as they would presumably be the same whether you buy or lease. So maybe the relevant "other expenses" for a lease is zero.
– Jay
yesterday
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To say that leasing is better than buying (or vice versa) is a meaningless statement without knowing the details of the contract. The first obvious question is price. If you can buy a certain model car for $20,000, or lease it for $10,000 per month, buying is surely better. Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but that's my point. Without knowing the price in each case, you can't even begin to make a meaningful comparison.
In theory, you could compare by taking the cost to purchase, plus taxes and any expenses you would have over the life of the vehicle, minus the trade-in value; and then compare that to lease price times the number of months you expect to keep the car, plus any other expenses. The practical problem is that many of the relevant costs are unknown. I've seen lots of calculations for this sort of thing that blithely say "assuming that maintenance costs are zero ..." or some such very unlikely assumption.
Maintenance could be zero for a lease. "Free" oil changes and other regular service bundled into the price of the car, and any unexpected / irregular services covered under warranty.
– stannius
yesterday
@stannius Sure. And I suppose expenses like gas, parking, and tolls would be irrelevant as they would presumably be the same whether you buy or lease. So maybe the relevant "other expenses" for a lease is zero.
– Jay
yesterday
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To say that leasing is better than buying (or vice versa) is a meaningless statement without knowing the details of the contract. The first obvious question is price. If you can buy a certain model car for $20,000, or lease it for $10,000 per month, buying is surely better. Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but that's my point. Without knowing the price in each case, you can't even begin to make a meaningful comparison.
In theory, you could compare by taking the cost to purchase, plus taxes and any expenses you would have over the life of the vehicle, minus the trade-in value; and then compare that to lease price times the number of months you expect to keep the car, plus any other expenses. The practical problem is that many of the relevant costs are unknown. I've seen lots of calculations for this sort of thing that blithely say "assuming that maintenance costs are zero ..." or some such very unlikely assumption.
To say that leasing is better than buying (or vice versa) is a meaningless statement without knowing the details of the contract. The first obvious question is price. If you can buy a certain model car for $20,000, or lease it for $10,000 per month, buying is surely better. Of course that's a ridiculous extreme, but that's my point. Without knowing the price in each case, you can't even begin to make a meaningful comparison.
In theory, you could compare by taking the cost to purchase, plus taxes and any expenses you would have over the life of the vehicle, minus the trade-in value; and then compare that to lease price times the number of months you expect to keep the car, plus any other expenses. The practical problem is that many of the relevant costs are unknown. I've seen lots of calculations for this sort of thing that blithely say "assuming that maintenance costs are zero ..." or some such very unlikely assumption.
answered 2 days ago
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Maintenance could be zero for a lease. "Free" oil changes and other regular service bundled into the price of the car, and any unexpected / irregular services covered under warranty.
– stannius
yesterday
@stannius Sure. And I suppose expenses like gas, parking, and tolls would be irrelevant as they would presumably be the same whether you buy or lease. So maybe the relevant "other expenses" for a lease is zero.
– Jay
yesterday
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Maintenance could be zero for a lease. "Free" oil changes and other regular service bundled into the price of the car, and any unexpected / irregular services covered under warranty.
– stannius
yesterday
@stannius Sure. And I suppose expenses like gas, parking, and tolls would be irrelevant as they would presumably be the same whether you buy or lease. So maybe the relevant "other expenses" for a lease is zero.
– Jay
yesterday
Maintenance could be zero for a lease. "Free" oil changes and other regular service bundled into the price of the car, and any unexpected / irregular services covered under warranty.
– stannius
yesterday
Maintenance could be zero for a lease. "Free" oil changes and other regular service bundled into the price of the car, and any unexpected / irregular services covered under warranty.
– stannius
yesterday
@stannius Sure. And I suppose expenses like gas, parking, and tolls would be irrelevant as they would presumably be the same whether you buy or lease. So maybe the relevant "other expenses" for a lease is zero.
– Jay
yesterday
@stannius Sure. And I suppose expenses like gas, parking, and tolls would be irrelevant as they would presumably be the same whether you buy or lease. So maybe the relevant "other expenses" for a lease is zero.
– Jay
yesterday
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Leasing a car is better for the sales person, so it is to their benefit to try to convince the customer that leasing is better for him, too. But it isn’t better for the customer, except in a few unusual circumstances.
– prl
2 days ago
Are you leasing for a busines or as a private person?
– some_coder
2 days ago
I am asking with respect to an individual. I suppose for businesses it may make better sense because they don't have to have an inventory and manage it, but I'm happy to learn something I may be missing even for businesses.
– perennial_noob
2 days ago
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I think there needs to be an utterly clear definition of "better" before anyone can answer this. Better in terms of long term (financial) cost? Better in terms of monthly cost to have a specific make/model? Better in terms of taking advantage of specific incentives? Better in terms of your tolerance for long term risk? Better in terms of your desire to actually own the vehicle after a certain number of years? Better in terms of the ease of disposing/trading the vehicle for a known amount after a known timeframe?
– dwizum
2 days ago
@perennial_noob - a very simple answer to your question is "In some cases there are tax advantages." As you imply, otherwise it's just a more convenient/luxurious way to do something, which costs more. It's as simple as that.
– Fattie
2 days ago