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What is an air conditioner compressor hard start kit and how does it work?


How do motor capacitors change in value with respect to age or environmental factors?Does outside air conditioning compressor fan run all the time?Reducing air conditioner compressor vibration noiseWhat is wrong with my air conditionerWhy would my boiler expel steam when it's set at 180Fecobee3 Installation - Thermostat Y Terminal (yellow) Wire Connects to C Terminal Boardnoisy Air-conditioner compressorWhat could cause high power usage in HVAC system after lightning strike?Indoor blower fan turns on and off intermittently in 10-15 min increments when system is off.Indoor blower fan turns on and off intermittently in 10-15 min increments when system is offCan I use a larger HVAC Hard Start kit than is recommended?






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My air conditioner compressor wasn't functioning properly recently. The compressor wouldn't start when the start relay energized. A HVAC technician diagnosed the problem nebulously as "It needs a hard start kit because the compressor is getting old and tired."



The compressor is a machine. It doesn't get tired. I am asking for a precise description of the components in a hard start kit and how they're connected to the compressor.










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    Well lets be reasonable now anything you alter the kinetic to potential energy ratio enough will eventually turn to mush

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    There is another product term, "soft start", which can be used in solar PV or generator situations. Maybe this is the same thing, but I don't know. The idea is to reduce the in-rush current that occurs when the compressor starts up, and limited power supplies (like those mentioned) can fail to work with AC compressors.

    – donjuedo
    Aug 6 at 13:18







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    hard start kits are more expensive and thus have more profit than just replacing a $10 capacitor, that being said it takes about 5 times the power to start an AC unit than it does to run it, and the additional heat generated in the motor is not good for it, so you want it to start as fast as possible

    – Richie Frame
    Aug 6 at 23:56

















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My air conditioner compressor wasn't functioning properly recently. The compressor wouldn't start when the start relay energized. A HVAC technician diagnosed the problem nebulously as "It needs a hard start kit because the compressor is getting old and tired."



The compressor is a machine. It doesn't get tired. I am asking for a precise description of the components in a hard start kit and how they're connected to the compressor.










share|improve this question



















  • 2





    Well lets be reasonable now anything you alter the kinetic to potential energy ratio enough will eventually turn to mush

    – Adam
    Aug 6 at 9:21






  • 2





    There is another product term, "soft start", which can be used in solar PV or generator situations. Maybe this is the same thing, but I don't know. The idea is to reduce the in-rush current that occurs when the compressor starts up, and limited power supplies (like those mentioned) can fail to work with AC compressors.

    – donjuedo
    Aug 6 at 13:18







  • 3





    hard start kits are more expensive and thus have more profit than just replacing a $10 capacitor, that being said it takes about 5 times the power to start an AC unit than it does to run it, and the additional heat generated in the motor is not good for it, so you want it to start as fast as possible

    – Richie Frame
    Aug 6 at 23:56













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My air conditioner compressor wasn't functioning properly recently. The compressor wouldn't start when the start relay energized. A HVAC technician diagnosed the problem nebulously as "It needs a hard start kit because the compressor is getting old and tired."



The compressor is a machine. It doesn't get tired. I am asking for a precise description of the components in a hard start kit and how they're connected to the compressor.










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My air conditioner compressor wasn't functioning properly recently. The compressor wouldn't start when the start relay energized. A HVAC technician diagnosed the problem nebulously as "It needs a hard start kit because the compressor is getting old and tired."



The compressor is a machine. It doesn't get tired. I am asking for a precise description of the components in a hard start kit and how they're connected to the compressor.







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    Well lets be reasonable now anything you alter the kinetic to potential energy ratio enough will eventually turn to mush

    – Adam
    Aug 6 at 9:21






  • 2





    There is another product term, "soft start", which can be used in solar PV or generator situations. Maybe this is the same thing, but I don't know. The idea is to reduce the in-rush current that occurs when the compressor starts up, and limited power supplies (like those mentioned) can fail to work with AC compressors.

