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What is the fastest method to figure out which keys contain certain notes? [closed]


How to know what notes will go together while improvising?How many (major and minor) keys are there? Why?Figuring out the difference between major and relative minor scales?Is i-V a stronger progression than I-V?Exhaustive list of chord (at least triad and dom7) functions for a software ear training toolUnderstanding the claim - “If composers want sad music, they use those two notes” [B&C]Asymmetric ease of improvisation during modulationWhat key is a piece in if an augmented chord is used as a dominant?What should I learn? What´s next?What is the chord progression and also the technique used in this rock riff?













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What is the fastest method to mentally compute which major and minor keys contain a certain note (or notes).



That is, with minimal memorization such that a beginner can learn it.



For example which major and minor keys contain a "C" note?



(For those who don't know and want to try and figure out a method:
The majors are G, C, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, Db.
The minors are Em, Am, Dm, Gm, Cm, Fm, Bbm. The relative minors of each of the majors.)










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    Is this for playing, composing, musicology, ...? I'm thinking, for what practical purpose would one need to list the complete set of possible keys.

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    Every person has their own methodology for memorization and analysis. But I'm more interested in why you would want to know such a strange thing? It seems a very difficult way to determine the key of a melody or chord sequence.

    – Carl Witthoft
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  • Fastest? Might be this page pianoscales.org/major.html - not the best, tho.

    – AJFaraday
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  • Addressing the edit: the key of Dm will not have a C note if the harmonic minor is used (as it commonly is).

    – Tom Serb
    Jun 4 at 15:25















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What is the fastest method to mentally compute which major and minor keys contain a certain note (or notes).



That is, with minimal memorization such that a beginner can learn it.



For example which major and minor keys contain a "C" note?



(For those who don't know and want to try and figure out a method:
The majors are G, C, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, Db.
The minors are Em, Am, Dm, Gm, Cm, Fm, Bbm. The relative minors of each of the majors.)










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    Is this for playing, composing, musicology, ...? I'm thinking, for what practical purpose would one need to list the complete set of possible keys.

    – piiperi
    Jun 4 at 5:47






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    Every person has their own methodology for memorization and analysis. But I'm more interested in why you would want to know such a strange thing? It seems a very difficult way to determine the key of a melody or chord sequence.

    – Carl Witthoft
    Jun 4 at 12:36











  • Fastest? Might be this page pianoscales.org/major.html - not the best, tho.

    – AJFaraday
    Jun 4 at 13:33











  • Addressing the edit: the key of Dm will not have a C note if the harmonic minor is used (as it commonly is).

    – Tom Serb
    Jun 4 at 15:25













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What is the fastest method to mentally compute which major and minor keys contain a certain note (or notes).



That is, with minimal memorization such that a beginner can learn it.



For example which major and minor keys contain a "C" note?



(For those who don't know and want to try and figure out a method:
The majors are G, C, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, Db.
The minors are Em, Am, Dm, Gm, Cm, Fm, Bbm. The relative minors of each of the majors.)










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What is the fastest method to mentally compute which major and minor keys contain a certain note (or notes).



That is, with minimal memorization such that a beginner can learn it.



For example which major and minor keys contain a "C" note?



(For those who don't know and want to try and figure out a method:
The majors are G, C, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, Db.
The minors are Em, Am, Dm, Gm, Cm, Fm, Bbm. The relative minors of each of the majors.)







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    Is this for playing, composing, musicology, ...? I'm thinking, for what practical purpose would one need to list the complete set of possible keys.

    – piiperi
    Jun 4 at 5:47






  • 2





    Every person has their own methodology for memorization and analysis. But I'm more interested in why you would want to know such a strange thing? It seems a very difficult way to determine the key of a melody or chord sequence.

    – Carl Witthoft
    Jun 4 at 12:36











  • Fastest? Might be this page pianoscales.org/major.html - not the best, tho.

    – AJFaraday
    Jun 4 at 13:33











  • Addressing the edit: the key of Dm will not have a C note if the harmonic minor is used (as it commonly is).

    – Tom Serb
    Jun 4 at 15:25












  • 2





    Is this for playing, composing, musicology, ...? I'm thinking, for what practical purpose would one need to list the complete set of possible keys.

    – piiperi
    Jun 4 at 5:47






  • 2





    Every person has their own methodology for memorization and analysis. But I'm more interested in why you would want to know such a strange thing? It seems a very difficult way to determine the key of a melody or chord sequence.

    – Carl Witthoft
    Jun 4 at 12:36











  • Fastest? Might be this page pianoscales.org/major.html - not the best, tho.

    – AJFaraday
    Jun 4 at 13:33











  • Addressing the edit: the key of Dm will not have a C note if the harmonic minor is used (as it commonly is).

    – Tom Serb
    Jun 4 at 15:25







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Is this for playing, composing, musicology, ...? I'm thinking, for what practical purpose would one need to list the complete set of possible keys.

– piiperi
Jun 4 at 5:47





Is this for playing, composing, musicology, ...? I'm thinking, for what practical purpose would one need to list the complete set of possible keys.

– piiperi
Jun 4 at 5:47




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Every person has their own methodology for memorization and analysis. But I'm more interested in why you would want to know such a strange thing? It seems a very difficult way to determine the key of a melody or chord sequence.

– Carl Witthoft
Jun 4 at 12:36





Every person has their own methodology for memorization and analysis. But I'm more interested in why you would want to know such a strange thing? It seems a very difficult way to determine the key of a melody or chord sequence.

– Carl Witthoft
Jun 4 at 12:36













Fastest? Might be this page pianoscales.org/major.html - not the best, tho.

– AJFaraday
Jun 4 at 13:33





Fastest? Might be this page pianoscales.org/major.html - not the best, tho.

– AJFaraday
Jun 4 at 13:33













Addressing the edit: the key of Dm will not have a C note if the harmonic minor is used (as it commonly is).

– Tom Serb
Jun 4 at 15:25





Addressing the edit: the key of Dm will not have a C note if the harmonic minor is used (as it commonly is).

– Tom Serb
Jun 4 at 15:25










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(Note: this answer was given before the word "beginner" was edited into the question.)




Given a pitch, that pitch is a member of every major scale whose tonic is in the original pitch's Phrygian scale.




In other words, C is a member of every major scale whose tonic is in the C-Phrygian scale: C–D♭–E♭–F–G–A♭–B♭.




Given a pitch, that pitch is a member of every minor scale whose tonic is in the original pitches Mixolydian scale.




In other words, C is a member of every minor scale whose tonic is in the C-Mixolydian scale: C–D–E–F–G–A–B♭.



But even that's memorizing something, isn't it? :-)






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    That's certainly fast but how did you compute the Phrygian scale so quickly? (otherwise you had it memorized?)

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    Not knocking your answer, (+1) but by the time someone has reached the point where they understand modes, they are probably aware of all the scales (maj/nat min) that contain specific notes. Would it be simpler to say all keys with C in them have their roots in Ab maj? In other words, the formula is X minus M3 for the key. I understand why you chose modes - they have the same root note.

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    Nice answer. Still can't see what this knowledge helps with though.

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    Clever trick. But as others have intimated here, even this shortcut requires some knowledge of the way keys are structured. There's no substitute for simply understanding the structure- which is after all not all that complicated- to the point where you can figure out everything from scratch.

    – Scott Wallace
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    @JimM The knowledge, of what notes are in what keys, helps one think musically so you can write music.

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If you want a method that is useful to beginners and that doesn't require additional memorization, I suggest mirroring the way the major and minor scales are constructed, which I assume a beginner will have learnt.



Example of scales containing the note C



Iterate over the whole/half tone steps of the major and minor scale, starting from the note that the keys should contain, but go down in pitch instead of up. For the major scale the whole/half tone sequence is:




whole-whole-half-whole-whole-whole-half




and starting e.g. on C that gives you:




C → Bb → Ab → G → F → Eb → Db → C




For the minor scale the whole/half tone sequence is:




whole-half-whole-whole-half-whole-whole




and starting e.g. on C that gives you:




Cm → Bbm → Am → Gm → Fm → Em → Dm → Cm




This also works for the melodic and harmonic minor, and other scales.



The mirrored whole/half tone sequences are indeed the Phrygian and Myxolydian modes, as explained in Richard's answer. However, I assume that that would be too advanced for the beginner mentioned in the question.






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    1. Start with the note you want to compute against (C).

    2. Go down a perfect 4th (G). Assign G a count of 1.

    3. Count up in 4ths adding 1 to the count until you get to 7: G C F Bb Eb Ab Db.

    Those notes and their relative minors are the major and minor scales that contain C.



    Edit: I use this information all the time. It's super useful for harmonization/reharmonization, especially for same-top-note progressions (where you keep the top note steady and shift the harmony underneath, kind of like Robert Glasper).






