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Recently I played a game with White whose link is:
https://lichess.org/pAoAUp4O/white#42
and reached this position:
I am having a hard time finding why the moves I played next (22. Rxe8+? Rxe8 23. Bb2? ) are mistakes.
In particular, I am interested in knowing why on move 22, it is advisable to play Bb2 (something I find reasonable) and why on the next move, it is a mistake. Why the exchange of rooks makes such a move unsound? I brought the bishop to b2 because it occupies a nice diagonal and it defends my rook on a1 in case of an eventual check on h1 or g1 by the Black queen.
I can only come up with the fact that that with the Bishop on e3 (on move 23), I would be threatening the a7 pawn. However, I am not convinced that is the reason because such a threat can be easily dealt with by playing a6 or simply Bb6.
Besides, is the exchange of rooks (on move 22) wrong because there exists a stronger move or is it just a bad move in itself?
analysis bishops rooks
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Recently I played a game with White whose link is:
https://lichess.org/pAoAUp4O/white#42
and reached this position:
I am having a hard time finding why the moves I played next (22. Rxe8+? Rxe8 23. Bb2? ) are mistakes.
In particular, I am interested in knowing why on move 22, it is advisable to play Bb2 (something I find reasonable) and why on the next move, it is a mistake. Why the exchange of rooks makes such a move unsound? I brought the bishop to b2 because it occupies a nice diagonal and it defends my rook on a1 in case of an eventual check on h1 or g1 by the Black queen.
I can only come up with the fact that that with the Bishop on e3 (on move 23), I would be threatening the a7 pawn. However, I am not convinced that is the reason because such a threat can be easily dealt with by playing a6 or simply Bb6.
Besides, is the exchange of rooks (on move 22) wrong because there exists a stronger move or is it just a bad move in itself?
analysis bishops rooks
asked Jun 16 at 15:22
Maths64Maths64
5243 silver badges14 bronze badges
Just to make a note here, the a7 pawn for the current position is somewhat irrelevant. There are a lot more pressing concerns than winning a pawn at a7.
– Isac
Jun 17 at 22:17
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Recently I played a game with White whose link is:
https://lichess.org/pAoAUp4O/white#42
and reached this position:
I am having a hard time finding why the moves I played next (22. Rxe8+? Rxe8 23. Bb2? ) are mistakes.
In particular, I am interested in knowing why on move 22, it is advisable to play Bb2 (something I find reasonable) and why on the next move, it is a mistake. Why the exchange of rooks makes such a move unsound? I brought the bishop to b2 because it occupies a nice diagonal and it defends my rook on a1 in case of an eventual check on h1 or g1 by the Black queen.
I can only come up with the fact that that with the Bishop on e3 (on move 23), I would be threatening the a7 pawn. However, I am not convinced that is the reason because such a threat can be easily dealt with by playing a6 or simply Bb6.
Besides, is the exchange of rooks (on move 22) wrong because there exists a stronger move or is it just a bad move in itself?
analysis bishops rooks
asked Jun 16 at 15:22
Maths64Maths64
5243 silver badges14 bronze badges
Recently I played a game with White whose link is:
https://lichess.org/pAoAUp4O/white#42
and reached this position:
I am having a hard time finding why the moves I played next (22. Rxe8+? Rxe8 23. Bb2? ) are mistakes.
In particular, I am interested in knowing why on move 22, it is advisable to play Bb2 (something I find reasonable) and why on the next move, it is a mistake. Why the exchange of rooks makes such a move unsound? I brought the bishop to b2 because it occupies a nice diagonal and it defends my rook on a1 in case of an eventual check on h1 or g1 by the Black queen.
I can only come up with the fact that that with the Bishop on e3 (on move 23), I would be threatening the a7 pawn. However, I am not convinced that is the reason because such a threat can be easily dealt with by playing a6 or simply Bb6.
Besides, is the exchange of rooks (on move 22) wrong because there exists a stronger move or is it just a bad move in itself?
analysis bishops rooks
analysis bishops rooks
asked Jun 16 at 15:22
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asked Jun 16 at 15:22
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Just to make a note here, the a7 pawn for the current position is somewhat irrelevant. There are a lot more pressing concerns than winning a pawn at a7.
– Isac
Jun 17 at 22:17
add a comment |
Just to make a note here, the a7 pawn for the current position is somewhat irrelevant. There are a lot more pressing concerns than winning a pawn at a7.
– Isac
Jun 17 at 22:17
Just to make a note here, the a7 pawn for the current position is somewhat irrelevant. There are a lot more pressing concerns than winning a pawn at a7.
– Isac
Jun 17 at 22:17
Just to make a note here, the a7 pawn for the current position is somewhat irrelevant. There are a lot more pressing concerns than winning a pawn at a7.
– Isac
Jun 17 at 22:17
add a comment |
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In the diagrammed position you have a material advantage but Black's position is a little bit better because his rooks are connected and he has a safer king position. His immediate threat is RxR, when you have to retake with the king followed by Qg1+ and after you move Kd2 he will play Bb6 and the pressure around your king will become intense. You are paying for your backward development with you queenside rook and bishop playing no part.