    – donjuedo
    Aug 6 at 13:18







  • 3





    hard start kits are more expensive and thus have more profit than just replacing a $10 capacitor, that being said it takes about 5 times the power to start an AC unit than it does to run it, and the additional heat generated in the motor is not good for it, so you want it to start as fast as possible

    – Richie Frame
    Aug 6 at 23:56












  • 2





    Well lets be reasonable now anything you alter the kinetic to potential energy ratio enough will eventually turn to mush

    – Adam
    Aug 6 at 9:21






  • 2





    There is another product term, "soft start", which can be used in solar PV or generator situations. Maybe this is the same thing, but I don't know. The idea is to reduce the in-rush current that occurs when the compressor starts up, and limited power supplies (like those mentioned) can fail to work with AC compressors.

    – donjuedo
    Aug 6 at 13:18







  • 3





    hard start kits are more expensive and thus have more profit than just replacing a $10 capacitor, that being said it takes about 5 times the power to start an AC unit than it does to run it, and the additional heat generated in the motor is not good for it, so you want it to start as fast as possible

    – Richie Frame
    Aug 6 at 23:56







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Well lets be reasonable now anything you alter the kinetic to potential energy ratio enough will eventually turn to mush

– Adam
Aug 6 at 9:21





Well lets be reasonable now anything you alter the kinetic to potential energy ratio enough will eventually turn to mush

– Adam
Aug 6 at 9:21




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There is another product term, "soft start", which can be used in solar PV or generator situations. Maybe this is the same thing, but I don't know. The idea is to reduce the in-rush current that occurs when the compressor starts up, and limited power supplies (like those mentioned) can fail to work with AC compressors.

– donjuedo
Aug 6 at 13:18






There is another product term, "soft start", which can be used in solar PV or generator situations. Maybe this is the same thing, but I don't know. The idea is to reduce the in-rush current that occurs when the compressor starts up, and limited power supplies (like those mentioned) can fail to work with AC compressors.

– donjuedo
Aug 6 at 13:18





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hard start kits are more expensive and thus have more profit than just replacing a $10 capacitor, that being said it takes about 5 times the power to start an AC unit than it does to run it, and the additional heat generated in the motor is not good for it, so you want it to start as fast as possible

– Richie Frame
Aug 6 at 23:56





hard start kits are more expensive and thus have more profit than just replacing a $10 capacitor, that being said it takes about 5 times the power to start an AC unit than it does to run it, and the additional heat generated in the motor is not good for it, so you want it to start as fast as possible

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Residential A/C compressors are generally single phase motors and all single phase motors do not naturally rotate on their own, they need something to START them rotating. There are numerous ways to do that, each with its own set of advantages and disadvantages. For A/C compressors, they use what's called a "Capacitor Start" method wherein a capacitor is put into the motor circuit for the first second or so in order to get it to start rotating, then once it has begun rotating in the correct direction it is taken out of the circuit again with a device called a "Potential Relay" (in most cases) that knows when the motor gets to speed.



A "Hard Start" kit is just a bigger capacitor for the motor and new a Potential Relay suitable for that bigger capacitor. The working principle behind his recommendation is that your existing motor starting capacitor was sized for when the motor was new and fresh, now the bearings are wearing and there is more friction, so that original capacitor is not strong enough to make the motor begin rotating. Some people also seem to believe that capacitors get "weak" over time (they don't; they either work or they fail, there is no "weakening").



There is some debate as to the validity of that concept though, because motor people know that over sizing a capacitor does not make up for bad mechanics and in fact comes with a new set of problems, otherwise the motor mfr would have just used a larger capacitor to begin with. The original purpose of a "Hard Start" kit was actually intended to deal with situations where your line voltage is too low for the motor to start, so the larger capacitor gave it a boost. Sometimes it can be true that when your A/C was first installed, the line power was higher and now so many people in your area have added A/C units and/or other big loads that it is causing a voltage drop that you didn't used to have. So my theory is that because adding a Hard Start kit will fix that problem sometimes, some HVAC technicians have taken to looking at them as the "cure-all" for any sort of problems. But if your compressor is truly wearing out, a Hard Start kit will, at best, only prolong the inevitable. It might get you through the summer, but be prepared for having to have the compressor replaced sooner than later.



Unless you can determine that your line voltage is indeed lower than normal. Your utility or an electrician can tell you that.






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    Capacitors certainly can get weak over time; I don't know if motor capacitors do, but there's a reason people often have to replace them in very old electronic equipment.

    – immibis
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    To elaborate on @immibis' comment, some capacitors in audio equipment have a liquid or a gel as one electrode (called electrolytic capacitors) which slowly dries over time (1, 2) which in turn leads to gradual decrease in capacity. If you have an electrolytic capacitor in your starter, it may suffice that you replace it with a fresh one of same specification.