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      I think the fastest way would be to memorize all the key signatures.



      In your example you ask which keys contain the note C... that would be all major keys that don't have C# or Cb in the key signature: C, G, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, and Db.



      Minor keys are a trickier, because there are a number of minor scales. If you're just looking at natural minors, they're the ones that share the same key signature as the majors: Am, Em, Dm, Gm, Cm, Fm, and Bbm.



      For harmonic minors you'd exclude the ones where C is the subtonic (D minor) and include any where Cb is the subtonic (which would be Db minor, with eight flats).






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        The point is trying for no memorization.

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      Beginner version of Richard's answer that doesn't require knowledge of modes, based on Tim's comment.



      The major keys that contain C start with the notes from the A♭ major scale (same notes as C Phrygian): A♭ B♭ C D♭ E♭ F G



      The (natural) minor keys that contain C start with the notes from the F major scale (same notes as C Mixolydian). F G A B♭ C D E



      In general, the major keys are from the major scale that starts with the note a major third down from the note you want (or a minor sixth up). The minor keys are from the scale that starts with the note a perfect fourth up (or a perfect fifth down).



      This method requires the major scales to be memorized, and knowing intervals.






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      • Very nice first answer! Welcome to the site!

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      • e.g., I want keys with B. Major: Step 1. Down a M3 (W+W) to get G. Step 2. G Major notes = ABCDEF#G = keys that have "B". Minor: Step 1. Up a P4 (W+W+H) to get E. Step 2. E Major notes = ABC#D#EF#G# = natural minor keys that have "B". Nice!

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      Everyone knows the major scale goes Tone Tone Semitone, Tone Tone Tone Semitone. But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths.



      The most important interval in music is the octave (12 semitones.) The second most important is the perfect fifth (7 semitones.) The diatonic scale is built from a series of six stacked fifths, which is why it has a total of six chords with perfect fifths available in it (three major and three minor.)



      Below is the circle of fifths opened up and arranged in a zigzag




      Gb Ab Bb C D E F# G# A#
      Cb Db Eb F G A B C# D# E#


      A couple of examples:



      The notes of the key of C major are F C G D A E B or alternatively C D E on the top line and F G A B on the bottom line.



      The notes of Db major are Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C alternatively Db Eb F on the bottom line and Gb Ab Bb C on the top line.



      Note: as you are looking for minimal memorization its worth noting that the above diagram can be made by writing out two whole-tone scales one above the other with an appropriate shift. This is a good way of constructing the diagram, but does not explain what is going on.



      Steelpan and the circle of fifths



      In order to avoid dissonant notes being close together, the notes on the Steelpan are arranged in a circle of fifths. This means all the notes of any given key are grouped together. To my knowledge it is the only instrument that uses this layout and the diagrams linked below are simpler and perhaps clearer than the wikipedia article linked above.



      https://www.steeldrumshop.com/content/C%20Lead_w_range.pdf
      http://www.trianglesteelbands.com/background/pan-technology.html



      For example C is at the bottom (6 O'clock position) and all the notes of the key of C major are grouped from 1 O'clock to 7 O'clock. Bb is at the 8 O'clock position and the notes of Bb Major are grouped from 3 O'clock to 9 O'clock.



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      • Beginners don't know that and that's whom the question is intended for. "But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths." Ok, why is it (so common).

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      • @RandyZeitman Well, I learned tone tone semitone, tone tone tone semitone long before I learned about the circle of fifths (you can see it just by looking at a piano.) It was much later that I discovered the diatonic scale was composed of stacked 5ths, for example on the natural notes: F-C (features in F major chord) C-G (features in C major chord) G-D (features in G major chord) and so on for D-A, A-E and E-B (featuring in the three minor chords of the key.) Ultimately the diatonic scale is common because it is harmonious (because it contains a lot of perfect fifths among other features.)

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      • Why would anyone just see it by looking at a piano if they've no idea about tone, semitone, scales, etc. If they knew that they wouldn't need a piano. Isn't it true that the diatonic scale was designed to be common? You seem to be saying it's a coincidence that it has a lot of (all the notes are, right?) perfect fifths.

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      • 1. I'm not saying that you would expect someone to discover the major scale just by looking at a piano. I'm saying that once you've taught it, relating it to the layout of the keys on a piano (which is visually familiar even to nonmusicians) helps ensure that it stays in the mind and cannot be unseen. @RandyZeitman

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      • 2. The most important interval in music is the octave (frequency ratio 2/1) followed by the fifth (frequency ratio 1.5/1 approx.) I am saying it is NOT a coincidence that the diatonic scale contains lots of fifths The origins of the scale are attributed (rightly or wrongly) to Pythagoras in ancient Greece. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning. The Greeks built a version of the diatonic scale by stacking fifths (ratios of 1.5/1) on top of each other. In the modern even tempered scale the fifth is reduced to 1.4983/1 to ensure that twelve fifths are exactly equal to seven octaves

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      Go through the scale degrees. Start at 1 and go to 7 and figure out what key you'd have to be in for C to be that scale degree.



      C is scale degree 1 in the key of C major.



      C is scale degree 2 in the key of Bb major. Bb is a major second below C.



      C is scale degree 3 in the key of Ab major. Ab is a major third below C.



      C is scale degree 4 in the key of G major. G is a perfect fourth below C.



      C is scale degree 5 in the key of F major. F is a perfect fifth below C.



      C is scale degree 6 in the key of Eb major. Eb is a major sixth below C.



      C is scale degree 7 in the key of Db major. Db is a major seventh below C.






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        That seems kinda cumbersome... you have to work out seven scales?

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      Your example reveals the solution:



      (Condition: knowledge of the circle of fifths and the relative keys!)



      Then this are:



      a) the tonic of the given note plus its dominante (and their relative keys) plus the 5 keys (and their relatives) “left” of the starting point of the circle of fifths. (Counterclockwise)



      Notice that Db is across of G!



      or with other words:



      b) All keys - except the 5 keys “right” of the given (and their relatives!) starting from the secondary dominant 5 fifths clockwise in the circle of fifths.



      In your example: C?



      oh, you’ve already given the answer.



      another example:



      E?



      E plus B (dominant)
      A,D,G,C,F plus their relatives
      mind: F is vis-a-vis of B.



      or we could say:



      a certain tone is contained in the keys of

      the perfect cadence I-IV-V and their relatives plus the 5 fourths counterclockwise and their relatives.



      The sense of these reflections could be the question of modulation.






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      • Can you add a picture so that "left" and "right" are more clear?

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        Right=increment, clockwise.

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      • Of course, that’s why I wrote clockwise and counterclockwise. The circle of fifth is found here 1000 times and is fundamental elementary knowledge like the scales and keys.

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      I think using the circle of fifths is the fastest way. You have to memorize just the tonics of circle of fifths : F-C-G-D-A-E-B and Bb-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb. Then just go through the circle until you reach the note before the key. I.E you need the notes of a E Major, so you go F-C-G-D and that notes are the accidents or the Key: E, F♯, G♯, A, B, C♯,D♯.






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      • Is there a way to quickly figure them out to avoid memorizing?

        – Randy Zeitman
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      • That should be printing or drawing the circle of fifths, as i don`t think there is a way without any kind of memorizing

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      • Yep, something must be memorized.

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      I’m not entirely clear on what you want to do, but for memorising the accidentals, use:



      Father Christmas Gave Dad An Electric Blanket
      (For sharps)



      And



      Blanket Explodes And Dad Got Cold Feet
      (For flats)






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        Isn't that for memorizing the order of sharps (1st example) and flats (2nd example) regardless of major or minor?

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      (Note: this answer was given before the word "beginner" was edited into the question.)




      Given a pitch, that pitch is a member of every major scale whose tonic is in the original pitch's Phrygian scale.




      In other words, C is a member of every major scale whose tonic is in the C-Phrygian scale: C–D♭–E♭–F–G–A♭–B♭.




      Given a pitch, that pitch is a member of every minor scale whose tonic is in the original pitches Mixolydian scale.




      In other words, C is a member of every minor scale whose tonic is in the C-Mixolydian scale: C–D–E–F–G–A–B♭.



      But even that's memorizing something, isn't it? :-)






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        That's certainly fast but how did you compute the Phrygian scale so quickly? (otherwise you had it memorized?)

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        Not knocking your answer, (+1) but by the time someone has reached the point where they understand modes, they are probably aware of all the scales (maj/nat min) that contain specific notes. Would it be simpler to say all keys with C in them have their roots in Ab maj? In other words, the formula is X minus M3 for the key. I understand why you chose modes - they have the same root note.

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        Nice answer. Still can't see what this knowledge helps with though.

        – JimM
        Jun 4 at 8:01






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        Clever trick. But as others have intimated here, even this shortcut requires some knowledge of the way keys are structured. There's no substitute for simply understanding the structure- which is after all not all that complicated- to the point where you can figure out everything from scratch.

