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Why did the Herschel Space Telescope need helium coolant?


How to calculate data rate of Voyager 1?What is the velocity distribution of the exhaust for a typical rocket engine?Would it be possible to build a probe that could operate at about 480 °C (900F degrees) without insulation?Where did the Herschel Space Telescope go in 2013?If a MarCO-type CubeSat were in orbit around Bennu, what kind of power would it need to communicate with the Deep Space Network?













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The Wikipedia entry says this




On 29 April 2013, ESA announced that Herschel's supply of liquid helium, used to cool the instruments and detectors on board, had been depleted, thus ending its mission.




Apparently this lead to the satellite going blind




The "blind" satellite is currently located about 1.5 million km from Earth on the planet's "night side".




Why did it need such coolant?










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    Inspired by answering this question



    The Wikipedia entry says this




    On 29 April 2013, ESA announced that Herschel's supply of liquid helium, used to cool the instruments and detectors on board, had been depleted, thus ending its mission.




    Apparently this lead to the satellite going blind




    The "blind" satellite is currently located about 1.5 million km from Earth on the planet's "night side".




    Why did it need such coolant?










    share|improve this question











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      $begingroup$


      Inspired by answering this question



      The Wikipedia entry says this




      On 29 April 2013, ESA announced that Herschel's supply of liquid helium, used to cool the instruments and detectors on board, had been depleted, thus ending its mission.




      Apparently this lead to the satellite going blind




      The "blind" satellite is currently located about 1.5 million km from Earth on the planet's "night side".




      Why did it need such coolant?










      share|improve this question











      $endgroup$




      Inspired by answering this question



      The Wikipedia entry says this




      On 29 April 2013, ESA announced that Herschel's supply of liquid helium, used to cool the instruments and detectors on board, had been depleted, thus ending its mission.




      Apparently this lead to the satellite going blind




      The "blind" satellite is currently located about 1.5 million km from Earth on the planet's "night side".




      Why did it need such coolant?







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          Imagine your telescope optics looked like this red-hot glass!



          enter image description here



          Herschel's instruments look at the world in the wavelength range of 55–672 µm. When plotted as a function of wavelength, the thermal spectrum of a black body peaks $ approx 5 k_mathrm B T$. The boiling point of liquid helium is 4.2 K. The peak wavelength for something at that temperature would then be given by



          $$lambda_mathrmmax = frach c5 k_mathrm B T.$$



          With Boltzman constant $k_mathrm B$ of about 1.381E-23 J/K and the Planck's constant of 6.626E-34 J s, the spectrum should peak at about 700 µm, so even if the optics were at liquid helium temperature it would be hard to see faint objects at longer wavelengths above the brightly glowing mirrors and optics.



          According to Wikipedia:




          The light reflected by the mirror was focused onto three instruments, whose detectors were kept at temperatures below 2 K (−271 °C). The instruments were cooled with over 2,300 litres (510 imp gal; 610 US gal) of liquid helium, boiling away in a near vacuum at a temperature of approximately 1.4 K (−272 °C). The supply of helium on board the spacecraft was a fundamental limit to the operational lifetime of the space observatory; it was originally expected to be operational for at least three years.




          • So they let the helium boil at very low pressure in order to bring its boiling point down to 1.4 K.


          • The main mirror was highly reflective in the infrared, which means its emissivity was low, probably down near 0.01. This helps reduce the emission even farther. According to the BBC's Herschel space telescope finishes mission the primary mirror was at about 90 K


          • For at least one of the instruments SPIRE internal mirrors and the sensors needed to be kept at 0.3 K. The refrigerator for that needed a cooling mass on its "hot side" and a slow boil-off of liquid helium provided such a sink.


          enter image description here




          The Herschel telescope had to be kept extremely cold to study its frigid targets




          Okay Cold, but Why Helium and not the Cold of Space?



          • Cooling to space is limited by the Cosmic microwave background, and its characteristic temperature is about 2.7 K. That's just not cold enough for the telescope's optics.


          • Also, while radiating into the cold of space theoretically provides a source for cooling besides liquid helium, this is pretty inefficient and all it takes is a short exposure to the hot Earth or a tiny bit of Sunlight to warm everything up dramatically, rendering Herschel at least temporarily blind.


          • Instead, with the current design, the cold optical system can be boxed in and carefully insulated, and the boil-off of the Helium vented to space carries the heat away.