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    The comment "Capacitors certainly can get weak over time" drove me to ask a separate question on that. Can they? If they do, what is their effect on a motor? Does a weaker (lower value?) capacitor cause a motor to run hotter?

    – ndemarco
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    @Pavel: Electrolytic capacitors which are left holding a voltage near their withstand voltage will build up a dielectric layer that will have the effect of increasing their withstand voltage while decreasing their capacitance. From what I've read, this is in many cases part of the manufacturing process (start with low-voltage high-capacity caps, and then build up the dielectric layer until the parts behave as required).

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    Electrolytic capacitors "deform", meaning the oxide layer on the film dissolves back into the electrolyte, but only if they have not been energized for a long period of time, as in 2 years or so. Every time they are energized, that oxide layer is formed anew. The danger with old capacitors is that the oxide layer, if already dissolved, takes too long to re-form and when energized fully before that happens, the layers of the capacitor film will burn through. But on a motor starting capacitor where the motor is started frequently, they can last years with no significant decrease in performance.

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"Tired" is a figure of speech, it means that performance has sagged from as-new state, which is an inevitable behavior of most machinery. Age alone is a factor (particularly for capacitors) but usage is also a factor. It's possible that what's "tired" is the capacitor, because that is normal for capacitors.



Since a hard-start kit goes where a capacitor goes, it might be the case that the capacitor is simply "tired" and he is unwittingly obscuring this fact by going straight for the hard-start kit. It might be that simply replacing the capacitor would have the same effect. Those are sold by Galco, Grainger and others.






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    Residential A/C compressors are generally single phase motors and all single phase motors do not naturally rotate on their own, they need something to START them rotating. There are numerous ways to do that, each with its own set of advantages and disadvantages. For A/C compressors, they use what's called a "Capacitor Start" method wherein a capacitor is put into the motor circuit for the first second or so in order to get it to start rotating, then once it has begun rotating in the correct direction it is taken out of the circuit again with a device called a "Potential Relay" (in most cases) that knows when the motor gets to speed.



    A "Hard Start" kit is just a bigger capacitor for the motor and new a Potential Relay suitable for that bigger capacitor. The working principle behind his recommendation is that your existing motor starting capacitor was sized for when the motor was new and fresh, now the bearings are wearing and there is more friction, so that original capacitor is not strong enough to make the motor begin rotating. Some people also seem to believe that capacitors get "weak" over time (they don't; they either work or they fail, there is no "weakening").



    There is some debate as to the validity of that concept though, because motor people know that over sizing a capacitor does not make up for bad mechanics and in fact comes with a new set of problems, otherwise the motor mfr would have just used a larger capacitor to begin with. The original purpose of a "Hard Start" kit was actually intended to deal with situations where your line voltage is too low for the motor to start, so the larger capacitor gave it a boost. Sometimes it can be true that when your A/C was first installed, the line power was higher and now so many people in your area have added A/C units and/or other big loads that it is causing a voltage drop that you didn't used to have. So my theory is that because adding a Hard Start kit will fix that problem sometimes, some HVAC technicians have taken to looking at them as the "cure-all" for any sort of problems. But if your compressor is truly wearing out, a Hard Start kit will, at best, only prolong the inevitable. It might get you through the summer, but be prepared for having to have the compressor replaced sooner than later.



    Unless you can determine that your line voltage is indeed lower than normal. Your utility or an electrician can tell you that.






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    • 24





      Capacitors certainly can get weak over time; I don't know if motor capacitors do, but there's a reason people often have to replace them in very old electronic equipment.

      – immibis
      Aug 6 at 6:23







    • 18





      To elaborate on @immibis' comment, some capacitors in audio equipment have a liquid or a gel as one electrode (called electrolytic capacitors) which slowly dries over time (1, 2) which in turn leads to gradual decrease in capacity. If you have an electrolytic capacitor in your starter, it may suffice that you replace it with a fresh one of same specification.

      – Pavel
      Aug 6 at 13:39







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      The comment "Capacitors certainly can get weak over time" drove me to ask a separate question on that. Can they? If they do, what is their effect on a motor? Does a weaker (lower value?) capacitor cause a motor to run hotter?