        – Scott Wallace
        Jun 4 at 11:19






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        @JimM The knowledge, of what notes are in what keys, helps one think musically so you can write music.

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        Jun 4 at 15:47















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      (Note: this answer was given before the word "beginner" was edited into the question.)




      Given a pitch, that pitch is a member of every major scale whose tonic is in the original pitch's Phrygian scale.




      In other words, C is a member of every major scale whose tonic is in the C-Phrygian scale: C–D♭–E♭–F–G–A♭–B♭.




      Given a pitch, that pitch is a member of every minor scale whose tonic is in the original pitches Mixolydian scale.




      In other words, C is a member of every minor scale whose tonic is in the C-Mixolydian scale: C–D–E–F–G–A–B♭.



      But even that's memorizing something, isn't it? :-)






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        That's certainly fast but how did you compute the Phrygian scale so quickly? (otherwise you had it memorized?)

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        Jun 4 at 2:07






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        Not knocking your answer, (+1) but by the time someone has reached the point where they understand modes, they are probably aware of all the scales (maj/nat min) that contain specific notes. Would it be simpler to say all keys with C in them have their roots in Ab maj? In other words, the formula is X minus M3 for the key. I understand why you chose modes - they have the same root note.

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        Jun 4 at 7:31







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        Nice answer. Still can't see what this knowledge helps with though.

        – JimM
        Jun 4 at 8:01






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        Clever trick. But as others have intimated here, even this shortcut requires some knowledge of the way keys are structured. There's no substitute for simply understanding the structure- which is after all not all that complicated- to the point where you can figure out everything from scratch.

        – Scott Wallace
        Jun 4 at 11:19






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        @JimM The knowledge, of what notes are in what keys, helps one think musically so you can write music.

        – Randy Zeitman
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      (Note: this answer was given before the word "beginner" was edited into the question.)




      Given a pitch, that pitch is a member of every major scale whose tonic is in the original pitch's Phrygian scale.




      In other words, C is a member of every major scale whose tonic is in the C-Phrygian scale: C–D♭–E♭–F–G–A♭–B♭.




      Given a pitch, that pitch is a member of every minor scale whose tonic is in the original pitches Mixolydian scale.




      In other words, C is a member of every minor scale whose tonic is in the C-Mixolydian scale: C–D–E–F–G–A–B♭.



      But even that's memorizing something, isn't it? :-)






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      (Note: this answer was given before the word "beginner" was edited into the question.)




      Given a pitch, that pitch is a member of every major scale whose tonic is in the original pitch's Phrygian scale.




      In other words, C is a member of every major scale whose tonic is in the C-Phrygian scale: C–D♭–E♭–F–G–A♭–B♭.




      Given a pitch, that pitch is a member of every minor scale whose tonic is in the original pitches Mixolydian scale.




      In other words, C is a member of every minor scale whose tonic is in the C-Mixolydian scale: C–D–E–F–G–A–B♭.



      But even that's memorizing something, isn't it? :-)







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        That's certainly fast but how did you compute the Phrygian scale so quickly? (otherwise you had it memorized?)

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        Not knocking your answer, (+1) but by the time someone has reached the point where they understand modes, they are probably aware of all the scales (maj/nat min) that contain specific notes. Would it be simpler to say all keys with C in them have their roots in Ab maj? In other words, the formula is X minus M3 for the key. I understand why you chose modes - they have the same root note.

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        Nice answer. Still can't see what this knowledge helps with though.

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        Clever trick. But as others have intimated here, even this shortcut requires some knowledge of the way keys are structured. There's no substitute for simply understanding the structure- which is after all not all that complicated- to the point where you can figure out everything from scratch.

        – Scott Wallace
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        @JimM The knowledge, of what notes are in what keys, helps one think musically so you can write music.

        – Randy Zeitman
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        That's certainly fast but how did you compute the Phrygian scale so quickly? (otherwise you had it memorized?)

        – Randy Zeitman
        Jun 4 at 2:07






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        Not knocking your answer, (+1) but by the time someone has reached the point where they understand modes, they are probably aware of all the scales (maj/nat min) that contain specific notes. Would it be simpler to say all keys with C in them have their roots in Ab maj? In other words, the formula is X minus M3 for the key. I understand why you chose modes - they have the same root note.

        – Tim
        Jun 4 at 7:31







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        Nice answer. Still can't see what this knowledge helps with though.

        – JimM
        Jun 4 at 8:01






      • 1





        Clever trick. But as others have intimated here, even this shortcut requires some knowledge of the way keys are structured. There's no substitute for simply understanding the structure- which is after all not all that complicated- to the point where you can figure out everything from scratch.

        – Scott Wallace
        Jun 4 at 11:19






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        @JimM The knowledge, of what notes are in what keys, helps one think musically so you can write music.

        – Randy Zeitman
        Jun 4 at 15:47







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      That's certainly fast but how did you compute the Phrygian scale so quickly? (otherwise you had it memorized?)

      – Randy Zeitman
      Jun 4 at 2:07





      That's certainly fast but how did you compute the Phrygian scale so quickly? (otherwise you had it memorized?)

      – Randy Zeitman
      Jun 4 at 2:07




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      Not knocking your answer, (+1) but by the time someone has reached the point where they understand modes, they are probably aware of all the scales (maj/nat min) that contain specific notes. Would it be simpler to say all keys with C in them have their roots in Ab maj? In other words, the formula is X minus M3 for the key. I understand why you chose modes - they have the same root note.

      – Tim
      Jun 4 at 7:31






      Not knocking your answer, (+1) but by the time someone has reached the point where they understand modes, they are probably aware of all the scales (maj/nat min) that contain specific notes. Would it be simpler to say all keys with C in them have their roots in Ab maj? In other words, the formula is X minus M3 for the key. I understand why you chose modes - they have the same root note.

      – Tim
      Jun 4 at 7:31





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      Nice answer. Still can't see what this knowledge helps with though.

      – JimM
      Jun 4 at 8:01





      Nice answer. Still can't see what this knowledge helps with though.

      – JimM
      Jun 4 at 8:01




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      Clever trick. But as others have intimated here, even this shortcut requires some knowledge of the way keys are structured. There's no substitute for simply understanding the structure- which is after all not all that complicated- to the point where you can figure out everything from scratch.

      – Scott Wallace
      Jun 4 at 11:19





      Clever trick. But as others have intimated here, even this shortcut requires some knowledge of the way keys are structured. There's no substitute for simply understanding the structure- which is after all not all that complicated- to the point where you can figure out everything from scratch.

      – Scott Wallace
      Jun 4 at 11:19




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      @JimM The knowledge, of what notes are in what keys, helps one think musically so you can write music.

      – Randy Zeitman
      Jun 4 at 15:47





      @JimM The knowledge, of what notes are in what keys, helps one think musically so you can write music.

      – Randy Zeitman
      Jun 4 at 15:47











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      If you want a method that is useful to beginners and that doesn't require additional memorization, I suggest mirroring the way the major and minor scales are constructed, which I assume a beginner will have learnt.



      Example of scales containing the note C



      Iterate over the whole/half tone steps of the major and minor scale, starting from the note that the keys should contain, but go down in pitch instead of up. For the major scale the whole/half tone sequence is:




      whole-whole-half-whole-whole-whole-half




      and starting e.g. on C that gives you:




      C → Bb → Ab → G → F → Eb → Db → C




      For the minor scale the whole/half tone sequence is:




      whole-half-whole-whole-half-whole-whole




      and starting e.g. on C that gives you:




      Cm → Bbm → Am → Gm → Fm → Em → Dm → Cm




      This also works for the melodic and harmonic minor, and other scales.



      The mirrored whole/half tone sequences are indeed the Phrygian and Myxolydian modes, as explained in Richard's answer. However, I assume that that would be too advanced for the beginner mentioned in the question.






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        If you want a method that is useful to beginners and that doesn't require additional memorization, I suggest mirroring the way the major and minor scales are constructed, which I assume a beginner will have learnt.



        Example of scales containing the note C



        Iterate over the whole/half tone steps of the major and minor scale, starting from the note that the keys should contain, but go down in pitch instead of up. For the major scale the whole/half tone sequence is:




        whole-whole-half-whole-whole-whole-half




        and starting e.g. on C that gives you:




        C → Bb → Ab → G → F → Eb → Db → C




        For the minor scale the whole/half tone sequence is:




        whole-half-whole-whole-half-whole-whole




        and starting e.g. on C that gives you:




        Cm → Bbm → Am → Gm → Fm → Em → Dm → Cm




        This also works for the melodic and harmonic minor, and other scales.



        The mirrored whole/half tone sequences are indeed the Phrygian and Myxolydian modes, as explained in Richard's answer. However, I assume that that would be too advanced for the beginner mentioned in the question.