          Further reading:



          • SPIRE – Spectral and Photometric Imaging Receiver

          • The Photodetector Array Camera and Spectrometer (PACS)
            for the Herschel Space Observatory

          • SPIRE - a bolometer instrument for FIRST

          enter image description here




          Herschel pictured the "cold cosmos" - places where gas and dust are coming together to form stars. Here, in the Rosette Nebula, in the constellation of Monoceros, a mass of new stars (bright spots) are just firing into life







          share|improve this answer











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            as far as I can tell helium refrigerants get down to 10-15K, well shy of that 3K target so glad I didn't post mine. Used to terrestrial IR Imagers that are working down near Nitrogen boiling point, not absolute zero so made some wrong assumptions.
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            – GremlinWranger
            Jun 4 at 12:41






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            @GremlinWranger Yes, closed-cycle helium cooling can get down to near the boiling point, as you say. Open cycle systems can get to 0.3K (as in Herschel), but to go lower (or remain closed-cycle) the best terrestrial system we have is the dilution refrigerator, but this critically requires gravity to provide the separation force for the He3/He4 isotopes. Closed-cycle dilution refrigerators for space applications are currently in development, but were not a practical option, presumably, when Herschel was being designed.
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            – J...
            Jun 4 at 16:57







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            @GremlinWranger An individual pulse tube refrigerator can get to ~10 K, but a multi-stage one can get below 4 K. MIRI on the JWST is planned to use a closed-cycle system including cryocoolers, the wiki page has a decent overview en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRI_(Mid-Infrared_Instrument)#Cryocooler
            $endgroup$
            – llama
            Jun 4 at 18:11






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            @J... He dilution refrigerators don't need gravity. They flew on the closely related Planck mission (same launch, same bus). One of the "highlights" of that mission was a critical shortage of He-3 right before launch.
            $endgroup$
            – user71659
            Jun 4 at 23:38







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            @user71659 Traditionally, they do if you close-cycle them, and due to the extreme cost of He-3, in terrestrial applications, they're usually run this way. The Planck cooler ran open-cycle (no gravity), which means it lasted about 30 months with the helium supply on board. That helium-3 was sacrificed to the void of space. Herschel didn't need sub-0.3K temperatures so other open-cycle methods were used that didn't need the very expensive He-3. New designs for closed-cycle He-3/4 separation exist which do not require gravity (capillary separation) but have not yet gone to space, afaik.
            $endgroup$
            – J...
            Jun 4 at 23:50



















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          Herschel was an infrared space telescope. According to this paper,




          the performance is expected to be not far from background-noise limited, with sensitivities (5σ in 1h) of ∼ 4 mJy or 3 − 20 × $10^−18$W/m$^2$, respectively.




          At most temperatures, the amount of heat radiated by the spacecraft itself would easily overwhelm the infrared signals it was supposed to detect.



          To reduce the thermal noise, the instruments were cooled with liquid helium. This practice is quite typical for other infrared instruments and for radio telescopes.






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            If you exclude the requirement for liquid He, cooling is used more broadly, Above the entry level, even consumer astrocams are normally equipped with a thermo-electric cooler that lets them operate several dozen degrees below ambient to reduce noise.
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          Imagine your telescope optics looked like this red-hot glass!



          enter image description here



          Herschel's instruments look at the world in the wavelength range of 55–672 µm. When plotted as a function of wavelength, the thermal spectrum of a black body peaks $ approx 5 k_mathrm B T$. The boiling point of liquid helium is 4.2 K. The peak wavelength for something at that temperature would then be given by



          $$lambda_mathrmmax = frach c5 k_mathrm B T.$$



          With Boltzman constant $k_mathrm B$ of about 1.381E-23 J/K and the Planck's constant of 6.626E-34 J s, the spectrum should peak at about 700 µm, so even if the optics were at liquid helium temperature it would be hard to see faint objects at longer wavelengths above the brightly glowing mirrors and optics.



          According to Wikipedia:




          The light reflected by the mirror was focused onto three instruments, whose detectors were kept at temperatures below 2 K (−271 °C). The instruments were cooled with over 2,300 litres (510 imp gal; 610 US gal) of liquid helium, boiling away in a near vacuum at a temperature of approximately 1.4 K (−272 °C). The supply of helium on board the spacecraft was a fundamental limit to the operational lifetime of the space observatory; it was originally expected to be operational for at least three years.




          • So they let the helium boil at very low pressure in order to bring its boiling point down to 1.4 K.


