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What could be the right powersource for 15 seconds lifespan disposable giant chainsaw?
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Imagine when a jet fighter swoops in to drop a 400 pounds giant chainsaw to you just so that you can use it to grind down one problematic enemy into a pulp then discard it a foot away from you. What power source would suit such a weapon with only 1 instant use before breaking itself apart?
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Imagine when a jet fighter swoops in to drop a 400 pounds giant chainsaw to you just so that you can use it to grind down one problematic enemy into a pulp then discard it a foot away from you. What power source would suit such a weapon with only 1 instant use before breaking itself apart?
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This whole concept seems unwise to me. 400lbs is crazy amount of weight to wield, which assume the chainsaw survives landing, and it lands near you. Range is way too close to have a problematic enemy for my comfort. Instead how about 100lbs or so of frag grenades or similar you can use from a safe distance. Range, damages, easy to use, and multiples can be deployed to same target easily.
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@cybernard The whole concept is batshit insane. It's obviously intended for a fictional universe driven by the rule of cool and not by rationality.
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@Philipp there is rule of cool and there's stuff that breaks the suspension of disbelief. I do believe that with chainsaw planes, any hope for realism goes right out the window... which doesn't necessarily make the resulting fiction bad, but it does make the need for defined inner workings quite a bit less necessary.
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In a universe where coolness trumps sanity when it comes to conflict, chainsaw planes make perfect sense. As do superhero landings (They’re hell on the knees), giant floating air fortresses and flashy uniforms with the underpants on the outside. Basically this is the kind of thing any superhero film could benefit from.
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– Joe Bloggs
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I initially read this as the jet dropping the chainsaw directly on the enemy, which is also awesome.
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Imagine when a jet fighter swoops in to drop a 400 pounds giant chainsaw to you just so that you can use it to grind down one problematic enemy into a pulp then discard it a foot away from you. What power source would suit such a weapon with only 1 instant use before breaking itself apart?
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Imagine when a jet fighter swoops in to drop a 400 pounds giant chainsaw to you just so that you can use it to grind down one problematic enemy into a pulp then discard it a foot away from you. What power source would suit such a weapon with only 1 instant use before breaking itself apart?
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This whole concept seems unwise to me. 400lbs is crazy amount of weight to wield, which assume the chainsaw survives landing, and it lands near you. Range is way too close to have a problematic enemy for my comfort. Instead how about 100lbs or so of frag grenades or similar you can use from a safe distance. Range, damages, easy to use, and multiples can be deployed to same target easily.
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@cybernard The whole concept is batshit insane. It's obviously intended for a fictional universe driven by the rule of cool and not by rationality.
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@Philipp there is rule of cool and there's stuff that breaks the suspension of disbelief. I do believe that with chainsaw planes, any hope for realism goes right out the window... which doesn't necessarily make the resulting fiction bad, but it does make the need for defined inner workings quite a bit less necessary.
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In a universe where coolness trumps sanity when it comes to conflict, chainsaw planes make perfect sense. As do superhero landings (They’re hell on the knees), giant floating air fortresses and flashy uniforms with the underpants on the outside. Basically this is the kind of thing any superhero film could benefit from.
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I initially read this as the jet dropping the chainsaw directly on the enemy, which is also awesome.
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This whole concept seems unwise to me. 400lbs is crazy amount of weight to wield, which assume the chainsaw survives landing, and it lands near you. Range is way too close to have a problematic enemy for my comfort. Instead how about 100lbs or so of frag grenades or similar you can use from a safe distance. Range, damages, easy to use, and multiples can be deployed to same target easily.
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@cybernard The whole concept is batshit insane. It's obviously intended for a fictional universe driven by the rule of cool and not by rationality.
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– Philipp
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@Philipp there is rule of cool and there's stuff that breaks the suspension of disbelief. I do believe that with chainsaw planes, any hope for realism goes right out the window... which doesn't necessarily make the resulting fiction bad, but it does make the need for defined inner workings quite a bit less necessary.
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In a universe where coolness trumps sanity when it comes to conflict, chainsaw planes make perfect sense. As do superhero landings (They’re hell on the knees), giant floating air fortresses and flashy uniforms with the underpants on the outside. Basically this is the kind of thing any superhero film could benefit from.
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I initially read this as the jet dropping the chainsaw directly on the enemy, which is also awesome.
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– TKK
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This whole concept seems unwise to me. 400lbs is crazy amount of weight to wield, which assume the chainsaw survives landing, and it lands near you. Range is way too close to have a problematic enemy for my comfort. Instead how about 100lbs or so of frag grenades or similar you can use from a safe distance. Range, damages, easy to use, and multiples can be deployed to same target easily.
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– cybernard
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This whole concept seems unwise to me. 400lbs is crazy amount of weight to wield, which assume the chainsaw survives landing, and it lands near you. Range is way too close to have a problematic enemy for my comfort. Instead how about 100lbs or so of frag grenades or similar you can use from a safe distance. Range, damages, easy to use, and multiples can be deployed to same target easily.
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@cybernard The whole concept is batshit insane. It's obviously intended for a fictional universe driven by the rule of cool and not by rationality.
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– Philipp
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@cybernard The whole concept is batshit insane. It's obviously intended for a fictional universe driven by the rule of cool and not by rationality.
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@Philipp there is rule of cool and there's stuff that breaks the suspension of disbelief. I do believe that with chainsaw planes, any hope for realism goes right out the window... which doesn't necessarily make the resulting fiction bad, but it does make the need for defined inner workings quite a bit less necessary.
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– John Dvorak
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@Philipp there is rule of cool and there's stuff that breaks the suspension of disbelief. I do believe that with chainsaw planes, any hope for realism goes right out the window... which doesn't necessarily make the resulting fiction bad, but it does make the need for defined inner workings quite a bit less necessary.
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In a universe where coolness trumps sanity when it comes to conflict, chainsaw planes make perfect sense. As do superhero landings (They’re hell on the knees), giant floating air fortresses and flashy uniforms with the underpants on the outside. Basically this is the kind of thing any superhero film could benefit from.
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– Joe Bloggs
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In a universe where coolness trumps sanity when it comes to conflict, chainsaw planes make perfect sense. As do superhero landings (They’re hell on the knees), giant floating air fortresses and flashy uniforms with the underpants on the outside. Basically this is the kind of thing any superhero film could benefit from.
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I initially read this as the jet dropping the chainsaw directly on the enemy, which is also awesome.
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– TKK
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I initially read this as the jet dropping the chainsaw directly on the enemy, which is also awesome.
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Giant coiled spring.
It would uncoil itself and drive the chain. It would provide loads of power on demand. Storing that kind of energy as a coiled spring is dangerous, but I see that as a positive thing for your scenario.
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+1 for being rechargeable
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– Trevor D
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I'd go with this. See also Bacigalupi's WIndup Girl series -- with genetically designed organic springs as energy sources.
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I like this. It's not very realistic, but it sure as heck is cool..
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– John Dvorak
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@JohnDvorak Ah yes, the quest for a realistic power source for a single use jet-delivered chainsaw.
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Spring tension can hold the drive train together as well. When the spring looses tension it could literally fall apart as the question suggests. If you've ever taken apart a tape measure and had a part slip out of your hands you'll get what I'm talking about.
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Capacitors. These are electric components which store an electric charge for a limited amount of time and can release it very rapidly. They are relatively cheap and easy to manufacture. They are also reusable, but that doesn't matter in this case.
Capacitors can be manufactured in many different ways depending on their desired characteristics. But in general they have a lower energy density than chemical power cells, but they can release their stored energy a lot faster.
Capacitors are usually not designed to hold a charge for longer than a couple hours, so the capacitors either need to be charged before the mission or during the mission from the fighter's internal power supply.
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"... usually not designed to hold a charge..." ?? Depends drastically on the application. Whatever you do, never touch the flyback capacitor on a CRT without shorting it first. They hold significant voltage for years.
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@CarlWitthoft, years is a bit of an exaggeration. The self discharge rate of capacitors (as in no bleeder resistors) is still in the range of days. Supercapacitors have a lower self discharge rate but is still not remotely in the realm of years. Though, I'm always happy to be wrong, I did some quick checking but maybe I missed some edge case where that's true.
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Capacitor 'hold time' depends on design and materials used. While they'll slowly leak it is well within the realm of possibility to design such a capacitor that could be charged on loading of the weapon and last for a 6-12 hour mission with useful load. Also keep in mind that 'discharged' doesn't always mean 'empty' - Very large caps can still hold enough to give you a solid kick years later, even if they're well below 'useful' levels that it was intended to be used at. In short: Don't lick caps.
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I updated the answer in light of the recent comments.
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@NathanHinchey, almost all capacitors that 'hold a charge' years later have actually self-charged, just a little bit. Industrial capacitors have to be stored with the terminals shorted out or they can hurt the next person who goes to touch them. There's no useful power really, but they can get to a couple of percent of their voltage rating if you leave them alone.
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Pyrotechnics, in the form of twin spinning rockets rotating the saw axle. You have jet fighters, missiles would look like an obvious option. And as a bonus, a faulty device would explode throwing shrapnel into the enemy.
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I would go for a pneumatic solution. It can support easily a 40 pound high pressure container storing sufficient energy for 15 seconds.
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Also consider the giant farting sound on, ahem, discharge. Use methane as the gas, and then light the exhaust, and use the flame jets. IDK how, but use them.
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– Neal
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@Neal simple: what's better than a chainsaw at maiming your enemy? The MurderCo Rocket-Propelled Chainsaw (patents pending)! Why use measly human (or whatever other species) appendages to thrust your chainsaw into your enemy when our patented diverters use the combustion exhaust to launch it at your enemy? Warning, adult supervision required, MurderCo is not responsible for loss of limbs or life, property damage, or damages caused by Acts of Stupid (which includes all actions taken using the MurderCo RPC).
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A flatulentic turbocharged curled discharge. Are we still talking about Taco Bell?
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As an alternative to coiled spring you can have your own gyro core (or flywheel).
Make a small and dense wheel to rotate very fast on pins in your chainsaw, virtually without energy loss, and then give it all away to chain blades. After it is discharged it becomes a useless piece of metal without any electronics or stuff. It is also much safer to operate than coiled spring.
If anything it will also stabilize delivery of this chainsaw.