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          If you want a method that is useful to beginners and that doesn't require additional memorization, I suggest mirroring the way the major and minor scales are constructed, which I assume a beginner will have learnt.



          Example of scales containing the note C



          Iterate over the whole/half tone steps of the major and minor scale, starting from the note that the keys should contain, but go down in pitch instead of up. For the major scale the whole/half tone sequence is:




          whole-whole-half-whole-whole-whole-half




          and starting e.g. on C that gives you:




          C → Bb → Ab → G → F → Eb → Db → C




          For the minor scale the whole/half tone sequence is:




          whole-half-whole-whole-half-whole-whole




          and starting e.g. on C that gives you:




          Cm → Bbm → Am → Gm → Fm → Em → Dm → Cm




          This also works for the melodic and harmonic minor, and other scales.



          The mirrored whole/half tone sequences are indeed the Phrygian and Myxolydian modes, as explained in Richard's answer. However, I assume that that would be too advanced for the beginner mentioned in the question.






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          If you want a method that is useful to beginners and that doesn't require additional memorization, I suggest mirroring the way the major and minor scales are constructed, which I assume a beginner will have learnt.



          Example of scales containing the note C



          Iterate over the whole/half tone steps of the major and minor scale, starting from the note that the keys should contain, but go down in pitch instead of up. For the major scale the whole/half tone sequence is:




          whole-whole-half-whole-whole-whole-half




          and starting e.g. on C that gives you:




          C → Bb → Ab → G → F → Eb → Db → C




          For the minor scale the whole/half tone sequence is:




          whole-half-whole-whole-half-whole-whole




          and starting e.g. on C that gives you:




          Cm → Bbm → Am → Gm → Fm → Em → Dm → Cm




          This also works for the melodic and harmonic minor, and other scales.



          The mirrored whole/half tone sequences are indeed the Phrygian and Myxolydian modes, as explained in Richard's answer. However, I assume that that would be too advanced for the beginner mentioned in the question.







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              1. Start with the note you want to compute against (C).

              2. Go down a perfect 4th (G). Assign G a count of 1.

              3. Count up in 4ths adding 1 to the count until you get to 7: G C F Bb Eb Ab Db.

              Those notes and their relative minors are the major and minor scales that contain C.



              Edit: I use this information all the time. It's super useful for harmonization/reharmonization, especially for same-top-note progressions (where you keep the top note steady and shift the harmony underneath, kind of like Robert Glasper).






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                1. Start with the note you want to compute against (C).

                2. Go down a perfect 4th (G). Assign G a count of 1.

                3. Count up in 4ths adding 1 to the count until you get to 7: G C F Bb Eb Ab Db.

                Those notes and their relative minors are the major and minor scales that contain C.



                Edit: I use this information all the time. It's super useful for harmonization/reharmonization, especially for same-top-note progressions (where you keep the top note steady and shift the harmony underneath, kind of like Robert Glasper).






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                  1. Start with the note you want to compute against (C).

                  2. Go down a perfect 4th (G). Assign G a count of 1.

                  3. Count up in 4ths adding 1 to the count until you get to 7: G C F Bb Eb Ab Db.

                  Those notes and their relative minors are the major and minor scales that contain C.



                  Edit: I use this information all the time. It's super useful for harmonization/reharmonization, especially for same-top-note progressions (where you keep the top note steady and shift the harmony underneath, kind of like Robert Glasper).






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                  1. Start with the note you want to compute against (C).

                  2. Go down a perfect 4th (G). Assign G a count of 1.

                  3. Count up in 4ths adding 1 to the count until you get to 7: G C F Bb Eb Ab Db.

                  Those notes and their relative minors are the major and minor scales that contain C.



                  Edit: I use this information all the time. It's super useful for harmonization/reharmonization, especially for same-top-note progressions (where you keep the top note steady and shift the harmony underneath, kind of like Robert Glasper).







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                      I think the fastest way would be to memorize all the key signatures.



                      In your example you ask which keys contain the note C... that would be all major keys that don't have C# or Cb in the key signature: C, G, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, and Db.



                      Minor keys are a trickier, because there are a number of minor scales. If you're just looking at natural minors, they're the ones that share the same key signature as the majors: Am, Em, Dm, Gm, Cm, Fm, and Bbm.



                      For harmonic minors you'd exclude the ones where C is the subtonic (D minor) and include any where Cb is the subtonic (which would be Db minor, with eight flats).






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                      I think the fastest way would be to memorize all the key signatures.



                      In your example you ask which keys contain the note C... that would be all major keys that don't have C# or Cb in the key signature: C, G, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, and Db.



                      Minor keys are a trickier, because there are a number of minor scales. If you're just looking at natural minors, they're the ones that share the same key signature as the majors: Am, Em, Dm, Gm, Cm, Fm, and Bbm.



                      For harmonic minors you'd exclude the ones where C is the subtonic (D minor) and include any where Cb is the subtonic (which would be Db minor, with eight flats).






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                      I think the fastest way would be to memorize all the key signatures.



                      In your example you ask which keys contain the note C... that would be all major keys that don't have C# or Cb in the key signature: C, G, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, and Db.



                      Minor keys are a trickier, because there are a number of minor scales. If you're just looking at natural minors, they're the ones that share the same key signature as the majors: Am, Em, Dm, Gm, Cm, Fm, and Bbm.



                      For harmonic minors you'd exclude the ones where C is the subtonic (D minor) and include any where Cb is the subtonic (which would be Db minor, with eight flats).






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                      I think the fastest way would be to memorize all the key signatures.



                      In your example you ask which keys contain the note C... that would be all major keys that don't have C# or Cb in the key signature: C, G, F, Bb, Eb, Ab, and Db.



                      Minor keys are a trickier, because there are a number of minor scales. If you're just looking at natural minors, they're the ones that share the same key signature as the majors: Am, Em, Dm, Gm, Cm, Fm, and Bbm.



                      For harmonic minors you'd exclude the ones where C is the subtonic (D minor) and include any where Cb is the subtonic (which would be Db minor, with eight flats).







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                        The point is trying for no memorization.

                        – Randy Zeitman
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                        The point is trying for no memorization.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 15:45







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                      The point is trying for no memorization.

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 15:45





                      The point is trying for no memorization.

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 15:45











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                      Beginner version of Richard's answer that doesn't require knowledge of modes, based on Tim's comment.



                      The major keys that contain C start with the notes from the A♭ major scale (same notes as C Phrygian): A♭ B♭ C D♭ E♭ F G



                      The (natural) minor keys that contain C start with the notes from the F major scale (same notes as C Mixolydian). F G A B♭ C D E



                      In general, the major keys are from the major scale that starts with the note a major third down from the note you want (or a minor sixth up). The minor keys are from the scale that starts with the note a perfect fourth up (or a perfect fifth down).



                      This method requires the major scales to be memorized, and knowing intervals.






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                      • Very nice first answer! Welcome to the site!

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                      • e.g., I want keys with B. Major: Step 1. Down a M3 (W+W) to get G. Step 2. G Major notes = ABCDEF#G = keys that have "B". Minor: Step 1. Up a P4 (W+W+H) to get E. Step 2. E Major notes = ABC#D#EF#G# = natural minor keys that have "B". Nice!

                        – Randy Zeitman
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                      Beginner version of Richard's answer that doesn't require knowledge of modes, based on Tim's comment.



                      The major keys that contain C start with the notes from the A♭ major scale (same notes as C Phrygian): A♭ B♭ C D♭ E♭ F G



                      The (natural) minor keys that contain C start with the notes from the F major scale (same notes as C Mixolydian). F G A B♭ C D E



                      In general, the major keys are from the major scale that starts with the note a major third down from the note you want (or a minor sixth up). The minor keys are from the scale that starts with the note a perfect fourth up (or a perfect fifth down).



                      This method requires the major scales to be memorized, and knowing intervals.






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                      • Very nice first answer! Welcome to the site!

                        – luser droog
                        Jun 4 at 19:38











                      • e.g., I want keys with B. Major: Step 1. Down a M3 (W+W) to get G. Step 2. G Major notes = ABCDEF#G = keys that have "B". Minor: Step 1. Up a P4 (W+W+H) to get E. Step 2. E Major notes = ABC#D#EF#G# = natural minor keys that have "B". Nice!

                        – Randy Zeitman
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                      Beginner version of Richard's answer that doesn't require knowledge of modes, based on Tim's comment.



                      The major keys that contain C start with the notes from the A♭ major scale (same notes as C Phrygian): A♭ B♭ C D♭ E♭ F G



                      The (natural) minor keys that contain C start with the notes from the F major scale (same notes as C Mixolydian). F G A B♭ C D E



                      In general, the major keys are from the major scale that starts with the note a major third down from the note you want (or a minor sixth up). The minor keys are from the scale that starts with the note a perfect fourth up (or a perfect fifth down).