          • The main mirror was highly reflective in the infrared, which means its emissivity was low, probably down near 0.01. This helps reduce the emission even farther. According to the BBC's Herschel space telescope finishes mission the primary mirror was at about 90 K


          • For at least one of the instruments SPIRE internal mirrors and the sensors needed to be kept at 0.3 K. The refrigerator for that needed a cooling mass on its "hot side" and a slow boil-off of liquid helium provided such a sink.


          enter image description here




          The Herschel telescope had to be kept extremely cold to study its frigid targets




          Okay Cold, but Why Helium and not the Cold of Space?



          • Cooling to space is limited by the Cosmic microwave background, and its characteristic temperature is about 2.7 K. That's just not cold enough for the telescope's optics.


          • Also, while radiating into the cold of space theoretically provides a source for cooling besides liquid helium, this is pretty inefficient and all it takes is a short exposure to the hot Earth or a tiny bit of Sunlight to warm everything up dramatically, rendering Herschel at least temporarily blind.


          • Instead, with the current design, the cold optical system can be boxed in and carefully insulated, and the boil-off of the Helium vented to space carries the heat away.


          Further reading:



          • SPIRE – Spectral and Photometric Imaging Receiver

          • The Photodetector Array Camera and Spectrometer (PACS)
            for the Herschel Space Observatory

          • SPIRE - a bolometer instrument for FIRST

          enter image description here




          Herschel pictured the "cold cosmos" - places where gas and dust are coming together to form stars. Here, in the Rosette Nebula, in the constellation of Monoceros, a mass of new stars (bright spots) are just firing into life







          share|improve this answer











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            as far as I can tell helium refrigerants get down to 10-15K, well shy of that 3K target so glad I didn't post mine. Used to terrestrial IR Imagers that are working down near Nitrogen boiling point, not absolute zero so made some wrong assumptions.
            $endgroup$
            – GremlinWranger
            Jun 4 at 12:41






          • 5




            $begingroup$
            @GremlinWranger Yes, closed-cycle helium cooling can get down to near the boiling point, as you say. Open cycle systems can get to 0.3K (as in Herschel), but to go lower (or remain closed-cycle) the best terrestrial system we have is the dilution refrigerator, but this critically requires gravity to provide the separation force for the He3/He4 isotopes. Closed-cycle dilution refrigerators for space applications are currently in development, but were not a practical option, presumably, when Herschel was being designed.
            $endgroup$
            – J...
            Jun 4 at 16:57







          • 2




            $begingroup$
            @GremlinWranger An individual pulse tube refrigerator can get to ~10 K, but a multi-stage one can get below 4 K. MIRI on the JWST is planned to use a closed-cycle system including cryocoolers, the wiki page has a decent overview en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRI_(Mid-Infrared_Instrument)#Cryocooler
            $endgroup$
            – llama
            Jun 4 at 18:11






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @J... He dilution refrigerators don't need gravity. They flew on the closely related Planck mission (same launch, same bus). One of the "highlights" of that mission was a critical shortage of He-3 right before launch.
            $endgroup$
            – user71659
            Jun 4 at 23:38







          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @user71659 Traditionally, they do if you close-cycle them, and due to the extreme cost of He-3, in terrestrial applications, they're usually run this way. The Planck cooler ran open-cycle (no gravity), which means it lasted about 30 months with the helium supply on board. That helium-3 was sacrificed to the void of space. Herschel didn't need sub-0.3K temperatures so other open-cycle methods were used that didn't need the very expensive He-3. New designs for closed-cycle He-3/4 separation exist which do not require gravity (capillary separation) but have not yet gone to space, afaik.
            $endgroup$
            – J...
            Jun 4 at 23:50
















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          $begingroup$

          Imagine your telescope optics looked like this red-hot glass!



          enter image description here



          Herschel's instruments look at the world in the wavelength range of 55–672 µm. When plotted as a function of wavelength, the thermal spectrum of a black body peaks $ approx 5 k_mathrm B T$. The boiling point of liquid helium is 4.2 K. The peak wavelength for something at that temperature would then be given by



          $$lambda_mathrmmax = frach c5 k_mathrm B T.$$



          With Boltzman constant $k_mathrm B$ of about 1.381E-23 J/K and the Planck's constant of 6.626E-34 J s, the spectrum should peak at about 700 µm, so even if the optics were at liquid helium temperature it would be hard to see faint objects at longer wavelengths above the brightly glowing mirrors and optics.