Is the exchange of rooks (on move 22) wrong because there exists a
stronger move or is it just a bad move in itself?
It is a bad move in itself because when you play RxR you immediately give control of the e file to your opponent. While you have a rook on e1 you are contesting the open e file.
If instead you play Bb2 you connect the rooks, complete your development and threaten Nxg7 which looks winning. It is a very hard threat to meet. You can meet Re6 with RxR and then carry out your threat. Probably Black has to play Be5. Then you swap bishops and play Ne7+ followed by Nxd5 and Black is just going downhill.
This course of action is much less effective if you start by exchanging rooks and ceding the e file to black. If you try the same tactic with your rook on a1 then black can comfortably play Be5 and retake with the queen after a pretty much forced BxB. With your material advantage you should still win but only after a grovelling defence as it is Black with the initiative making the threats. One of which is just to rush the h pawn down the board.
answered Jun 16 at 17:04
Brian Towers♦Brian Towers
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Thanks for answering!
– Maths64
Jun 16 at 18:56
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Brian Towers' answer is excellent. I'll just add this: if you play Rxe8, you are effectively trading your e1-rook for your opponent's a8-rook. A glance at the position should show that your e1-rook is a lot more valuable than your opponent's a8-rook. It is currently already developed and participating in the game, while the a8-rook (like your a1-rook) is doing nothing.
For the same reason, after 22. Bb2, Black should not play 22...Rxe1+.
answered Jun 17 at 8:07
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This is exactly the right way to think about it.
– David Richerby
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In the diagrammed position you have a material advantage but Black's position is a little bit better because his rooks are connected and he has a safer king position. His immediate threat is RxR, when you have to retake with the king followed by Qg1+ and after you move Kd2 he will play Bb6 and the pressure around your king will become intense. You are paying for your backward development with you queenside rook and bishop playing no part.
Is the exchange of rooks (on move 22) wrong because there exists a
stronger move or is it just a bad move in itself?
It is a bad move in itself because when you play RxR you immediately give control of the e file to your opponent. While you have a rook on e1 you are contesting the open e file.
If instead you play Bb2 you connect the rooks, complete your development and threaten Nxg7 which looks winning. It is a very hard threat to meet. You can meet Re6 with RxR and then carry out your threat. Probably Black has to play Be5. Then you swap bishops and play Ne7+ followed by Nxd5 and Black is just going downhill.
This course of action is much less effective if you start by exchanging rooks and ceding the e file to black. If you try the same tactic with your rook on a1 then black can comfortably play Be5 and retake with the queen after a pretty much forced BxB. With your material advantage you should still win but only after a grovelling defence as it is Black with the initiative making the threats. One of which is just to rush the h pawn down the board.
answered Jun 16 at 17:04
Brian Towers♦Brian Towers
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Thanks for answering!
– Maths64
Jun 16 at 18:56
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In the diagrammed position you have a material advantage but Black's position is a little bit better because his rooks are connected and he has a safer king position. His immediate threat is RxR, when you have to retake with the king followed by Qg1+ and after you move Kd2 he will play Bb6 and the pressure around your king will become intense. You are paying for your backward development with you queenside rook and bishop playing no part.
Is the exchange of rooks (on move 22) wrong because there exists a
stronger move or is it just a bad move in itself?
It is a bad move in itself because when you play RxR you immediately give control of the e file to your opponent. While you have a rook on e1 you are contesting the open e file.
If instead you play Bb2 you connect the rooks, complete your development and threaten Nxg7 which looks winning. It is a very hard threat to meet. You can meet Re6 with RxR and then carry out your threat. Probably Black has to play Be5. Then you swap bishops and play Ne7+ followed by Nxd5 and Black is just going downhill.
This course of action is much less effective if you start by exchanging rooks and ceding the e file to black. If you try the same tactic with your rook on a1 then black can comfortably play Be5 and retake with the queen after a pretty much forced BxB. With your material advantage you should still win but only after a grovelling defence as it is Black with the initiative making the threats. One of which is just to rush the h pawn down the board.
answered Jun 16 at 17:04
Brian Towers♦Brian Towers
19k3 gold badges35 silver badges85 bronze badges
Thanks for answering!
– Maths64
Jun 16 at 18:56
add a comment |
In the diagrammed position you have a material advantage but Black's position is a little bit better because his rooks are connected and he has a safer king position. His immediate threat is RxR, when you have to retake with the king followed by Qg1+ and after you move Kd2 he will play Bb6 and the pressure around your king will become intense. You are paying for your backward development with you queenside rook and bishop playing no part.
Is the exchange of rooks (on move 22) wrong because there exists a
stronger move or is it just a bad move in itself?
It is a bad move in itself because when you play RxR you immediately give control of the e file to your opponent. While you have a rook on e1 you are contesting the open e file.
If instead you play Bb2 you connect the rooks, complete your development and threaten Nxg7 which looks winning. It is a very hard threat to meet. You can meet Re6 with RxR and then carry out your threat. Probably Black has to play Be5. Then you swap bishops and play Ne7+ followed by Nxd5 and Black is just going downhill.