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Trying to manoeuvre such a weapon would be nigh on impossible if you used it to store any appreciable energy, surely?
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– Joe Bloggs
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You could put your gyro core into gyro stabilizer, which will let you handle such weapon. Or maybe it's not even necessary given the question details.
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Probably storing the spun up weapons in opposite-spun pairs always would compensate some unwanted effect AND stabilize your aircraft?
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Just use counter-rotating gyros.
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Launching from a plane, that chainsaw is going to waste a lot of nice gravitational energy, which could be used for much more interesting tasks, such as providing motion to the chainsaw itself.
So, the chainsaw itself is tethered to the plane with a very long roller chain, which is connected to a pinion inside the chainsaw (think of a Beyblade launcher).
When launched from the plane, the chainsaw falls, so that the roller chain makes the pinion start rotating. The pinion will then transmit the motion to the chainsaw, so that it will rotate at full speed when touching ground!
Alternatively, a parachute could open and hold a reel with the roller chain tethered to the chainsaw, which is still falling relative to the parachute.
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basically a flywheel, charged by gravity
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– ChuckCottrill
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This could cause the chainsaw to fall more slowly, as some of it's gravitational energy is being co-opted to spin it. How about letting the chainsaw fall with a slack roller chain, then when the person catches it, the roller chain, which is still attached to the jet, gets yanked away by the jet, starting the chainsaw. Like a combination of launching a beyblade and using a string attached to your dog's collar to yank a loose tooth out.
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Well if you only need it very briefly I'd recommend a power cell.
Where batteries provide a slow trickle of stored energy over time,power cells can dump all of their energy in an instant. So that chainsaw purpose built to be disposable but very deadly could literally be torn apart from the energy it exerts in its short period of activity.
Also this means that being disposable the chainsaw would be made of cheaper materials. Since the power cell never needs to be replaced as it is a one-off use it can be made non-rechargeable and self-destructing. Not in the way it blows up when used, but it burns out the internal storage from the incredible heat and shock of the energy release.
All in all, the chainsaws shall exist. And they shall be terrifying. Maybe just make the edge out of carbon nano-tubes? Nano-tubes can also be used to store energy within their mass much like batteries or power cells. So you could literally make the chainsaw one giant power cell made of an extremely energy dense but light material that at 400 lbs would have enough power to immolate an elephant entirely most likely.
Your chainsaw would have the power of a bomb, all put towards a few glorious seconds to a minute at most of incredibly destructive power as the blade super heats and the chainsaw loses cohesion as the power which simultaneously kept it together suddenly runs out.
I hope this helps.
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Aren't batteries and power cells the same thing? A battery is a group of several cells linked together. If you cut open something like an AA battery, you will find button cells inside of it. Even car batteries are made up of several different cells.
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@LiamMorris In fact, it may even be the opposite: each power gives you some power, so you want as many as possible to have the highest possible power (but for the shortest time)
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Maybe use super capacitors. They can deliver huge amount of power in short time.
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@jnovacho Good idea. I will write an answer based on this.
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– Philipp
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That moment where tired me put power cell instead of fuel cell. -.- I am talking about fuel cells made using carbon nano-tubes.
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While the question does not explicitly specify this, I think it is reasonable to specify some, er, specifications.
Extreme energy density. The goal of this weapon seems to be to deliver as much destruction as possible in 15 seconds, in a 400lb package which is probably the weight limit for the weapon stores on the jet. It is desirable that the majority of this 400lb is gnawing teeth of mushy annihilation, and only a small part is fuel and power source.
Extreme reliability. If a air-dropped 400lb giant disposable chainsaw seems like the best way out of a situation, you are probably in deep, deep trouble. You don't want to be yanking a starter cord on a dodgy two-stroke while the Tentacles of Kaza'An the Soul Destroyer of Mag-Uhn squeeze the life out of your fellow unlucky party members. You shouldn't have to carefully lubricate the moving parts of your jammed chainsaw while the Teeth of Brig-Wrath the Extirpator of Zw'n-Thragg dismember your group members. You want to have instant destruction available the moment you receive the weapon. You might even want to be able to use the device on Frizhger the Mauling Shark-Fish, submerged in the Sea of Despair.
Obviously, air-breathing engines are no good, what with the underwater Mauling Shark-Fish (also, the torrential rains on Zw'n-Thragg!). Electrics are really not great either - they require careful isolation from the environment, and frankly, the energy density of batteries are quite terrible - you don't want to run out of power halfway one of Kaza'An's Tentacles.
The obvious solution is a hydrazine turbine engine. Hydrazine is an extremely reactive fuel, that does not need an external source of oxygen. It is used as a rocket fuel (where energy density is key). A turbine engine probably has the highest power-to-weight ratio of any rotating engine, and furthermore it only has a single moving part, which can be connected with a single reduction gear to the saw chain. The reaction products of running hydrazine over a catalyst such as iridium are extremely hot nitrogen and hydrogen gas, the latter of which can also combust once it does come into contact with the outside air.
The end result is a screeching whining chainsaw of death spitting blue flames from its exhaust. Chances are the extirpation days of Brig-Wrath are soon over.
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I like your logic, but why bother with the complexity of a turbine and reduction gearing when you could put hydrazine rockets on the chain itself
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@Robin I considered that but half of the rockets will be facing the chainsaw operators. An alternative is to have a rocket pointing directly at the chain but in these case the chain needs to be a compromise between gnawy teethiness and power transfer. All in all I liked the turbine option best.
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+1 for pointing out the kinds of circumstances required for this kind of weapon and delivery system to even be considered.
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@Perkins Circumstances such as, but not limited to, the examples listed above. :)
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Googling "battery in missiles" led me to the page of a company manufacturing and selling such solutions.
I am guessing your solution would be "thermal battery". I do not think they are selling a solution just for you but the duration and power can be tailored to application. Also, such batteries are used by military using similar "mil-tech" would probably fit the back story.
Also such batteries are single use, durable, reliable and have long shelf life.
Some of the other battery chemistries they offer might work better for you, so you might want to check them out. They might be rechargeable though.
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Also known as "molten salt battery"
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The parameters of the problem are:
- Single-use ordnance
- Power-to-weight is a significant constraint
- Brief duration of discharge
- Cheap-ish (we're talking about a disposable giant chainsaw here)
So you're probably looking at a chemical energy source that needs to be converted to mechanical energy. That rules out any high-explosive, and anyway, explosives expend much of their energy in brisance.
Fuels like Otto II driving a turbine are one possibility, if you'd like the system to be self-contained (i.e. not subject the user to exhaust fumes). If that is not a serious consideration (e.g. you are okay with a fire-belching disposable giant chainsaw), then the parameters of the problem closely resemble the energy requirements of a rocket.
I'm partial to a powderized-aluminum + ammonium nitrate mixture, myself.
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Well possibly the easiest power source to use would be a battery, you can accurately determine how much ‘life’ it could give to a piece of electronics by setting the max capacity and charging it until it is full.
Although, if your problem is just that you need to get the chainsaws down safely, i would recommend using parachutes or heavily padded drop boxes to ensure the contents were undamaged. At that point you could use whatever fuel you liked as it would not be damaged from the fall.
However, i don’t think you’d want to use chainsaws, especially ones that heavy, as weapons. They are not particularly effective, are slow and 400 pounds is about the weight of two humans. At that point you might as well be using a giant maul instead. Here is an answer where i explained the issues with chainsaw weapons. There is also a link to a youtube video in my answer which demonstrates my point.
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But chainsaws are FUN . Signed, Anonymous From Texas
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Since this is the sort of weapon that Coyote would be using against Roadrunner, it must be powered by the future power supply du jour.
In the 1950s that would have meant nuclear power, nowadays everything is battery powered, though some consider that the future is in hydrogen.
It very much depends on the tone of the situation you're creating.
The clean and neat nature of modern hydrogen fuel cells and batteries may not fit the context, so you might want to find some way of making it spew smoke and fire as it's powered up, that means coal or at the least diesel powered.
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I would go for a chemistry based solution. Think of current engines; they are all based on the concept of explosions. Now think of a giant explosion happening on release of the chainsaw. It would create enough pressure to power the chainsaw for quite some time.
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Expanding on Willk's answer here:
You have a "lander" and a chainsaw. The chainsaw is spring-powered. The lander has multiple rotors, say 3, that both break the fall and charge spring. It would basically look like a quadrocopter with a chainsaw at the bottom falling down.
A ratchet prevents the spring from discharging. A trigger mechanism in the chainsaw releases the ratchet and directs its power from the rotor coupling to the saw's chain - the chainsaw is running, purely from the energy from the fall.
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Dual liquid explosive, the force would trash the mechanism but its a one use weapon.
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These are normally called binary explosives, just for reference.
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Coffman (shotgun) starter
The Coffman starter uses a propellant fit in a shotgun shell, with the standard shotgun primer (blasting cap). It generates up to 15 seconds of pneumatic force to start large aviation and tractor engines.
Famously used on the movie Flight of the Phoenix (both versions).
Adjust size for energy need, but it's just the right energy density, weight and burn rate for the job.
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Giant coiled spring.
It would uncoil itself and drive the chain. It would provide loads of power on demand. Storing that kind of energy as a coiled spring is dangerous, but I see that as a positive thing for your scenario.
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+1 for being rechargeable
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– Trevor D
yesterday
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I'd go with this. See also Bacigalupi's WIndup Girl series -- with genetically designed organic springs as energy sources.
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– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
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I like this. It's not very realistic, but it sure as heck is cool..
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– John Dvorak
yesterday
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@JohnDvorak Ah yes, the quest for a realistic power source for a single use jet-delivered chainsaw.
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– corsiKa
yesterday
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Spring tension can hold the drive train together as well. When the spring looses tension it could literally fall apart as the question suggests. If you've ever taken apart a tape measure and had a part slip out of your hands you'll get what I'm talking about.
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– JPhi1618
yesterday
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Giant coiled spring.
It would uncoil itself and drive the chain. It would provide loads of power on demand. Storing that kind of energy as a coiled spring is dangerous, but I see that as a positive thing for your scenario.
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+1 for being rechargeable
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– Trevor D
yesterday
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I'd go with this. See also Bacigalupi's WIndup Girl series -- with genetically designed organic springs as energy sources.