          According to Wikipedia:




          The light reflected by the mirror was focused onto three instruments, whose detectors were kept at temperatures below 2 K (−271 °C). The instruments were cooled with over 2,300 litres (510 imp gal; 610 US gal) of liquid helium, boiling away in a near vacuum at a temperature of approximately 1.4 K (−272 °C). The supply of helium on board the spacecraft was a fundamental limit to the operational lifetime of the space observatory; it was originally expected to be operational for at least three years.




          • So they let the helium boil at very low pressure in order to bring its boiling point down to 1.4 K.


          • The main mirror was highly reflective in the infrared, which means its emissivity was low, probably down near 0.01. This helps reduce the emission even farther. According to the BBC's Herschel space telescope finishes mission the primary mirror was at about 90 K


          • For at least one of the instruments SPIRE internal mirrors and the sensors needed to be kept at 0.3 K. The refrigerator for that needed a cooling mass on its "hot side" and a slow boil-off of liquid helium provided such a sink.


          enter image description here




          The Herschel telescope had to be kept extremely cold to study its frigid targets




          Okay Cold, but Why Helium and not the Cold of Space?



          • Cooling to space is limited by the Cosmic microwave background, and its characteristic temperature is about 2.7 K. That's just not cold enough for the telescope's optics.


          • Also, while radiating into the cold of space theoretically provides a source for cooling besides liquid helium, this is pretty inefficient and all it takes is a short exposure to the hot Earth or a tiny bit of Sunlight to warm everything up dramatically, rendering Herschel at least temporarily blind.


          • Instead, with the current design, the cold optical system can be boxed in and carefully insulated, and the boil-off of the Helium vented to space carries the heat away.


          Further reading:



          • SPIRE – Spectral and Photometric Imaging Receiver

          • The Photodetector Array Camera and Spectrometer (PACS)
            for the Herschel Space Observatory

          • SPIRE - a bolometer instrument for FIRST

          enter image description here




          Herschel pictured the "cold cosmos" - places where gas and dust are coming together to form stars. Here, in the Rosette Nebula, in the constellation of Monoceros, a mass of new stars (bright spots) are just firing into life







          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$








          • 1




            $begingroup$
            as far as I can tell helium refrigerants get down to 10-15K, well shy of that 3K target so glad I didn't post mine. Used to terrestrial IR Imagers that are working down near Nitrogen boiling point, not absolute zero so made some wrong assumptions.
            $endgroup$
            – GremlinWranger
            Jun 4 at 12:41






          • 5




            $begingroup$
            @GremlinWranger Yes, closed-cycle helium cooling can get down to near the boiling point, as you say. Open cycle systems can get to 0.3K (as in Herschel), but to go lower (or remain closed-cycle) the best terrestrial system we have is the dilution refrigerator, but this critically requires gravity to provide the separation force for the He3/He4 isotopes. Closed-cycle dilution refrigerators for space applications are currently in development, but were not a practical option, presumably, when Herschel was being designed.
            $endgroup$
            – J...
            Jun 4 at 16:57







          • 2




            $begingroup$
            @GremlinWranger An individual pulse tube refrigerator can get to ~10 K, but a multi-stage one can get below 4 K. MIRI on the JWST is planned to use a closed-cycle system including cryocoolers, the wiki page has a decent overview en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRI_(Mid-Infrared_Instrument)#Cryocooler
            $endgroup$
            – llama
            Jun 4 at 18:11






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @J... He dilution refrigerators don't need gravity. They flew on the closely related Planck mission (same launch, same bus). One of the "highlights" of that mission was a critical shortage of He-3 right before launch.
            $endgroup$
            – user71659
            Jun 4 at 23:38







          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @user71659 Traditionally, they do if you close-cycle them, and due to the extreme cost of He-3, in terrestrial applications, they're usually run this way. The Planck cooler ran open-cycle (no gravity), which means it lasted about 30 months with the helium supply on board. That helium-3 was sacrificed to the void of space. Herschel didn't need sub-0.3K temperatures so other open-cycle methods were used that didn't need the very expensive He-3. New designs for closed-cycle He-3/4 separation exist which do not require gravity (capillary separation) but have not yet gone to space, afaik.
            $endgroup$
            – J...
            Jun 4 at 23:50














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          $begingroup$

          Imagine your telescope optics looked like this red-hot glass!



          enter image description here



          Herschel's instruments look at the world in the wavelength range of 55–672 µm. When plotted as a function of wavelength, the thermal spectrum of a black body peaks $ approx 5 k_mathrm B T$. The boiling point of liquid helium is 4.2 K. The peak wavelength for something at that temperature would then be given by



          $$lambda_mathrmmax = frach c5 k_mathrm B T.$$



          With Boltzman constant $k_mathrm B$ of about 1.381E-23 J/K and the Planck's constant of 6.626E-34 J s, the spectrum should peak at about 700 µm, so even if the optics were at liquid helium temperature it would be hard to see faint objects at longer wavelengths above the brightly glowing mirrors and optics.