      – ndemarco
      Aug 7 at 12:17






    • 1





      @Pavel: Electrolytic capacitors which are left holding a voltage near their withstand voltage will build up a dielectric layer that will have the effect of increasing their withstand voltage while decreasing their capacitance. From what I've read, this is in many cases part of the manufacturing process (start with low-voltage high-capacity caps, and then build up the dielectric layer until the parts behave as required).

      – supercat
      Aug 7 at 15:41






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      Electrolytic capacitors "deform", meaning the oxide layer on the film dissolves back into the electrolyte, but only if they have not been energized for a long period of time, as in 2 years or so. Every time they are energized, that oxide layer is formed anew. The danger with old capacitors is that the oxide layer, if already dissolved, takes too long to re-form and when energized fully before that happens, the layers of the capacitor film will burn through. But on a motor starting capacitor where the motor is started frequently, they can last years with no significant decrease in performance.

      – J. Raefield
      Aug 7 at 19:56















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    Residential A/C compressors are generally single phase motors and all single phase motors do not naturally rotate on their own, they need something to START them rotating. There are numerous ways to do that, each with its own set of advantages and disadvantages. For A/C compressors, they use what's called a "Capacitor Start" method wherein a capacitor is put into the motor circuit for the first second or so in order to get it to start rotating, then once it has begun rotating in the correct direction it is taken out of the circuit again with a device called a "Potential Relay" (in most cases) that knows when the motor gets to speed.



    A "Hard Start" kit is just a bigger capacitor for the motor and new a Potential Relay suitable for that bigger capacitor. The working principle behind his recommendation is that your existing motor starting capacitor was sized for when the motor was new and fresh, now the bearings are wearing and there is more friction, so that original capacitor is not strong enough to make the motor begin rotating. Some people also seem to believe that capacitors get "weak" over time (they don't; they either work or they fail, there is no "weakening").



    There is some debate as to the validity of that concept though, because motor people know that over sizing a capacitor does not make up for bad mechanics and in fact comes with a new set of problems, otherwise the motor mfr would have just used a larger capacitor to begin with. The original purpose of a "Hard Start" kit was actually intended to deal with situations where your line voltage is too low for the motor to start, so the larger capacitor gave it a boost. Sometimes it can be true that when your A/C was first installed, the line power was higher and now so many people in your area have added A/C units and/or other big loads that it is causing a voltage drop that you didn't used to have. So my theory is that because adding a Hard Start kit will fix that problem sometimes, some HVAC technicians have taken to looking at them as the "cure-all" for any sort of problems. But if your compressor is truly wearing out, a Hard Start kit will, at best, only prolong the inevitable. It might get you through the summer, but be prepared for having to have the compressor replaced sooner than later.



    Unless you can determine that your line voltage is indeed lower than normal. Your utility or an electrician can tell you that.






    share|improve this answer




















    • 24





      Capacitors certainly can get weak over time; I don't know if motor capacitors do, but there's a reason people often have to replace them in very old electronic equipment.

      – immibis
      Aug 6 at 6:23







    • 18





      To elaborate on @immibis' comment, some capacitors in audio equipment have a liquid or a gel as one electrode (called electrolytic capacitors) which slowly dries over time (1, 2) which in turn leads to gradual decrease in capacity. If you have an electrolytic capacitor in your starter, it may suffice that you replace it with a fresh one of same specification.

      – Pavel
      Aug 6 at 13:39







    • 1





      The comment "Capacitors certainly can get weak over time" drove me to ask a separate question on that. Can they? If they do, what is their effect on a motor? Does a weaker (lower value?) capacitor cause a motor to run hotter?

      – ndemarco
      Aug 7 at 12:17






    • 1





      @Pavel: Electrolytic capacitors which are left holding a voltage near their withstand voltage will build up a dielectric layer that will have the effect of increasing their withstand voltage while decreasing their capacitance. From what I've read, this is in many cases part of the manufacturing process (start with low-voltage high-capacity caps, and then build up the dielectric layer until the parts behave as required).

      – supercat
      Aug 7 at 15:41






    • 1





      Electrolytic capacitors "deform", meaning the oxide layer on the film dissolves back into the electrolyte, but only if they have not been energized for a long period of time, as in 2 years or so. Every time they are energized, that oxide layer is formed anew. The danger with old capacitors is that the oxide layer, if already dissolved, takes too long to re-form and when energized fully before that happens, the layers of the capacitor film will burn through. But on a motor starting capacitor where the motor is started frequently, they can last years with no significant decrease in performance.