                      This method requires the major scales to be memorized, and knowing intervals.






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                      Beginner version of Richard's answer that doesn't require knowledge of modes, based on Tim's comment.



                      The major keys that contain C start with the notes from the A♭ major scale (same notes as C Phrygian): A♭ B♭ C D♭ E♭ F G



                      The (natural) minor keys that contain C start with the notes from the F major scale (same notes as C Mixolydian). F G A B♭ C D E



                      In general, the major keys are from the major scale that starts with the note a major third down from the note you want (or a minor sixth up). The minor keys are from the scale that starts with the note a perfect fourth up (or a perfect fifth down).



                      This method requires the major scales to be memorized, and knowing intervals.







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                      • Very nice first answer! Welcome to the site!

                        – luser droog
                        Jun 4 at 19:38











                      • e.g., I want keys with B. Major: Step 1. Down a M3 (W+W) to get G. Step 2. G Major notes = ABCDEF#G = keys that have "B". Minor: Step 1. Up a P4 (W+W+H) to get E. Step 2. E Major notes = ABC#D#EF#G# = natural minor keys that have "B". Nice!

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 20:12


















                      • Very nice first answer! Welcome to the site!

                        – luser droog
                        Jun 4 at 19:38











                      • e.g., I want keys with B. Major: Step 1. Down a M3 (W+W) to get G. Step 2. G Major notes = ABCDEF#G = keys that have "B". Minor: Step 1. Up a P4 (W+W+H) to get E. Step 2. E Major notes = ABC#D#EF#G# = natural minor keys that have "B". Nice!

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 20:12

















                      Very nice first answer! Welcome to the site!

                      – luser droog
                      Jun 4 at 19:38





                      Very nice first answer! Welcome to the site!

                      – luser droog
                      Jun 4 at 19:38













                      e.g., I want keys with B. Major: Step 1. Down a M3 (W+W) to get G. Step 2. G Major notes = ABCDEF#G = keys that have "B". Minor: Step 1. Up a P4 (W+W+H) to get E. Step 2. E Major notes = ABC#D#EF#G# = natural minor keys that have "B". Nice!

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 20:12






                      e.g., I want keys with B. Major: Step 1. Down a M3 (W+W) to get G. Step 2. G Major notes = ABCDEF#G = keys that have "B". Minor: Step 1. Up a P4 (W+W+H) to get E. Step 2. E Major notes = ABC#D#EF#G# = natural minor keys that have "B". Nice!

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 20:12












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                      Everyone knows the major scale goes Tone Tone Semitone, Tone Tone Tone Semitone. But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths.



                      The most important interval in music is the octave (12 semitones.) The second most important is the perfect fifth (7 semitones.) The diatonic scale is built from a series of six stacked fifths, which is why it has a total of six chords with perfect fifths available in it (three major and three minor.)



                      Below is the circle of fifths opened up and arranged in a zigzag




                      Gb Ab Bb C D E F# G# A#
                      Cb Db Eb F G A B C# D# E#


                      A couple of examples:



                      The notes of the key of C major are F C G D A E B or alternatively C D E on the top line and F G A B on the bottom line.



                      The notes of Db major are Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C alternatively Db Eb F on the bottom line and Gb Ab Bb C on the top line.



                      Note: as you are looking for minimal memorization its worth noting that the above diagram can be made by writing out two whole-tone scales one above the other with an appropriate shift. This is a good way of constructing the diagram, but does not explain what is going on.



                      Steelpan and the circle of fifths



                      In order to avoid dissonant notes being close together, the notes on the Steelpan are arranged in a circle of fifths. This means all the notes of any given key are grouped together. To my knowledge it is the only instrument that uses this layout and the diagrams linked below are simpler and perhaps clearer than the wikipedia article linked above.



                      https://www.steeldrumshop.com/content/C%20Lead_w_range.pdf
                      http://www.trianglesteelbands.com/background/pan-technology.html



                      For example C is at the bottom (6 O'clock position) and all the notes of the key of C major are grouped from 1 O'clock to 7 O'clock. Bb is at the 8 O'clock position and the notes of Bb Major are grouped from 3 O'clock to 9 O'clock.



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                      • Beginners don't know that and that's whom the question is intended for. "But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths." Ok, why is it (so common).

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                      • @RandyZeitman Well, I learned tone tone semitone, tone tone tone semitone long before I learned about the circle of fifths (you can see it just by looking at a piano.) It was much later that I discovered the diatonic scale was composed of stacked 5ths, for example on the natural notes: F-C (features in F major chord) C-G (features in C major chord) G-D (features in G major chord) and so on for D-A, A-E and E-B (featuring in the three minor chords of the key.) Ultimately the diatonic scale is common because it is harmonious (because it contains a lot of perfect fifths among other features.)

                        – Level River St
                        Jun 4 at 22:32












                      • Why would anyone just see it by looking at a piano if they've no idea about tone, semitone, scales, etc. If they knew that they wouldn't need a piano. Isn't it true that the diatonic scale was designed to be common? You seem to be saying it's a coincidence that it has a lot of (all the notes are, right?) perfect fifths.

                        – Randy Zeitman
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                      • 1. I'm not saying that you would expect someone to discover the major scale just by looking at a piano. I'm saying that once you've taught it, relating it to the layout of the keys on a piano (which is visually familiar even to nonmusicians) helps ensure that it stays in the mind and cannot be unseen. @RandyZeitman

                        – Level River St
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                      • 2. The most important interval in music is the octave (frequency ratio 2/1) followed by the fifth (frequency ratio 1.5/1 approx.) I am saying it is NOT a coincidence that the diatonic scale contains lots of fifths The origins of the scale are attributed (rightly or wrongly) to Pythagoras in ancient Greece. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning. The Greeks built a version of the diatonic scale by stacking fifths (ratios of 1.5/1) on top of each other. In the modern even tempered scale the fifth is reduced to 1.4983/1 to ensure that twelve fifths are exactly equal to seven octaves

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                      Everyone knows the major scale goes Tone Tone Semitone, Tone Tone Tone Semitone. But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths.



                      The most important interval in music is the octave (12 semitones.) The second most important is the perfect fifth (7 semitones.) The diatonic scale is built from a series of six stacked fifths, which is why it has a total of six chords with perfect fifths available in it (three major and three minor.)



                      Below is the circle of fifths opened up and arranged in a zigzag




                      Gb Ab Bb C D E F# G# A#
                      Cb Db Eb F G A B C# D# E#


                      A couple of examples:



                      The notes of the key of C major are F C G D A E B or alternatively C D E on the top line and F G A B on the bottom line.



                      The notes of Db major are Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C alternatively Db Eb F on the bottom line and Gb Ab Bb C on the top line.



                      Note: as you are looking for minimal memorization its worth noting that the above diagram can be made by writing out two whole-tone scales one above the other with an appropriate shift. This is a good way of constructing the diagram, but does not explain what is going on.



                      Steelpan and the circle of fifths



                      In order to avoid dissonant notes being close together, the notes on the Steelpan are arranged in a circle of fifths. This means all the notes of any given key are grouped together. To my knowledge it is the only instrument that uses this layout and the diagrams linked below are simpler and perhaps clearer than the wikipedia article linked above.



                      https://www.steeldrumshop.com/content/C%20Lead_w_range.pdf
                      http://www.trianglesteelbands.com/background/pan-technology.html



                      For example C is at the bottom (6 O'clock position) and all the notes of the key of C major are grouped from 1 O'clock to 7 O'clock. Bb is at the 8 O'clock position and the notes of Bb Major are grouped from 3 O'clock to 9 O'clock.



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                      • Beginners don't know that and that's whom the question is intended for. "But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths." Ok, why is it (so common).

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 22:22











                      • @RandyZeitman Well, I learned tone tone semitone, tone tone tone semitone long before I learned about the circle of fifths (you can see it just by looking at a piano.) It was much later that I discovered the diatonic scale was composed of stacked 5ths, for example on the natural notes: F-C (features in F major chord) C-G (features in C major chord) G-D (features in G major chord) and so on for D-A, A-E and E-B (featuring in the three minor chords of the key.) Ultimately the diatonic scale is common because it is harmonious (because it contains a lot of perfect fifths among other features.)