          According to Wikipedia:




          The light reflected by the mirror was focused onto three instruments, whose detectors were kept at temperatures below 2 K (−271 °C). The instruments were cooled with over 2,300 litres (510 imp gal; 610 US gal) of liquid helium, boiling away in a near vacuum at a temperature of approximately 1.4 K (−272 °C). The supply of helium on board the spacecraft was a fundamental limit to the operational lifetime of the space observatory; it was originally expected to be operational for at least three years.




          • So they let the helium boil at very low pressure in order to bring its boiling point down to 1.4 K.


          • The main mirror was highly reflective in the infrared, which means its emissivity was low, probably down near 0.01. This helps reduce the emission even farther. According to the BBC's Herschel space telescope finishes mission the primary mirror was at about 90 K


          • For at least one of the instruments SPIRE internal mirrors and the sensors needed to be kept at 0.3 K. The refrigerator for that needed a cooling mass on its "hot side" and a slow boil-off of liquid helium provided such a sink.


          enter image description here




          The Herschel telescope had to be kept extremely cold to study its frigid targets




          Okay Cold, but Why Helium and not the Cold of Space?



          • Cooling to space is limited by the Cosmic microwave background, and its characteristic temperature is about 2.7 K. That's just not cold enough for the telescope's optics.


          • Also, while radiating into the cold of space theoretically provides a source for cooling besides liquid helium, this is pretty inefficient and all it takes is a short exposure to the hot Earth or a tiny bit of Sunlight to warm everything up dramatically, rendering Herschel at least temporarily blind.


          • Instead, with the current design, the cold optical system can be boxed in and carefully insulated, and the boil-off of the Helium vented to space carries the heat away.


          Further reading:



          • SPIRE – Spectral and Photometric Imaging Receiver

          • The Photodetector Array Camera and Spectrometer (PACS)
            for the Herschel Space Observatory

          • SPIRE - a bolometer instrument for FIRST

          enter image description here




          Herschel pictured the "cold cosmos" - places where gas and dust are coming together to form stars. Here, in the Rosette Nebula, in the constellation of Monoceros, a mass of new stars (bright spots) are just firing into life







          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          Imagine your telescope optics looked like this red-hot glass!



          enter image description here



          Herschel's instruments look at the world in the wavelength range of 55–672 µm. When plotted as a function of wavelength, the thermal spectrum of a black body peaks $ approx 5 k_mathrm B T$. The boiling point of liquid helium is 4.2 K. The peak wavelength for something at that temperature would then be given by



          $$lambda_mathrmmax = frach c5 k_mathrm B T.$$



          With Boltzman constant $k_mathrm B$ of about 1.381E-23 J/K and the Planck's constant of 6.626E-34 J s, the spectrum should peak at about 700 µm, so even if the optics were at liquid helium temperature it would be hard to see faint objects at longer wavelengths above the brightly glowing mirrors and optics.



          According to Wikipedia:




          The light reflected by the mirror was focused onto three instruments, whose detectors were kept at temperatures below 2 K (−271 °C). The instruments were cooled with over 2,300 litres (510 imp gal; 610 US gal) of liquid helium, boiling away in a near vacuum at a temperature of approximately 1.4 K (−272 °C). The supply of helium on board the spacecraft was a fundamental limit to the operational lifetime of the space observatory; it was originally expected to be operational for at least three years.




          • So they let the helium boil at very low pressure in order to bring its boiling point down to 1.4 K.


          • The main mirror was highly reflective in the infrared, which means its emissivity was low, probably down near 0.01. This helps reduce the emission even farther. According to the BBC's Herschel space telescope finishes mission the primary mirror was at about 90 K


          • For at least one of the instruments SPIRE internal mirrors and the sensors needed to be kept at 0.3 K. The refrigerator for that needed a cooling mass on its "hot side" and a slow boil-off of liquid helium provided such a sink.


          enter image description here




          The Herschel telescope had to be kept extremely cold to study its frigid targets




          Okay Cold, but Why Helium and not the Cold of Space?