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– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
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I like this. It's not very realistic, but it sure as heck is cool..
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– John Dvorak
yesterday
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@JohnDvorak Ah yes, the quest for a realistic power source for a single use jet-delivered chainsaw.
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– corsiKa
yesterday
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Spring tension can hold the drive train together as well. When the spring looses tension it could literally fall apart as the question suggests. If you've ever taken apart a tape measure and had a part slip out of your hands you'll get what I'm talking about.
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– JPhi1618
yesterday
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Giant coiled spring.
It would uncoil itself and drive the chain. It would provide loads of power on demand. Storing that kind of energy as a coiled spring is dangerous, but I see that as a positive thing for your scenario.
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Giant coiled spring.
It would uncoil itself and drive the chain. It would provide loads of power on demand. Storing that kind of energy as a coiled spring is dangerous, but I see that as a positive thing for your scenario.
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+1 for being rechargeable
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– Trevor D
yesterday
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I'd go with this. See also Bacigalupi's WIndup Girl series -- with genetically designed organic springs as energy sources.
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– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
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I like this. It's not very realistic, but it sure as heck is cool..
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– John Dvorak
yesterday
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@JohnDvorak Ah yes, the quest for a realistic power source for a single use jet-delivered chainsaw.
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– corsiKa
yesterday
7
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Spring tension can hold the drive train together as well. When the spring looses tension it could literally fall apart as the question suggests. If you've ever taken apart a tape measure and had a part slip out of your hands you'll get what I'm talking about.
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– JPhi1618
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+1 for being rechargeable
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– Trevor D
yesterday
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I'd go with this. See also Bacigalupi's WIndup Girl series -- with genetically designed organic springs as energy sources.
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– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
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I like this. It's not very realistic, but it sure as heck is cool..
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– John Dvorak
yesterday
13
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@JohnDvorak Ah yes, the quest for a realistic power source for a single use jet-delivered chainsaw.
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– corsiKa
yesterday
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Spring tension can hold the drive train together as well. When the spring looses tension it could literally fall apart as the question suggests. If you've ever taken apart a tape measure and had a part slip out of your hands you'll get what I'm talking about.
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– JPhi1618
yesterday
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+1 for being rechargeable
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– Trevor D
yesterday
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+1 for being rechargeable
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– Trevor D
yesterday
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I'd go with this. See also Bacigalupi's WIndup Girl series -- with genetically designed organic springs as energy sources.
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– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
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I'd go with this. See also Bacigalupi's WIndup Girl series -- with genetically designed organic springs as energy sources.
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– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
3
3
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I like this. It's not very realistic, but it sure as heck is cool..
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– John Dvorak
yesterday
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I like this. It's not very realistic, but it sure as heck is cool..
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– John Dvorak
yesterday
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@JohnDvorak Ah yes, the quest for a realistic power source for a single use jet-delivered chainsaw.
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– corsiKa
yesterday
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@JohnDvorak Ah yes, the quest for a realistic power source for a single use jet-delivered chainsaw.
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– corsiKa
yesterday
7
7
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Spring tension can hold the drive train together as well. When the spring looses tension it could literally fall apart as the question suggests. If you've ever taken apart a tape measure and had a part slip out of your hands you'll get what I'm talking about.
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– JPhi1618
yesterday
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Spring tension can hold the drive train together as well. When the spring looses tension it could literally fall apart as the question suggests. If you've ever taken apart a tape measure and had a part slip out of your hands you'll get what I'm talking about.
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– JPhi1618
yesterday
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Capacitors. These are electric components which store an electric charge for a limited amount of time and can release it very rapidly. They are relatively cheap and easy to manufacture. They are also reusable, but that doesn't matter in this case.
Capacitors can be manufactured in many different ways depending on their desired characteristics. But in general they have a lower energy density than chemical power cells, but they can release their stored energy a lot faster.
Capacitors are usually not designed to hold a charge for longer than a couple hours, so the capacitors either need to be charged before the mission or during the mission from the fighter's internal power supply.
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"... usually not designed to hold a charge..." ?? Depends drastically on the application. Whatever you do, never touch the flyback capacitor on a CRT without shorting it first. They hold significant voltage for years.
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– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
2
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@CarlWitthoft, years is a bit of an exaggeration. The self discharge rate of capacitors (as in no bleeder resistors) is still in the range of days. Supercapacitors have a lower self discharge rate but is still not remotely in the realm of years. Though, I'm always happy to be wrong, I did some quick checking but maybe I missed some edge case where that's true.
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– Jarrod Christman
yesterday
7
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Capacitor 'hold time' depends on design and materials used. While they'll slowly leak it is well within the realm of possibility to design such a capacitor that could be charged on loading of the weapon and last for a 6-12 hour mission with useful load. Also keep in mind that 'discharged' doesn't always mean 'empty' - Very large caps can still hold enough to give you a solid kick years later, even if they're well below 'useful' levels that it was intended to be used at. In short: Don't lick caps.
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– TheLuckless
yesterday
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I updated the answer in light of the recent comments.
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– Philipp
yesterday
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@NathanHinchey, almost all capacitors that 'hold a charge' years later have actually self-charged, just a little bit. Industrial capacitors have to be stored with the terminals shorted out or they can hurt the next person who goes to touch them. There's no useful power really, but they can get to a couple of percent of their voltage rating if you leave them alone.
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– Sean Boddy
15 hours ago
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Capacitors. These are electric components which store an electric charge for a limited amount of time and can release it very rapidly. They are relatively cheap and easy to manufacture. They are also reusable, but that doesn't matter in this case.
Capacitors can be manufactured in many different ways depending on their desired characteristics. But in general they have a lower energy density than chemical power cells, but they can release their stored energy a lot faster.
Capacitors are usually not designed to hold a charge for longer than a couple hours, so the capacitors either need to be charged before the mission or during the mission from the fighter's internal power supply.
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"... usually not designed to hold a charge..." ?? Depends drastically on the application. Whatever you do, never touch the flyback capacitor on a CRT without shorting it first. They hold significant voltage for years.
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– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
2
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@CarlWitthoft, years is a bit of an exaggeration. The self discharge rate of capacitors (as in no bleeder resistors) is still in the range of days. Supercapacitors have a lower self discharge rate but is still not remotely in the realm of years. Though, I'm always happy to be wrong, I did some quick checking but maybe I missed some edge case where that's true.
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– Jarrod Christman
yesterday
7
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Capacitor 'hold time' depends on design and materials used. While they'll slowly leak it is well within the realm of possibility to design such a capacitor that could be charged on loading of the weapon and last for a 6-12 hour mission with useful load. Also keep in mind that 'discharged' doesn't always mean 'empty' - Very large caps can still hold enough to give you a solid kick years later, even if they're well below 'useful' levels that it was intended to be used at. In short: Don't lick caps.
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– TheLuckless
yesterday
1
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I updated the answer in light of the recent comments.
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– Philipp
yesterday
1
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@NathanHinchey, almost all capacitors that 'hold a charge' years later have actually self-charged, just a little bit. Industrial capacitors have to be stored with the terminals shorted out or they can hurt the next person who goes to touch them. There's no useful power really, but they can get to a couple of percent of their voltage rating if you leave them alone.
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– Sean Boddy
15 hours ago
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$begingroup$
Capacitors. These are electric components which store an electric charge for a limited amount of time and can release it very rapidly. They are relatively cheap and easy to manufacture. They are also reusable, but that doesn't matter in this case.
Capacitors can be manufactured in many different ways depending on their desired characteristics. But in general they have a lower energy density than chemical power cells, but they can release their stored energy a lot faster.
Capacitors are usually not designed to hold a charge for longer than a couple hours, so the capacitors either need to be charged before the mission or during the mission from the fighter's internal power supply.
$endgroup$
Capacitors. These are electric components which store an electric charge for a limited amount of time and can release it very rapidly. They are relatively cheap and easy to manufacture. They are also reusable, but that doesn't matter in this case.
Capacitors can be manufactured in many different ways depending on their desired characteristics. But in general they have a lower energy density than chemical power cells, but they can release their stored energy a lot faster.
Capacitors are usually not designed to hold a charge for longer than a couple hours, so the capacitors either need to be charged before the mission or during the mission from the fighter's internal power supply.
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PhilippPhilipp
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"... usually not designed to hold a charge..." ?? Depends drastically on the application. Whatever you do, never touch the flyback capacitor on a CRT without shorting it first. They hold significant voltage for years.
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– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
2
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@CarlWitthoft, years is a bit of an exaggeration. The self discharge rate of capacitors (as in no bleeder resistors) is still in the range of days. Supercapacitors have a lower self discharge rate but is still not remotely in the realm of years. Though, I'm always happy to be wrong, I did some quick checking but maybe I missed some edge case where that's true.
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– Jarrod Christman
yesterday
7
$begingroup$
Capacitor 'hold time' depends on design and materials used. While they'll slowly leak it is well within the realm of possibility to design such a capacitor that could be charged on loading of the weapon and last for a 6-12 hour mission with useful load. Also keep in mind that 'discharged' doesn't always mean 'empty' - Very large caps can still hold enough to give you a solid kick years later, even if they're well below 'useful' levels that it was intended to be used at. In short: Don't lick caps.
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– TheLuckless
yesterday
1
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I updated the answer in light of the recent comments.
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– Philipp
yesterday
1
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@NathanHinchey, almost all capacitors that 'hold a charge' years later have actually self-charged, just a little bit. Industrial capacitors have to be stored with the terminals shorted out or they can hurt the next person who goes to touch them. There's no useful power really, but they can get to a couple of percent of their voltage rating if you leave them alone.
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– Sean Boddy
15 hours ago
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"... usually not designed to hold a charge..." ?? Depends drastically on the application. Whatever you do, never touch the flyback capacitor on a CRT without shorting it first. They hold significant voltage for years.
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– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
2
$begingroup$
@CarlWitthoft, years is a bit of an exaggeration. The self discharge rate of capacitors (as in no bleeder resistors) is still in the range of days. Supercapacitors have a lower self discharge rate but is still not remotely in the realm of years. Though, I'm always happy to be wrong, I did some quick checking but maybe I missed some edge case where that's true.
