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How does lack of death go unnoticed? [closed]
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I am working on a close earth-analog. History has progressed into a modern-equivalent age. For purposes of the answers, current earth may be assumed.
For a period of about two weeks; death stops. Everywhere, for all humans. Accidents that would normally be fatal are no longer so, assassinations fail due to circumstance, diseases are halted or are cured entirely, and all other methods of death either fail, are of lesser impact or otherwise resolve.
Yet, none of this is noticed either during this time or after death resumes.
I am having trouble justifying this lack of notice, even if the individual circumstances behind survival all seem at least plausible. What other world element could I use to justify it, or use to distract the population (but which would not carry grave consequences of its own past the no-death period)?
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I am working on a close earth-analog. History has progressed into a modern-equivalent age. For purposes of the answers, current earth may be assumed.
For a period of about two weeks; death stops. Everywhere, for all humans. Accidents that would normally be fatal are no longer so, assassinations fail due to circumstance, diseases are halted or are cured entirely, and all other methods of death either fail, are of lesser impact or otherwise resolve.
Yet, none of this is noticed either during this time or after death resumes.
I am having trouble justifying this lack of notice, even if the individual circumstances behind survival all seem at least plausible. What other world element could I use to justify it, or use to distract the population (but which would not carry grave consequences of its own past the no-death period)?
death
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I am working on a close earth-analog. History has progressed into a modern-equivalent age. For purposes of the answers, current earth may be assumed.
For a period of about two weeks; death stops. Everywhere, for all humans. Accidents that would normally be fatal are no longer so, assassinations fail due to circumstance, diseases are halted or are cured entirely, and all other methods of death either fail, are of lesser impact or otherwise resolve.
Yet, none of this is noticed either during this time or after death resumes.
I am having trouble justifying this lack of notice, even if the individual circumstances behind survival all seem at least plausible. What other world element could I use to justify it, or use to distract the population (but which would not carry grave consequences of its own past the no-death period)?
death
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I am working on a close earth-analog. History has progressed into a modern-equivalent age. For purposes of the answers, current earth may be assumed.
For a period of about two weeks; death stops. Everywhere, for all humans. Accidents that would normally be fatal are no longer so, assassinations fail due to circumstance, diseases are halted or are cured entirely, and all other methods of death either fail, are of lesser impact or otherwise resolve.
Yet, none of this is noticed either during this time or after death resumes.
I am having trouble justifying this lack of notice, even if the individual circumstances behind survival all seem at least plausible. What other world element could I use to justify it, or use to distract the population (but which would not carry grave consequences of its own past the no-death period)?
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I don't think you have to have it go unnoticed, just go unremarked.
As people have said in comments, people will notice. Emergency departments will have a drop in critical cases, but some of those 'plausible circumstances' will also include the fact that because the numbers drop, those that do come in will have more attention applied to them, and therefore will be saved. People in palliative care, who are very close to dying, can hang on for some time in cases.
The undertakers will of course notice, as will the newspapers who don't get the obituary notices that they are used to either. But of course, the real question is whether or not any of this matters.
One of the beautiful things about probability distribution is that many inherently random sequences of numbers look like there's a pattern to them. I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but the important point is that many of the anomalies we see in data as scientists can be exactly that; anomalies brought on by some reasonably random element. It's the job of science to determine whether the anomalies are in fact manifestations of causality or some externally introduced noise.
Most statistics we keep on a given population is published at the monthly level. Unless someone had a legitimate reason for looking deeper, if your two weeks were spread over last week of the first month and first of the second month, people would notice a drop on both months as a point of interest and move on with their lives. Even if someone looked at it and said 'Hey, there's a two week gap of ANY death data here', it's likely to be dismissed as an anomaly in the data collection, rather than the actual death rate.
"Oh dear, the Births Deaths & Marriages Bureau is having trouble collating all the data from the registry offices again." It's the most reasonable explanation. If someone suspected something more sinister at play, standard practice would be to take some of the deaths that occurred immediately after and investigate them...
"Oh no, Sir. That person really died on that day. I remember because it was my RDO and when I came back to the nursing home they were gone..." The accidents would be even more difficult to investigate because by your own rules some of them just didn't happen, and the hospitals are not about to give up the positive outcomes percentage stat by admitting that they had more time to put into the urgent cases because less people were coming in over that period...
"Oh, no, not at all! That person was saved that day because of the skill of our doctors, not because of luck..."
After all that, it will likely be put down to a statistical anomaly, especially given the fact that the afore-mentioned anomalies can and do occur, and every attempt to prove it to be otherwise has failed.
Bottom line is that you can't stop people noticing; that's impossible. It's far harder though to get people to care about it enough to be paranoid about what will (with the exception of some specific localised examples) be seen as nothing more than a statistical anomaly.
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I don't know about this - there are news stories every single day about murders, house fires, car accidents, and plenty of other normally-fatal things. When someone is shot through the heart, burned to a crisp, or decapitated, but still survives, that's not a statistical anomaly, it's a biological impossibility. Reports on even just a few of these cases in the same week will be noticed, as each one individually is unheard of. The number of non-deaths could possibly get hidden in statistics, but the type of non-deaths will be discussed in the medical world for years to come.
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@NuclearWang OP did suggest though that these definitely fatal actions could simply not happen, so there might be no such cases to report on. Plus, I remember my local news once featured a story on a guy who got a metal pipe shoved through him, entering at his neck and exiting beneath his ribcage opposite from where it entered, somehow bypassing every major organ and artery (passing both heart and lungs on the way) to leave him, somehow, relatively unharmed despite having a metal pipe literally shoved through him.
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Basically, since OP allowed that the definitely fatal accidents could either be mitigated or simply not occur, this allows for examples like the one just described. The bullet just missed the heart and arteries or got lodged in a rib, or the guy swinging the blade misjudged and accidently lodged it in a nearby log or something instead. You might get a lot of miraculous and incredibly improbable circumstances, but impossible-to-survive injuries might actually not happen at all.
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I checkmarked this answer because it is most useful to me personally.
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– Weckar E.
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"I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but ..." you could, and let that not go unnoticed.
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Impossible.
I am working on a close earth-analog. History has progressed into a modern-equivalent age. For purposes of the answers, current earth may be assumed.
That's your basis and in this world there is no way that such a run of zero death would go unnoticed.
For a period of about two weeks; death stops. Everywhere, for all humans.
Accidents that would normally be fatal are no longer so
So every ER department and hospital will notice zero deaths for two weeks ! That alone would cause an instant investigation as to why. At the very least medical people would want to know how to keep making that happen.
I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths.
But that ain't all.
Just a few people monitoring and watching closely will be insurance companies (believe me - they'll notice all the money it's not costing them - that they'll keep !), first responders ("Hey, that guy who was decapitated is still alive !"), the morgue ("That's the hundredth corpse that got up !") and the odd suicide case ("but seriously I used explosives - what do I have to do ?").
assassinations fail due to circumstance
Assassins don't just try and if the first attempt fails for unknown reasons they give up and go home. "Finish the Job" means everything in that business. They're going to notice because eventually they're going to try smashing someone's skull to pulp with a large blunt object and that's not going to fail expect in very, very, very, very ... you get the idea. The thing to remember about murder is that leaving a live witness is absolutely not what you will opt for. Try, try and try again is the order of the day.
The same, incidentally, must be said for the military. Military bosses tend to get very irritated when they send people to wipe out something else and it doesn't happen. Not happening continuously for two weeks ? At some point people are going to start pointing weapons directly at the people who "fail" and when that doesn't work ever, they will think how odd it is.
diseases are halted or are cured entirely
So the patient with dead kidneys, rotten liver and a completely dead brain is going to be cured and you expect no one to notice this happen the many times it will in a hospital ? In ICU life support is turned off and a clinically dead person just stays alive ? You think they won't notice this happen ?
And you think they won't be even more suspicious when death "turns on" again and for no apparent reason the same people spontaneously die ?
Medical people tend to be curious about little things like that.
, and all other methods of death either fail, are of lesser impact or otherwise resolve.
So even if you ignore all the terminal cases and murders that fail despite repeated attempts, there's no way hospitals, the police, administrators, insurance companies and all those myriad of organizations that not only can't avoid death but in some way exist to serve it (the word "undertaker" leaps to mind) won't notice a 100% drop in work.
Think of the hundreds of thousands of YouTube videos on all those mobile phones capturing all the miracle not deaths. No one will notice ?
They'll notice.
Yet, none of this is noticed either during this time or after death resumes.
And this is even less likely.
For decades, maybe even centuries, people would be curious about why no deaths occurred for two weeks. Think of all the relatively minor historical mysteries whose resolution can have no bearing on our lives but which some people are still researching. Humans love mysteries and people will certainly notice.
But it's even worse than that.
Not only would they notice it but people would, during that two weeks, start experimenting and trying not death-defying, but certain-death stunts in the "certain belief" they'd survive. This will happen a lot and then, suddenly people will start dying again. Whoops. People, even idiots daft enough to try these things (many YouTubers leap to mind) will spot that the magic no longer works - but not spot it for long.
And then people will really start asking questions.
So your idea is, if I may put it this way, a dead duck. Eventually. :-)
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+1 for militaries noticing that they cannot kill their opponents for two weeks. Hospitals, insurance companies, and statistics are modern phenomena; it is barely conceivable that the original poster could have near-modern technology without them.
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Not necessarily... The soldiers or assassins do their jobs, and believe that their victims are dead or as good as dead... and indeed they might be, but the victims hang on until the end of the two weeks. They may be brain-dead, but until the processes of life have all ceased, that's just a technicality. Perhaps soldiers just don't need to shoot much that fortnight. Perhaps the assassin doesn't get a contract, and goes on with his day job instead. Maybe a hotshot ER doc witnesses a shooting and works a miracle with a pocket knife, a pen, some gaffa tape, tampons and a tube of superglue.
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– Monty Wild♦
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"I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths." Very rare, definitely noticed and celebrated.
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– SRM
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The OP did specify: "Accidents may not even happen" - so for various reasons there could be cease-fires, preferred non-lethal operations, taking hostages and so on for two weeks. And just leaving some enemy combatants "for dead" because they don't move, will mark them KIA, without them being actually really dead.
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@MontyWild One day of such miracles would still get noticed (24 hour news channels need something to fill in with !). Peace breaking out all over is even more likely to be noticed than just no death. One event goes (maybe) unnoticed, but not two weeks of this.
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Any global supernatural force capable of neutralising death in all its forms should be equally capable of inducing amnesia about death itself. Therefore, no-one will notice that death has stopped happening.
In the case of morticians and funeral operators they will all believe they are on holiday from their usual occupations.
Obviously the agency responsible for the temporary cessation of death is capable of foiling the circumstances leading to mortality is both selective and exhibits intelligence. Therefore, as an adjunct to stopping death it should be able to influence brain function too. So, global selective amnesia about death is the obvious route to make death going on holiday go unnoticed.
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Best answer here. People tend to forget that the question is asked in the context of a world where X can happen (even, possibly, the author, in this case). If X can happen, it's entirely logical that Y can happen.
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@msouth Thanks for the embarrassing kind comment. Congratulations on concisely grasping the logic of my answer. Making the world forget death is trivial compared to all the mechanisms that would need to be used to prevent all forms of dying. It was really obvious if X happened, then Y must be easy.
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I'm going to add to the "Not Possible" crowd but for reasons other than "undertakers."
Big Data. In the U.S. alone, you have Federal and state laws which mandate death statistics be collected, kept and analyzed. People are going to notice a periodic dip to 0 of fatalities because AI is going to chew through the statistics. Insurance companies are going to alter their business plans. Movie studios are going to attempt crazy stunts. Drug companies are going to do massive testing. The list can go on forever.
The best thing you could probably do then, is to turn this certainty of detection into a sub-plot. It could be serious in tone, or joking like Lois Lane being fooled by eyeglasses. It doesn't even need to be fleshed out completely, just enough to let the observer see that something is off and for whatever reason most people haven't noticed it, but he ones who have are exploiting it quietly. perhaps that creates danger for people who look too closely....
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The people most likely to notice a lack of death would be morticians and funeral celebrants. Their business relies upon people dying, so people not dying should be noticed in their bottom line.
So how could it not be?
The question implies that an outside agency is preventing death, and is using non-obvious methods, but is also not concealing the lack of human mortality.
The nature of a business in the post-life industries is that mortality is unpredictable. Statistics will show that there is a predictable human mortality rate, however this mortality rate is only predictable over relatively long periods of time. On a day to day timeframe, a certain number of "customers" can be expected, but random factors can mean that those numbers can vary significantly on any particular day, from many times the usual daily number, down to none at all.
Perhaps just before the non-death period starts, there was an upturn in the numbers of deaths where the next of kin request embalming and other more expensive and time-consuming funeral options, so funerals wouldn't necessarily stop, as they would be delayed pending completion of the arrangements. This would still occur even without any upturn in expensive funerals, though to a lesser degree.
Funerals for suspicious deaths would also be delayed for a considerable amount of while the deaths were investigated.
So, workers in the funeral industry would no doubt notice a downturn in business, but it wouldn't outright cease. Perhaps the next of kin went to the competition...
Then, after the non-death period, there would likely be a large number of people who, instead of dying, 'merely' fell into a coma. If their lives were being sustained, it is reasonable to expect an upturn after the period. So... people weren't dying, but more would die afterwards, so the funeral industry members individual bottom lines wouldn't necessarily be greatly altered on a yearly or even on a monthly basis. "It was just a statistical blip".
Only if people around the world started comparing experiences might they begin to become suspicious, but the increased numbers deaths after the exemption period would tend to make the people most likely to question it too busy to take the time.
As for doctors and nurses, their business is saving lives. They would hardly question their good fortune if none of their patients died.
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If you're a doctor in ER or a nurse in ICU you have to tell people a loved one has died with appalling regularity. No deaths for two weeks is going to be noticed and passes well beyond the "good fortune" category. And at the very least the civil servants who collect death rate stats from hospitals will launch an inquiry into why no hospital reported any death for two solid weeks ! Not reporting a death is typically an offense so, yes, apparently not reporting any deaths for two weeks will get attention until it's fully explained.
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Although the global death rate is predictable, it's not when you look closely at a small town over a short period. The individuals concerned are used to days when nobody dies on their watch, and can't tell that it's happening to everyone else.
The bigger problem comes with the people who see the bigger picture, like the registrar or crematorium. Our local crematorium holds several funerals a day, booked half an hour apart with an hour off for lunch, but they have to schedule about 3 weeks ahead to get such a smooth flow. If people suddenly stopped dying, they'd have 3 weeks of bookings to work through before they ran out. For the first week they probably wouldn't notice anything because they'd be dealing with events from the previous week. In the second week the might notice, but they don't normally spend all day taking bookings. They've still got other tasks to keep them busy.
Even if they notice that they've recorded no deaths for a week, they don't know that it's happening everywhere else.
A month or two later, someone would collate the statistics for a wider area and they would notice that something unnatural had happened.
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Impossible
Someone is going to jump off a very high building and survive. Some serial killer will decapitate a victim. Someone is going to go on a rampage with an AR15. Some car bomber is going to detonate in a crowded market.
All the miracle survival stories will pour out and into the media.