          • Cooling to space is limited by the Cosmic microwave background, and its characteristic temperature is about 2.7 K. That's just not cold enough for the telescope's optics.


          • Also, while radiating into the cold of space theoretically provides a source for cooling besides liquid helium, this is pretty inefficient and all it takes is a short exposure to the hot Earth or a tiny bit of Sunlight to warm everything up dramatically, rendering Herschel at least temporarily blind.


          • Instead, with the current design, the cold optical system can be boxed in and carefully insulated, and the boil-off of the Helium vented to space carries the heat away.


          Further reading:



          • SPIRE – Spectral and Photometric Imaging Receiver

          • The Photodetector Array Camera and Spectrometer (PACS)
            for the Herschel Space Observatory

          • SPIRE - a bolometer instrument for FIRST

          enter image description here




          Herschel pictured the "cold cosmos" - places where gas and dust are coming together to form stars. Here, in the Rosette Nebula, in the constellation of Monoceros, a mass of new stars (bright spots) are just firing into life








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            as far as I can tell helium refrigerants get down to 10-15K, well shy of that 3K target so glad I didn't post mine. Used to terrestrial IR Imagers that are working down near Nitrogen boiling point, not absolute zero so made some wrong assumptions.
            $endgroup$
            – GremlinWranger
            Jun 4 at 12:41






          • 5




            $begingroup$
            @GremlinWranger Yes, closed-cycle helium cooling can get down to near the boiling point, as you say. Open cycle systems can get to 0.3K (as in Herschel), but to go lower (or remain closed-cycle) the best terrestrial system we have is the dilution refrigerator, but this critically requires gravity to provide the separation force for the He3/He4 isotopes. Closed-cycle dilution refrigerators for space applications are currently in development, but were not a practical option, presumably, when Herschel was being designed.
            $endgroup$
            – J...
            Jun 4 at 16:57







          • 2




            $begingroup$
            @GremlinWranger An individual pulse tube refrigerator can get to ~10 K, but a multi-stage one can get below 4 K. MIRI on the JWST is planned to use a closed-cycle system including cryocoolers, the wiki page has a decent overview en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRI_(Mid-Infrared_Instrument)#Cryocooler
            $endgroup$
            – llama
            Jun 4 at 18:11






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @J... He dilution refrigerators don't need gravity. They flew on the closely related Planck mission (same launch, same bus). One of the "highlights" of that mission was a critical shortage of He-3 right before launch.
            $endgroup$
            – user71659
            Jun 4 at 23:38







          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @user71659 Traditionally, they do if you close-cycle them, and due to the extreme cost of He-3, in terrestrial applications, they're usually run this way. The Planck cooler ran open-cycle (no gravity), which means it lasted about 30 months with the helium supply on board. That helium-3 was sacrificed to the void of space. Herschel didn't need sub-0.3K temperatures so other open-cycle methods were used that didn't need the very expensive He-3. New designs for closed-cycle He-3/4 separation exist which do not require gravity (capillary separation) but have not yet gone to space, afaik.
            $endgroup$
            – J...
            Jun 4 at 23:50













          • 1




            $begingroup$
            as far as I can tell helium refrigerants get down to 10-15K, well shy of that 3K target so glad I didn't post mine. Used to terrestrial IR Imagers that are working down near Nitrogen boiling point, not absolute zero so made some wrong assumptions.
            $endgroup$
            – GremlinWranger
            Jun 4 at 12:41






          • 5




            $begingroup$
            @GremlinWranger Yes, closed-cycle helium cooling can get down to near the boiling point, as you say. Open cycle systems can get to 0.3K (as in Herschel), but to go lower (or remain closed-cycle) the best terrestrial system we have is the dilution refrigerator, but this critically requires gravity to provide the separation force for the He3/He4 isotopes. Closed-cycle dilution refrigerators for space applications are currently in development, but were not a practical option, presumably, when Herschel was being designed.
            $endgroup$
            – J...
            Jun 4 at 16:57







          • 2




            $begingroup$
            @GremlinWranger An individual pulse tube refrigerator can get to ~10 K, but a multi-stage one can get below 4 K. MIRI on the JWST is planned to use a closed-cycle system including cryocoolers, the wiki page has a decent overview en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRI_(Mid-Infrared_Instrument)#Cryocooler
            $endgroup$
            – llama
            Jun 4 at 18:11






          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @J... He dilution refrigerators don't need gravity. They flew on the closely related Planck mission (same launch, same bus). One of the "highlights" of that mission was a critical shortage of He-3 right before launch.
            $endgroup$
            – user71659
            Jun 4 at 23:38