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      Aug 7 at 19:56













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    Residential A/C compressors are generally single phase motors and all single phase motors do not naturally rotate on their own, they need something to START them rotating. There are numerous ways to do that, each with its own set of advantages and disadvantages. For A/C compressors, they use what's called a "Capacitor Start" method wherein a capacitor is put into the motor circuit for the first second or so in order to get it to start rotating, then once it has begun rotating in the correct direction it is taken out of the circuit again with a device called a "Potential Relay" (in most cases) that knows when the motor gets to speed.



    A "Hard Start" kit is just a bigger capacitor for the motor and new a Potential Relay suitable for that bigger capacitor. The working principle behind his recommendation is that your existing motor starting capacitor was sized for when the motor was new and fresh, now the bearings are wearing and there is more friction, so that original capacitor is not strong enough to make the motor begin rotating. Some people also seem to believe that capacitors get "weak" over time (they don't; they either work or they fail, there is no "weakening").



    There is some debate as to the validity of that concept though, because motor people know that over sizing a capacitor does not make up for bad mechanics and in fact comes with a new set of problems, otherwise the motor mfr would have just used a larger capacitor to begin with. The original purpose of a "Hard Start" kit was actually intended to deal with situations where your line voltage is too low for the motor to start, so the larger capacitor gave it a boost. Sometimes it can be true that when your A/C was first installed, the line power was higher and now so many people in your area have added A/C units and/or other big loads that it is causing a voltage drop that you didn't used to have. So my theory is that because adding a Hard Start kit will fix that problem sometimes, some HVAC technicians have taken to looking at them as the "cure-all" for any sort of problems. But if your compressor is truly wearing out, a Hard Start kit will, at best, only prolong the inevitable. It might get you through the summer, but be prepared for having to have the compressor replaced sooner than later.



    Unless you can determine that your line voltage is indeed lower than normal. Your utility or an electrician can tell you that.






    share|improve this answer













    Residential A/C compressors are generally single phase motors and all single phase motors do not naturally rotate on their own, they need something to START them rotating. There are numerous ways to do that, each with its own set of advantages and disadvantages. For A/C compressors, they use what's called a "Capacitor Start" method wherein a capacitor is put into the motor circuit for the first second or so in order to get it to start rotating, then once it has begun rotating in the correct direction it is taken out of the circuit again with a device called a "Potential Relay" (in most cases) that knows when the motor gets to speed.



    A "Hard Start" kit is just a bigger capacitor for the motor and new a Potential Relay suitable for that bigger capacitor. The working principle behind his recommendation is that your existing motor starting capacitor was sized for when the motor was new and fresh, now the bearings are wearing and there is more friction, so that original capacitor is not strong enough to make the motor begin rotating. Some people also seem to believe that capacitors get "weak" over time (they don't; they either work or they fail, there is no "weakening").



    There is some debate as to the validity of that concept though, because motor people know that over sizing a capacitor does not make up for bad mechanics and in fact comes with a new set of problems, otherwise the motor mfr would have just used a larger capacitor to begin with. The original purpose of a "Hard Start" kit was actually intended to deal with situations where your line voltage is too low for the motor to start, so the larger capacitor gave it a boost. Sometimes it can be true that when your A/C was first installed, the line power was higher and now so many people in your area have added A/C units and/or other big loads that it is causing a voltage drop that you didn't used to have. So my theory is that because adding a Hard Start kit will fix that problem sometimes, some HVAC technicians have taken to looking at them as the "cure-all" for any sort of problems. But if your compressor is truly wearing out, a Hard Start kit will, at best, only prolong the inevitable. It might get you through the summer, but be prepared for having to have the compressor replaced sooner than later.



    Unless you can determine that your line voltage is indeed lower than normal. Your utility or an electrician can tell you that.







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    • 24





      Capacitors certainly can get weak over time; I don't know if motor capacitors do, but there's a reason people often have to replace them in very old electronic equipment.