Reminds me of a story I read about an American newspaper that had on average ten obituaries per day. One day the lady who did them when on holiday and they had none placed for the two weeks she was away and when she returned, they went back to ten a day.
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No-one would try to commit suicide in a way that made their survival impossible according to the OP. Neither would anyone successfully commit a murder where the victim died immediately, though some might be comatose and die later. The car bomb would fizzle or get discovered and the would-be perp arrested, or it just happened that no-none was close enough to be killed outright - there were people with terrible injuries who did die... days or weeks later. Not impossible at all...
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@MontyWild But when the 10 drone attacks fail to work, someone is going to report on it and the military is going to investigate it. When a terrorists tries to stone or execute someone they will notice it. When an illegal organ harvesting hospital realizes the empty corpses are alive. General accidents and deaths aren't an issue. Its specific attacks that are meant to kill and have no way of failing that are the issue.
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@Shadowzee Remember that the OP said that no such things will happen. The drone might crash, the terrorist will hang out for a bigger impact on his target audience before shooting the hostages, and the illegal organ harvesters will take only one kidney... if there is even any call for illegal organs this fortnight. Where there are specific reasons to kill, for whatever reason they won't happen, or they will fail to kill the intended victim during the time in question for plausible or seemingly unrelated reasons.
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@MontyWild The OP is having a problem justifying a lack of deaths. Telling him that its impossible and presenting him with situations which would cause the issue to be noticed is a valid answer, Just as providing an alternative reason is also a valid answer.
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@Shadowzee, Then justify why deciding to kill someone and attempting to carry out that killing not resulting in a death for up to two weeks for a variety of plausible reasons would attract such strong attention. The OP has said that the intelligence mediating this comes up with plausible reasons why no death occurs, even by doing something retroactive to the death which would otherwise occur.
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Not possible without some influence from whatever is preventing the deaths in the first place.
At Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever. A period of two weeks without deaths would be an internationally notable event even if it was restricted to murders in one city.
[Edit] I was thinking more about this. You could shorten the period significantly to like 1 hour and then this would work. The entire world could go without death for an hour and I don't think it would be immediately obvious, especially with your stipulation that people aren't unkillable, they would just not end up in situations where they would die.
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"Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever." I'm sure I'm not the only person who had no idea that happened. I don't think you've torn down the premise so much as shown how small the gap is between this scenario and real-world statistical anomaly. It wouldn't take that much real-world human error or information-sharing boundaries to bridge that gap.
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As others pointed out: no, this is impossible. Not in our current world.
In order to make it possible, you have to change something. If you can somehow make people not care about the lack of death, then it could work. However, this has to be a VERY BIG change - not just trying to distract them, that won't work. You can't distract everybody and you can't occupy the attention of absolutely everybody for that long. You have to somehow make them have a complete blind spot in their mind for this phenomena. Here are some suggestions for how this could work:
- This is the realm of mind magic. Very, very powerful mind magic that affects the entire world. Some magician manages to just make every single person in the world turn a blind eye to otherwise miraculous survivals. A guy gets shot in the heart and walks away - onlookers should just shrug and go on their way.
- The sufficiently advanced technology equivalent is some sort of brainwash devices or waves. I can imagine satellites that can instantly brainwash the population.
- A slightly different approach is to consider "death" as metaphysical concept. Since it is eliminated (somehow), that doesn't just mean "nobody dies" but the whole idea of death is gone. The two are metaphysically linked, so not only can people not die, but now (for the next two weeks), nobody can even conceive of death. It's as if that was never a thing.
These approaches still leave gaps but somehow, these also need to be covered up by whatever method affects the people. For example:
- there would still be graveyards - the previously dead would stay dead, after all. It seems odd that nobody can die and yet there are these dead people there from before.
- Weapons that cause death of individuals like pistols are now mostly useless. These are wide-spread but...now they don't have a reason to exist.
- There are people who directly build their business dealing with the dead. For example, undertakers. Without death, why would they exist?
My personal idea is to half-acknowledge these but still turn a blind eye to them. After all, every single person somehow forgets death existed, it's not too much of a stretch to also have them engage in some doublethink. People can still go and visit the graves of their relatives and keep a gun around even though they know nobody can die. Undertakers might go to work every day and lament the lack of clients even though they simply cannot have clients.
A slight alternative is for the clashing ideas to manifest in some (possibly odd) justifications that people come up with due to the cognitive dissonance. They will know of graves but might forget that there are dead people in them. They could still go visit but as more of a habit. They'd know it's something about paying their respects to aunt Alice and uncle Bob but somehow don't make the mental connection that they are dead. A gun might find unorthodox uses - opening jars, or more extremely - as "toy" for children to play tag with. Undertakers might go and take care of the graves - they don't have anything else to do right now and that's sort of what they did before. They can go and tend to the "memorials" that definitely-don't-have-dead-people and have them nice and clean.
The utter inconceivability of death does require more changes than simply reconciling it with the existence of death before. The thinking of people needs to change and people should reconsider the intend to kill
- if the military wants to do an operation against an enemy force it would be weird to expect shooting to get them anywhere.
- Maybe they alter their plans to just blow up key structures - doesn't need to be "non-lethal", perhaps burying the enemies alive is accepted and expected. It is, after all, now the only way to incapacitate an enemy.
- criminals that wants to take out a target by shooting or stabbing them would be strange
- Instead the criminals might resort to torture or blackmail.
- In extreme cases, the old "bury a body in cement" or "let them sleep with the fishes" still works - the target is silenced, even if alive.
- trying to eliminate somebody for inheritance or other sort of gain would similarly undergo a change.
- ...OK, I thought to bring up the point but I've been racking my brain and can't think of a good alternative. Not without resulting with basically the same as "criminals" and dropping the rich uncle into concrete. But without death, that's not going to net you inheritance. Not to mention that "inheritance" would also not work, unless the cognitive dissonance somehow makes people enact that if a person is "missing".
When death comes back, so should the knowledge of it. It could be very jarring, however, if eliminating death also made people forget it, then perhaps reintroducing death also "magically" makes them immediately know the concept and not notice the difference. Not at first. This way you could have a more of a slow burn for the realisation. It might be a day or two until somebody notices and even then it might not immediately be noticed around the world. It could start with somebody going to the fridge for a pickle and suddenly thinking "Wait, Why did I use a gun to open this jar of pickles, I could have killed somebody". That doesn't immediately cause the discrepancy to be noticed but people will gradually start remembering acting differently for those two weeks without some discernable reason. Eventually, somebody is going to figure it out and connect some dots that nobody died, however that gives you more leeway for the reveal, not everybody suddenly going "WHY DIDN'T ANYBODY DIE" the second the two weeks run out.
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Just make people feel like they don't want to kill anybody during those two weeks.
As others have mentioned, while it's still possible that the lack of natural deaths or accidents goes unnoticed because of statistics perks, it's very likely that a living person with a totally smashed skull attracts the attention of the crowd.
So why not make that during those two weeks people don't have the desire to kill anyone, or have a very weak desire to do so?
All of a sudden, generals in war order a "fortnight period to study enemy's positions" instead of attacking. Missile launches are put off or canceled in order to verify some technical issues once more. Assassins who don't succeed at the first attempt are ordered to withdraw and wait for a more favourable moment. Would-have-been murderers just stop a bit and reflect about their life and find a better way to solve their ongoing situation. And so on.
This goes unnoticed because all those people simply genuinely want to do something else. Those who kill people professionally still want to do their job, just later. It's not that they don't want to accomplish their mission, it's that there's something more urgent to do now.
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You're going to need to cut off communications and drive people apart. I suggest a mega typhoon. Or maybe a whole set of them. Storms across the globe of epic intensity such that no one is really communicating, and they're all just grateful that their little corner of the world is wet but no one is dead. They can compare notes when the sun comes out.
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You basically have a patch that will stop people from dying.
The basic test is to intentinally kill someone.
In 2002, the statistic was one murder every 60 sec. Human have been testing your patch since the beginning of time. And scaled up into a stress test. People will notice. Most of the South America are currently trying to ddos, stress test and pen test the new rule.
Drug cartel, gouv, terrorist, military will notice.
And will come up with new test. And try to find limitation.
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In advanced countries with bureaucracies that rule most of the people on the planet, all deaths are supposed to be reported to official statistical bureaus. Depending on the average number of death reported per day to a specific organization, it may take days, hours, or minutes for someone to notice a big drop in reported deaths, and if they try contacting people to see why they are suddenly slow to report and learn that there are no deaths to report so far that will be news.
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I don't think you have to have it go unnoticed, just go unremarked.
As people have said in comments, people will notice. Emergency departments will have a drop in critical cases, but some of those 'plausible circumstances' will also include the fact that because the numbers drop, those that do come in will have more attention applied to them, and therefore will be saved. People in palliative care, who are very close to dying, can hang on for some time in cases.
The undertakers will of course notice, as will the newspapers who don't get the obituary notices that they are used to either. But of course, the real question is whether or not any of this matters.
One of the beautiful things about probability distribution is that many inherently random sequences of numbers look like there's a pattern to them. I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but the important point is that many of the anomalies we see in data as scientists can be exactly that; anomalies brought on by some reasonably random element. It's the job of science to determine whether the anomalies are in fact manifestations of causality or some externally introduced noise.
Most statistics we keep on a given population is published at the monthly level. Unless someone had a legitimate reason for looking deeper, if your two weeks were spread over last week of the first month and first of the second month, people would notice a drop on both months as a point of interest and move on with their lives. Even if someone looked at it and said 'Hey, there's a two week gap of ANY death data here', it's likely to be dismissed as an anomaly in the data collection, rather than the actual death rate.
"Oh dear, the Births Deaths & Marriages Bureau is having trouble collating all the data from the registry offices again." It's the most reasonable explanation. If someone suspected something more sinister at play, standard practice would be to take some of the deaths that occurred immediately after and investigate them...
"Oh no, Sir. That person really died on that day. I remember because it was my RDO and when I came back to the nursing home they were gone..." The accidents would be even more difficult to investigate because by your own rules some of them just didn't happen, and the hospitals are not about to give up the positive outcomes percentage stat by admitting that they had more time to put into the urgent cases because less people were coming in over that period...
"Oh, no, not at all! That person was saved that day because of the skill of our doctors, not because of luck..."
After all that, it will likely be put down to a statistical anomaly, especially given the fact that the afore-mentioned anomalies can and do occur, and every attempt to prove it to be otherwise has failed.
Bottom line is that you can't stop people noticing; that's impossible. It's far harder though to get people to care about it enough to be paranoid about what will (with the exception of some specific localised examples) be seen as nothing more than a statistical anomaly.
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I don't know about this - there are news stories every single day about murders, house fires, car accidents, and plenty of other normally-fatal things. When someone is shot through the heart, burned to a crisp, or decapitated, but still survives, that's not a statistical anomaly, it's a biological impossibility. Reports on even just a few of these cases in the same week will be noticed, as each one individually is unheard of. The number of non-deaths could possibly get hidden in statistics, but the type of non-deaths will be discussed in the medical world for years to come.
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@NuclearWang OP did suggest though that these definitely fatal actions could simply not happen, so there might be no such cases to report on. Plus, I remember my local news once featured a story on a guy who got a metal pipe shoved through him, entering at his neck and exiting beneath his ribcage opposite from where it entered, somehow bypassing every major organ and artery (passing both heart and lungs on the way) to leave him, somehow, relatively unharmed despite having a metal pipe literally shoved through him.
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Basically, since OP allowed that the definitely fatal accidents could either be mitigated or simply not occur, this allows for examples like the one just described. The bullet just missed the heart and arteries or got lodged in a rib, or the guy swinging the blade misjudged and accidently lodged it in a nearby log or something instead. You might get a lot of miraculous and incredibly improbable circumstances, but impossible-to-survive injuries might actually not happen at all.
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– Weckar E.
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"I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but ..." you could, and let that not go unnoticed.
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I don't think you have to have it go unnoticed, just go unremarked.
As people have said in comments, people will notice. Emergency departments will have a drop in critical cases, but some of those 'plausible circumstances' will also include the fact that because the numbers drop, those that do come in will have more attention applied to them, and therefore will be saved. People in palliative care, who are very close to dying, can hang on for some time in cases.
The undertakers will of course notice, as will the newspapers who don't get the obituary notices that they are used to either. But of course, the real question is whether or not any of this matters.
One of the beautiful things about probability distribution is that many inherently random sequences of numbers look like there's a pattern to them. I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but the important point is that many of the anomalies we see in data as scientists can be exactly that; anomalies brought on by some reasonably random element. It's the job of science to determine whether the anomalies are in fact manifestations of causality or some externally introduced noise.
Most statistics we keep on a given population is published at the monthly level. Unless someone had a legitimate reason for looking deeper, if your two weeks were spread over last week of the first month and first of the second month, people would notice a drop on both months as a point of interest and move on with their lives. Even if someone looked at it and said 'Hey, there's a two week gap of ANY death data here', it's likely to be dismissed as an anomaly in the data collection, rather than the actual death rate.
"Oh dear, the Births Deaths & Marriages Bureau is having trouble collating all the data from the registry offices again." It's the most reasonable explanation. If someone suspected something more sinister at play, standard practice would be to take some of the deaths that occurred immediately after and investigate them...
"Oh no, Sir. That person really died on that day. I remember because it was my RDO and when I came back to the nursing home they were gone..." The accidents would be even more difficult to investigate because by your own rules some of them just didn't happen, and the hospitals are not about to give up the positive outcomes percentage stat by admitting that they had more time to put into the urgent cases because less people were coming in over that period...
"Oh, no, not at all! That person was saved that day because of the skill of our doctors, not because of luck..."
After all that, it will likely be put down to a statistical anomaly, especially given the fact that the afore-mentioned anomalies can and do occur, and every attempt to prove it to be otherwise has failed.
Bottom line is that you can't stop people noticing; that's impossible. It's far harder though to get people to care about it enough to be paranoid about what will (with the exception of some specific localised examples) be seen as nothing more than a statistical anomaly.
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I don't know about this - there are news stories every single day about murders, house fires, car accidents, and plenty of other normally-fatal things. When someone is shot through the heart, burned to a crisp, or decapitated, but still survives, that's not a statistical anomaly, it's a biological impossibility. Reports on even just a few of these cases in the same week will be noticed, as each one individually is unheard of. The number of non-deaths could possibly get hidden in statistics, but the type of non-deaths will be discussed in the medical world for years to come.
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– Nuclear Wang
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@NuclearWang OP did suggest though that these definitely fatal actions could simply not happen, so there might be no such cases to report on. Plus, I remember my local news once featured a story on a guy who got a metal pipe shoved through him, entering at his neck and exiting beneath his ribcage opposite from where it entered, somehow bypassing every major organ and artery (passing both heart and lungs on the way) to leave him, somehow, relatively unharmed despite having a metal pipe literally shoved through him.
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Basically, since OP allowed that the definitely fatal accidents could either be mitigated or simply not occur, this allows for examples like the one just described. The bullet just missed the heart and arteries or got lodged in a rib, or the guy swinging the blade misjudged and accidently lodged it in a nearby log or something instead. You might get a lot of miraculous and incredibly improbable circumstances, but impossible-to-survive injuries might actually not happen at all.
