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Order of compound particles
Compound words with 漢字 and カタカナ? (例えば：新メニュー）Meaning of にまで?Usage of 「と」 in these 2 sentences, conditional or quotation? And how to differentiateIs 大判小判 a word on its own?Why is the を particle used twice hereCompound words and の-particleNegation in a verbてverbてはならない/いけない compoundUnsure about this usage of the word までgrammar - 接続 of compound words ending with verb-ずReason for と particle after adverb さっき in sentence about something previously mentioned
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I came across the following sentence:
彼氏と大喧嘩して、お前とはもう別れたいとまで言われた。
Why are と and まで in that order?
Would "別れたいまでと言われた" be incorrect?
Is there a rule concerning the order in which particles must be assembled?
particle-と compounds particle-まで
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I came across the following sentence:
彼氏と大喧嘩して、お前とはもう別れたいとまで言われた。
Why are と and まで in that order?
Would "別れたいまでと言われた" be incorrect?
Is there a rule concerning the order in which particles must be assembled?
particle-と compounds particle-まで
asked Jul 20 at 22:36
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I came across the following sentence:
彼氏と大喧嘩して、お前とはもう別れたいとまで言われた。
Why are と and まで in that order?
Would "別れたいまでと言われた" be incorrect?
Is there a rule concerning the order in which particles must be assembled?
particle-と compounds particle-まで
asked Jul 20 at 22:36
Right legRight leg
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I came across the following sentence:
彼氏と大喧嘩して、お前とはもう別れたいとまで言われた。
Why are と and まで in that order?
Would "別れたいまでと言われた" be incorrect?
Is there a rule concerning the order in which particles must be assembled?
particle-と compounds particle-まで
particle-と compounds particle-まで
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Yes, the order matters. Since things before the と will be treated as a part of the quote, お前とはもう別れたいまでと言われた sounds like he actually said "別れたいまで", which makes no sense in this context. It's somewhat like "He even said that ～" vs "He said that even ～". In general, when two particles are combined, the order is almost always important (e.g., you can say 学校では but not 学校はで).
answered Jul 21 at 6:56
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So as a rule of thumb, I can remember that と is said before まで in order to mark the end of the quote?
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 11:13
@Rightleg Yes, unless まで is really a part of the quote.
– naruto
Jul 21 at 16:58
That makes sense, thanks!
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 19:13
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Yes, the order matters. Since things before the と will be treated as a part of the quote, お前とはもう別れたいまでと言われた sounds like he actually said "別れたいまで", which makes no sense in this context. It's somewhat like "He even said that ～" vs "He said that even ～". In general, when two particles are combined, the order is almost always important (e.g., you can say 学校では but not 学校はで).
answered Jul 21 at 6:56
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So as a rule of thumb, I can remember that と is said before まで in order to mark the end of the quote?
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 11:13
@Rightleg Yes, unless まで is really a part of the quote.
– naruto
Jul 21 at 16:58
That makes sense, thanks!
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 19:13
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Yes, the order matters. Since things before the と will be treated as a part of the quote, お前とはもう別れたいまでと言われた sounds like he actually said "別れたいまで", which makes no sense in this context. It's somewhat like "He even said that ～" vs "He said that even ～". In general, when two particles are combined, the order is almost always important (e.g., you can say 学校では but not 学校はで).
answered Jul 21 at 6:56
narutonaruto
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So as a rule of thumb, I can remember that と is said before まで in order to mark the end of the quote?
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 11:13
@Rightleg Yes, unless まで is really a part of the quote.
– naruto
Jul 21 at 16:58
That makes sense, thanks!
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 19:13
add a comment |
Yes, the order matters. Since things before the と will be treated as a part of the quote, お前とはもう別れたいまでと言われた sounds like he actually said "別れたいまで", which makes no sense in this context. It's somewhat like "He even said that ～" vs "He said that even ～". In general, when two particles are combined, the order is almost always important (e.g., you can say 学校では but not 学校はで).
answered Jul 21 at 6:56
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Yes, the order matters. Since things before the と will be treated as a part of the quote, お前とはもう別れたいまでと言われた sounds like he actually said "別れたいまで", which makes no sense in this context. It's somewhat like "He even said that ～" vs "He said that even ～". In general, when two particles are combined, the order is almost always important (e.g., you can say 学校では but not 学校はで).
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So as a rule of thumb, I can remember that と is said before まで in order to mark the end of the quote?
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 11:13
@Rightleg Yes, unless まで is really a part of the quote.
– naruto
Jul 21 at 16:58
That makes sense, thanks!
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 19:13
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So as a rule of thumb, I can remember that と is said before まで in order to mark the end of the quote?
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 11:13
@Rightleg Yes, unless まで is really a part of the quote.
– naruto
Jul 21 at 16:58
That makes sense, thanks!
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 19:13
So as a rule of thumb, I can remember that と is said before まで in order to mark the end of the quote?
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 11:13
So as a rule of thumb, I can remember that と is said before まで in order to mark the end of the quote?
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 11:13
@Rightleg Yes, unless まで is really a part of the quote.
– naruto
Jul 21 at 16:58
@Rightleg Yes, unless まで is really a part of the quote.
– naruto
Jul 21 at 16:58
That makes sense, thanks!
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 19:13
That makes sense, thanks!
– Right leg
Jul 21 at 19:13
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