This course of action is much less effective if you start by exchanging rooks and ceding the e file to black. If you try the same tactic with your rook on a1 then black can comfortably play Be5 and retake with the queen after a pretty much forced BxB. With your material advantage you should still win but only after a grovelling defence as it is Black with the initiative making the threats. One of which is just to rush the h pawn down the board.
answered Jun 16 at 17:04
Brian Towers♦Brian Towers
19k3 gold badges35 silver badges85 bronze badges
In the diagrammed position you have a material advantage but Black's position is a little bit better because his rooks are connected and he has a safer king position. His immediate threat is RxR, when you have to retake with the king followed by Qg1+ and after you move Kd2 he will play Bb6 and the pressure around your king will become intense. You are paying for your backward development with you queenside rook and bishop playing no part.
Is the exchange of rooks (on move 22) wrong because there exists a
stronger move or is it just a bad move in itself?
It is a bad move in itself because when you play RxR you immediately give control of the e file to your opponent. While you have a rook on e1 you are contesting the open e file.
If instead you play Bb2 you connect the rooks, complete your development and threaten Nxg7 which looks winning. It is a very hard threat to meet. You can meet Re6 with RxR and then carry out your threat. Probably Black has to play Be5. Then you swap bishops and play Ne7+ followed by Nxd5 and Black is just going downhill.
This course of action is much less effective if you start by exchanging rooks and ceding the e file to black. If you try the same tactic with your rook on a1 then black can comfortably play Be5 and retake with the queen after a pretty much forced BxB. With your material advantage you should still win but only after a grovelling defence as it is Black with the initiative making the threats. One of which is just to rush the h pawn down the board.
answered Jun 16 at 17:04
Brian Towers♦Brian Towers
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answered Jun 16 at 17:04
Brian Towers♦Brian Towers
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answered Jun 16 at 17:04
Brian Towers♦Brian Towers
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answered Jun 16 at 17:04
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Thanks for answering!
– Maths64
Jun 16 at 18:56
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Thanks for answering!
– Maths64
Jun 16 at 18:56
Thanks for answering!
– Maths64
Jun 16 at 18:56
Thanks for answering!
– Maths64
Jun 16 at 18:56
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Brian Towers' answer is excellent. I'll just add this: if you play Rxe8, you are effectively trading your e1-rook for your opponent's a8-rook. A glance at the position should show that your e1-rook is a lot more valuable than your opponent's a8-rook. It is currently already developed and participating in the game, while the a8-rook (like your a1-rook) is doing nothing.
For the same reason, after 22. Bb2, Black should not play 22...Rxe1+.
answered Jun 17 at 8:07
AllureAllure
2,2185 silver badges27 bronze badges
This is exactly the right way to think about it.
– David Richerby
Jun 17 at 14:49
add a comment |
Brian Towers' answer is excellent. I'll just add this: if you play Rxe8, you are effectively trading your e1-rook for your opponent's a8-rook. A glance at the position should show that your e1-rook is a lot more valuable than your opponent's a8-rook. It is currently already developed and participating in the game, while the a8-rook (like your a1-rook) is doing nothing.
For the same reason, after 22. Bb2, Black should not play 22...Rxe1+.
answered Jun 17 at 8:07
AllureAllure
2,2185 silver badges27 bronze badges
This is exactly the right way to think about it.
– David Richerby
Jun 17 at 14:49
add a comment |
Brian Towers' answer is excellent. I'll just add this: if you play Rxe8, you are effectively trading your e1-rook for your opponent's a8-rook. A glance at the position should show that your e1-rook is a lot more valuable than your opponent's a8-rook. It is currently already developed and participating in the game, while the a8-rook (like your a1-rook) is doing nothing.
For the same reason, after 22. Bb2, Black should not play 22...Rxe1+.
answered Jun 17 at 8:07
AllureAllure
2,2185 silver badges27 bronze badges
Brian Towers' answer is excellent. I'll just add this: if you play Rxe8, you are effectively trading your e1-rook for your opponent's a8-rook. A glance at the position should show that your e1-rook is a lot more valuable than your opponent's a8-rook. It is currently already developed and participating in the game, while the a8-rook (like your a1-rook) is doing nothing.
For the same reason, after 22. Bb2, Black should not play 22...Rxe1+.
answered Jun 17 at 8:07
AllureAllure
2,2185 silver badges27 bronze badges
answered Jun 17 at 8:07
AllureAllure
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answered Jun 17 at 8:07
AllureAllure
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answered Jun 17 at 8:07
AllureAllure
2,2185 silver badges27 bronze badges
2,2185 silver badges27 bronze badges
This is exactly the right way to think about it.
– David Richerby
Jun 17 at 14:49
add a comment |
This is exactly the right way to think about it.
– David Richerby
Jun 17 at 14:49
This is exactly the right way to think about it.
– David Richerby
Jun 17 at 14:49
This is exactly the right way to think about it.
– David Richerby
Jun 17 at 14:49
add a comment |
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Just to make a note here, the a7 pawn for the current position is somewhat irrelevant. There are a lot more pressing concerns than winning a pawn at a7.
– Isac
Jun 17 at 22:17