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I checkmarked this answer because it is most useful to me personally.
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– Weckar E.
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"I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but ..." you could, and let that not go unnoticed.
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I don't think you have to have it go unnoticed, just go unremarked.
As people have said in comments, people will notice. Emergency departments will have a drop in critical cases, but some of those 'plausible circumstances' will also include the fact that because the numbers drop, those that do come in will have more attention applied to them, and therefore will be saved. People in palliative care, who are very close to dying, can hang on for some time in cases.
The undertakers will of course notice, as will the newspapers who don't get the obituary notices that they are used to either. But of course, the real question is whether or not any of this matters.
One of the beautiful things about probability distribution is that many inherently random sequences of numbers look like there's a pattern to them. I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but the important point is that many of the anomalies we see in data as scientists can be exactly that; anomalies brought on by some reasonably random element. It's the job of science to determine whether the anomalies are in fact manifestations of causality or some externally introduced noise.
Most statistics we keep on a given population is published at the monthly level. Unless someone had a legitimate reason for looking deeper, if your two weeks were spread over last week of the first month and first of the second month, people would notice a drop on both months as a point of interest and move on with their lives. Even if someone looked at it and said 'Hey, there's a two week gap of ANY death data here', it's likely to be dismissed as an anomaly in the data collection, rather than the actual death rate.
"Oh dear, the Births Deaths & Marriages Bureau is having trouble collating all the data from the registry offices again." It's the most reasonable explanation. If someone suspected something more sinister at play, standard practice would be to take some of the deaths that occurred immediately after and investigate them...
"Oh no, Sir. That person really died on that day. I remember because it was my RDO and when I came back to the nursing home they were gone..." The accidents would be even more difficult to investigate because by your own rules some of them just didn't happen, and the hospitals are not about to give up the positive outcomes percentage stat by admitting that they had more time to put into the urgent cases because less people were coming in over that period...
"Oh, no, not at all! That person was saved that day because of the skill of our doctors, not because of luck..."
After all that, it will likely be put down to a statistical anomaly, especially given the fact that the afore-mentioned anomalies can and do occur, and every attempt to prove it to be otherwise has failed.
Bottom line is that you can't stop people noticing; that's impossible. It's far harder though to get people to care about it enough to be paranoid about what will (with the exception of some specific localised examples) be seen as nothing more than a statistical anomaly.
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I don't think you have to have it go unnoticed, just go unremarked.
As people have said in comments, people will notice. Emergency departments will have a drop in critical cases, but some of those 'plausible circumstances' will also include the fact that because the numbers drop, those that do come in will have more attention applied to them, and therefore will be saved. People in palliative care, who are very close to dying, can hang on for some time in cases.
The undertakers will of course notice, as will the newspapers who don't get the obituary notices that they are used to either. But of course, the real question is whether or not any of this matters.
One of the beautiful things about probability distribution is that many inherently random sequences of numbers look like there's a pattern to them. I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but the important point is that many of the anomalies we see in data as scientists can be exactly that; anomalies brought on by some reasonably random element. It's the job of science to determine whether the anomalies are in fact manifestations of causality or some externally introduced noise.
Most statistics we keep on a given population is published at the monthly level. Unless someone had a legitimate reason for looking deeper, if your two weeks were spread over last week of the first month and first of the second month, people would notice a drop on both months as a point of interest and move on with their lives. Even if someone looked at it and said 'Hey, there's a two week gap of ANY death data here', it's likely to be dismissed as an anomaly in the data collection, rather than the actual death rate.
"Oh dear, the Births Deaths & Marriages Bureau is having trouble collating all the data from the registry offices again." It's the most reasonable explanation. If someone suspected something more sinister at play, standard practice would be to take some of the deaths that occurred immediately after and investigate them...
"Oh no, Sir. That person really died on that day. I remember because it was my RDO and when I came back to the nursing home they were gone..." The accidents would be even more difficult to investigate because by your own rules some of them just didn't happen, and the hospitals are not about to give up the positive outcomes percentage stat by admitting that they had more time to put into the urgent cases because less people were coming in over that period...
"Oh, no, not at all! That person was saved that day because of the skill of our doctors, not because of luck..."
After all that, it will likely be put down to a statistical anomaly, especially given the fact that the afore-mentioned anomalies can and do occur, and every attempt to prove it to be otherwise has failed.
Bottom line is that you can't stop people noticing; that's impossible. It's far harder though to get people to care about it enough to be paranoid about what will (with the exception of some specific localised examples) be seen as nothing more than a statistical anomaly.
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I don't know about this - there are news stories every single day about murders, house fires, car accidents, and plenty of other normally-fatal things. When someone is shot through the heart, burned to a crisp, or decapitated, but still survives, that's not a statistical anomaly, it's a biological impossibility. Reports on even just a few of these cases in the same week will be noticed, as each one individually is unheard of. The number of non-deaths could possibly get hidden in statistics, but the type of non-deaths will be discussed in the medical world for years to come.
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@NuclearWang OP did suggest though that these definitely fatal actions could simply not happen, so there might be no such cases to report on. Plus, I remember my local news once featured a story on a guy who got a metal pipe shoved through him, entering at his neck and exiting beneath his ribcage opposite from where it entered, somehow bypassing every major organ and artery (passing both heart and lungs on the way) to leave him, somehow, relatively unharmed despite having a metal pipe literally shoved through him.
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Basically, since OP allowed that the definitely fatal accidents could either be mitigated or simply not occur, this allows for examples like the one just described. The bullet just missed the heart and arteries or got lodged in a rib, or the guy swinging the blade misjudged and accidently lodged it in a nearby log or something instead. You might get a lot of miraculous and incredibly improbable circumstances, but impossible-to-survive injuries might actually not happen at all.
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I checkmarked this answer because it is most useful to me personally.
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– Weckar E.
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"I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but ..." you could, and let that not go unnoticed.
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I don't know about this - there are news stories every single day about murders, house fires, car accidents, and plenty of other normally-fatal things. When someone is shot through the heart, burned to a crisp, or decapitated, but still survives, that's not a statistical anomaly, it's a biological impossibility. Reports on even just a few of these cases in the same week will be noticed, as each one individually is unheard of. The number of non-deaths could possibly get hidden in statistics, but the type of non-deaths will be discussed in the medical world for years to come.
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@NuclearWang OP did suggest though that these definitely fatal actions could simply not happen, so there might be no such cases to report on. Plus, I remember my local news once featured a story on a guy who got a metal pipe shoved through him, entering at his neck and exiting beneath his ribcage opposite from where it entered, somehow bypassing every major organ and artery (passing both heart and lungs on the way) to leave him, somehow, relatively unharmed despite having a metal pipe literally shoved through him.
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Basically, since OP allowed that the definitely fatal accidents could either be mitigated or simply not occur, this allows for examples like the one just described. The bullet just missed the heart and arteries or got lodged in a rib, or the guy swinging the blade misjudged and accidently lodged it in a nearby log or something instead. You might get a lot of miraculous and incredibly improbable circumstances, but impossible-to-survive injuries might actually not happen at all.
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I checkmarked this answer because it is most useful to me personally.
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– Weckar E.
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"I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but ..." you could, and let that not go unnoticed.
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I don't know about this - there are news stories every single day about murders, house fires, car accidents, and plenty of other normally-fatal things. When someone is shot through the heart, burned to a crisp, or decapitated, but still survives, that's not a statistical anomaly, it's a biological impossibility. Reports on even just a few of these cases in the same week will be noticed, as each one individually is unheard of. The number of non-deaths could possibly get hidden in statistics, but the type of non-deaths will be discussed in the medical world for years to come.
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– Nuclear Wang
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I don't know about this - there are news stories every single day about murders, house fires, car accidents, and plenty of other normally-fatal things. When someone is shot through the heart, burned to a crisp, or decapitated, but still survives, that's not a statistical anomaly, it's a biological impossibility. Reports on even just a few of these cases in the same week will be noticed, as each one individually is unheard of. The number of non-deaths could possibly get hidden in statistics, but the type of non-deaths will be discussed in the medical world for years to come.
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@NuclearWang OP did suggest though that these definitely fatal actions could simply not happen, so there might be no such cases to report on. Plus, I remember my local news once featured a story on a guy who got a metal pipe shoved through him, entering at his neck and exiting beneath his ribcage opposite from where it entered, somehow bypassing every major organ and artery (passing both heart and lungs on the way) to leave him, somehow, relatively unharmed despite having a metal pipe literally shoved through him.
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– MrSpudtastic
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@NuclearWang OP did suggest though that these definitely fatal actions could simply not happen, so there might be no such cases to report on. Plus, I remember my local news once featured a story on a guy who got a metal pipe shoved through him, entering at his neck and exiting beneath his ribcage opposite from where it entered, somehow bypassing every major organ and artery (passing both heart and lungs on the way) to leave him, somehow, relatively unharmed despite having a metal pipe literally shoved through him.
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Basically, since OP allowed that the definitely fatal accidents could either be mitigated or simply not occur, this allows for examples like the one just described. The bullet just missed the heart and arteries or got lodged in a rib, or the guy swinging the blade misjudged and accidently lodged it in a nearby log or something instead. You might get a lot of miraculous and incredibly improbable circumstances, but impossible-to-survive injuries might actually not happen at all.
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– MrSpudtastic
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Basically, since OP allowed that the definitely fatal accidents could either be mitigated or simply not occur, this allows for examples like the one just described. The bullet just missed the heart and arteries or got lodged in a rib, or the guy swinging the blade misjudged and accidently lodged it in a nearby log or something instead. You might get a lot of miraculous and incredibly improbable circumstances, but impossible-to-survive injuries might actually not happen at all.
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I checkmarked this answer because it is most useful to me personally.
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"I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but ..." you could, and let that not go unnoticed.
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– Michael Cole
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"I shan't rehearse the entirety of probability distribution mathematics here as most of it would be out of scope but ..." you could, and let that not go unnoticed.
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Impossible.
I am working on a close earth-analog. History has progressed into a modern-equivalent age. For purposes of the answers, current earth may be assumed.
That's your basis and in this world there is no way that such a run of zero death would go unnoticed.
For a period of about two weeks; death stops. Everywhere, for all humans.
Accidents that would normally be fatal are no longer so
So every ER department and hospital will notice zero deaths for two weeks ! That alone would cause an instant investigation as to why. At the very least medical people would want to know how to keep making that happen.
I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths.
But that ain't all.
Just a few people monitoring and watching closely will be insurance companies (believe me - they'll notice all the money it's not costing them - that they'll keep !), first responders ("Hey, that guy who was decapitated is still alive !"), the morgue ("That's the hundredth corpse that got up !") and the odd suicide case ("but seriously I used explosives - what do I have to do ?").
assassinations fail due to circumstance
Assassins don't just try and if the first attempt fails for unknown reasons they give up and go home. "Finish the Job" means everything in that business. They're going to notice because eventually they're going to try smashing someone's skull to pulp with a large blunt object and that's not going to fail expect in very, very, very, very ... you get the idea. The thing to remember about murder is that leaving a live witness is absolutely not what you will opt for. Try, try and try again is the order of the day.
The same, incidentally, must be said for the military. Military bosses tend to get very irritated when they send people to wipe out something else and it doesn't happen. Not happening continuously for two weeks ? At some point people are going to start pointing weapons directly at the people who "fail" and when that doesn't work ever, they will think how odd it is.
diseases are halted or are cured entirely
So the patient with dead kidneys, rotten liver and a completely dead brain is going to be cured and you expect no one to notice this happen the many times it will in a hospital ? In ICU life support is turned off and a clinically dead person just stays alive ? You think they won't notice this happen ?
And you think they won't be even more suspicious when death "turns on" again and for no apparent reason the same people spontaneously die ?
Medical people tend to be curious about little things like that.
, and all other methods of death either fail, are of lesser impact or otherwise resolve.
So even if you ignore all the terminal cases and murders that fail despite repeated attempts, there's no way hospitals, the police, administrators, insurance companies and all those myriad of organizations that not only can't avoid death but in some way exist to serve it (the word "undertaker" leaps to mind) won't notice a 100% drop in work.
Think of the hundreds of thousands of YouTube videos on all those mobile phones capturing all the miracle not deaths. No one will notice ?
They'll notice.
Yet, none of this is noticed either during this time or after death resumes.
And this is even less likely.
For decades, maybe even centuries, people would be curious about why no deaths occurred for two weeks. Think of all the relatively minor historical mysteries whose resolution can have no bearing on our lives but which some people are still researching. Humans love mysteries and people will certainly notice.
But it's even worse than that.
Not only would they notice it but people would, during that two weeks, start experimenting and trying not death-defying, but certain-death stunts in the "certain belief" they'd survive. This will happen a lot and then, suddenly people will start dying again. Whoops. People, even idiots daft enough to try these things (many YouTubers leap to mind) will spot that the magic no longer works - but not spot it for long.
And then people will really start asking questions.
So your idea is, if I may put it this way, a dead duck. Eventually. :-)
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+1 for militaries noticing that they cannot kill their opponents for two weeks. Hospitals, insurance companies, and statistics are modern phenomena; it is barely conceivable that the original poster could have near-modern technology without them.
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– Jasper
Jun 28 at 4:19
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Not necessarily... The soldiers or assassins do their jobs, and believe that their victims are dead or as good as dead... and indeed they might be, but the victims hang on until the end of the two weeks. They may be brain-dead, but until the processes of life have all ceased, that's just a technicality. Perhaps soldiers just don't need to shoot much that fortnight. Perhaps the assassin doesn't get a contract, and goes on with his day job instead. Maybe a hotshot ER doc witnesses a shooting and works a miracle with a pocket knife, a pen, some gaffa tape, tampons and a tube of superglue.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 5:09
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"I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths." Very rare, definitely noticed and celebrated.
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– SRM
Jun 28 at 6:32
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The OP did specify: "Accidents may not even happen" - so for various reasons there could be cease-fires, preferred non-lethal operations, taking hostages and so on for two weeks. And just leaving some enemy combatants "for dead" because they don't move, will mark them KIA, without them being actually really dead.
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– Falco
Jun 28 at 12:41
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@MontyWild One day of such miracles would still get noticed (24 hour news channels need something to fill in with !). Peace breaking out all over is even more likely to be noticed than just no death. One event goes (maybe) unnoticed, but not two weeks of this.
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Jun 28 at 13:17
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Impossible.
I am working on a close earth-analog. History has progressed into a modern-equivalent age. For purposes of the answers, current earth may be assumed.
That's your basis and in this world there is no way that such a run of zero death would go unnoticed.
For a period of about two weeks; death stops. Everywhere, for all humans.
Accidents that would normally be fatal are no longer so
So every ER department and hospital will notice zero deaths for two weeks ! That alone would cause an instant investigation as to why. At the very least medical people would want to know how to keep making that happen.
I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths.
But that ain't all.