$endgroup$
– Jarrod Christman
yesterday
7
$begingroup$
Capacitor 'hold time' depends on design and materials used. While they'll slowly leak it is well within the realm of possibility to design such a capacitor that could be charged on loading of the weapon and last for a 6-12 hour mission with useful load. Also keep in mind that 'discharged' doesn't always mean 'empty' - Very large caps can still hold enough to give you a solid kick years later, even if they're well below 'useful' levels that it was intended to be used at. In short: Don't lick caps.
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– TheLuckless
yesterday
1
$begingroup$
I updated the answer in light of the recent comments.
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– Philipp
yesterday
1
$begingroup$
@NathanHinchey, almost all capacitors that 'hold a charge' years later have actually self-charged, just a little bit. Industrial capacitors have to be stored with the terminals shorted out or they can hurt the next person who goes to touch them. There's no useful power really, but they can get to a couple of percent of their voltage rating if you leave them alone.
$endgroup$
– Sean Boddy
15 hours ago
4
4
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"... usually not designed to hold a charge..." ?? Depends drastically on the application. Whatever you do, never touch the flyback capacitor on a CRT without shorting it first. They hold significant voltage for years.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
$begingroup$
"... usually not designed to hold a charge..." ?? Depends drastically on the application. Whatever you do, never touch the flyback capacitor on a CRT without shorting it first. They hold significant voltage for years.
$endgroup$
– Carl Witthoft
yesterday
2
2
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@CarlWitthoft, years is a bit of an exaggeration. The self discharge rate of capacitors (as in no bleeder resistors) is still in the range of days. Supercapacitors have a lower self discharge rate but is still not remotely in the realm of years. Though, I'm always happy to be wrong, I did some quick checking but maybe I missed some edge case where that's true.
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– Jarrod Christman
yesterday
$begingroup$
@CarlWitthoft, years is a bit of an exaggeration. The self discharge rate of capacitors (as in no bleeder resistors) is still in the range of days. Supercapacitors have a lower self discharge rate but is still not remotely in the realm of years. Though, I'm always happy to be wrong, I did some quick checking but maybe I missed some edge case where that's true.
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– Jarrod Christman
yesterday
7
7
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Capacitor 'hold time' depends on design and materials used. While they'll slowly leak it is well within the realm of possibility to design such a capacitor that could be charged on loading of the weapon and last for a 6-12 hour mission with useful load. Also keep in mind that 'discharged' doesn't always mean 'empty' - Very large caps can still hold enough to give you a solid kick years later, even if they're well below 'useful' levels that it was intended to be used at. In short: Don't lick caps.
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– TheLuckless
yesterday
$begingroup$
Capacitor 'hold time' depends on design and materials used. While they'll slowly leak it is well within the realm of possibility to design such a capacitor that could be charged on loading of the weapon and last for a 6-12 hour mission with useful load. Also keep in mind that 'discharged' doesn't always mean 'empty' - Very large caps can still hold enough to give you a solid kick years later, even if they're well below 'useful' levels that it was intended to be used at. In short: Don't lick caps.
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– TheLuckless
yesterday
1
1
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I updated the answer in light of the recent comments.
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– Philipp
yesterday
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I updated the answer in light of the recent comments.
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– Philipp
yesterday
1
1
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@NathanHinchey, almost all capacitors that 'hold a charge' years later have actually self-charged, just a little bit. Industrial capacitors have to be stored with the terminals shorted out or they can hurt the next person who goes to touch them. There's no useful power really, but they can get to a couple of percent of their voltage rating if you leave them alone.
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– Sean Boddy
15 hours ago
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@NathanHinchey, almost all capacitors that 'hold a charge' years later have actually self-charged, just a little bit. Industrial capacitors have to be stored with the terminals shorted out or they can hurt the next person who goes to touch them. There's no useful power really, but they can get to a couple of percent of their voltage rating if you leave them alone.
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Pyrotechnics, in the form of twin spinning rockets rotating the saw axle. You have jet fighters, missiles would look like an obvious option. And as a bonus, a faulty device would explode throwing shrapnel into the enemy.
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Pyrotechnics, in the form of twin spinning rockets rotating the saw axle. You have jet fighters, missiles would look like an obvious option. And as a bonus, a faulty device would explode throwing shrapnel into the enemy.
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Pyrotechnics, in the form of twin spinning rockets rotating the saw axle. You have jet fighters, missiles would look like an obvious option. And as a bonus, a faulty device would explode throwing shrapnel into the enemy.
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Pyrotechnics, in the form of twin spinning rockets rotating the saw axle. You have jet fighters, missiles would look like an obvious option. And as a bonus, a faulty device would explode throwing shrapnel into the enemy.
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I would go for a pneumatic solution. It can support easily a 40 pound high pressure container storing sufficient energy for 15 seconds.
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Also consider the giant farting sound on, ahem, discharge. Use methane as the gas, and then light the exhaust, and use the flame jets. IDK how, but use them.
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– Neal
yesterday
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@Neal simple: what's better than a chainsaw at maiming your enemy? The MurderCo Rocket-Propelled Chainsaw (patents pending)! Why use measly human (or whatever other species) appendages to thrust your chainsaw into your enemy when our patented diverters use the combustion exhaust to launch it at your enemy? Warning, adult supervision required, MurderCo is not responsible for loss of limbs or life, property damage, or damages caused by Acts of Stupid (which includes all actions taken using the MurderCo RPC).
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– Doktor J
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A flatulentic turbocharged curled discharge. Are we still talking about Taco Bell?
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– Juha Untinen
22 hours ago
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I would go for a pneumatic solution. It can support easily a 40 pound high pressure container storing sufficient energy for 15 seconds.
New contributor
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Also consider the giant farting sound on, ahem, discharge. Use methane as the gas, and then light the exhaust, and use the flame jets. IDK how, but use them.
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– Neal
yesterday
1
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@Neal simple: what's better than a chainsaw at maiming your enemy? The MurderCo Rocket-Propelled Chainsaw (patents pending)! Why use measly human (or whatever other species) appendages to thrust your chainsaw into your enemy when our patented diverters use the combustion exhaust to launch it at your enemy? Warning, adult supervision required, MurderCo is not responsible for loss of limbs or life, property damage, or damages caused by Acts of Stupid (which includes all actions taken using the MurderCo RPC).
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– Doktor J
yesterday
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A flatulentic turbocharged curled discharge. Are we still talking about Taco Bell?
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– Juha Untinen
22 hours ago
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I would go for a pneumatic solution. It can support easily a 40 pound high pressure container storing sufficient energy for 15 seconds.
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I would go for a pneumatic solution. It can support easily a 40 pound high pressure container storing sufficient energy for 15 seconds.
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Also consider the giant farting sound on, ahem, discharge. Use methane as the gas, and then light the exhaust, and use the flame jets. IDK how, but use them.
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– Neal
yesterday
1
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@Neal simple: what's better than a chainsaw at maiming your enemy? The MurderCo Rocket-Propelled Chainsaw (patents pending)! Why use measly human (or whatever other species) appendages to thrust your chainsaw into your enemy when our patented diverters use the combustion exhaust to launch it at your enemy? Warning, adult supervision required, MurderCo is not responsible for loss of limbs or life, property damage, or damages caused by Acts of Stupid (which includes all actions taken using the MurderCo RPC).
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– Doktor J
yesterday
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A flatulentic turbocharged curled discharge. Are we still talking about Taco Bell?
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– Juha Untinen
22 hours ago
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Also consider the giant farting sound on, ahem, discharge. Use methane as the gas, and then light the exhaust, and use the flame jets. IDK how, but use them.
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– Neal
yesterday
1
$begingroup$
@Neal simple: what's better than a chainsaw at maiming your enemy? The MurderCo Rocket-Propelled Chainsaw (patents pending)! Why use measly human (or whatever other species) appendages to thrust your chainsaw into your enemy when our patented diverters use the combustion exhaust to launch it at your enemy? Warning, adult supervision required, MurderCo is not responsible for loss of limbs or life, property damage, or damages caused by Acts of Stupid (which includes all actions taken using the MurderCo RPC).
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– Doktor J
yesterday
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A flatulentic turbocharged curled discharge. Are we still talking about Taco Bell?
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– Juha Untinen
22 hours ago
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Also consider the giant farting sound on, ahem, discharge. Use methane as the gas, and then light the exhaust, and use the flame jets. IDK how, but use them.
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– Neal
yesterday
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Also consider the giant farting sound on, ahem, discharge. Use methane as the gas, and then light the exhaust, and use the flame jets. IDK how, but use them.
$endgroup$
– Neal
yesterday
1
1
$begingroup$
@Neal simple: what's better than a chainsaw at maiming your enemy? The MurderCo Rocket-Propelled Chainsaw (patents pending)! Why use measly human (or whatever other species) appendages to thrust your chainsaw into your enemy when our patented diverters use the combustion exhaust to launch it at your enemy? Warning, adult supervision required, MurderCo is not responsible for loss of limbs or life, property damage, or damages caused by Acts of Stupid (which includes all actions taken using the MurderCo RPC).
$endgroup$
– Doktor J
yesterday
$begingroup$
@Neal simple: what's better than a chainsaw at maiming your enemy? The MurderCo Rocket-Propelled Chainsaw (patents pending)! Why use measly human (or whatever other species) appendages to thrust your chainsaw into your enemy when our patented diverters use the combustion exhaust to launch it at your enemy? Warning, adult supervision required, MurderCo is not responsible for loss of limbs or life, property damage, or damages caused by Acts of Stupid (which includes all actions taken using the MurderCo RPC).
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– Doktor J
yesterday
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A flatulentic turbocharged curled discharge. Are we still talking about Taco Bell?
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– Juha Untinen
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A flatulentic turbocharged curled discharge. Are we still talking about Taco Bell?
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As an alternative to coiled spring you can have your own gyro core (or flywheel).
Make a small and dense wheel to rotate very fast on pins in your chainsaw, virtually without energy loss, and then give it all away to chain blades. After it is discharged it becomes a useless piece of metal without any electronics or stuff. It is also much safer to operate than coiled spring.
If anything it will also stabilize delivery of this chainsaw.
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Trying to manoeuvre such a weapon would be nigh on impossible if you used it to store any appreciable energy, surely?
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– Joe Bloggs
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You could put your gyro core into gyro stabilizer, which will let you handle such weapon. Or maybe it's not even necessary given the question details.