                        – Level River St
                        Jun 4 at 22:32












                      • Why would anyone just see it by looking at a piano if they've no idea about tone, semitone, scales, etc. If they knew that they wouldn't need a piano. Isn't it true that the diatonic scale was designed to be common? You seem to be saying it's a coincidence that it has a lot of (all the notes are, right?) perfect fifths.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 5 at 0:11











                      • 1. I'm not saying that you would expect someone to discover the major scale just by looking at a piano. I'm saying that once you've taught it, relating it to the layout of the keys on a piano (which is visually familiar even to nonmusicians) helps ensure that it stays in the mind and cannot be unseen. @RandyZeitman

                        – Level River St
                        Jun 5 at 0:25












                      • 2. The most important interval in music is the octave (frequency ratio 2/1) followed by the fifth (frequency ratio 1.5/1 approx.) I am saying it is NOT a coincidence that the diatonic scale contains lots of fifths The origins of the scale are attributed (rightly or wrongly) to Pythagoras in ancient Greece. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning. The Greeks built a version of the diatonic scale by stacking fifths (ratios of 1.5/1) on top of each other. In the modern even tempered scale the fifth is reduced to 1.4983/1 to ensure that twelve fifths are exactly equal to seven octaves

                        – Level River St
                        Jun 5 at 0:40













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                      Everyone knows the major scale goes Tone Tone Semitone, Tone Tone Tone Semitone. But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths.



                      The most important interval in music is the octave (12 semitones.) The second most important is the perfect fifth (7 semitones.) The diatonic scale is built from a series of six stacked fifths, which is why it has a total of six chords with perfect fifths available in it (three major and three minor.)



                      Below is the circle of fifths opened up and arranged in a zigzag




                      Gb Ab Bb C D E F# G# A#
                      Cb Db Eb F G A B C# D# E#


                      A couple of examples:



                      The notes of the key of C major are F C G D A E B or alternatively C D E on the top line and F G A B on the bottom line.



                      The notes of Db major are Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C alternatively Db Eb F on the bottom line and Gb Ab Bb C on the top line.



                      Note: as you are looking for minimal memorization its worth noting that the above diagram can be made by writing out two whole-tone scales one above the other with an appropriate shift. This is a good way of constructing the diagram, but does not explain what is going on.



                      Steelpan and the circle of fifths



                      In order to avoid dissonant notes being close together, the notes on the Steelpan are arranged in a circle of fifths. This means all the notes of any given key are grouped together. To my knowledge it is the only instrument that uses this layout and the diagrams linked below are simpler and perhaps clearer than the wikipedia article linked above.



                      https://www.steeldrumshop.com/content/C%20Lead_w_range.pdf
                      http://www.trianglesteelbands.com/background/pan-technology.html



                      For example C is at the bottom (6 O'clock position) and all the notes of the key of C major are grouped from 1 O'clock to 7 O'clock. Bb is at the 8 O'clock position and the notes of Bb Major are grouped from 3 O'clock to 9 O'clock.



                      enter image description here






                      share|improve this answer















                      Everyone knows the major scale goes Tone Tone Semitone, Tone Tone Tone Semitone. But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths.



                      The most important interval in music is the octave (12 semitones.) The second most important is the perfect fifth (7 semitones.) The diatonic scale is built from a series of six stacked fifths, which is why it has a total of six chords with perfect fifths available in it (three major and three minor.)



                      Below is the circle of fifths opened up and arranged in a zigzag




                      Gb Ab Bb C D E F# G# A#
                      Cb Db Eb F G A B C# D# E#


                      A couple of examples:



                      The notes of the key of C major are F C G D A E B or alternatively C D E on the top line and F G A B on the bottom line.



                      The notes of Db major are Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F C alternatively Db Eb F on the bottom line and Gb Ab Bb C on the top line.



                      Note: as you are looking for minimal memorization its worth noting that the above diagram can be made by writing out two whole-tone scales one above the other with an appropriate shift. This is a good way of constructing the diagram, but does not explain what is going on.



                      Steelpan and the circle of fifths



                      In order to avoid dissonant notes being close together, the notes on the Steelpan are arranged in a circle of fifths. This means all the notes of any given key are grouped together. To my knowledge it is the only instrument that uses this layout and the diagrams linked below are simpler and perhaps clearer than the wikipedia article linked above.



                      https://www.steeldrumshop.com/content/C%20Lead_w_range.pdf
                      http://www.trianglesteelbands.com/background/pan-technology.html



                      For example C is at the bottom (6 O'clock position) and all the notes of the key of C major are grouped from 1 O'clock to 7 O'clock. Bb is at the 8 O'clock position and the notes of Bb Major are grouped from 3 O'clock to 9 O'clock.



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                      answered Jun 4 at 22:08









                      Level River StLevel River St

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                      • Beginners don't know that and that's whom the question is intended for. "But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths." Ok, why is it (so common).

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 22:22











                      • @RandyZeitman Well, I learned tone tone semitone, tone tone tone semitone long before I learned about the circle of fifths (you can see it just by looking at a piano.) It was much later that I discovered the diatonic scale was composed of stacked 5ths, for example on the natural notes: F-C (features in F major chord) C-G (features in C major chord) G-D (features in G major chord) and so on for D-A, A-E and E-B (featuring in the three minor chords of the key.) Ultimately the diatonic scale is common because it is harmonious (because it contains a lot of perfect fifths among other features.)

                        – Level River St
                        Jun 4 at 22:32












                      • Why would anyone just see it by looking at a piano if they've no idea about tone, semitone, scales, etc. If they knew that they wouldn't need a piano. Isn't it true that the diatonic scale was designed to be common? You seem to be saying it's a coincidence that it has a lot of (all the notes are, right?) perfect fifths.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 5 at 0:11











                      • 1. I'm not saying that you would expect someone to discover the major scale just by looking at a piano. I'm saying that once you've taught it, relating it to the layout of the keys on a piano (which is visually familiar even to nonmusicians) helps ensure that it stays in the mind and cannot be unseen. @RandyZeitman

                        – Level River St
                        Jun 5 at 0:25












                      • 2. The most important interval in music is the octave (frequency ratio 2/1) followed by the fifth (frequency ratio 1.5/1 approx.) I am saying it is NOT a coincidence that the diatonic scale contains lots of fifths The origins of the scale are attributed (rightly or wrongly) to Pythagoras in ancient Greece. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning. The Greeks built a version of the diatonic scale by stacking fifths (ratios of 1.5/1) on top of each other. In the modern even tempered scale the fifth is reduced to 1.4983/1 to ensure that twelve fifths are exactly equal to seven octaves

                        – Level River St
                        Jun 5 at 0:40

















                      • Beginners don't know that and that's whom the question is intended for. "But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths." Ok, why is it (so common).

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 22:22











                      • @RandyZeitman Well, I learned tone tone semitone, tone tone tone semitone long before I learned about the circle of fifths (you can see it just by looking at a piano.) It was much later that I discovered the diatonic scale was composed of stacked 5ths, for example on the natural notes: F-C (features in F major chord) C-G (features in C major chord) G-D (features in G major chord) and so on for D-A, A-E and E-B (featuring in the three minor chords of the key.) Ultimately the diatonic scale is common because it is harmonious (because it contains a lot of perfect fifths among other features.)

                        – Level River St
                        Jun 4 at 22:32












                      • Why would anyone just see it by looking at a piano if they've no idea about tone, semitone, scales, etc. If they knew that they wouldn't need a piano. Isn't it true that the diatonic scale was designed to be common? You seem to be saying it's a coincidence that it has a lot of (all the notes are, right?) perfect fifths.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 5 at 0:11











                      • 1. I'm not saying that you would expect someone to discover the major scale just by looking at a piano. I'm saying that once you've taught it, relating it to the layout of the keys on a piano (which is visually familiar even to nonmusicians) helps ensure that it stays in the mind and cannot be unseen. @RandyZeitman

                        – Level River St
                        Jun 5 at 0:25












                      • 2. The most important interval in music is the octave (frequency ratio 2/1) followed by the fifth (frequency ratio 1.5/1 approx.) I am saying it is NOT a coincidence that the diatonic scale contains lots of fifths The origins of the scale are attributed (rightly or wrongly) to Pythagoras in ancient Greece. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning. The Greeks built a version of the diatonic scale by stacking fifths (ratios of 1.5/1) on top of each other. In the modern even tempered scale the fifth is reduced to 1.4983/1 to ensure that twelve fifths are exactly equal to seven octaves

                        – Level River St
                        Jun 5 at 0:40
















                      Beginners don't know that and that's whom the question is intended for. "But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths." Ok, why is it (so common).

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 22:22





                      Beginners don't know that and that's whom the question is intended for. "But to see the reason why this particular scale is so common you need to examine the circle of fifths." Ok, why is it (so common).

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 22:22













                      @RandyZeitman Well, I learned tone tone semitone, tone tone tone semitone long before I learned about the circle of fifths (you can see it just by looking at a piano.) It was much later that I discovered the diatonic scale was composed of stacked 5ths, for example on the natural notes: F-C (features in F major chord) C-G (features in C major chord) G-D (features in G major chord) and so on for D-A, A-E and E-B (featuring in the three minor chords of the key.) Ultimately the diatonic scale is common because it is harmonious (because it contains a lot of perfect fifths among other features.)