Just a few people monitoring and watching closely will be insurance companies (believe me - they'll notice all the money it's not costing them - that they'll keep !), first responders ("Hey, that guy who was decapitated is still alive !"), the morgue ("That's the hundredth corpse that got up !") and the odd suicide case ("but seriously I used explosives - what do I have to do ?").
assassinations fail due to circumstance
Assassins don't just try and if the first attempt fails for unknown reasons they give up and go home. "Finish the Job" means everything in that business. They're going to notice because eventually they're going to try smashing someone's skull to pulp with a large blunt object and that's not going to fail expect in very, very, very, very ... you get the idea. The thing to remember about murder is that leaving a live witness is absolutely not what you will opt for. Try, try and try again is the order of the day.
The same, incidentally, must be said for the military. Military bosses tend to get very irritated when they send people to wipe out something else and it doesn't happen. Not happening continuously for two weeks ? At some point people are going to start pointing weapons directly at the people who "fail" and when that doesn't work ever, they will think how odd it is.
diseases are halted or are cured entirely
So the patient with dead kidneys, rotten liver and a completely dead brain is going to be cured and you expect no one to notice this happen the many times it will in a hospital ? In ICU life support is turned off and a clinically dead person just stays alive ? You think they won't notice this happen ?
And you think they won't be even more suspicious when death "turns on" again and for no apparent reason the same people spontaneously die ?
Medical people tend to be curious about little things like that.
, and all other methods of death either fail, are of lesser impact or otherwise resolve.
So even if you ignore all the terminal cases and murders that fail despite repeated attempts, there's no way hospitals, the police, administrators, insurance companies and all those myriad of organizations that not only can't avoid death but in some way exist to serve it (the word "undertaker" leaps to mind) won't notice a 100% drop in work.
Think of the hundreds of thousands of YouTube videos on all those mobile phones capturing all the miracle not deaths. No one will notice ?
They'll notice.
Yet, none of this is noticed either during this time or after death resumes.
And this is even less likely.
For decades, maybe even centuries, people would be curious about why no deaths occurred for two weeks. Think of all the relatively minor historical mysteries whose resolution can have no bearing on our lives but which some people are still researching. Humans love mysteries and people will certainly notice.
But it's even worse than that.
Not only would they notice it but people would, during that two weeks, start experimenting and trying not death-defying, but certain-death stunts in the "certain belief" they'd survive. This will happen a lot and then, suddenly people will start dying again. Whoops. People, even idiots daft enough to try these things (many YouTubers leap to mind) will spot that the magic no longer works - but not spot it for long.
And then people will really start asking questions.
So your idea is, if I may put it this way, a dead duck. Eventually. :-)
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+1 for militaries noticing that they cannot kill their opponents for two weeks. Hospitals, insurance companies, and statistics are modern phenomena; it is barely conceivable that the original poster could have near-modern technology without them.
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– Jasper
Jun 28 at 4:19
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Not necessarily... The soldiers or assassins do their jobs, and believe that their victims are dead or as good as dead... and indeed they might be, but the victims hang on until the end of the two weeks. They may be brain-dead, but until the processes of life have all ceased, that's just a technicality. Perhaps soldiers just don't need to shoot much that fortnight. Perhaps the assassin doesn't get a contract, and goes on with his day job instead. Maybe a hotshot ER doc witnesses a shooting and works a miracle with a pocket knife, a pen, some gaffa tape, tampons and a tube of superglue.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 5:09
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"I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths." Very rare, definitely noticed and celebrated.
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– SRM
Jun 28 at 6:32
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The OP did specify: "Accidents may not even happen" - so for various reasons there could be cease-fires, preferred non-lethal operations, taking hostages and so on for two weeks. And just leaving some enemy combatants "for dead" because they don't move, will mark them KIA, without them being actually really dead.
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– Falco
Jun 28 at 12:41
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@MontyWild One day of such miracles would still get noticed (24 hour news channels need something to fill in with !). Peace breaking out all over is even more likely to be noticed than just no death. One event goes (maybe) unnoticed, but not two weeks of this.
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– StephenG
Jun 28 at 13:17
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Impossible.
I am working on a close earth-analog. History has progressed into a modern-equivalent age. For purposes of the answers, current earth may be assumed.
That's your basis and in this world there is no way that such a run of zero death would go unnoticed.
For a period of about two weeks; death stops. Everywhere, for all humans.
Accidents that would normally be fatal are no longer so
So every ER department and hospital will notice zero deaths for two weeks ! That alone would cause an instant investigation as to why. At the very least medical people would want to know how to keep making that happen.
I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths.
But that ain't all.
Just a few people monitoring and watching closely will be insurance companies (believe me - they'll notice all the money it's not costing them - that they'll keep !), first responders ("Hey, that guy who was decapitated is still alive !"), the morgue ("That's the hundredth corpse that got up !") and the odd suicide case ("but seriously I used explosives - what do I have to do ?").
assassinations fail due to circumstance
Assassins don't just try and if the first attempt fails for unknown reasons they give up and go home. "Finish the Job" means everything in that business. They're going to notice because eventually they're going to try smashing someone's skull to pulp with a large blunt object and that's not going to fail expect in very, very, very, very ... you get the idea. The thing to remember about murder is that leaving a live witness is absolutely not what you will opt for. Try, try and try again is the order of the day.
The same, incidentally, must be said for the military. Military bosses tend to get very irritated when they send people to wipe out something else and it doesn't happen. Not happening continuously for two weeks ? At some point people are going to start pointing weapons directly at the people who "fail" and when that doesn't work ever, they will think how odd it is.
diseases are halted or are cured entirely
So the patient with dead kidneys, rotten liver and a completely dead brain is going to be cured and you expect no one to notice this happen the many times it will in a hospital ? In ICU life support is turned off and a clinically dead person just stays alive ? You think they won't notice this happen ?
And you think they won't be even more suspicious when death "turns on" again and for no apparent reason the same people spontaneously die ?
Medical people tend to be curious about little things like that.
, and all other methods of death either fail, are of lesser impact or otherwise resolve.
So even if you ignore all the terminal cases and murders that fail despite repeated attempts, there's no way hospitals, the police, administrators, insurance companies and all those myriad of organizations that not only can't avoid death but in some way exist to serve it (the word "undertaker" leaps to mind) won't notice a 100% drop in work.
Think of the hundreds of thousands of YouTube videos on all those mobile phones capturing all the miracle not deaths. No one will notice ?
They'll notice.
Yet, none of this is noticed either during this time or after death resumes.
And this is even less likely.
For decades, maybe even centuries, people would be curious about why no deaths occurred for two weeks. Think of all the relatively minor historical mysteries whose resolution can have no bearing on our lives but which some people are still researching. Humans love mysteries and people will certainly notice.
But it's even worse than that.
Not only would they notice it but people would, during that two weeks, start experimenting and trying not death-defying, but certain-death stunts in the "certain belief" they'd survive. This will happen a lot and then, suddenly people will start dying again. Whoops. People, even idiots daft enough to try these things (many YouTubers leap to mind) will spot that the magic no longer works - but not spot it for long.
And then people will really start asking questions.
So your idea is, if I may put it this way, a dead duck. Eventually. :-)
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Impossible.
I am working on a close earth-analog. History has progressed into a modern-equivalent age. For purposes of the answers, current earth may be assumed.
That's your basis and in this world there is no way that such a run of zero death would go unnoticed.
For a period of about two weeks; death stops. Everywhere, for all humans.
Accidents that would normally be fatal are no longer so
So every ER department and hospital will notice zero deaths for two weeks ! That alone would cause an instant investigation as to why. At the very least medical people would want to know how to keep making that happen.
I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths.
But that ain't all.
Just a few people monitoring and watching closely will be insurance companies (believe me - they'll notice all the money it's not costing them - that they'll keep !), first responders ("Hey, that guy who was decapitated is still alive !"), the morgue ("That's the hundredth corpse that got up !") and the odd suicide case ("but seriously I used explosives - what do I have to do ?").
assassinations fail due to circumstance
Assassins don't just try and if the first attempt fails for unknown reasons they give up and go home. "Finish the Job" means everything in that business. They're going to notice because eventually they're going to try smashing someone's skull to pulp with a large blunt object and that's not going to fail expect in very, very, very, very ... you get the idea. The thing to remember about murder is that leaving a live witness is absolutely not what you will opt for. Try, try and try again is the order of the day.
The same, incidentally, must be said for the military. Military bosses tend to get very irritated when they send people to wipe out something else and it doesn't happen. Not happening continuously for two weeks ? At some point people are going to start pointing weapons directly at the people who "fail" and when that doesn't work ever, they will think how odd it is.
diseases are halted or are cured entirely
So the patient with dead kidneys, rotten liver and a completely dead brain is going to be cured and you expect no one to notice this happen the many times it will in a hospital ? In ICU life support is turned off and a clinically dead person just stays alive ? You think they won't notice this happen ?
And you think they won't be even more suspicious when death "turns on" again and for no apparent reason the same people spontaneously die ?
Medical people tend to be curious about little things like that.
, and all other methods of death either fail, are of lesser impact or otherwise resolve.
So even if you ignore all the terminal cases and murders that fail despite repeated attempts, there's no way hospitals, the police, administrators, insurance companies and all those myriad of organizations that not only can't avoid death but in some way exist to serve it (the word "undertaker" leaps to mind) won't notice a 100% drop in work.
Think of the hundreds of thousands of YouTube videos on all those mobile phones capturing all the miracle not deaths. No one will notice ?
They'll notice.
Yet, none of this is noticed either during this time or after death resumes.
And this is even less likely.
For decades, maybe even centuries, people would be curious about why no deaths occurred for two weeks. Think of all the relatively minor historical mysteries whose resolution can have no bearing on our lives but which some people are still researching. Humans love mysteries and people will certainly notice.
But it's even worse than that.
Not only would they notice it but people would, during that two weeks, start experimenting and trying not death-defying, but certain-death stunts in the "certain belief" they'd survive. This will happen a lot and then, suddenly people will start dying again. Whoops. People, even idiots daft enough to try these things (many YouTubers leap to mind) will spot that the magic no longer works - but not spot it for long.
And then people will really start asking questions.
So your idea is, if I may put it this way, a dead duck. Eventually. :-)
answered Jun 28 at 3:57
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+1 for militaries noticing that they cannot kill their opponents for two weeks. Hospitals, insurance companies, and statistics are modern phenomena; it is barely conceivable that the original poster could have near-modern technology without them.
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– Jasper
Jun 28 at 4:19
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Not necessarily... The soldiers or assassins do their jobs, and believe that their victims are dead or as good as dead... and indeed they might be, but the victims hang on until the end of the two weeks. They may be brain-dead, but until the processes of life have all ceased, that's just a technicality. Perhaps soldiers just don't need to shoot much that fortnight. Perhaps the assassin doesn't get a contract, and goes on with his day job instead. Maybe a hotshot ER doc witnesses a shooting and works a miracle with a pocket knife, a pen, some gaffa tape, tampons and a tube of superglue.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 5:09
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"I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths." Very rare, definitely noticed and celebrated.
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– SRM
Jun 28 at 6:32
1
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The OP did specify: "Accidents may not even happen" - so for various reasons there could be cease-fires, preferred non-lethal operations, taking hostages and so on for two weeks. And just leaving some enemy combatants "for dead" because they don't move, will mark them KIA, without them being actually really dead.
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– Falco
Jun 28 at 12:41
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@MontyWild One day of such miracles would still get noticed (24 hour news channels need something to fill in with !). Peace breaking out all over is even more likely to be noticed than just no death. One event goes (maybe) unnoticed, but not two weeks of this.
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– StephenG
Jun 28 at 13:17
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+1 for militaries noticing that they cannot kill their opponents for two weeks. Hospitals, insurance companies, and statistics are modern phenomena; it is barely conceivable that the original poster could have near-modern technology without them.
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– Jasper
Jun 28 at 4:19
7
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Not necessarily... The soldiers or assassins do their jobs, and believe that their victims are dead or as good as dead... and indeed they might be, but the victims hang on until the end of the two weeks. They may be brain-dead, but until the processes of life have all ceased, that's just a technicality. Perhaps soldiers just don't need to shoot much that fortnight. Perhaps the assassin doesn't get a contract, and goes on with his day job instead. Maybe a hotshot ER doc witnesses a shooting and works a miracle with a pocket knife, a pen, some gaffa tape, tampons and a tube of superglue.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 5:09
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"I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths." Very rare, definitely noticed and celebrated.
$endgroup$
– SRM
Jun 28 at 6:32
1
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The OP did specify: "Accidents may not even happen" - so for various reasons there could be cease-fires, preferred non-lethal operations, taking hostages and so on for two weeks. And just leaving some enemy combatants "for dead" because they don't move, will mark them KIA, without them being actually really dead.
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– Falco
Jun 28 at 12:41
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@MontyWild One day of such miracles would still get noticed (24 hour news channels need something to fill in with !). Peace breaking out all over is even more likely to be noticed than just no death. One event goes (maybe) unnoticed, but not two weeks of this.
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– StephenG
Jun 28 at 13:17
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+1 for militaries noticing that they cannot kill their opponents for two weeks. Hospitals, insurance companies, and statistics are modern phenomena; it is barely conceivable that the original poster could have near-modern technology without them.
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– Jasper
Jun 28 at 4:19
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+1 for militaries noticing that they cannot kill their opponents for two weeks. Hospitals, insurance companies, and statistics are modern phenomena; it is barely conceivable that the original poster could have near-modern technology without them.
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– Jasper
Jun 28 at 4:19
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Not necessarily... The soldiers or assassins do their jobs, and believe that their victims are dead or as good as dead... and indeed they might be, but the victims hang on until the end of the two weeks. They may be brain-dead, but until the processes of life have all ceased, that's just a technicality. Perhaps soldiers just don't need to shoot much that fortnight. Perhaps the assassin doesn't get a contract, and goes on with his day job instead. Maybe a hotshot ER doc witnesses a shooting and works a miracle with a pocket knife, a pen, some gaffa tape, tampons and a tube of superglue.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 5:09
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Not necessarily... The soldiers or assassins do their jobs, and believe that their victims are dead or as good as dead... and indeed they might be, but the victims hang on until the end of the two weeks. They may be brain-dead, but until the processes of life have all ceased, that's just a technicality. Perhaps soldiers just don't need to shoot much that fortnight. Perhaps the assassin doesn't get a contract, and goes on with his day job instead. Maybe a hotshot ER doc witnesses a shooting and works a miracle with a pocket knife, a pen, some gaffa tape, tampons and a tube of superglue.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 5:09
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"I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths." Very rare, definitely noticed and celebrated.
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– SRM
Jun 28 at 6:32
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"I wonder if any major hospital has ever experienced a day with zero deaths." Very rare, definitely noticed and celebrated.
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– SRM
Jun 28 at 6:32
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The OP did specify: "Accidents may not even happen" - so for various reasons there could be cease-fires, preferred non-lethal operations, taking hostages and so on for two weeks. And just leaving some enemy combatants "for dead" because they don't move, will mark them KIA, without them being actually really dead.
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– Falco
Jun 28 at 12:41
$begingroup$
The OP did specify: "Accidents may not even happen" - so for various reasons there could be cease-fires, preferred non-lethal operations, taking hostages and so on for two weeks. And just leaving some enemy combatants "for dead" because they don't move, will mark them KIA, without them being actually really dead.