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– alamar
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Probably storing the spun up weapons in opposite-spun pairs always would compensate some unwanted effect AND stabilize your aircraft?
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– rackandboneman
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Just use counter-rotating gyros.
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– RBarryYoung
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As an alternative to coiled spring you can have your own gyro core (or flywheel).
Make a small and dense wheel to rotate very fast on pins in your chainsaw, virtually without energy loss, and then give it all away to chain blades. After it is discharged it becomes a useless piece of metal without any electronics or stuff. It is also much safer to operate than coiled spring.
If anything it will also stabilize delivery of this chainsaw.
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Trying to manoeuvre such a weapon would be nigh on impossible if you used it to store any appreciable energy, surely?
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– Joe Bloggs
yesterday
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You could put your gyro core into gyro stabilizer, which will let you handle such weapon. Or maybe it's not even necessary given the question details.
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– alamar
yesterday
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Probably storing the spun up weapons in opposite-spun pairs always would compensate some unwanted effect AND stabilize your aircraft?
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– rackandboneman
yesterday
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Just use counter-rotating gyros.
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– RBarryYoung
yesterday
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As an alternative to coiled spring you can have your own gyro core (or flywheel).
Make a small and dense wheel to rotate very fast on pins in your chainsaw, virtually without energy loss, and then give it all away to chain blades. After it is discharged it becomes a useless piece of metal without any electronics or stuff. It is also much safer to operate than coiled spring.
If anything it will also stabilize delivery of this chainsaw.
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As an alternative to coiled spring you can have your own gyro core (or flywheel).
Make a small and dense wheel to rotate very fast on pins in your chainsaw, virtually without energy loss, and then give it all away to chain blades. After it is discharged it becomes a useless piece of metal without any electronics or stuff. It is also much safer to operate than coiled spring.
If anything it will also stabilize delivery of this chainsaw.
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Trying to manoeuvre such a weapon would be nigh on impossible if you used it to store any appreciable energy, surely?
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– Joe Bloggs
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You could put your gyro core into gyro stabilizer, which will let you handle such weapon. Or maybe it's not even necessary given the question details.
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– alamar
yesterday
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Probably storing the spun up weapons in opposite-spun pairs always would compensate some unwanted effect AND stabilize your aircraft?
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– rackandboneman
yesterday
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Just use counter-rotating gyros.
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– RBarryYoung
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Trying to manoeuvre such a weapon would be nigh on impossible if you used it to store any appreciable energy, surely?
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– Joe Bloggs
yesterday
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You could put your gyro core into gyro stabilizer, which will let you handle such weapon. Or maybe it's not even necessary given the question details.
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– alamar
yesterday
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Probably storing the spun up weapons in opposite-spun pairs always would compensate some unwanted effect AND stabilize your aircraft?
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– rackandboneman
yesterday
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Just use counter-rotating gyros.
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– RBarryYoung
yesterday
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Trying to manoeuvre such a weapon would be nigh on impossible if you used it to store any appreciable energy, surely?
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– Joe Bloggs
yesterday
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Trying to manoeuvre such a weapon would be nigh on impossible if you used it to store any appreciable energy, surely?
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– Joe Bloggs
yesterday
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You could put your gyro core into gyro stabilizer, which will let you handle such weapon. Or maybe it's not even necessary given the question details.
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– alamar
yesterday
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You could put your gyro core into gyro stabilizer, which will let you handle such weapon. Or maybe it's not even necessary given the question details.
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– alamar
yesterday
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Probably storing the spun up weapons in opposite-spun pairs always would compensate some unwanted effect AND stabilize your aircraft?
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– rackandboneman
yesterday
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Probably storing the spun up weapons in opposite-spun pairs always would compensate some unwanted effect AND stabilize your aircraft?
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– rackandboneman
yesterday
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Just use counter-rotating gyros.
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– RBarryYoung
yesterday
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Just use counter-rotating gyros.
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– RBarryYoung
yesterday
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Launching from a plane, that chainsaw is going to waste a lot of nice gravitational energy, which could be used for much more interesting tasks, such as providing motion to the chainsaw itself.
So, the chainsaw itself is tethered to the plane with a very long roller chain, which is connected to a pinion inside the chainsaw (think of a Beyblade launcher).
When launched from the plane, the chainsaw falls, so that the roller chain makes the pinion start rotating. The pinion will then transmit the motion to the chainsaw, so that it will rotate at full speed when touching ground!
Alternatively, a parachute could open and hold a reel with the roller chain tethered to the chainsaw, which is still falling relative to the parachute.
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basically a flywheel, charged by gravity
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– ChuckCottrill
10 hours ago
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This could cause the chainsaw to fall more slowly, as some of it's gravitational energy is being co-opted to spin it. How about letting the chainsaw fall with a slack roller chain, then when the person catches it, the roller chain, which is still attached to the jet, gets yanked away by the jet, starting the chainsaw. Like a combination of launching a beyblade and using a string attached to your dog's collar to yank a loose tooth out.
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– Jared K
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Launching from a plane, that chainsaw is going to waste a lot of nice gravitational energy, which could be used for much more interesting tasks, such as providing motion to the chainsaw itself.
So, the chainsaw itself is tethered to the plane with a very long roller chain, which is connected to a pinion inside the chainsaw (think of a Beyblade launcher).
When launched from the plane, the chainsaw falls, so that the roller chain makes the pinion start rotating. The pinion will then transmit the motion to the chainsaw, so that it will rotate at full speed when touching ground!
Alternatively, a parachute could open and hold a reel with the roller chain tethered to the chainsaw, which is still falling relative to the parachute.
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basically a flywheel, charged by gravity
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– ChuckCottrill
10 hours ago
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This could cause the chainsaw to fall more slowly, as some of it's gravitational energy is being co-opted to spin it. How about letting the chainsaw fall with a slack roller chain, then when the person catches it, the roller chain, which is still attached to the jet, gets yanked away by the jet, starting the chainsaw. Like a combination of launching a beyblade and using a string attached to your dog's collar to yank a loose tooth out.
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– Jared K
10 hours ago
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Launching from a plane, that chainsaw is going to waste a lot of nice gravitational energy, which could be used for much more interesting tasks, such as providing motion to the chainsaw itself.
So, the chainsaw itself is tethered to the plane with a very long roller chain, which is connected to a pinion inside the chainsaw (think of a Beyblade launcher).
When launched from the plane, the chainsaw falls, so that the roller chain makes the pinion start rotating. The pinion will then transmit the motion to the chainsaw, so that it will rotate at full speed when touching ground!
Alternatively, a parachute could open and hold a reel with the roller chain tethered to the chainsaw, which is still falling relative to the parachute.
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Launching from a plane, that chainsaw is going to waste a lot of nice gravitational energy, which could be used for much more interesting tasks, such as providing motion to the chainsaw itself.
So, the chainsaw itself is tethered to the plane with a very long roller chain, which is connected to a pinion inside the chainsaw (think of a Beyblade launcher).
When launched from the plane, the chainsaw falls, so that the roller chain makes the pinion start rotating. The pinion will then transmit the motion to the chainsaw, so that it will rotate at full speed when touching ground!
Alternatively, a parachute could open and hold a reel with the roller chain tethered to the chainsaw, which is still falling relative to the parachute.
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basically a flywheel, charged by gravity
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– ChuckCottrill
10 hours ago
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This could cause the chainsaw to fall more slowly, as some of it's gravitational energy is being co-opted to spin it. How about letting the chainsaw fall with a slack roller chain, then when the person catches it, the roller chain, which is still attached to the jet, gets yanked away by the jet, starting the chainsaw. Like a combination of launching a beyblade and using a string attached to your dog's collar to yank a loose tooth out.
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– Jared K
10 hours ago
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basically a flywheel, charged by gravity
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– ChuckCottrill
10 hours ago
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This could cause the chainsaw to fall more slowly, as some of it's gravitational energy is being co-opted to spin it. How about letting the chainsaw fall with a slack roller chain, then when the person catches it, the roller chain, which is still attached to the jet, gets yanked away by the jet, starting the chainsaw. Like a combination of launching a beyblade and using a string attached to your dog's collar to yank a loose tooth out.
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– Jared K
10 hours ago
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basically a flywheel, charged by gravity
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– ChuckCottrill
10 hours ago
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basically a flywheel, charged by gravity
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– ChuckCottrill
10 hours ago
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This could cause the chainsaw to fall more slowly, as some of it's gravitational energy is being co-opted to spin it. How about letting the chainsaw fall with a slack roller chain, then when the person catches it, the roller chain, which is still attached to the jet, gets yanked away by the jet, starting the chainsaw. Like a combination of launching a beyblade and using a string attached to your dog's collar to yank a loose tooth out.
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– Jared K
10 hours ago
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This could cause the chainsaw to fall more slowly, as some of it's gravitational energy is being co-opted to spin it. How about letting the chainsaw fall with a slack roller chain, then when the person catches it, the roller chain, which is still attached to the jet, gets yanked away by the jet, starting the chainsaw. Like a combination of launching a beyblade and using a string attached to your dog's collar to yank a loose tooth out.
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– Jared K
10 hours ago
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Well if you only need it very briefly I'd recommend a power cell.
Where batteries provide a slow trickle of stored energy over time,power cells can dump all of their energy in an instant. So that chainsaw purpose built to be disposable but very deadly could literally be torn apart from the energy it exerts in its short period of activity.
Also this means that being disposable the chainsaw would be made of cheaper materials. Since the power cell never needs to be replaced as it is a one-off use it can be made non-rechargeable and self-destructing. Not in the way it blows up when used, but it burns out the internal storage from the incredible heat and shock of the energy release.
All in all, the chainsaws shall exist. And they shall be terrifying. Maybe just make the edge out of carbon nano-tubes? Nano-tubes can also be used to store energy within their mass much like batteries or power cells. So you could literally make the chainsaw one giant power cell made of an extremely energy dense but light material that at 400 lbs would have enough power to immolate an elephant entirely most likely.
Your chainsaw would have the power of a bomb, all put towards a few glorious seconds to a minute at most of incredibly destructive power as the blade super heats and the chainsaw loses cohesion as the power which simultaneously kept it together suddenly runs out.
I hope this helps.