                      – Level River St
                      Jun 4 at 22:32






                      @RandyZeitman Well, I learned tone tone semitone, tone tone tone semitone long before I learned about the circle of fifths (you can see it just by looking at a piano.) It was much later that I discovered the diatonic scale was composed of stacked 5ths, for example on the natural notes: F-C (features in F major chord) C-G (features in C major chord) G-D (features in G major chord) and so on for D-A, A-E and E-B (featuring in the three minor chords of the key.) Ultimately the diatonic scale is common because it is harmonious (because it contains a lot of perfect fifths among other features.)

                      – Level River St
                      Jun 4 at 22:32














                      Why would anyone just see it by looking at a piano if they've no idea about tone, semitone, scales, etc. If they knew that they wouldn't need a piano. Isn't it true that the diatonic scale was designed to be common? You seem to be saying it's a coincidence that it has a lot of (all the notes are, right?) perfect fifths.

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 5 at 0:11





                      Why would anyone just see it by looking at a piano if they've no idea about tone, semitone, scales, etc. If they knew that they wouldn't need a piano. Isn't it true that the diatonic scale was designed to be common? You seem to be saying it's a coincidence that it has a lot of (all the notes are, right?) perfect fifths.

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 5 at 0:11













                      1. I'm not saying that you would expect someone to discover the major scale just by looking at a piano. I'm saying that once you've taught it, relating it to the layout of the keys on a piano (which is visually familiar even to nonmusicians) helps ensure that it stays in the mind and cannot be unseen. @RandyZeitman

                      – Level River St
                      Jun 5 at 0:25






                      1. I'm not saying that you would expect someone to discover the major scale just by looking at a piano. I'm saying that once you've taught it, relating it to the layout of the keys on a piano (which is visually familiar even to nonmusicians) helps ensure that it stays in the mind and cannot be unseen. @RandyZeitman

                      – Level River St
                      Jun 5 at 0:25














                      2. The most important interval in music is the octave (frequency ratio 2/1) followed by the fifth (frequency ratio 1.5/1 approx.) I am saying it is NOT a coincidence that the diatonic scale contains lots of fifths The origins of the scale are attributed (rightly or wrongly) to Pythagoras in ancient Greece. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning. The Greeks built a version of the diatonic scale by stacking fifths (ratios of 1.5/1) on top of each other. In the modern even tempered scale the fifth is reduced to 1.4983/1 to ensure that twelve fifths are exactly equal to seven octaves

                      – Level River St
                      Jun 5 at 0:40





                      2. The most important interval in music is the octave (frequency ratio 2/1) followed by the fifth (frequency ratio 1.5/1 approx.) I am saying it is NOT a coincidence that the diatonic scale contains lots of fifths The origins of the scale are attributed (rightly or wrongly) to Pythagoras in ancient Greece. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning. The Greeks built a version of the diatonic scale by stacking fifths (ratios of 1.5/1) on top of each other. In the modern even tempered scale the fifth is reduced to 1.4983/1 to ensure that twelve fifths are exactly equal to seven octaves

                      – Level River St
                      Jun 5 at 0:40











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                      Go through the scale degrees. Start at 1 and go to 7 and figure out what key you'd have to be in for C to be that scale degree.



                      C is scale degree 1 in the key of C major.



                      C is scale degree 2 in the key of Bb major. Bb is a major second below C.



                      C is scale degree 3 in the key of Ab major. Ab is a major third below C.



                      C is scale degree 4 in the key of G major. G is a perfect fourth below C.



                      C is scale degree 5 in the key of F major. F is a perfect fifth below C.



                      C is scale degree 6 in the key of Eb major. Eb is a major sixth below C.



                      C is scale degree 7 in the key of Db major. Db is a major seventh below C.






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                        That seems kinda cumbersome... you have to work out seven scales?

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 3:59















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                      Go through the scale degrees. Start at 1 and go to 7 and figure out what key you'd have to be in for C to be that scale degree.



                      C is scale degree 1 in the key of C major.



                      C is scale degree 2 in the key of Bb major. Bb is a major second below C.



                      C is scale degree 3 in the key of Ab major. Ab is a major third below C.



                      C is scale degree 4 in the key of G major. G is a perfect fourth below C.



                      C is scale degree 5 in the key of F major. F is a perfect fifth below C.



                      C is scale degree 6 in the key of Eb major. Eb is a major sixth below C.



                      C is scale degree 7 in the key of Db major. Db is a major seventh below C.






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                        That seems kinda cumbersome... you have to work out seven scales?

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 3:59













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                      Go through the scale degrees. Start at 1 and go to 7 and figure out what key you'd have to be in for C to be that scale degree.



                      C is scale degree 1 in the key of C major.



                      C is scale degree 2 in the key of Bb major. Bb is a major second below C.



                      C is scale degree 3 in the key of Ab major. Ab is a major third below C.



                      C is scale degree 4 in the key of G major. G is a perfect fourth below C.



                      C is scale degree 5 in the key of F major. F is a perfect fifth below C.



                      C is scale degree 6 in the key of Eb major. Eb is a major sixth below C.



                      C is scale degree 7 in the key of Db major. Db is a major seventh below C.






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                      Go through the scale degrees. Start at 1 and go to 7 and figure out what key you'd have to be in for C to be that scale degree.



                      C is scale degree 1 in the key of C major.



                      C is scale degree 2 in the key of Bb major. Bb is a major second below C.



                      C is scale degree 3 in the key of Ab major. Ab is a major third below C.



                      C is scale degree 4 in the key of G major. G is a perfect fourth below C.



                      C is scale degree 5 in the key of F major. F is a perfect fifth below C.



                      C is scale degree 6 in the key of Eb major. Eb is a major sixth below C.



                      C is scale degree 7 in the key of Db major. Db is a major seventh below C.







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                      John WuJohn Wu

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                      • 2





                        That seems kinda cumbersome... you have to work out seven scales?

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 3:59












                      • 2





                        That seems kinda cumbersome... you have to work out seven scales?

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 3:59







                      2




                      2





                      That seems kinda cumbersome... you have to work out seven scales?

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 3:59





                      That seems kinda cumbersome... you have to work out seven scales?

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 3:59











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                      Your example reveals the solution:



                      (Condition: knowledge of the circle of fifths and the relative keys!)



                      Then this are:



                      a) the tonic of the given note plus its dominante (and their relative keys) plus the 5 keys (and their relatives) “left” of the starting point of the circle of fifths. (Counterclockwise)



                      Notice that Db is across of G!



                      or with other words:



                      b) All keys - except the 5 keys “right” of the given (and their relatives!) starting from the secondary dominant 5 fifths clockwise in the circle of fifths.



                      In your example: C?



                      oh, you’ve already given the answer.



                      another example:



                      E?



                      E plus B (dominant)
                      A,D,G,C,F plus their relatives
                      mind: F is vis-a-vis of B.



                      or we could say:



                      a certain tone is contained in the keys of

                      the perfect cadence I-IV-V and their relatives plus the 5 fourths counterclockwise and their relatives.



                      The sense of these reflections could be the question of modulation.






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                      • Can you add a picture so that "left" and "right" are more clear?

                        – luser droog
                        Jun 4 at 19:36






                      • 1





                        Right=increment, clockwise.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 20:13











                      • Of course, that’s why I wrote clockwise and counterclockwise. The circle of fifth is found here 1000 times and is fundamental elementary knowledge like the scales and keys.

                        – Albrecht Hügli
                        Jun 5 at 9:39















                      0














                      Your example reveals the solution:



                      (Condition: knowledge of the circle of fifths and the relative keys!)



                      Then this are:



                      a) the tonic of the given note plus its dominante (and their relative keys) plus the 5 keys (and their relatives) “left” of the starting point of the circle of fifths. (Counterclockwise)



                      Notice that Db is across of G!



                      or with other words:



                      b) All keys - except the 5 keys “right” of the given (and their relatives!) starting from the secondary dominant 5 fifths clockwise in the circle of fifths.



                      In your example: C?



                      oh, you’ve already given the answer.



                      another example:



                      E?



                      E plus B (dominant)
                      A,D,G,C,F plus their relatives
                      mind: F is vis-a-vis of B.



                      or we could say:



                      a certain tone is contained in the keys of

                      the perfect cadence I-IV-V and their relatives plus the 5 fourths counterclockwise and their relatives.



                      The sense of these reflections could be the question of modulation.






                      share|improve this answer























                      • Can you add a picture so that "left" and "right" are more clear?

                        – luser droog
                        Jun 4 at 19:36






                      • 1





                        Right=increment, clockwise.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 20:13











                      • Of course, that’s why I wrote clockwise and counterclockwise. The circle of fifth is found here 1000 times and is fundamental elementary knowledge like the scales and keys.

                        – Albrecht Hügli
                        Jun 5 at 9:39













                      0












                      0








                      0







                      Your example reveals the solution:



                      (Condition: knowledge of the circle of fifths and the relative keys!)