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– Falco
Jun 28 at 12:41
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@MontyWild One day of such miracles would still get noticed (24 hour news channels need something to fill in with !). Peace breaking out all over is even more likely to be noticed than just no death. One event goes (maybe) unnoticed, but not two weeks of this.
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– StephenG
Jun 28 at 13:17
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@MontyWild One day of such miracles would still get noticed (24 hour news channels need something to fill in with !). Peace breaking out all over is even more likely to be noticed than just no death. One event goes (maybe) unnoticed, but not two weeks of this.
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– StephenG
Jun 28 at 13:17
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Any global supernatural force capable of neutralising death in all its forms should be equally capable of inducing amnesia about death itself. Therefore, no-one will notice that death has stopped happening.
In the case of morticians and funeral operators they will all believe they are on holiday from their usual occupations.
Obviously the agency responsible for the temporary cessation of death is capable of foiling the circumstances leading to mortality is both selective and exhibits intelligence. Therefore, as an adjunct to stopping death it should be able to influence brain function too. So, global selective amnesia about death is the obvious route to make death going on holiday go unnoticed.
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Best answer here. People tend to forget that the question is asked in the context of a world where X can happen (even, possibly, the author, in this case). If X can happen, it's entirely logical that Y can happen.
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– msouth
Jun 28 at 16:47
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@msouth Thanks for the embarrassing kind comment. Congratulations on concisely grasping the logic of my answer. Making the world forget death is trivial compared to all the mechanisms that would need to be used to prevent all forms of dying. It was really obvious if X happened, then Y must be easy.
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– a4android
Jun 29 at 3:56
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Any global supernatural force capable of neutralising death in all its forms should be equally capable of inducing amnesia about death itself. Therefore, no-one will notice that death has stopped happening.
In the case of morticians and funeral operators they will all believe they are on holiday from their usual occupations.
Obviously the agency responsible for the temporary cessation of death is capable of foiling the circumstances leading to mortality is both selective and exhibits intelligence. Therefore, as an adjunct to stopping death it should be able to influence brain function too. So, global selective amnesia about death is the obvious route to make death going on holiday go unnoticed.
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Best answer here. People tend to forget that the question is asked in the context of a world where X can happen (even, possibly, the author, in this case). If X can happen, it's entirely logical that Y can happen.
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– msouth
Jun 28 at 16:47
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@msouth Thanks for the embarrassing kind comment. Congratulations on concisely grasping the logic of my answer. Making the world forget death is trivial compared to all the mechanisms that would need to be used to prevent all forms of dying. It was really obvious if X happened, then Y must be easy.
$endgroup$
– a4android
Jun 29 at 3:56
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Any global supernatural force capable of neutralising death in all its forms should be equally capable of inducing amnesia about death itself. Therefore, no-one will notice that death has stopped happening.
In the case of morticians and funeral operators they will all believe they are on holiday from their usual occupations.
Obviously the agency responsible for the temporary cessation of death is capable of foiling the circumstances leading to mortality is both selective and exhibits intelligence. Therefore, as an adjunct to stopping death it should be able to influence brain function too. So, global selective amnesia about death is the obvious route to make death going on holiday go unnoticed.
$endgroup$
Any global supernatural force capable of neutralising death in all its forms should be equally capable of inducing amnesia about death itself. Therefore, no-one will notice that death has stopped happening.
In the case of morticians and funeral operators they will all believe they are on holiday from their usual occupations.
Obviously the agency responsible for the temporary cessation of death is capable of foiling the circumstances leading to mortality is both selective and exhibits intelligence. Therefore, as an adjunct to stopping death it should be able to influence brain function too. So, global selective amnesia about death is the obvious route to make death going on holiday go unnoticed.
answered Jun 28 at 5:58
a4androida4android
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Best answer here. People tend to forget that the question is asked in the context of a world where X can happen (even, possibly, the author, in this case). If X can happen, it's entirely logical that Y can happen.
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– msouth
Jun 28 at 16:47
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@msouth Thanks for the embarrassing kind comment. Congratulations on concisely grasping the logic of my answer. Making the world forget death is trivial compared to all the mechanisms that would need to be used to prevent all forms of dying. It was really obvious if X happened, then Y must be easy.
$endgroup$
– a4android
Jun 29 at 3:56
add a comment |
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Best answer here. People tend to forget that the question is asked in the context of a world where X can happen (even, possibly, the author, in this case). If X can happen, it's entirely logical that Y can happen.
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– msouth
Jun 28 at 16:47
2
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@msouth Thanks for the embarrassing kind comment. Congratulations on concisely grasping the logic of my answer. Making the world forget death is trivial compared to all the mechanisms that would need to be used to prevent all forms of dying. It was really obvious if X happened, then Y must be easy.
$endgroup$
– a4android
Jun 29 at 3:56
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Best answer here. People tend to forget that the question is asked in the context of a world where X can happen (even, possibly, the author, in this case). If X can happen, it's entirely logical that Y can happen.
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– msouth
Jun 28 at 16:47
$begingroup$
Best answer here. People tend to forget that the question is asked in the context of a world where X can happen (even, possibly, the author, in this case). If X can happen, it's entirely logical that Y can happen.
$endgroup$
– msouth
Jun 28 at 16:47
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@msouth Thanks for the embarrassing kind comment. Congratulations on concisely grasping the logic of my answer. Making the world forget death is trivial compared to all the mechanisms that would need to be used to prevent all forms of dying. It was really obvious if X happened, then Y must be easy.
$endgroup$
– a4android
Jun 29 at 3:56
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@msouth Thanks for the embarrassing kind comment. Congratulations on concisely grasping the logic of my answer. Making the world forget death is trivial compared to all the mechanisms that would need to be used to prevent all forms of dying. It was really obvious if X happened, then Y must be easy.
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– a4android
Jun 29 at 3:56
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I'm going to add to the "Not Possible" crowd but for reasons other than "undertakers."
Big Data. In the U.S. alone, you have Federal and state laws which mandate death statistics be collected, kept and analyzed. People are going to notice a periodic dip to 0 of fatalities because AI is going to chew through the statistics. Insurance companies are going to alter their business plans. Movie studios are going to attempt crazy stunts. Drug companies are going to do massive testing. The list can go on forever.
The best thing you could probably do then, is to turn this certainty of detection into a sub-plot. It could be serious in tone, or joking like Lois Lane being fooled by eyeglasses. It doesn't even need to be fleshed out completely, just enough to let the observer see that something is off and for whatever reason most people haven't noticed it, but he ones who have are exploiting it quietly. perhaps that creates danger for people who look too closely....
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I'm going to add to the "Not Possible" crowd but for reasons other than "undertakers."
Big Data. In the U.S. alone, you have Federal and state laws which mandate death statistics be collected, kept and analyzed. People are going to notice a periodic dip to 0 of fatalities because AI is going to chew through the statistics. Insurance companies are going to alter their business plans. Movie studios are going to attempt crazy stunts. Drug companies are going to do massive testing. The list can go on forever.
The best thing you could probably do then, is to turn this certainty of detection into a sub-plot. It could be serious in tone, or joking like Lois Lane being fooled by eyeglasses. It doesn't even need to be fleshed out completely, just enough to let the observer see that something is off and for whatever reason most people haven't noticed it, but he ones who have are exploiting it quietly. perhaps that creates danger for people who look too closely....
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I'm going to add to the "Not Possible" crowd but for reasons other than "undertakers."
Big Data. In the U.S. alone, you have Federal and state laws which mandate death statistics be collected, kept and analyzed. People are going to notice a periodic dip to 0 of fatalities because AI is going to chew through the statistics. Insurance companies are going to alter their business plans. Movie studios are going to attempt crazy stunts. Drug companies are going to do massive testing. The list can go on forever.
The best thing you could probably do then, is to turn this certainty of detection into a sub-plot. It could be serious in tone, or joking like Lois Lane being fooled by eyeglasses. It doesn't even need to be fleshed out completely, just enough to let the observer see that something is off and for whatever reason most people haven't noticed it, but he ones who have are exploiting it quietly. perhaps that creates danger for people who look too closely....
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I'm going to add to the "Not Possible" crowd but for reasons other than "undertakers."
Big Data. In the U.S. alone, you have Federal and state laws which mandate death statistics be collected, kept and analyzed. People are going to notice a periodic dip to 0 of fatalities because AI is going to chew through the statistics. Insurance companies are going to alter their business plans. Movie studios are going to attempt crazy stunts. Drug companies are going to do massive testing. The list can go on forever.
The best thing you could probably do then, is to turn this certainty of detection into a sub-plot. It could be serious in tone, or joking like Lois Lane being fooled by eyeglasses. It doesn't even need to be fleshed out completely, just enough to let the observer see that something is off and for whatever reason most people haven't noticed it, but he ones who have are exploiting it quietly. perhaps that creates danger for people who look too closely....
answered Jun 28 at 20:12
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The people most likely to notice a lack of death would be morticians and funeral celebrants. Their business relies upon people dying, so people not dying should be noticed in their bottom line.
So how could it not be?
The question implies that an outside agency is preventing death, and is using non-obvious methods, but is also not concealing the lack of human mortality.
The nature of a business in the post-life industries is that mortality is unpredictable. Statistics will show that there is a predictable human mortality rate, however this mortality rate is only predictable over relatively long periods of time. On a day to day timeframe, a certain number of "customers" can be expected, but random factors can mean that those numbers can vary significantly on any particular day, from many times the usual daily number, down to none at all.
Perhaps just before the non-death period starts, there was an upturn in the numbers of deaths where the next of kin request embalming and other more expensive and time-consuming funeral options, so funerals wouldn't necessarily stop, as they would be delayed pending completion of the arrangements. This would still occur even without any upturn in expensive funerals, though to a lesser degree.
Funerals for suspicious deaths would also be delayed for a considerable amount of while the deaths were investigated.
So, workers in the funeral industry would no doubt notice a downturn in business, but it wouldn't outright cease. Perhaps the next of kin went to the competition...
Then, after the non-death period, there would likely be a large number of people who, instead of dying, 'merely' fell into a coma. If their lives were being sustained, it is reasonable to expect an upturn after the period. So... people weren't dying, but more would die afterwards, so the funeral industry members individual bottom lines wouldn't necessarily be greatly altered on a yearly or even on a monthly basis. "It was just a statistical blip".
Only if people around the world started comparing experiences might they begin to become suspicious, but the increased numbers deaths after the exemption period would tend to make the people most likely to question it too busy to take the time.
As for doctors and nurses, their business is saving lives. They would hardly question their good fortune if none of their patients died.
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If you're a doctor in ER or a nurse in ICU you have to tell people a loved one has died with appalling regularity. No deaths for two weeks is going to be noticed and passes well beyond the "good fortune" category. And at the very least the civil servants who collect death rate stats from hospitals will launch an inquiry into why no hospital reported any death for two solid weeks ! Not reporting a death is typically an offense so, yes, apparently not reporting any deaths for two weeks will get attention until it's fully explained.
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The people most likely to notice a lack of death would be morticians and funeral celebrants. Their business relies upon people dying, so people not dying should be noticed in their bottom line.
So how could it not be?
The question implies that an outside agency is preventing death, and is using non-obvious methods, but is also not concealing the lack of human mortality.
The nature of a business in the post-life industries is that mortality is unpredictable. Statistics will show that there is a predictable human mortality rate, however this mortality rate is only predictable over relatively long periods of time. On a day to day timeframe, a certain number of "customers" can be expected, but random factors can mean that those numbers can vary significantly on any particular day, from many times the usual daily number, down to none at all.
Perhaps just before the non-death period starts, there was an upturn in the numbers of deaths where the next of kin request embalming and other more expensive and time-consuming funeral options, so funerals wouldn't necessarily stop, as they would be delayed pending completion of the arrangements. This would still occur even without any upturn in expensive funerals, though to a lesser degree.
Funerals for suspicious deaths would also be delayed for a considerable amount of while the deaths were investigated.
So, workers in the funeral industry would no doubt notice a downturn in business, but it wouldn't outright cease. Perhaps the next of kin went to the competition...
Then, after the non-death period, there would likely be a large number of people who, instead of dying, 'merely' fell into a coma. If their lives were being sustained, it is reasonable to expect an upturn after the period. So... people weren't dying, but more would die afterwards, so the funeral industry members individual bottom lines wouldn't necessarily be greatly altered on a yearly or even on a monthly basis. "It was just a statistical blip".
Only if people around the world started comparing experiences might they begin to become suspicious, but the increased numbers deaths after the exemption period would tend to make the people most likely to question it too busy to take the time.
As for doctors and nurses, their business is saving lives. They would hardly question their good fortune if none of their patients died.
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If you're a doctor in ER or a nurse in ICU you have to tell people a loved one has died with appalling regularity. No deaths for two weeks is going to be noticed and passes well beyond the "good fortune" category. And at the very least the civil servants who collect death rate stats from hospitals will launch an inquiry into why no hospital reported any death for two solid weeks ! Not reporting a death is typically an offense so, yes, apparently not reporting any deaths for two weeks will get attention until it's fully explained.
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– StephenG
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The people most likely to notice a lack of death would be morticians and funeral celebrants. Their business relies upon people dying, so people not dying should be noticed in their bottom line.
So how could it not be?
The question implies that an outside agency is preventing death, and is using non-obvious methods, but is also not concealing the lack of human mortality.
The nature of a business in the post-life industries is that mortality is unpredictable. Statistics will show that there is a predictable human mortality rate, however this mortality rate is only predictable over relatively long periods of time. On a day to day timeframe, a certain number of "customers" can be expected, but random factors can mean that those numbers can vary significantly on any particular day, from many times the usual daily number, down to none at all.
Perhaps just before the non-death period starts, there was an upturn in the numbers of deaths where the next of kin request embalming and other more expensive and time-consuming funeral options, so funerals wouldn't necessarily stop, as they would be delayed pending completion of the arrangements. This would still occur even without any upturn in expensive funerals, though to a lesser degree.
Funerals for suspicious deaths would also be delayed for a considerable amount of while the deaths were investigated.
So, workers in the funeral industry would no doubt notice a downturn in business, but it wouldn't outright cease. Perhaps the next of kin went to the competition...
Then, after the non-death period, there would likely be a large number of people who, instead of dying, 'merely' fell into a coma. If their lives were being sustained, it is reasonable to expect an upturn after the period. So... people weren't dying, but more would die afterwards, so the funeral industry members individual bottom lines wouldn't necessarily be greatly altered on a yearly or even on a monthly basis. "It was just a statistical blip".
Only if people around the world started comparing experiences might they begin to become suspicious, but the increased numbers deaths after the exemption period would tend to make the people most likely to question it too busy to take the time.
As for doctors and nurses, their business is saving lives. They would hardly question their good fortune if none of their patients died.
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The people most likely to notice a lack of death would be morticians and funeral celebrants. Their business relies upon people dying, so people not dying should be noticed in their bottom line.
So how could it not be?
The question implies that an outside agency is preventing death, and is using non-obvious methods, but is also not concealing the lack of human mortality.
The nature of a business in the post-life industries is that mortality is unpredictable. Statistics will show that there is a predictable human mortality rate, however this mortality rate is only predictable over relatively long periods of time. On a day to day timeframe, a certain number of "customers" can be expected, but random factors can mean that those numbers can vary significantly on any particular day, from many times the usual daily number, down to none at all.