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Aren't batteries and power cells the same thing? A battery is a group of several cells linked together. If you cut open something like an AA battery, you will find button cells inside of it. Even car batteries are made up of several different cells.
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– Liam Morris
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@LiamMorris In fact, it may even be the opposite: each power gives you some power, so you want as many as possible to have the highest possible power (but for the shortest time)
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– Eth
yesterday
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Maybe use super capacitors. They can deliver huge amount of power in short time.
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– jnovacho
yesterday
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@jnovacho Good idea. I will write an answer based on this.
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– Philipp
yesterday
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That moment where tired me put power cell instead of fuel cell. -.- I am talking about fuel cells made using carbon nano-tubes.
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Well if you only need it very briefly I'd recommend a power cell.
Where batteries provide a slow trickle of stored energy over time,power cells can dump all of their energy in an instant. So that chainsaw purpose built to be disposable but very deadly could literally be torn apart from the energy it exerts in its short period of activity.
Also this means that being disposable the chainsaw would be made of cheaper materials. Since the power cell never needs to be replaced as it is a one-off use it can be made non-rechargeable and self-destructing. Not in the way it blows up when used, but it burns out the internal storage from the incredible heat and shock of the energy release.
All in all, the chainsaws shall exist. And they shall be terrifying. Maybe just make the edge out of carbon nano-tubes? Nano-tubes can also be used to store energy within their mass much like batteries or power cells. So you could literally make the chainsaw one giant power cell made of an extremely energy dense but light material that at 400 lbs would have enough power to immolate an elephant entirely most likely.
Your chainsaw would have the power of a bomb, all put towards a few glorious seconds to a minute at most of incredibly destructive power as the blade super heats and the chainsaw loses cohesion as the power which simultaneously kept it together suddenly runs out.
I hope this helps.
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Aren't batteries and power cells the same thing? A battery is a group of several cells linked together. If you cut open something like an AA battery, you will find button cells inside of it. Even car batteries are made up of several different cells.
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– Liam Morris
yesterday
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@LiamMorris In fact, it may even be the opposite: each power gives you some power, so you want as many as possible to have the highest possible power (but for the shortest time)
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– Eth
yesterday
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Maybe use super capacitors. They can deliver huge amount of power in short time.
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– jnovacho
yesterday
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@jnovacho Good idea. I will write an answer based on this.
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– Philipp
yesterday
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That moment where tired me put power cell instead of fuel cell. -.- I am talking about fuel cells made using carbon nano-tubes.
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– Jeremy Barrett
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Well if you only need it very briefly I'd recommend a power cell.
Where batteries provide a slow trickle of stored energy over time,power cells can dump all of their energy in an instant. So that chainsaw purpose built to be disposable but very deadly could literally be torn apart from the energy it exerts in its short period of activity.
Also this means that being disposable the chainsaw would be made of cheaper materials. Since the power cell never needs to be replaced as it is a one-off use it can be made non-rechargeable and self-destructing. Not in the way it blows up when used, but it burns out the internal storage from the incredible heat and shock of the energy release.
All in all, the chainsaws shall exist. And they shall be terrifying. Maybe just make the edge out of carbon nano-tubes? Nano-tubes can also be used to store energy within their mass much like batteries or power cells. So you could literally make the chainsaw one giant power cell made of an extremely energy dense but light material that at 400 lbs would have enough power to immolate an elephant entirely most likely.
Your chainsaw would have the power of a bomb, all put towards a few glorious seconds to a minute at most of incredibly destructive power as the blade super heats and the chainsaw loses cohesion as the power which simultaneously kept it together suddenly runs out.
I hope this helps.
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Well if you only need it very briefly I'd recommend a power cell.
Where batteries provide a slow trickle of stored energy over time,power cells can dump all of their energy in an instant. So that chainsaw purpose built to be disposable but very deadly could literally be torn apart from the energy it exerts in its short period of activity.
Also this means that being disposable the chainsaw would be made of cheaper materials. Since the power cell never needs to be replaced as it is a one-off use it can be made non-rechargeable and self-destructing. Not in the way it blows up when used, but it burns out the internal storage from the incredible heat and shock of the energy release.
All in all, the chainsaws shall exist. And they shall be terrifying. Maybe just make the edge out of carbon nano-tubes? Nano-tubes can also be used to store energy within their mass much like batteries or power cells. So you could literally make the chainsaw one giant power cell made of an extremely energy dense but light material that at 400 lbs would have enough power to immolate an elephant entirely most likely.
Your chainsaw would have the power of a bomb, all put towards a few glorious seconds to a minute at most of incredibly destructive power as the blade super heats and the chainsaw loses cohesion as the power which simultaneously kept it together suddenly runs out.
I hope this helps.
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Aren't batteries and power cells the same thing? A battery is a group of several cells linked together. If you cut open something like an AA battery, you will find button cells inside of it. Even car batteries are made up of several different cells.
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– Liam Morris
yesterday
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@LiamMorris In fact, it may even be the opposite: each power gives you some power, so you want as many as possible to have the highest possible power (but for the shortest time)
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– Eth
yesterday
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Maybe use super capacitors. They can deliver huge amount of power in short time.
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– jnovacho
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@jnovacho Good idea. I will write an answer based on this.
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– Philipp
yesterday
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That moment where tired me put power cell instead of fuel cell. -.- I am talking about fuel cells made using carbon nano-tubes.
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– Jeremy Barrett
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Aren't batteries and power cells the same thing? A battery is a group of several cells linked together. If you cut open something like an AA battery, you will find button cells inside of it. Even car batteries are made up of several different cells.
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– Liam Morris
yesterday
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@LiamMorris In fact, it may even be the opposite: each power gives you some power, so you want as many as possible to have the highest possible power (but for the shortest time)
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– Eth
yesterday
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Maybe use super capacitors. They can deliver huge amount of power in short time.
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– jnovacho
yesterday
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@jnovacho Good idea. I will write an answer based on this.
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– Philipp
yesterday
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That moment where tired me put power cell instead of fuel cell. -.- I am talking about fuel cells made using carbon nano-tubes.
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– Jeremy Barrett
23 hours ago
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Aren't batteries and power cells the same thing? A battery is a group of several cells linked together. If you cut open something like an AA battery, you will find button cells inside of it. Even car batteries are made up of several different cells.
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– Liam Morris
yesterday
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Aren't batteries and power cells the same thing? A battery is a group of several cells linked together. If you cut open something like an AA battery, you will find button cells inside of it. Even car batteries are made up of several different cells.
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– Liam Morris
yesterday
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@LiamMorris In fact, it may even be the opposite: each power gives you some power, so you want as many as possible to have the highest possible power (but for the shortest time)
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– Eth
yesterday
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@LiamMorris In fact, it may even be the opposite: each power gives you some power, so you want as many as possible to have the highest possible power (but for the shortest time)
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– Eth
yesterday
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Maybe use super capacitors. They can deliver huge amount of power in short time.
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– jnovacho
yesterday
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Maybe use super capacitors. They can deliver huge amount of power in short time.
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– jnovacho
yesterday
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@jnovacho Good idea. I will write an answer based on this.
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– Philipp
yesterday
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@jnovacho Good idea. I will write an answer based on this.
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– Philipp
yesterday
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That moment where tired me put power cell instead of fuel cell. -.- I am talking about fuel cells made using carbon nano-tubes.
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– Jeremy Barrett
23 hours ago
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That moment where tired me put power cell instead of fuel cell. -.- I am talking about fuel cells made using carbon nano-tubes.
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While the question does not explicitly specify this, I think it is reasonable to specify some, er, specifications.
Extreme energy density. The goal of this weapon seems to be to deliver as much destruction as possible in 15 seconds, in a 400lb package which is probably the weight limit for the weapon stores on the jet. It is desirable that the majority of this 400lb is gnawing teeth of mushy annihilation, and only a small part is fuel and power source.
Extreme reliability. If a air-dropped 400lb giant disposable chainsaw seems like the best way out of a situation, you are probably in deep, deep trouble. You don't want to be yanking a starter cord on a dodgy two-stroke while the Tentacles of Kaza'An the Soul Destroyer of Mag-Uhn squeeze the life out of your fellow unlucky party members. You shouldn't have to carefully lubricate the moving parts of your jammed chainsaw while the Teeth of Brig-Wrath the Extirpator of Zw'n-Thragg dismember your group members. You want to have instant destruction available the moment you receive the weapon. You might even want to be able to use the device on Frizhger the Mauling Shark-Fish, submerged in the Sea of Despair.
Obviously, air-breathing engines are no good, what with the underwater Mauling Shark-Fish (also, the torrential rains on Zw'n-Thragg!). Electrics are really not great either - they require careful isolation from the environment, and frankly, the energy density of batteries are quite terrible - you don't want to run out of power halfway one of Kaza'An's Tentacles.
The obvious solution is a hydrazine turbine engine. Hydrazine is an extremely reactive fuel, that does not need an external source of oxygen. It is used as a rocket fuel (where energy density is key). A turbine engine probably has the highest power-to-weight ratio of any rotating engine, and furthermore it only has a single moving part, which can be connected with a single reduction gear to the saw chain. The reaction products of running hydrazine over a catalyst such as iridium are extremely hot nitrogen and hydrogen gas, the latter of which can also combust once it does come into contact with the outside air.
The end result is a screeching whining chainsaw of death spitting blue flames from its exhaust. Chances are the extirpation days of Brig-Wrath are soon over.
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I like your logic, but why bother with the complexity of a turbine and reduction gearing when you could put hydrazine rockets on the chain itself
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@Robin I considered that but half of the rockets will be facing the chainsaw operators. An alternative is to have a rocket pointing directly at the chain but in these case the chain needs to be a compromise between gnawy teethiness and power transfer. All in all I liked the turbine option best.
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– Sanchises
14 hours ago
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+1 for pointing out the kinds of circumstances required for this kind of weapon and delivery system to even be considered.
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– Perkins
10 hours ago
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@Perkins Circumstances such as, but not limited to, the examples listed above. :)
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9 hours ago
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While the question does not explicitly specify this, I think it is reasonable to specify some, er, specifications.