          • 1




            $begingroup$
            @user71659 Traditionally, they do if you close-cycle them, and due to the extreme cost of He-3, in terrestrial applications, they're usually run this way. The Planck cooler ran open-cycle (no gravity), which means it lasted about 30 months with the helium supply on board. That helium-3 was sacrificed to the void of space. Herschel didn't need sub-0.3K temperatures so other open-cycle methods were used that didn't need the very expensive He-3. New designs for closed-cycle He-3/4 separation exist which do not require gravity (capillary separation) but have not yet gone to space, afaik.
            $endgroup$
            – J...
            Jun 4 at 23:50








          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          as far as I can tell helium refrigerants get down to 10-15K, well shy of that 3K target so glad I didn't post mine. Used to terrestrial IR Imagers that are working down near Nitrogen boiling point, not absolute zero so made some wrong assumptions.
          $endgroup$
          – GremlinWranger
          Jun 4 at 12:41




          $begingroup$
          as far as I can tell helium refrigerants get down to 10-15K, well shy of that 3K target so glad I didn't post mine. Used to terrestrial IR Imagers that are working down near Nitrogen boiling point, not absolute zero so made some wrong assumptions.
          $endgroup$
          – GremlinWranger
          Jun 4 at 12:41




          5




          5




          $begingroup$
          @GremlinWranger Yes, closed-cycle helium cooling can get down to near the boiling point, as you say. Open cycle systems can get to 0.3K (as in Herschel), but to go lower (or remain closed-cycle) the best terrestrial system we have is the dilution refrigerator, but this critically requires gravity to provide the separation force for the He3/He4 isotopes. Closed-cycle dilution refrigerators for space applications are currently in development, but were not a practical option, presumably, when Herschel was being designed.
          $endgroup$
          – J...
          Jun 4 at 16:57





          $begingroup$
          @GremlinWranger Yes, closed-cycle helium cooling can get down to near the boiling point, as you say. Open cycle systems can get to 0.3K (as in Herschel), but to go lower (or remain closed-cycle) the best terrestrial system we have is the dilution refrigerator, but this critically requires gravity to provide the separation force for the He3/He4 isotopes. Closed-cycle dilution refrigerators for space applications are currently in development, but were not a practical option, presumably, when Herschel was being designed.
          $endgroup$
          – J...
          Jun 4 at 16:57





          2




          2




          $begingroup$
          @GremlinWranger An individual pulse tube refrigerator can get to ~10 K, but a multi-stage one can get below 4 K. MIRI on the JWST is planned to use a closed-cycle system including cryocoolers, the wiki page has a decent overview en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRI_(Mid-Infrared_Instrument)#Cryocooler
          $endgroup$
          – llama
          Jun 4 at 18:11




          $begingroup$
          @GremlinWranger An individual pulse tube refrigerator can get to ~10 K, but a multi-stage one can get below 4 K. MIRI on the JWST is planned to use a closed-cycle system including cryocoolers, the wiki page has a decent overview en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIRI_(Mid-Infrared_Instrument)#Cryocooler
          $endgroup$
          – llama
          Jun 4 at 18:11




          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          @J... He dilution refrigerators don't need gravity. They flew on the closely related Planck mission (same launch, same bus). One of the "highlights" of that mission was a critical shortage of He-3 right before launch.
          $endgroup$
          – user71659
          Jun 4 at 23:38





          $begingroup$
          @J... He dilution refrigerators don't need gravity. They flew on the closely related Planck mission (same launch, same bus). One of the "highlights" of that mission was a critical shortage of He-3 right before launch.
          $endgroup$
          – user71659
          Jun 4 at 23:38





          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          @user71659 Traditionally, they do if you close-cycle them, and due to the extreme cost of He-3, in terrestrial applications, they're usually run this way. The Planck cooler ran open-cycle (no gravity), which means it lasted about 30 months with the helium supply on board. That helium-3 was sacrificed to the void of space. Herschel didn't need sub-0.3K temperatures so other open-cycle methods were used that didn't need the very expensive He-3. New designs for closed-cycle He-3/4 separation exist which do not require gravity (capillary separation) but have not yet gone to space, afaik.
          $endgroup$
          – J...
          Jun 4 at 23:50