Perhaps just before the non-death period starts, there was an upturn in the numbers of deaths where the next of kin request embalming and other more expensive and time-consuming funeral options, so funerals wouldn't necessarily stop, as they would be delayed pending completion of the arrangements. This would still occur even without any upturn in expensive funerals, though to a lesser degree.
Funerals for suspicious deaths would also be delayed for a considerable amount of while the deaths were investigated.
So, workers in the funeral industry would no doubt notice a downturn in business, but it wouldn't outright cease. Perhaps the next of kin went to the competition...
Then, after the non-death period, there would likely be a large number of people who, instead of dying, 'merely' fell into a coma. If their lives were being sustained, it is reasonable to expect an upturn after the period. So... people weren't dying, but more would die afterwards, so the funeral industry members individual bottom lines wouldn't necessarily be greatly altered on a yearly or even on a monthly basis. "It was just a statistical blip".
Only if people around the world started comparing experiences might they begin to become suspicious, but the increased numbers deaths after the exemption period would tend to make the people most likely to question it too busy to take the time.
As for doctors and nurses, their business is saving lives. They would hardly question their good fortune if none of their patients died.
answered Jun 28 at 4:45
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If you're a doctor in ER or a nurse in ICU you have to tell people a loved one has died with appalling regularity. No deaths for two weeks is going to be noticed and passes well beyond the "good fortune" category. And at the very least the civil servants who collect death rate stats from hospitals will launch an inquiry into why no hospital reported any death for two solid weeks ! Not reporting a death is typically an offense so, yes, apparently not reporting any deaths for two weeks will get attention until it's fully explained.
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If you're a doctor in ER or a nurse in ICU you have to tell people a loved one has died with appalling regularity. No deaths for two weeks is going to be noticed and passes well beyond the "good fortune" category. And at the very least the civil servants who collect death rate stats from hospitals will launch an inquiry into why no hospital reported any death for two solid weeks ! Not reporting a death is typically an offense so, yes, apparently not reporting any deaths for two weeks will get attention until it's fully explained.
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– StephenG
Jun 28 at 13:31
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If you're a doctor in ER or a nurse in ICU you have to tell people a loved one has died with appalling regularity. No deaths for two weeks is going to be noticed and passes well beyond the "good fortune" category. And at the very least the civil servants who collect death rate stats from hospitals will launch an inquiry into why no hospital reported any death for two solid weeks ! Not reporting a death is typically an offense so, yes, apparently not reporting any deaths for two weeks will get attention until it's fully explained.
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– StephenG
Jun 28 at 13:31
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If you're a doctor in ER or a nurse in ICU you have to tell people a loved one has died with appalling regularity. No deaths for two weeks is going to be noticed and passes well beyond the "good fortune" category. And at the very least the civil servants who collect death rate stats from hospitals will launch an inquiry into why no hospital reported any death for two solid weeks ! Not reporting a death is typically an offense so, yes, apparently not reporting any deaths for two weeks will get attention until it's fully explained.
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Although the global death rate is predictable, it's not when you look closely at a small town over a short period. The individuals concerned are used to days when nobody dies on their watch, and can't tell that it's happening to everyone else.
The bigger problem comes with the people who see the bigger picture, like the registrar or crematorium. Our local crematorium holds several funerals a day, booked half an hour apart with an hour off for lunch, but they have to schedule about 3 weeks ahead to get such a smooth flow. If people suddenly stopped dying, they'd have 3 weeks of bookings to work through before they ran out. For the first week they probably wouldn't notice anything because they'd be dealing with events from the previous week. In the second week the might notice, but they don't normally spend all day taking bookings. They've still got other tasks to keep them busy.
Even if they notice that they've recorded no deaths for a week, they don't know that it's happening everywhere else.
A month or two later, someone would collate the statistics for a wider area and they would notice that something unnatural had happened.
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Although the global death rate is predictable, it's not when you look closely at a small town over a short period. The individuals concerned are used to days when nobody dies on their watch, and can't tell that it's happening to everyone else.
The bigger problem comes with the people who see the bigger picture, like the registrar or crematorium. Our local crematorium holds several funerals a day, booked half an hour apart with an hour off for lunch, but they have to schedule about 3 weeks ahead to get such a smooth flow. If people suddenly stopped dying, they'd have 3 weeks of bookings to work through before they ran out. For the first week they probably wouldn't notice anything because they'd be dealing with events from the previous week. In the second week the might notice, but they don't normally spend all day taking bookings. They've still got other tasks to keep them busy.
Even if they notice that they've recorded no deaths for a week, they don't know that it's happening everywhere else.
A month or two later, someone would collate the statistics for a wider area and they would notice that something unnatural had happened.
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Although the global death rate is predictable, it's not when you look closely at a small town over a short period. The individuals concerned are used to days when nobody dies on their watch, and can't tell that it's happening to everyone else.
The bigger problem comes with the people who see the bigger picture, like the registrar or crematorium. Our local crematorium holds several funerals a day, booked half an hour apart with an hour off for lunch, but they have to schedule about 3 weeks ahead to get such a smooth flow. If people suddenly stopped dying, they'd have 3 weeks of bookings to work through before they ran out. For the first week they probably wouldn't notice anything because they'd be dealing with events from the previous week. In the second week the might notice, but they don't normally spend all day taking bookings. They've still got other tasks to keep them busy.
Even if they notice that they've recorded no deaths for a week, they don't know that it's happening everywhere else.
A month or two later, someone would collate the statistics for a wider area and they would notice that something unnatural had happened.
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Although the global death rate is predictable, it's not when you look closely at a small town over a short period. The individuals concerned are used to days when nobody dies on their watch, and can't tell that it's happening to everyone else.
The bigger problem comes with the people who see the bigger picture, like the registrar or crematorium. Our local crematorium holds several funerals a day, booked half an hour apart with an hour off for lunch, but they have to schedule about 3 weeks ahead to get such a smooth flow. If people suddenly stopped dying, they'd have 3 weeks of bookings to work through before they ran out. For the first week they probably wouldn't notice anything because they'd be dealing with events from the previous week. In the second week the might notice, but they don't normally spend all day taking bookings. They've still got other tasks to keep them busy.
Even if they notice that they've recorded no deaths for a week, they don't know that it's happening everywhere else.
A month or two later, someone would collate the statistics for a wider area and they would notice that something unnatural had happened.
answered Jun 28 at 12:10
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Someone is going to jump off a very high building and survive. Some serial killer will decapitate a victim. Someone is going to go on a rampage with an AR15. Some car bomber is going to detonate in a crowded market.
All the miracle survival stories will pour out and into the media.
Reminds me of a story I read about an American newspaper that had on average ten obituaries per day. One day the lady who did them when on holiday and they had none placed for the two weeks she was away and when she returned, they went back to ten a day.
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No-one would try to commit suicide in a way that made their survival impossible according to the OP. Neither would anyone successfully commit a murder where the victim died immediately, though some might be comatose and die later. The car bomb would fizzle or get discovered and the would-be perp arrested, or it just happened that no-none was close enough to be killed outright - there were people with terrible injuries who did die... days or weeks later. Not impossible at all...
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@MontyWild But when the 10 drone attacks fail to work, someone is going to report on it and the military is going to investigate it. When a terrorists tries to stone or execute someone they will notice it. When an illegal organ harvesting hospital realizes the empty corpses are alive. General accidents and deaths aren't an issue. Its specific attacks that are meant to kill and have no way of failing that are the issue.
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@Shadowzee Remember that the OP said that no such things will happen. The drone might crash, the terrorist will hang out for a bigger impact on his target audience before shooting the hostages, and the illegal organ harvesters will take only one kidney... if there is even any call for illegal organs this fortnight. Where there are specific reasons to kill, for whatever reason they won't happen, or they will fail to kill the intended victim during the time in question for plausible or seemingly unrelated reasons.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 7:30
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@MontyWild The OP is having a problem justifying a lack of deaths. Telling him that its impossible and presenting him with situations which would cause the issue to be noticed is a valid answer, Just as providing an alternative reason is also a valid answer.
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– Shadowzee
Jun 28 at 7:53
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@Shadowzee, Then justify why deciding to kill someone and attempting to carry out that killing not resulting in a death for up to two weeks for a variety of plausible reasons would attract such strong attention. The OP has said that the intelligence mediating this comes up with plausible reasons why no death occurs, even by doing something retroactive to the death which would otherwise occur.
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– Monty Wild♦
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Impossible
Someone is going to jump off a very high building and survive. Some serial killer will decapitate a victim. Someone is going to go on a rampage with an AR15. Some car bomber is going to detonate in a crowded market.
All the miracle survival stories will pour out and into the media.
Reminds me of a story I read about an American newspaper that had on average ten obituaries per day. One day the lady who did them when on holiday and they had none placed for the two weeks she was away and when she returned, they went back to ten a day.
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No-one would try to commit suicide in a way that made their survival impossible according to the OP. Neither would anyone successfully commit a murder where the victim died immediately, though some might be comatose and die later. The car bomb would fizzle or get discovered and the would-be perp arrested, or it just happened that no-none was close enough to be killed outright - there were people with terrible injuries who did die... days or weeks later. Not impossible at all...
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 4:55
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@MontyWild But when the 10 drone attacks fail to work, someone is going to report on it and the military is going to investigate it. When a terrorists tries to stone or execute someone they will notice it. When an illegal organ harvesting hospital realizes the empty corpses are alive. General accidents and deaths aren't an issue. Its specific attacks that are meant to kill and have no way of failing that are the issue.
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– Shadowzee
Jun 28 at 6:17
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@Shadowzee Remember that the OP said that no such things will happen. The drone might crash, the terrorist will hang out for a bigger impact on his target audience before shooting the hostages, and the illegal organ harvesters will take only one kidney... if there is even any call for illegal organs this fortnight. Where there are specific reasons to kill, for whatever reason they won't happen, or they will fail to kill the intended victim during the time in question for plausible or seemingly unrelated reasons.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 7:30
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@MontyWild The OP is having a problem justifying a lack of deaths. Telling him that its impossible and presenting him with situations which would cause the issue to be noticed is a valid answer, Just as providing an alternative reason is also a valid answer.
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– Shadowzee
Jun 28 at 7:53
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@Shadowzee, Then justify why deciding to kill someone and attempting to carry out that killing not resulting in a death for up to two weeks for a variety of plausible reasons would attract such strong attention. The OP has said that the intelligence mediating this comes up with plausible reasons why no death occurs, even by doing something retroactive to the death which would otherwise occur.
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– Monty Wild♦
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Impossible
Someone is going to jump off a very high building and survive. Some serial killer will decapitate a victim. Someone is going to go on a rampage with an AR15. Some car bomber is going to detonate in a crowded market.
All the miracle survival stories will pour out and into the media.
Reminds me of a story I read about an American newspaper that had on average ten obituaries per day. One day the lady who did them when on holiday and they had none placed for the two weeks she was away and when she returned, they went back to ten a day.
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Impossible
Someone is going to jump off a very high building and survive. Some serial killer will decapitate a victim. Someone is going to go on a rampage with an AR15. Some car bomber is going to detonate in a crowded market.
All the miracle survival stories will pour out and into the media.
Reminds me of a story I read about an American newspaper that had on average ten obituaries per day. One day the lady who did them when on holiday and they had none placed for the two weeks she was away and when she returned, they went back to ten a day.
answered Jun 28 at 4:24
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No-one would try to commit suicide in a way that made their survival impossible according to the OP. Neither would anyone successfully commit a murder where the victim died immediately, though some might be comatose and die later. The car bomb would fizzle or get discovered and the would-be perp arrested, or it just happened that no-none was close enough to be killed outright - there were people with terrible injuries who did die... days or weeks later. Not impossible at all...
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 4:55
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@MontyWild But when the 10 drone attacks fail to work, someone is going to report on it and the military is going to investigate it. When a terrorists tries to stone or execute someone they will notice it. When an illegal organ harvesting hospital realizes the empty corpses are alive. General accidents and deaths aren't an issue. Its specific attacks that are meant to kill and have no way of failing that are the issue.
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– Shadowzee
Jun 28 at 6:17
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@Shadowzee Remember that the OP said that no such things will happen. The drone might crash, the terrorist will hang out for a bigger impact on his target audience before shooting the hostages, and the illegal organ harvesters will take only one kidney... if there is even any call for illegal organs this fortnight. Where there are specific reasons to kill, for whatever reason they won't happen, or they will fail to kill the intended victim during the time in question for plausible or seemingly unrelated reasons.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 7:30
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@MontyWild The OP is having a problem justifying a lack of deaths. Telling him that its impossible and presenting him with situations which would cause the issue to be noticed is a valid answer, Just as providing an alternative reason is also a valid answer.
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– Shadowzee
Jun 28 at 7:53
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@Shadowzee, Then justify why deciding to kill someone and attempting to carry out that killing not resulting in a death for up to two weeks for a variety of plausible reasons would attract such strong attention. The OP has said that the intelligence mediating this comes up with plausible reasons why no death occurs, even by doing something retroactive to the death which would otherwise occur.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 7:59
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No-one would try to commit suicide in a way that made their survival impossible according to the OP. Neither would anyone successfully commit a murder where the victim died immediately, though some might be comatose and die later. The car bomb would fizzle or get discovered and the would-be perp arrested, or it just happened that no-none was close enough to be killed outright - there were people with terrible injuries who did die... days or weeks later. Not impossible at all...
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 4:55
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@MontyWild But when the 10 drone attacks fail to work, someone is going to report on it and the military is going to investigate it. When a terrorists tries to stone or execute someone they will notice it. When an illegal organ harvesting hospital realizes the empty corpses are alive. General accidents and deaths aren't an issue. Its specific attacks that are meant to kill and have no way of failing that are the issue.
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– Shadowzee
Jun 28 at 6:17
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@Shadowzee Remember that the OP said that no such things will happen. The drone might crash, the terrorist will hang out for a bigger impact on his target audience before shooting the hostages, and the illegal organ harvesters will take only one kidney... if there is even any call for illegal organs this fortnight. Where there are specific reasons to kill, for whatever reason they won't happen, or they will fail to kill the intended victim during the time in question for plausible or seemingly unrelated reasons.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 7:30
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@MontyWild The OP is having a problem justifying a lack of deaths. Telling him that its impossible and presenting him with situations which would cause the issue to be noticed is a valid answer, Just as providing an alternative reason is also a valid answer.
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– Shadowzee
Jun 28 at 7:53
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@Shadowzee, Then justify why deciding to kill someone and attempting to carry out that killing not resulting in a death for up to two weeks for a variety of plausible reasons would attract such strong attention. The OP has said that the intelligence mediating this comes up with plausible reasons why no death occurs, even by doing something retroactive to the death which would otherwise occur.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 7:59
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No-one would try to commit suicide in a way that made their survival impossible according to the OP. Neither would anyone successfully commit a murder where the victim died immediately, though some might be comatose and die later. The car bomb would fizzle or get discovered and the would-be perp arrested, or it just happened that no-none was close enough to be killed outright - there were people with terrible injuries who did die... days or weeks later. Not impossible at all...