Extreme energy density. The goal of this weapon seems to be to deliver as much destruction as possible in 15 seconds, in a 400lb package which is probably the weight limit for the weapon stores on the jet. It is desirable that the majority of this 400lb is gnawing teeth of mushy annihilation, and only a small part is fuel and power source.
Extreme reliability. If a air-dropped 400lb giant disposable chainsaw seems like the best way out of a situation, you are probably in deep, deep trouble. You don't want to be yanking a starter cord on a dodgy two-stroke while the Tentacles of Kaza'An the Soul Destroyer of Mag-Uhn squeeze the life out of your fellow unlucky party members. You shouldn't have to carefully lubricate the moving parts of your jammed chainsaw while the Teeth of Brig-Wrath the Extirpator of Zw'n-Thragg dismember your group members. You want to have instant destruction available the moment you receive the weapon. You might even want to be able to use the device on Frizhger the Mauling Shark-Fish, submerged in the Sea of Despair.
Obviously, air-breathing engines are no good, what with the underwater Mauling Shark-Fish (also, the torrential rains on Zw'n-Thragg!). Electrics are really not great either - they require careful isolation from the environment, and frankly, the energy density of batteries are quite terrible - you don't want to run out of power halfway one of Kaza'An's Tentacles.
The obvious solution is a hydrazine turbine engine. Hydrazine is an extremely reactive fuel, that does not need an external source of oxygen. It is used as a rocket fuel (where energy density is key). A turbine engine probably has the highest power-to-weight ratio of any rotating engine, and furthermore it only has a single moving part, which can be connected with a single reduction gear to the saw chain. The reaction products of running hydrazine over a catalyst such as iridium are extremely hot nitrogen and hydrogen gas, the latter of which can also combust once it does come into contact with the outside air.
The end result is a screeching whining chainsaw of death spitting blue flames from its exhaust. Chances are the extirpation days of Brig-Wrath are soon over.
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I like your logic, but why bother with the complexity of a turbine and reduction gearing when you could put hydrazine rockets on the chain itself
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– Robin Bennett
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@Robin I considered that but half of the rockets will be facing the chainsaw operators. An alternative is to have a rocket pointing directly at the chain but in these case the chain needs to be a compromise between gnawy teethiness and power transfer. All in all I liked the turbine option best.
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– Sanchises
14 hours ago
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+1 for pointing out the kinds of circumstances required for this kind of weapon and delivery system to even be considered.
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– Perkins
10 hours ago
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@Perkins Circumstances such as, but not limited to, the examples listed above. :)
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While the question does not explicitly specify this, I think it is reasonable to specify some, er, specifications.
Extreme energy density. The goal of this weapon seems to be to deliver as much destruction as possible in 15 seconds, in a 400lb package which is probably the weight limit for the weapon stores on the jet. It is desirable that the majority of this 400lb is gnawing teeth of mushy annihilation, and only a small part is fuel and power source.
Extreme reliability. If a air-dropped 400lb giant disposable chainsaw seems like the best way out of a situation, you are probably in deep, deep trouble. You don't want to be yanking a starter cord on a dodgy two-stroke while the Tentacles of Kaza'An the Soul Destroyer of Mag-Uhn squeeze the life out of your fellow unlucky party members. You shouldn't have to carefully lubricate the moving parts of your jammed chainsaw while the Teeth of Brig-Wrath the Extirpator of Zw'n-Thragg dismember your group members. You want to have instant destruction available the moment you receive the weapon. You might even want to be able to use the device on Frizhger the Mauling Shark-Fish, submerged in the Sea of Despair.
Obviously, air-breathing engines are no good, what with the underwater Mauling Shark-Fish (also, the torrential rains on Zw'n-Thragg!). Electrics are really not great either - they require careful isolation from the environment, and frankly, the energy density of batteries are quite terrible - you don't want to run out of power halfway one of Kaza'An's Tentacles.
The obvious solution is a hydrazine turbine engine. Hydrazine is an extremely reactive fuel, that does not need an external source of oxygen. It is used as a rocket fuel (where energy density is key). A turbine engine probably has the highest power-to-weight ratio of any rotating engine, and furthermore it only has a single moving part, which can be connected with a single reduction gear to the saw chain. The reaction products of running hydrazine over a catalyst such as iridium are extremely hot nitrogen and hydrogen gas, the latter of which can also combust once it does come into contact with the outside air.
The end result is a screeching whining chainsaw of death spitting blue flames from its exhaust. Chances are the extirpation days of Brig-Wrath are soon over.
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While the question does not explicitly specify this, I think it is reasonable to specify some, er, specifications.
Extreme energy density. The goal of this weapon seems to be to deliver as much destruction as possible in 15 seconds, in a 400lb package which is probably the weight limit for the weapon stores on the jet. It is desirable that the majority of this 400lb is gnawing teeth of mushy annihilation, and only a small part is fuel and power source.
Extreme reliability. If a air-dropped 400lb giant disposable chainsaw seems like the best way out of a situation, you are probably in deep, deep trouble. You don't want to be yanking a starter cord on a dodgy two-stroke while the Tentacles of Kaza'An the Soul Destroyer of Mag-Uhn squeeze the life out of your fellow unlucky party members. You shouldn't have to carefully lubricate the moving parts of your jammed chainsaw while the Teeth of Brig-Wrath the Extirpator of Zw'n-Thragg dismember your group members. You want to have instant destruction available the moment you receive the weapon. You might even want to be able to use the device on Frizhger the Mauling Shark-Fish, submerged in the Sea of Despair.
Obviously, air-breathing engines are no good, what with the underwater Mauling Shark-Fish (also, the torrential rains on Zw'n-Thragg!). Electrics are really not great either - they require careful isolation from the environment, and frankly, the energy density of batteries are quite terrible - you don't want to run out of power halfway one of Kaza'An's Tentacles.
The obvious solution is a hydrazine turbine engine. Hydrazine is an extremely reactive fuel, that does not need an external source of oxygen. It is used as a rocket fuel (where energy density is key). A turbine engine probably has the highest power-to-weight ratio of any rotating engine, and furthermore it only has a single moving part, which can be connected with a single reduction gear to the saw chain. The reaction products of running hydrazine over a catalyst such as iridium are extremely hot nitrogen and hydrogen gas, the latter of which can also combust once it does come into contact with the outside air.
The end result is a screeching whining chainsaw of death spitting blue flames from its exhaust. Chances are the extirpation days of Brig-Wrath are soon over.
answered 20 hours ago
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I like your logic, but why bother with the complexity of a turbine and reduction gearing when you could put hydrazine rockets on the chain itself
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@Robin I considered that but half of the rockets will be facing the chainsaw operators. An alternative is to have a rocket pointing directly at the chain but in these case the chain needs to be a compromise between gnawy teethiness and power transfer. All in all I liked the turbine option best.
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+1 for pointing out the kinds of circumstances required for this kind of weapon and delivery system to even be considered.
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@Perkins Circumstances such as, but not limited to, the examples listed above. :)
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I like your logic, but why bother with the complexity of a turbine and reduction gearing when you could put hydrazine rockets on the chain itself
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@Robin I considered that but half of the rockets will be facing the chainsaw operators. An alternative is to have a rocket pointing directly at the chain but in these case the chain needs to be a compromise between gnawy teethiness and power transfer. All in all I liked the turbine option best.
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+1 for pointing out the kinds of circumstances required for this kind of weapon and delivery system to even be considered.
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@Perkins Circumstances such as, but not limited to, the examples listed above. :)
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I like your logic, but why bother with the complexity of a turbine and reduction gearing when you could put hydrazine rockets on the chain itself
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I like your logic, but why bother with the complexity of a turbine and reduction gearing when you could put hydrazine rockets on the chain itself
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@Robin I considered that but half of the rockets will be facing the chainsaw operators. An alternative is to have a rocket pointing directly at the chain but in these case the chain needs to be a compromise between gnawy teethiness and power transfer. All in all I liked the turbine option best.
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@Robin I considered that but half of the rockets will be facing the chainsaw operators. An alternative is to have a rocket pointing directly at the chain but in these case the chain needs to be a compromise between gnawy teethiness and power transfer. All in all I liked the turbine option best.
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+1 for pointing out the kinds of circumstances required for this kind of weapon and delivery system to even be considered.
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+1 for pointing out the kinds of circumstances required for this kind of weapon and delivery system to even be considered.
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@Perkins Circumstances such as, but not limited to, the examples listed above. :)
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@Perkins Circumstances such as, but not limited to, the examples listed above. :)
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Googling "battery in missiles" led me to the page of a company manufacturing and selling such solutions.
I am guessing your solution would be "thermal battery". I do not think they are selling a solution just for you but the duration and power can be tailored to application. Also, such batteries are used by military using similar "mil-tech" would probably fit the back story.
Also such batteries are single use, durable, reliable and have long shelf life.
Some of the other battery chemistries they offer might work better for you, so you might want to check them out. They might be rechargeable though.
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Also known as "molten salt battery"
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Googling "battery in missiles" led me to the page of a company manufacturing and selling such solutions.
I am guessing your solution would be "thermal battery". I do not think they are selling a solution just for you but the duration and power can be tailored to application. Also, such batteries are used by military using similar "mil-tech" would probably fit the back story.
Also such batteries are single use, durable, reliable and have long shelf life.
Some of the other battery chemistries they offer might work better for you, so you might want to check them out. They might be rechargeable though.
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Also known as "molten salt battery"
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Googling "battery in missiles" led me to the page of a company manufacturing and selling such solutions.
I am guessing your solution would be "thermal battery". I do not think they are selling a solution just for you but the duration and power can be tailored to application. Also, such batteries are used by military using similar "mil-tech" would probably fit the back story.
Also such batteries are single use, durable, reliable and have long shelf life.
Some of the other battery chemistries they offer might work better for you, so you might want to check them out. They might be rechargeable though.
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Googling "battery in missiles" led me to the page of a company manufacturing and selling such solutions.
I am guessing your solution would be "thermal battery". I do not think they are selling a solution just for you but the duration and power can be tailored to application. Also, such batteries are used by military using similar "mil-tech" would probably fit the back story.
Also such batteries are single use, durable, reliable and have long shelf life.
Some of the other battery chemistries they offer might work better for you, so you might want to check them out. They might be rechargeable though.