      – immibis
      Aug 6 at 6:23







    • 18





      To elaborate on @immibis' comment, some capacitors in audio equipment have a liquid or a gel as one electrode (called electrolytic capacitors) which slowly dries over time (1, 2) which in turn leads to gradual decrease in capacity. If you have an electrolytic capacitor in your starter, it may suffice that you replace it with a fresh one of same specification.

      – Pavel
      Aug 6 at 13:39







    • 1





      The comment "Capacitors certainly can get weak over time" drove me to ask a separate question on that. Can they? If they do, what is their effect on a motor? Does a weaker (lower value?) capacitor cause a motor to run hotter?

      – ndemarco
      Aug 7 at 12:17






    • 1





      @Pavel: Electrolytic capacitors which are left holding a voltage near their withstand voltage will build up a dielectric layer that will have the effect of increasing their withstand voltage while decreasing their capacitance. From what I've read, this is in many cases part of the manufacturing process (start with low-voltage high-capacity caps, and then build up the dielectric layer until the parts behave as required).

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      Aug 7 at 15:41






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      Electrolytic capacitors "deform", meaning the oxide layer on the film dissolves back into the electrolyte, but only if they have not been energized for a long period of time, as in 2 years or so. Every time they are energized, that oxide layer is formed anew. The danger with old capacitors is that the oxide layer, if already dissolved, takes too long to re-form and when energized fully before that happens, the layers of the capacitor film will burn through. But on a motor starting capacitor where the motor is started frequently, they can last years with no significant decrease in performance.

      – J. Raefield
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      Capacitors certainly can get weak over time; I don't know if motor capacitors do, but there's a reason people often have to replace them in very old electronic equipment.

      – immibis
      Aug 6 at 6:23







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      To elaborate on @immibis' comment, some capacitors in audio equipment have a liquid or a gel as one electrode (called electrolytic capacitors) which slowly dries over time (1, 2) which in turn leads to gradual decrease in capacity. If you have an electrolytic capacitor in your starter, it may suffice that you replace it with a fresh one of same specification.

      – Pavel
      Aug 6 at 13:39







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      The comment "Capacitors certainly can get weak over time" drove me to ask a separate question on that. Can they? If they do, what is their effect on a motor? Does a weaker (lower value?) capacitor cause a motor to run hotter?

      – ndemarco
      Aug 7 at 12:17






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      @Pavel: Electrolytic capacitors which are left holding a voltage near their withstand voltage will build up a dielectric layer that will have the effect of increasing their withstand voltage while decreasing their capacitance. From what I've read, this is in many cases part of the manufacturing process (start with low-voltage high-capacity caps, and then build up the dielectric layer until the parts behave as required).

      – supercat
      Aug 7 at 15:41






    • 1





      Electrolytic capacitors "deform", meaning the oxide layer on the film dissolves back into the electrolyte, but only if they have not been energized for a long period of time, as in 2 years or so. Every time they are energized, that oxide layer is formed anew. The danger with old capacitors is that the oxide layer, if already dissolved, takes too long to re-form and when energized fully before that happens, the layers of the capacitor film will burn through. But on a motor starting capacitor where the motor is started frequently, they can last years with no significant decrease in performance.

      – J. Raefield
      Aug 7 at 19:56







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    Capacitors certainly can get weak over time; I don't know if motor capacitors do, but there's a reason people often have to replace them in very old electronic equipment.

    – immibis
    Aug 6 at 6:23






    Capacitors certainly can get weak over time; I don't know if motor capacitors do, but there's a reason people often have to replace them in very old electronic equipment.

    – immibis
    Aug 6 at 6:23





    18




    18





    To elaborate on @immibis' comment, some capacitors in audio equipment have a liquid or a gel as one electrode (called electrolytic capacitors) which slowly dries over time (1, 2) which in turn leads to gradual decrease in capacity. If you have an electrolytic capacitor in your starter, it may suffice that you replace it with a fresh one of same specification.

    – Pavel
    Aug 6 at 13:39






    To elaborate on @immibis' comment, some capacitors in audio equipment have a liquid or a gel as one electrode (called electrolytic capacitors) which slowly dries over time (1, 2) which in turn leads to gradual decrease in capacity. If you have an electrolytic capacitor in your starter, it may suffice that you replace it with a fresh one of same specification.

    – Pavel
    Aug 6 at 13:39





    1




    1





    The comment "Capacitors certainly can get weak over time" drove me to ask a separate question on that. Can they? If they do, what is their effect on a motor? Does a weaker (lower value?) capacitor cause a motor to run hotter?