                      Then this are:



                      a) the tonic of the given note plus its dominante (and their relative keys) plus the 5 keys (and their relatives) “left” of the starting point of the circle of fifths. (Counterclockwise)



                      Notice that Db is across of G!



                      or with other words:



                      b) All keys - except the 5 keys “right” of the given (and their relatives!) starting from the secondary dominant 5 fifths clockwise in the circle of fifths.



                      In your example: C?



                      oh, you’ve already given the answer.



                      another example:



                      E?



                      E plus B (dominant)
                      A,D,G,C,F plus their relatives
                      mind: F is vis-a-vis of B.



                      or we could say:



                      a certain tone is contained in the keys of

                      the perfect cadence I-IV-V and their relatives plus the 5 fourths counterclockwise and their relatives.



                      The sense of these reflections could be the question of modulation.






                      share|improve this answer













                      Your example reveals the solution:



                      (Condition: knowledge of the circle of fifths and the relative keys!)



                      Then this are:



                      a) the tonic of the given note plus its dominante (and their relative keys) plus the 5 keys (and their relatives) “left” of the starting point of the circle of fifths. (Counterclockwise)



                      Notice that Db is across of G!



                      or with other words:



                      b) All keys - except the 5 keys “right” of the given (and their relatives!) starting from the secondary dominant 5 fifths clockwise in the circle of fifths.



                      In your example: C?



                      oh, you’ve already given the answer.



                      another example:



                      E?



                      E plus B (dominant)
                      A,D,G,C,F plus their relatives
                      mind: F is vis-a-vis of B.



                      or we could say:



                      a certain tone is contained in the keys of

                      the perfect cadence I-IV-V and their relatives plus the 5 fourths counterclockwise and their relatives.



                      The sense of these reflections could be the question of modulation.







                      share|improve this answer












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                      answered Jun 4 at 12:44









                      Albrecht HügliAlbrecht Hügli

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                      • Can you add a picture so that "left" and "right" are more clear?

                        – luser droog
                        Jun 4 at 19:36






                      • 1





                        Right=increment, clockwise.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 20:13











                      • Of course, that’s why I wrote clockwise and counterclockwise. The circle of fifth is found here 1000 times and is fundamental elementary knowledge like the scales and keys.

                        – Albrecht Hügli
                        Jun 5 at 9:39

















                      • Can you add a picture so that "left" and "right" are more clear?

                        – luser droog
                        Jun 4 at 19:36






                      • 1





                        Right=increment, clockwise.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 20:13











                      • Of course, that’s why I wrote clockwise and counterclockwise. The circle of fifth is found here 1000 times and is fundamental elementary knowledge like the scales and keys.

                        – Albrecht Hügli
                        Jun 5 at 9:39
















                      Can you add a picture so that "left" and "right" are more clear?

                      – luser droog
                      Jun 4 at 19:36





                      Can you add a picture so that "left" and "right" are more clear?

                      – luser droog
                      Jun 4 at 19:36




                      1




                      1





                      Right=increment, clockwise.

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 20:13





                      Right=increment, clockwise.

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 20:13













                      Of course, that’s why I wrote clockwise and counterclockwise. The circle of fifth is found here 1000 times and is fundamental elementary knowledge like the scales and keys.

                      – Albrecht Hügli
                      Jun 5 at 9:39





                      Of course, that’s why I wrote clockwise and counterclockwise. The circle of fifth is found here 1000 times and is fundamental elementary knowledge like the scales and keys.

                      – Albrecht Hügli
                      Jun 5 at 9:39











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                      I think using the circle of fifths is the fastest way. You have to memorize just the tonics of circle of fifths : F-C-G-D-A-E-B and Bb-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb. Then just go through the circle until you reach the note before the key. I.E you need the notes of a E Major, so you go F-C-G-D and that notes are the accidents or the Key: E, F♯, G♯, A, B, C♯,D♯.






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                        Jun 4 at 22:23











                      • That should be printing or drawing the circle of fifths, as i don`t think there is a way without any kind of memorizing

                        – hefferknot
                        Jun 4 at 23:25












                      • Yep, something must be memorized.

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                      I think using the circle of fifths is the fastest way. You have to memorize just the tonics of circle of fifths : F-C-G-D-A-E-B and Bb-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb. Then just go through the circle until you reach the note before the key. I.E you need the notes of a E Major, so you go F-C-G-D and that notes are the accidents or the Key: E, F♯, G♯, A, B, C♯,D♯.






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                      • Is there a way to quickly figure them out to avoid memorizing?

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 22:23











                      • That should be printing or drawing the circle of fifths, as i don`t think there is a way without any kind of memorizing

                        – hefferknot
                        Jun 4 at 23:25












                      • Yep, something must be memorized.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 5 at 2:36













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                      I think using the circle of fifths is the fastest way. You have to memorize just the tonics of circle of fifths : F-C-G-D-A-E-B and Bb-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb. Then just go through the circle until you reach the note before the key. I.E you need the notes of a E Major, so you go F-C-G-D and that notes are the accidents or the Key: E, F♯, G♯, A, B, C♯,D♯.






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                      I think using the circle of fifths is the fastest way. You have to memorize just the tonics of circle of fifths : F-C-G-D-A-E-B and Bb-Eb-Ab-Db-Gb. Then just go through the circle until you reach the note before the key. I.E you need the notes of a E Major, so you go F-C-G-D and that notes are the accidents or the Key: E, F♯, G♯, A, B, C♯,D♯.







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                      • Is there a way to quickly figure them out to avoid memorizing?

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 22:23











                      • That should be printing or drawing the circle of fifths, as i don`t think there is a way without any kind of memorizing

                        – hefferknot
                        Jun 4 at 23:25












                      • Yep, something must be memorized.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 5 at 2:36

















                      • Is there a way to quickly figure them out to avoid memorizing?

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 4 at 22:23











                      • That should be printing or drawing the circle of fifths, as i don`t think there is a way without any kind of memorizing

                        – hefferknot
                        Jun 4 at 23:25












                      • Yep, something must be memorized.

                        – Randy Zeitman
                        Jun 5 at 2:36
















                      Is there a way to quickly figure them out to avoid memorizing?

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 22:23





                      Is there a way to quickly figure them out to avoid memorizing?

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 4 at 22:23













                      That should be printing or drawing the circle of fifths, as i don`t think there is a way without any kind of memorizing

                      – hefferknot
                      Jun 4 at 23:25






                      That should be printing or drawing the circle of fifths, as i don`t think there is a way without any kind of memorizing

                      – hefferknot
                      Jun 4 at 23:25














                      Yep, something must be memorized.

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 5 at 2:36





                      Yep, something must be memorized.

                      – Randy Zeitman
                      Jun 5 at 2:36











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                      I’m not entirely clear on what you want to do, but for memorising the accidentals, use:



                      Father Christmas Gave Dad An Electric Blanket
                      (For sharps)



                      And



                      Blanket Explodes And Dad Got Cold Feet
                      (For flats)






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                        Isn't that for memorizing the order of sharps (1st example) and flats (2nd example) regardless of major or minor?

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                        Jun 4 at 15:55















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                      I’m not entirely clear on what you want to do, but for memorising the accidentals, use:



                      Father Christmas Gave Dad An Electric Blanket
                      (For sharps)



                      And



                      Blanket Explodes And Dad Got Cold Feet
                      (For flats)






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                        Isn't that for memorizing the order of sharps (1st example) and flats (2nd example) regardless of major or minor?

                        – Jacob Smolowe
                        Jun 4 at 15:55













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                      I’m not entirely clear on what you want to do, but for memorising the accidentals, use:



                      Father Christmas Gave Dad An Electric Blanket
                      (For sharps)



                      And



                      Blanket Explodes And Dad Got Cold Feet
                      (For flats)






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                      I’m not entirely clear on what you want to do, but for memorising the accidentals, use:



                      Father Christmas Gave Dad An Electric Blanket
                      (For sharps)



                      And



                      Blanket Explodes And Dad Got Cold Feet
                      (For flats)







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                        Isn't that for memorizing the order of sharps (1st example) and flats (2nd example) regardless of major or minor?

                        – Jacob Smolowe
                        Jun 4 at 15:55












                      • 2





                        Isn't that for memorizing the order of sharps (1st example) and flats (2nd example) regardless of major or minor?

                        – Jacob Smolowe
                        Jun 4 at 15:55







                      2




                      2





                      Isn't that for memorizing the order of sharps (1st example) and flats (2nd example) regardless of major or minor?

                      – Jacob Smolowe
                      Jun 4 at 15:55





                      Isn't that for memorizing the order of sharps (1st example) and flats (2nd example) regardless of major or minor?

                      – Jacob Smolowe
                      Jun 4 at 15:55



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