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 4:55
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No-one would try to commit suicide in a way that made their survival impossible according to the OP. Neither would anyone successfully commit a murder where the victim died immediately, though some might be comatose and die later. The car bomb would fizzle or get discovered and the would-be perp arrested, or it just happened that no-none was close enough to be killed outright - there were people with terrible injuries who did die... days or weeks later. Not impossible at all...
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 4:55
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@MontyWild But when the 10 drone attacks fail to work, someone is going to report on it and the military is going to investigate it. When a terrorists tries to stone or execute someone they will notice it. When an illegal organ harvesting hospital realizes the empty corpses are alive. General accidents and deaths aren't an issue. Its specific attacks that are meant to kill and have no way of failing that are the issue.
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Jun 28 at 6:17
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@MontyWild But when the 10 drone attacks fail to work, someone is going to report on it and the military is going to investigate it. When a terrorists tries to stone or execute someone they will notice it. When an illegal organ harvesting hospital realizes the empty corpses are alive. General accidents and deaths aren't an issue. Its specific attacks that are meant to kill and have no way of failing that are the issue.
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– Shadowzee
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@Shadowzee Remember that the OP said that no such things will happen. The drone might crash, the terrorist will hang out for a bigger impact on his target audience before shooting the hostages, and the illegal organ harvesters will take only one kidney... if there is even any call for illegal organs this fortnight. Where there are specific reasons to kill, for whatever reason they won't happen, or they will fail to kill the intended victim during the time in question for plausible or seemingly unrelated reasons.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 7:30
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@Shadowzee Remember that the OP said that no such things will happen. The drone might crash, the terrorist will hang out for a bigger impact on his target audience before shooting the hostages, and the illegal organ harvesters will take only one kidney... if there is even any call for illegal organs this fortnight. Where there are specific reasons to kill, for whatever reason they won't happen, or they will fail to kill the intended victim during the time in question for plausible or seemingly unrelated reasons.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 7:30
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@MontyWild The OP is having a problem justifying a lack of deaths. Telling him that its impossible and presenting him with situations which would cause the issue to be noticed is a valid answer, Just as providing an alternative reason is also a valid answer.
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– Shadowzee
Jun 28 at 7:53
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@MontyWild The OP is having a problem justifying a lack of deaths. Telling him that its impossible and presenting him with situations which would cause the issue to be noticed is a valid answer, Just as providing an alternative reason is also a valid answer.
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Jun 28 at 7:53
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@Shadowzee, Then justify why deciding to kill someone and attempting to carry out that killing not resulting in a death for up to two weeks for a variety of plausible reasons would attract such strong attention. The OP has said that the intelligence mediating this comes up with plausible reasons why no death occurs, even by doing something retroactive to the death which would otherwise occur.
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– Monty Wild♦
Jun 28 at 7:59
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@Shadowzee, Then justify why deciding to kill someone and attempting to carry out that killing not resulting in a death for up to two weeks for a variety of plausible reasons would attract such strong attention. The OP has said that the intelligence mediating this comes up with plausible reasons why no death occurs, even by doing something retroactive to the death which would otherwise occur.
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Not possible without some influence from whatever is preventing the deaths in the first place.
At Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever. A period of two weeks without deaths would be an internationally notable event even if it was restricted to murders in one city.
[Edit] I was thinking more about this. You could shorten the period significantly to like 1 hour and then this would work. The entire world could go without death for an hour and I don't think it would be immediately obvious, especially with your stipulation that people aren't unkillable, they would just not end up in situations where they would die.
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"Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever." I'm sure I'm not the only person who had no idea that happened. I don't think you've torn down the premise so much as shown how small the gap is between this scenario and real-world statistical anomaly. It wouldn't take that much real-world human error or information-sharing boundaries to bridge that gap.
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Not possible without some influence from whatever is preventing the deaths in the first place.
At Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever. A period of two weeks without deaths would be an internationally notable event even if it was restricted to murders in one city.
[Edit] I was thinking more about this. You could shorten the period significantly to like 1 hour and then this would work. The entire world could go without death for an hour and I don't think it would be immediately obvious, especially with your stipulation that people aren't unkillable, they would just not end up in situations where they would die.
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"Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever." I'm sure I'm not the only person who had no idea that happened. I don't think you've torn down the premise so much as shown how small the gap is between this scenario and real-world statistical anomaly. It wouldn't take that much real-world human error or information-sharing boundaries to bridge that gap.
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Not possible without some influence from whatever is preventing the deaths in the first place.
At Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever. A period of two weeks without deaths would be an internationally notable event even if it was restricted to murders in one city.
[Edit] I was thinking more about this. You could shorten the period significantly to like 1 hour and then this would work. The entire world could go without death for an hour and I don't think it would be immediately obvious, especially with your stipulation that people aren't unkillable, they would just not end up in situations where they would die.
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Not possible without some influence from whatever is preventing the deaths in the first place.
At Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever. A period of two weeks without deaths would be an internationally notable event even if it was restricted to murders in one city.
[Edit] I was thinking more about this. You could shorten the period significantly to like 1 hour and then this would work. The entire world could go without death for an hour and I don't think it would be immediately obvious, especially with your stipulation that people aren't unkillable, they would just not end up in situations where they would die.
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"Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever." I'm sure I'm not the only person who had no idea that happened. I don't think you've torn down the premise so much as shown how small the gap is between this scenario and real-world statistical anomaly. It wouldn't take that much real-world human error or information-sharing boundaries to bridge that gap.
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"Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever." I'm sure I'm not the only person who had no idea that happened. I don't think you've torn down the premise so much as shown how small the gap is between this scenario and real-world statistical anomaly. It wouldn't take that much real-world human error or information-sharing boundaries to bridge that gap.
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"Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever." I'm sure I'm not the only person who had no idea that happened. I don't think you've torn down the premise so much as shown how small the gap is between this scenario and real-world statistical anomaly. It wouldn't take that much real-world human error or information-sharing boundaries to bridge that gap.
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– HonoredMule
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"Christmastime last year New York reported zero murders for six days in a row for the first time ever." I'm sure I'm not the only person who had no idea that happened. I don't think you've torn down the premise so much as shown how small the gap is between this scenario and real-world statistical anomaly. It wouldn't take that much real-world human error or information-sharing boundaries to bridge that gap.
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As others pointed out: no, this is impossible. Not in our current world.
In order to make it possible, you have to change something. If you can somehow make people not care about the lack of death, then it could work. However, this has to be a VERY BIG change - not just trying to distract them, that won't work. You can't distract everybody and you can't occupy the attention of absolutely everybody for that long. You have to somehow make them have a complete blind spot in their mind for this phenomena. Here are some suggestions for how this could work:
- This is the realm of mind magic. Very, very powerful mind magic that affects the entire world. Some magician manages to just make every single person in the world turn a blind eye to otherwise miraculous survivals. A guy gets shot in the heart and walks away - onlookers should just shrug and go on their way.
- The sufficiently advanced technology equivalent is some sort of brainwash devices or waves. I can imagine satellites that can instantly brainwash the population.
- A slightly different approach is to consider "death" as metaphysical concept. Since it is eliminated (somehow), that doesn't just mean "nobody dies" but the whole idea of death is gone. The two are metaphysically linked, so not only can people not die, but now (for the next two weeks), nobody can even conceive of death. It's as if that was never a thing.
These approaches still leave gaps but somehow, these also need to be covered up by whatever method affects the people. For example:
- there would still be graveyards - the previously dead would stay dead, after all. It seems odd that nobody can die and yet there are these dead people there from before.
- Weapons that cause death of individuals like pistols are now mostly useless. These are wide-spread but...now they don't have a reason to exist.
- There are people who directly build their business dealing with the dead. For example, undertakers. Without death, why would they exist?
My personal idea is to half-acknowledge these but still turn a blind eye to them. After all, every single person somehow forgets death existed, it's not too much of a stretch to also have them engage in some doublethink. People can still go and visit the graves of their relatives and keep a gun around even though they know nobody can die. Undertakers might go to work every day and lament the lack of clients even though they simply cannot have clients.
A slight alternative is for the clashing ideas to manifest in some (possibly odd) justifications that people come up with due to the cognitive dissonance. They will know of graves but might forget that there are dead people in them. They could still go visit but as more of a habit. They'd know it's something about paying their respects to aunt Alice and uncle Bob but somehow don't make the mental connection that they are dead. A gun might find unorthodox uses - opening jars, or more extremely - as "toy" for children to play tag with. Undertakers might go and take care of the graves - they don't have anything else to do right now and that's sort of what they did before. They can go and tend to the "memorials" that definitely-don't-have-dead-people and have them nice and clean.
The utter inconceivability of death does require more changes than simply reconciling it with the existence of death before. The thinking of people needs to change and people should reconsider the intend to kill
- if the military wants to do an operation against an enemy force it would be weird to expect shooting to get them anywhere.
- Maybe they alter their plans to just blow up key structures - doesn't need to be "non-lethal", perhaps burying the enemies alive is accepted and expected. It is, after all, now the only way to incapacitate an enemy.
- criminals that wants to take out a target by shooting or stabbing them would be strange
- Instead the criminals might resort to torture or blackmail.
- In extreme cases, the old "bury a body in cement" or "let them sleep with the fishes" still works - the target is silenced, even if alive.
- trying to eliminate somebody for inheritance or other sort of gain would similarly undergo a change.
- ...OK, I thought to bring up the point but I've been racking my brain and can't think of a good alternative. Not without resulting with basically the same as "criminals" and dropping the rich uncle into concrete. But without death, that's not going to net you inheritance. Not to mention that "inheritance" would also not work, unless the cognitive dissonance somehow makes people enact that if a person is "missing".
When death comes back, so should the knowledge of it. It could be very jarring, however, if eliminating death also made people forget it, then perhaps reintroducing death also "magically" makes them immediately know the concept and not notice the difference. Not at first. This way you could have a more of a slow burn for the realisation. It might be a day or two until somebody notices and even then it might not immediately be noticed around the world. It could start with somebody going to the fridge for a pickle and suddenly thinking "Wait, Why did I use a gun to open this jar of pickles, I could have killed somebody". That doesn't immediately cause the discrepancy to be noticed but people will gradually start remembering acting differently for those two weeks without some discernable reason. Eventually, somebody is going to figure it out and connect some dots that nobody died, however that gives you more leeway for the reveal, not everybody suddenly going "WHY DIDN'T ANYBODY DIE" the second the two weeks run out.
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As others pointed out: no, this is impossible. Not in our current world.
In order to make it possible, you have to change something. If you can somehow make people not care about the lack of death, then it could work. However, this has to be a VERY BIG change - not just trying to distract them, that won't work. You can't distract everybody and you can't occupy the attention of absolutely everybody for that long. You have to somehow make them have a complete blind spot in their mind for this phenomena. Here are some suggestions for how this could work:
- This is the realm of mind magic. Very, very powerful mind magic that affects the entire world. Some magician manages to just make every single person in the world turn a blind eye to otherwise miraculous survivals. A guy gets shot in the heart and walks away - onlookers should just shrug and go on their way.
- The sufficiently advanced technology equivalent is some sort of brainwash devices or waves. I can imagine satellites that can instantly brainwash the population.
- A slightly different approach is to consider "death" as metaphysical concept. Since it is eliminated (somehow), that doesn't just mean "nobody dies" but the whole idea of death is gone. The two are metaphysically linked, so not only can people not die, but now (for the next two weeks), nobody can even conceive of death. It's as if that was never a thing.
These approaches still leave gaps but somehow, these also need to be covered up by whatever method affects the people. For example:
- there would still be graveyards - the previously dead would stay dead, after all. It seems odd that nobody can die and yet there are these dead people there from before.
- Weapons that cause death of individuals like pistols are now mostly useless. These are wide-spread but...now they don't have a reason to exist.
- There are people who directly build their business dealing with the dead. For example, undertakers. Without death, why would they exist?
My personal idea is to half-acknowledge these but still turn a blind eye to them. After all, every single person somehow forgets death existed, it's not too much of a stretch to also have them engage in some doublethink. People can still go and visit the graves of their relatives and keep a gun around even though they know nobody can die. Undertakers might go to work every day and lament the lack of clients even though they simply cannot have clients.
A slight alternative is for the clashing ideas to manifest in some (possibly odd) justifications that people come up with due to the cognitive dissonance. They will know of graves but might forget that there are dead people in them. They could still go visit but as more of a habit. They'd know it's something about paying their respects to aunt Alice and uncle Bob but somehow don't make the mental connection that they are dead. A gun might find unorthodox uses - opening jars, or more extremely - as "toy" for children to play tag with. Undertakers might go and take care of the graves - they don't have anything else to do right now and that's sort of what they did before. They can go and tend to the "memorials" that definitely-don't-have-dead-people and have them nice and clean.
The utter inconceivability of death does require more changes than simply reconciling it with the existence of death before. The thinking of people needs to change and people should reconsider the intend to kill
- if the military wants to do an operation against an enemy force it would be weird to expect shooting to get them anywhere.
- Maybe they alter their plans to just blow up key structures - doesn't need to be "non-lethal", perhaps burying the enemies alive is accepted and expected. It is, after all, now the only way to incapacitate an enemy.
- criminals that wants to take out a target by shooting or stabbing them would be strange
- Instead the criminals might resort to torture or blackmail.
- In extreme cases, the old "bury a body in cement" or "let them sleep with the fishes" still works - the target is silenced, even if alive.
- trying to eliminate somebody for inheritance or other sort of gain would similarly undergo a change.
- ...OK, I thought to bring up the point but I've been racking my brain and can't think of a good alternative. Not without resulting with basically the same as "criminals" and dropping the rich uncle into concrete. But without death, that's not going to net you inheritance. Not to mention that "inheritance" would also not work, unless the cognitive dissonance somehow makes people enact that if a person is "missing".
When death comes back, so should the knowledge of it. It could be very jarring, however, if eliminating death also made people forget it, then perhaps reintroducing death also "magically" makes them immediately know the concept and not notice the difference. Not at first. This way you could have a more of a slow burn for the realisation. It might be a day or two until somebody notices and even then it might not immediately be noticed around the world. It could start with somebody going to the fridge for a pickle and suddenly thinking "Wait, Why did I use a gun to open this jar of pickles, I could have killed somebody". That doesn't immediately cause the discrepancy to be noticed but people will gradually start remembering acting differently for those two weeks without some discernable reason. Eventually, somebody is going to figure it out and connect some dots that nobody died, however that gives you more leeway for the reveal, not everybody suddenly going "WHY DIDN'T ANYBODY DIE" the second the two weeks run out.
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As others pointed out: no, this is impossible. Not in our current world.
In order to make it possible, you have to change something. If you can somehow make people not care about the lack of death, then it could work. However, this has to be a VERY BIG change - not just trying to distract them, that won't work. You can't distract everybody and you can't occupy the attention of absolutely everybody for that long. You have to somehow make them have a complete blind spot in their mind for this phenomena. Here are some suggestions for how this could work:
- This is the realm of mind magic. Very, very powerful mind magic that affects the entire world. Some magician manages to just make every single person in the world turn a blind eye to otherwise miraculous survivals. A guy gets shot in the heart and walks away - onlookers should just shrug and go on their way.
- The sufficiently advanced technology equivalent is some sort of brainwash devices or waves. I can imagine satellites that can instantly brainwash the population.