          $begingroup$
          @user71659 Traditionally, they do if you close-cycle them, and due to the extreme cost of He-3, in terrestrial applications, they're usually run this way. The Planck cooler ran open-cycle (no gravity), which means it lasted about 30 months with the helium supply on board. That helium-3 was sacrificed to the void of space. Herschel didn't need sub-0.3K temperatures so other open-cycle methods were used that didn't need the very expensive He-3. New designs for closed-cycle He-3/4 separation exist which do not require gravity (capillary separation) but have not yet gone to space, afaik.
          $endgroup$
          – J...
          Jun 4 at 23:50












          12












          $begingroup$

          Herschel was an infrared space telescope. According to this paper,




          the performance is expected to be not far from background-noise limited, with sensitivities (5σ in 1h) of ∼ 4 mJy or 3 − 20 × $10^−18$W/m$^2$, respectively.




          At most temperatures, the amount of heat radiated by the spacecraft itself would easily overwhelm the infrared signals it was supposed to detect.



          To reduce the thermal noise, the instruments were cooled with liquid helium. This practice is quite typical for other infrared instruments and for radio telescopes.






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            $begingroup$
            If you exclude the requirement for liquid He, cooling is used more broadly, Above the entry level, even consumer astrocams are normally equipped with a thermo-electric cooler that lets them operate several dozen degrees below ambient to reduce noise.
            $endgroup$
            – Dan Neely
            Jun 4 at 16:05















          12












          $begingroup$

          Herschel was an infrared space telescope. According to this paper,




          the performance is expected to be not far from background-noise limited, with sensitivities (5σ in 1h) of ∼ 4 mJy or 3 − 20 × $10^−18$W/m$^2$, respectively.




          At most temperatures, the amount of heat radiated by the spacecraft itself would easily overwhelm the infrared signals it was supposed to detect.



          To reduce the thermal noise, the instruments were cooled with liquid helium. This practice is quite typical for other infrared instruments and for radio telescopes.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$








          • 1




            $begingroup$
            If you exclude the requirement for liquid He, cooling is used more broadly, Above the entry level, even consumer astrocams are normally equipped with a thermo-electric cooler that lets them operate several dozen degrees below ambient to reduce noise.
            $endgroup$
            – Dan Neely
            Jun 4 at 16:05













          12












          12








          12





          $begingroup$

          Herschel was an infrared space telescope. According to this paper,




          the performance is expected to be not far from background-noise limited, with sensitivities (5σ in 1h) of ∼ 4 mJy or 3 − 20 × $10^−18$W/m$^2$, respectively.




          At most temperatures, the amount of heat radiated by the spacecraft itself would easily overwhelm the infrared signals it was supposed to detect.



          To reduce the thermal noise, the instruments were cooled with liquid helium. This practice is quite typical for other infrared instruments and for radio telescopes.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          Herschel was an infrared space telescope. According to this paper,




          the performance is expected to be not far from background-noise limited, with sensitivities (5σ in 1h) of ∼ 4 mJy or 3 − 20 × $10^−18$W/m$^2$, respectively.




          At most temperatures, the amount of heat radiated by the spacecraft itself would easily overwhelm the infrared signals it was supposed to detect.



          To reduce the thermal noise, the instruments were cooled with liquid helium. This practice is quite typical for other infrared instruments and for radio telescopes.







          share|improve this answer














          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer








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          • 1




            $begingroup$
            If you exclude the requirement for liquid He, cooling is used more broadly, Above the entry level, even consumer astrocams are normally equipped with a thermo-electric cooler that lets them operate several dozen degrees below ambient to reduce noise.
            $endgroup$
            – Dan Neely
            Jun 4 at 16:05












          • 1




            $begingroup$
            If you exclude the requirement for liquid He, cooling is used more broadly, Above the entry level, even consumer astrocams are normally equipped with a thermo-electric cooler that lets them operate several dozen degrees below ambient to reduce noise.
            $endgroup$
            – Dan Neely
            Jun 4 at 16:05







          1




          1




          $begingroup$
          If you exclude the requirement for liquid He, cooling is used more broadly, Above the entry level, even consumer astrocams are normally equipped with a thermo-electric cooler that lets them operate several dozen degrees below ambient to reduce noise.
          $endgroup$
          – Dan Neely
          Jun 4 at 16:05




          $begingroup$
          If you exclude the requirement for liquid He, cooling is used more broadly, Above the entry level, even consumer astrocams are normally equipped with a thermo-electric cooler that lets them operate several dozen degrees below ambient to reduce noise.
          $endgroup$
          – Dan Neely
          Jun 4 at 16:05

















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