    – ndemarco
    Aug 7 at 12:17





    The comment "Capacitors certainly can get weak over time" drove me to ask a separate question on that. Can they? If they do, what is their effect on a motor? Does a weaker (lower value?) capacitor cause a motor to run hotter?

    – ndemarco
    Aug 7 at 12:17




    1




    1





    @Pavel: Electrolytic capacitors which are left holding a voltage near their withstand voltage will build up a dielectric layer that will have the effect of increasing their withstand voltage while decreasing their capacitance. From what I've read, this is in many cases part of the manufacturing process (start with low-voltage high-capacity caps, and then build up the dielectric layer until the parts behave as required).

    – supercat
    Aug 7 at 15:41





    @Pavel: Electrolytic capacitors which are left holding a voltage near their withstand voltage will build up a dielectric layer that will have the effect of increasing their withstand voltage while decreasing their capacitance. From what I've read, this is in many cases part of the manufacturing process (start with low-voltage high-capacity caps, and then build up the dielectric layer until the parts behave as required).

    – supercat
    Aug 7 at 15:41




    1




    1





    Electrolytic capacitors "deform", meaning the oxide layer on the film dissolves back into the electrolyte, but only if they have not been energized for a long period of time, as in 2 years or so. Every time they are energized, that oxide layer is formed anew. The danger with old capacitors is that the oxide layer, if already dissolved, takes too long to re-form and when energized fully before that happens, the layers of the capacitor film will burn through. But on a motor starting capacitor where the motor is started frequently, they can last years with no significant decrease in performance.

    – J. Raefield
    Aug 7 at 19:56





    Electrolytic capacitors "deform", meaning the oxide layer on the film dissolves back into the electrolyte, but only if they have not been energized for a long period of time, as in 2 years or so. Every time they are energized, that oxide layer is formed anew. The danger with old capacitors is that the oxide layer, if already dissolved, takes too long to re-form and when energized fully before that happens, the layers of the capacitor film will burn through. But on a motor starting capacitor where the motor is started frequently, they can last years with no significant decrease in performance.

    – J. Raefield
    Aug 7 at 19:56













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    "Tired" is a figure of speech, it means that performance has sagged from as-new state, which is an inevitable behavior of most machinery. Age alone is a factor (particularly for capacitors) but usage is also a factor. It's possible that what's "tired" is the capacitor, because that is normal for capacitors.



    Since a hard-start kit goes where a capacitor goes, it might be the case that the capacitor is simply "tired" and he is unwittingly obscuring this fact by going straight for the hard-start kit. It might be that simply replacing the capacitor would have the same effect. Those are sold by Galco, Grainger and others.






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      "Tired" is a figure of speech, it means that performance has sagged from as-new state, which is an inevitable behavior of most machinery. Age alone is a factor (particularly for capacitors) but usage is also a factor. It's possible that what's "tired" is the capacitor, because that is normal for capacitors.



      Since a hard-start kit goes where a capacitor goes, it might be the case that the capacitor is simply "tired" and he is unwittingly obscuring this fact by going straight for the hard-start kit. It might be that simply replacing the capacitor would have the same effect. Those are sold by Galco, Grainger and others.






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        "Tired" is a figure of speech, it means that performance has sagged from as-new state, which is an inevitable behavior of most machinery. Age alone is a factor (particularly for capacitors) but usage is also a factor. It's possible that what's "tired" is the capacitor, because that is normal for capacitors.



        Since a hard-start kit goes where a capacitor goes, it might be the case that the capacitor is simply "tired" and he is unwittingly obscuring this fact by going straight for the hard-start kit. It might be that simply replacing the capacitor would have the same effect. Those are sold by Galco, Grainger and others.






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        "Tired" is a figure of speech, it means that performance has sagged from as-new state, which is an inevitable behavior of most machinery. Age alone is a factor (particularly for capacitors) but usage is also a factor. It's possible that what's "tired" is the capacitor, because that is normal for capacitors.



        Since a hard-start kit goes where a capacitor goes, it might be the case that the capacitor is simply "tired" and he is unwittingly obscuring this fact by going straight for the hard-start kit. It might be that simply replacing the capacitor would have the same effect. Those are sold by Galco, Grainger and others.







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