- A slightly different approach is to consider "death" as metaphysical concept. Since it is eliminated (somehow), that doesn't just mean "nobody dies" but the whole idea of death is gone. The two are metaphysically linked, so not only can people not die, but now (for the next two weeks), nobody can even conceive of death. It's as if that was never a thing.
These approaches still leave gaps but somehow, these also need to be covered up by whatever method affects the people. For example:
- there would still be graveyards - the previously dead would stay dead, after all. It seems odd that nobody can die and yet there are these dead people there from before.
- Weapons that cause death of individuals like pistols are now mostly useless. These are wide-spread but...now they don't have a reason to exist.
- There are people who directly build their business dealing with the dead. For example, undertakers. Without death, why would they exist?
My personal idea is to half-acknowledge these but still turn a blind eye to them. After all, every single person somehow forgets death existed, it's not too much of a stretch to also have them engage in some doublethink. People can still go and visit the graves of their relatives and keep a gun around even though they know nobody can die. Undertakers might go to work every day and lament the lack of clients even though they simply cannot have clients.
A slight alternative is for the clashing ideas to manifest in some (possibly odd) justifications that people come up with due to the cognitive dissonance. They will know of graves but might forget that there are dead people in them. They could still go visit but as more of a habit. They'd know it's something about paying their respects to aunt Alice and uncle Bob but somehow don't make the mental connection that they are dead. A gun might find unorthodox uses - opening jars, or more extremely - as "toy" for children to play tag with. Undertakers might go and take care of the graves - they don't have anything else to do right now and that's sort of what they did before. They can go and tend to the "memorials" that definitely-don't-have-dead-people and have them nice and clean.
The utter inconceivability of death does require more changes than simply reconciling it with the existence of death before. The thinking of people needs to change and people should reconsider the intend to kill
- if the military wants to do an operation against an enemy force it would be weird to expect shooting to get them anywhere.
- Maybe they alter their plans to just blow up key structures - doesn't need to be "non-lethal", perhaps burying the enemies alive is accepted and expected. It is, after all, now the only way to incapacitate an enemy.
- criminals that wants to take out a target by shooting or stabbing them would be strange
- Instead the criminals might resort to torture or blackmail.
- In extreme cases, the old "bury a body in cement" or "let them sleep with the fishes" still works - the target is silenced, even if alive.
- trying to eliminate somebody for inheritance or other sort of gain would similarly undergo a change.
- ...OK, I thought to bring up the point but I've been racking my brain and can't think of a good alternative. Not without resulting with basically the same as "criminals" and dropping the rich uncle into concrete. But without death, that's not going to net you inheritance. Not to mention that "inheritance" would also not work, unless the cognitive dissonance somehow makes people enact that if a person is "missing".
When death comes back, so should the knowledge of it. It could be very jarring, however, if eliminating death also made people forget it, then perhaps reintroducing death also "magically" makes them immediately know the concept and not notice the difference. Not at first. This way you could have a more of a slow burn for the realisation. It might be a day or two until somebody notices and even then it might not immediately be noticed around the world. It could start with somebody going to the fridge for a pickle and suddenly thinking "Wait, Why did I use a gun to open this jar of pickles, I could have killed somebody". That doesn't immediately cause the discrepancy to be noticed but people will gradually start remembering acting differently for those two weeks without some discernable reason. Eventually, somebody is going to figure it out and connect some dots that nobody died, however that gives you more leeway for the reveal, not everybody suddenly going "WHY DIDN'T ANYBODY DIE" the second the two weeks run out.
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As others pointed out: no, this is impossible. Not in our current world.
In order to make it possible, you have to change something. If you can somehow make people not care about the lack of death, then it could work. However, this has to be a VERY BIG change - not just trying to distract them, that won't work. You can't distract everybody and you can't occupy the attention of absolutely everybody for that long. You have to somehow make them have a complete blind spot in their mind for this phenomena. Here are some suggestions for how this could work:
- This is the realm of mind magic. Very, very powerful mind magic that affects the entire world. Some magician manages to just make every single person in the world turn a blind eye to otherwise miraculous survivals. A guy gets shot in the heart and walks away - onlookers should just shrug and go on their way.
- The sufficiently advanced technology equivalent is some sort of brainwash devices or waves. I can imagine satellites that can instantly brainwash the population.
- A slightly different approach is to consider "death" as metaphysical concept. Since it is eliminated (somehow), that doesn't just mean "nobody dies" but the whole idea of death is gone. The two are metaphysically linked, so not only can people not die, but now (for the next two weeks), nobody can even conceive of death. It's as if that was never a thing.
These approaches still leave gaps but somehow, these also need to be covered up by whatever method affects the people. For example:
- there would still be graveyards - the previously dead would stay dead, after all. It seems odd that nobody can die and yet there are these dead people there from before.
- Weapons that cause death of individuals like pistols are now mostly useless. These are wide-spread but...now they don't have a reason to exist.
- There are people who directly build their business dealing with the dead. For example, undertakers. Without death, why would they exist?
My personal idea is to half-acknowledge these but still turn a blind eye to them. After all, every single person somehow forgets death existed, it's not too much of a stretch to also have them engage in some doublethink. People can still go and visit the graves of their relatives and keep a gun around even though they know nobody can die. Undertakers might go to work every day and lament the lack of clients even though they simply cannot have clients.
A slight alternative is for the clashing ideas to manifest in some (possibly odd) justifications that people come up with due to the cognitive dissonance. They will know of graves but might forget that there are dead people in them. They could still go visit but as more of a habit. They'd know it's something about paying their respects to aunt Alice and uncle Bob but somehow don't make the mental connection that they are dead. A gun might find unorthodox uses - opening jars, or more extremely - as "toy" for children to play tag with. Undertakers might go and take care of the graves - they don't have anything else to do right now and that's sort of what they did before. They can go and tend to the "memorials" that definitely-don't-have-dead-people and have them nice and clean.
The utter inconceivability of death does require more changes than simply reconciling it with the existence of death before. The thinking of people needs to change and people should reconsider the intend to kill
- if the military wants to do an operation against an enemy force it would be weird to expect shooting to get them anywhere.
- Maybe they alter their plans to just blow up key structures - doesn't need to be "non-lethal", perhaps burying the enemies alive is accepted and expected. It is, after all, now the only way to incapacitate an enemy.
- criminals that wants to take out a target by shooting or stabbing them would be strange
- Instead the criminals might resort to torture or blackmail.
- In extreme cases, the old "bury a body in cement" or "let them sleep with the fishes" still works - the target is silenced, even if alive.
- trying to eliminate somebody for inheritance or other sort of gain would similarly undergo a change.
- ...OK, I thought to bring up the point but I've been racking my brain and can't think of a good alternative. Not without resulting with basically the same as "criminals" and dropping the rich uncle into concrete. But without death, that's not going to net you inheritance. Not to mention that "inheritance" would also not work, unless the cognitive dissonance somehow makes people enact that if a person is "missing".
When death comes back, so should the knowledge of it. It could be very jarring, however, if eliminating death also made people forget it, then perhaps reintroducing death also "magically" makes them immediately know the concept and not notice the difference. Not at first. This way you could have a more of a slow burn for the realisation. It might be a day or two until somebody notices and even then it might not immediately be noticed around the world. It could start with somebody going to the fridge for a pickle and suddenly thinking "Wait, Why did I use a gun to open this jar of pickles, I could have killed somebody". That doesn't immediately cause the discrepancy to be noticed but people will gradually start remembering acting differently for those two weeks without some discernable reason. Eventually, somebody is going to figure it out and connect some dots that nobody died, however that gives you more leeway for the reveal, not everybody suddenly going "WHY DIDN'T ANYBODY DIE" the second the two weeks run out.
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Just make people feel like they don't want to kill anybody during those two weeks.
As others have mentioned, while it's still possible that the lack of natural deaths or accidents goes unnoticed because of statistics perks, it's very likely that a living person with a totally smashed skull attracts the attention of the crowd.
So why not make that during those two weeks people don't have the desire to kill anyone, or have a very weak desire to do so?
All of a sudden, generals in war order a "fortnight period to study enemy's positions" instead of attacking. Missile launches are put off or canceled in order to verify some technical issues once more. Assassins who don't succeed at the first attempt are ordered to withdraw and wait for a more favourable moment. Would-have-been murderers just stop a bit and reflect about their life and find a better way to solve their ongoing situation. And so on.
This goes unnoticed because all those people simply genuinely want to do something else. Those who kill people professionally still want to do their job, just later. It's not that they don't want to accomplish their mission, it's that there's something more urgent to do now.
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Just make people feel like they don't want to kill anybody during those two weeks.
As others have mentioned, while it's still possible that the lack of natural deaths or accidents goes unnoticed because of statistics perks, it's very likely that a living person with a totally smashed skull attracts the attention of the crowd.
So why not make that during those two weeks people don't have the desire to kill anyone, or have a very weak desire to do so?
All of a sudden, generals in war order a "fortnight period to study enemy's positions" instead of attacking. Missile launches are put off or canceled in order to verify some technical issues once more. Assassins who don't succeed at the first attempt are ordered to withdraw and wait for a more favourable moment. Would-have-been murderers just stop a bit and reflect about their life and find a better way to solve their ongoing situation. And so on.
This goes unnoticed because all those people simply genuinely want to do something else. Those who kill people professionally still want to do their job, just later. It's not that they don't want to accomplish their mission, it's that there's something more urgent to do now.
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Just make people feel like they don't want to kill anybody during those two weeks.
As others have mentioned, while it's still possible that the lack of natural deaths or accidents goes unnoticed because of statistics perks, it's very likely that a living person with a totally smashed skull attracts the attention of the crowd.
So why not make that during those two weeks people don't have the desire to kill anyone, or have a very weak desire to do so?
All of a sudden, generals in war order a "fortnight period to study enemy's positions" instead of attacking. Missile launches are put off or canceled in order to verify some technical issues once more. Assassins who don't succeed at the first attempt are ordered to withdraw and wait for a more favourable moment. Would-have-been murderers just stop a bit and reflect about their life and find a better way to solve their ongoing situation. And so on.
This goes unnoticed because all those people simply genuinely want to do something else. Those who kill people professionally still want to do their job, just later. It's not that they don't want to accomplish their mission, it's that there's something more urgent to do now.
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Just make people feel like they don't want to kill anybody during those two weeks.
As others have mentioned, while it's still possible that the lack of natural deaths or accidents goes unnoticed because of statistics perks, it's very likely that a living person with a totally smashed skull attracts the attention of the crowd.
So why not make that during those two weeks people don't have the desire to kill anyone, or have a very weak desire to do so?
All of a sudden, generals in war order a "fortnight period to study enemy's positions" instead of attacking. Missile launches are put off or canceled in order to verify some technical issues once more. Assassins who don't succeed at the first attempt are ordered to withdraw and wait for a more favourable moment. Would-have-been murderers just stop a bit and reflect about their life and find a better way to solve their ongoing situation. And so on.
This goes unnoticed because all those people simply genuinely want to do something else. Those who kill people professionally still want to do their job, just later. It's not that they don't want to accomplish their mission, it's that there's something more urgent to do now.
answered Jun 28 at 13:57
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You're going to need to cut off communications and drive people apart. I suggest a mega typhoon. Or maybe a whole set of them. Storms across the globe of epic intensity such that no one is really communicating, and they're all just grateful that their little corner of the world is wet but no one is dead. They can compare notes when the sun comes out.
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You're going to need to cut off communications and drive people apart. I suggest a mega typhoon. Or maybe a whole set of them. Storms across the globe of epic intensity such that no one is really communicating, and they're all just grateful that their little corner of the world is wet but no one is dead. They can compare notes when the sun comes out.
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You're going to need to cut off communications and drive people apart. I suggest a mega typhoon. Or maybe a whole set of them. Storms across the globe of epic intensity such that no one is really communicating, and they're all just grateful that their little corner of the world is wet but no one is dead. They can compare notes when the sun comes out.
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You're going to need to cut off communications and drive people apart. I suggest a mega typhoon. Or maybe a whole set of them. Storms across the globe of epic intensity such that no one is really communicating, and they're all just grateful that their little corner of the world is wet but no one is dead. They can compare notes when the sun comes out.
answered Jun 28 at 6:34
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You basically have a patch that will stop people from dying.
The basic test is to intentinally kill someone.
In 2002, the statistic was one murder every 60 sec. Human have been testing your patch since the beginning of time. And scaled up into a stress test. People will notice. Most of the South America are currently trying to ddos, stress test and pen test the new rule.
Drug cartel, gouv, terrorist, military will notice.
And will come up with new test. And try to find limitation.
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You basically have a patch that will stop people from dying.
The basic test is to intentinally kill someone.
In 2002, the statistic was one murder every 60 sec. Human have been testing your patch since the beginning of time. And scaled up into a stress test. People will notice. Most of the South America are currently trying to ddos, stress test and pen test the new rule.
Drug cartel, gouv, terrorist, military will notice.
And will come up with new test. And try to find limitation.
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You basically have a patch that will stop people from dying.
The basic test is to intentinally kill someone.
In 2002, the statistic was one murder every 60 sec. Human have been testing your patch since the beginning of time. And scaled up into a stress test. People will notice. Most of the South America are currently trying to ddos, stress test and pen test the new rule.
Drug cartel, gouv, terrorist, military will notice.
And will come up with new test. And try to find limitation.
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You basically have a patch that will stop people from dying.
The basic test is to intentinally kill someone.
In 2002, the statistic was one murder every 60 sec. Human have been testing your patch since the beginning of time. And scaled up into a stress test. People will notice. Most of the South America are currently trying to ddos, stress test and pen test the new rule.
Drug cartel, gouv, terrorist, military will notice.
And will come up with new test. And try to find limitation.
answered Jun 28 at 12:19
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In advanced countries with bureaucracies that rule most of the people on the planet, all deaths are supposed to be reported to official statistical bureaus. Depending on the average number of death reported per day to a specific organization, it may take days, hours, or minutes for someone to notice a big drop in reported deaths, and if they try contacting people to see why they are suddenly slow to report and learn that there are no deaths to report so far that will be news.
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In advanced countries with bureaucracies that rule most of the people on the planet, all deaths are supposed to be reported to official statistical bureaus. Depending on the average number of death reported per day to a specific organization, it may take days, hours, or minutes for someone to notice a big drop in reported deaths, and if they try contacting people to see why they are suddenly slow to report and learn that there are no deaths to report so far that will be news.
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In advanced countries with bureaucracies that rule most of the people on the planet, all deaths are supposed to be reported to official statistical bureaus. Depending on the average number of death reported per day to a specific organization, it may take days, hours, or minutes for someone to notice a big drop in reported deaths, and if they try contacting people to see why they are suddenly slow to report and learn that there are no deaths to report so far that will be news.
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In advanced countries with bureaucracies that rule most of the people on the planet, all deaths are supposed to be reported to official statistical bureaus. Depending on the average number of death reported per day to a specific organization, it may take days, hours, or minutes for someone to notice a big drop in reported deaths, and if they try contacting people to see why they are suddenly slow to report and learn that there are no deaths to report so far that will be news.
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Closely related: worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/66614/…
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– Mark
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