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Also known as "molten salt battery"
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Also known as "molten salt battery"
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The parameters of the problem are:
- Single-use ordnance
- Power-to-weight is a significant constraint
- Brief duration of discharge
- Cheap-ish (we're talking about a disposable giant chainsaw here)
So you're probably looking at a chemical energy source that needs to be converted to mechanical energy. That rules out any high-explosive, and anyway, explosives expend much of their energy in brisance.
Fuels like Otto II driving a turbine are one possibility, if you'd like the system to be self-contained (i.e. not subject the user to exhaust fumes). If that is not a serious consideration (e.g. you are okay with a fire-belching disposable giant chainsaw), then the parameters of the problem closely resemble the energy requirements of a rocket.
I'm partial to a powderized-aluminum + ammonium nitrate mixture, myself.
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The parameters of the problem are:
- Single-use ordnance
- Power-to-weight is a significant constraint
- Brief duration of discharge
- Cheap-ish (we're talking about a disposable giant chainsaw here)
So you're probably looking at a chemical energy source that needs to be converted to mechanical energy. That rules out any high-explosive, and anyway, explosives expend much of their energy in brisance.
Fuels like Otto II driving a turbine are one possibility, if you'd like the system to be self-contained (i.e. not subject the user to exhaust fumes). If that is not a serious consideration (e.g. you are okay with a fire-belching disposable giant chainsaw), then the parameters of the problem closely resemble the energy requirements of a rocket.
I'm partial to a powderized-aluminum + ammonium nitrate mixture, myself.
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The parameters of the problem are:
- Single-use ordnance
- Power-to-weight is a significant constraint
- Brief duration of discharge
- Cheap-ish (we're talking about a disposable giant chainsaw here)
So you're probably looking at a chemical energy source that needs to be converted to mechanical energy. That rules out any high-explosive, and anyway, explosives expend much of their energy in brisance.
Fuels like Otto II driving a turbine are one possibility, if you'd like the system to be self-contained (i.e. not subject the user to exhaust fumes). If that is not a serious consideration (e.g. you are okay with a fire-belching disposable giant chainsaw), then the parameters of the problem closely resemble the energy requirements of a rocket.
I'm partial to a powderized-aluminum + ammonium nitrate mixture, myself.
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The parameters of the problem are:
- Single-use ordnance
- Power-to-weight is a significant constraint
- Brief duration of discharge
- Cheap-ish (we're talking about a disposable giant chainsaw here)
So you're probably looking at a chemical energy source that needs to be converted to mechanical energy. That rules out any high-explosive, and anyway, explosives expend much of their energy in brisance.
Fuels like Otto II driving a turbine are one possibility, if you'd like the system to be self-contained (i.e. not subject the user to exhaust fumes). If that is not a serious consideration (e.g. you are okay with a fire-belching disposable giant chainsaw), then the parameters of the problem closely resemble the energy requirements of a rocket.
I'm partial to a powderized-aluminum + ammonium nitrate mixture, myself.
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Well possibly the easiest power source to use would be a battery, you can accurately determine how much ‘life’ it could give to a piece of electronics by setting the max capacity and charging it until it is full.
Although, if your problem is just that you need to get the chainsaws down safely, i would recommend using parachutes or heavily padded drop boxes to ensure the contents were undamaged. At that point you could use whatever fuel you liked as it would not be damaged from the fall.
However, i don’t think you’d want to use chainsaws, especially ones that heavy, as weapons. They are not particularly effective, are slow and 400 pounds is about the weight of two humans. At that point you might as well be using a giant maul instead. Here is an answer where i explained the issues with chainsaw weapons. There is also a link to a youtube video in my answer which demonstrates my point.
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But chainsaws are FUN . Signed, Anonymous From Texas
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Well possibly the easiest power source to use would be a battery, you can accurately determine how much ‘life’ it could give to a piece of electronics by setting the max capacity and charging it until it is full.
Although, if your problem is just that you need to get the chainsaws down safely, i would recommend using parachutes or heavily padded drop boxes to ensure the contents were undamaged. At that point you could use whatever fuel you liked as it would not be damaged from the fall.
However, i don’t think you’d want to use chainsaws, especially ones that heavy, as weapons. They are not particularly effective, are slow and 400 pounds is about the weight of two humans. At that point you might as well be using a giant maul instead. Here is an answer where i explained the issues with chainsaw weapons. There is also a link to a youtube video in my answer which demonstrates my point.
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– Carl Witthoft
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Well possibly the easiest power source to use would be a battery, you can accurately determine how much ‘life’ it could give to a piece of electronics by setting the max capacity and charging it until it is full.
Although, if your problem is just that you need to get the chainsaws down safely, i would recommend using parachutes or heavily padded drop boxes to ensure the contents were undamaged. At that point you could use whatever fuel you liked as it would not be damaged from the fall.
However, i don’t think you’d want to use chainsaws, especially ones that heavy, as weapons. They are not particularly effective, are slow and 400 pounds is about the weight of two humans. At that point you might as well be using a giant maul instead. Here is an answer where i explained the issues with chainsaw weapons. There is also a link to a youtube video in my answer which demonstrates my point.
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Well possibly the easiest power source to use would be a battery, you can accurately determine how much ‘life’ it could give to a piece of electronics by setting the max capacity and charging it until it is full.
Although, if your problem is just that you need to get the chainsaws down safely, i would recommend using parachutes or heavily padded drop boxes to ensure the contents were undamaged. At that point you could use whatever fuel you liked as it would not be damaged from the fall.
However, i don’t think you’d want to use chainsaws, especially ones that heavy, as weapons. They are not particularly effective, are slow and 400 pounds is about the weight of two humans. At that point you might as well be using a giant maul instead. Here is an answer where i explained the issues with chainsaw weapons. There is also a link to a youtube video in my answer which demonstrates my point.
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Since this is the sort of weapon that Coyote would be using against Roadrunner, it must be powered by the future power supply du jour.
In the 1950s that would have meant nuclear power, nowadays everything is battery powered, though some consider that the future is in hydrogen.
It very much depends on the tone of the situation you're creating.
The clean and neat nature of modern hydrogen fuel cells and batteries may not fit the context, so you might want to find some way of making it spew smoke and fire as it's powered up, that means coal or at the least diesel powered.
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Since this is the sort of weapon that Coyote would be using against Roadrunner, it must be powered by the future power supply du jour.
In the 1950s that would have meant nuclear power, nowadays everything is battery powered, though some consider that the future is in hydrogen.
It very much depends on the tone of the situation you're creating.
The clean and neat nature of modern hydrogen fuel cells and batteries may not fit the context, so you might want to find some way of making it spew smoke and fire as it's powered up, that means coal or at the least diesel powered.
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Since this is the sort of weapon that Coyote would be using against Roadrunner, it must be powered by the future power supply du jour.
In the 1950s that would have meant nuclear power, nowadays everything is battery powered, though some consider that the future is in hydrogen.
It very much depends on the tone of the situation you're creating.
The clean and neat nature of modern hydrogen fuel cells and batteries may not fit the context, so you might want to find some way of making it spew smoke and fire as it's powered up, that means coal or at the least diesel powered.
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Since this is the sort of weapon that Coyote would be using against Roadrunner, it must be powered by the future power supply du jour.
In the 1950s that would have meant nuclear power, nowadays everything is battery powered, though some consider that the future is in hydrogen.
It very much depends on the tone of the situation you're creating.
The clean and neat nature of modern hydrogen fuel cells and batteries may not fit the context, so you might want to find some way of making it spew smoke and fire as it's powered up, that means coal or at the least diesel powered.
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I would go for a chemistry based solution. Think of current engines; they are all based on the concept of explosions. Now think of a giant explosion happening on release of the chainsaw. It would create enough pressure to power the chainsaw for quite some time.
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I would go for a chemistry based solution. Think of current engines; they are all based on the concept of explosions. Now think of a giant explosion happening on release of the chainsaw. It would create enough pressure to power the chainsaw for quite some time.
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I would go for a chemistry based solution. Think of current engines; they are all based on the concept of explosions. Now think of a giant explosion happening on release of the chainsaw. It would create enough pressure to power the chainsaw for quite some time.
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I would go for a chemistry based solution. Think of current engines; they are all based on the concept of explosions. Now think of a giant explosion happening on release of the chainsaw. It would create enough pressure to power the chainsaw for quite some time.
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Expanding on Willk's answer here:
You have a "lander" and a chainsaw. The chainsaw is spring-powered. The lander has multiple rotors, say 3, that both break the fall and charge spring. It would basically look like a quadrocopter with a chainsaw at the bottom falling down.
A ratchet prevents the spring from discharging. A trigger mechanism in the chainsaw releases the ratchet and directs its power from the rotor coupling to the saw's chain - the chainsaw is running, purely from the energy from the fall.
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Expanding on Willk's answer here:
You have a "lander" and a chainsaw. The chainsaw is spring-powered. The lander has multiple rotors, say 3, that both break the fall and charge spring. It would basically look like a quadrocopter with a chainsaw at the bottom falling down.
A ratchet prevents the spring from discharging. A trigger mechanism in the chainsaw releases the ratchet and directs its power from the rotor coupling to the saw's chain - the chainsaw is running, purely from the energy from the fall.
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Expanding on Willk's answer here:
You have a "lander" and a chainsaw. The chainsaw is spring-powered. The lander has multiple rotors, say 3, that both break the fall and charge spring. It would basically look like a quadrocopter with a chainsaw at the bottom falling down.
A ratchet prevents the spring from discharging. A trigger mechanism in the chainsaw releases the ratchet and directs its power from the rotor coupling to the saw's chain - the chainsaw is running, purely from the energy from the fall.
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Expanding on Willk's answer here:
You have a "lander" and a chainsaw. The chainsaw is spring-powered. The lander has multiple rotors, say 3, that both break the fall and charge spring. It would basically look like a quadrocopter with a chainsaw at the bottom falling down.
A ratchet prevents the spring from discharging. A trigger mechanism in the chainsaw releases the ratchet and directs its power from the rotor coupling to the saw's chain - the chainsaw is running, purely from the energy from the fall.
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Dual liquid explosive, the force would trash the mechanism but its a one use weapon.
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Dual liquid explosive, the force would trash the mechanism but its a one use weapon.
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These are normally called binary explosives, just for reference.
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Dual liquid explosive, the force would trash the mechanism but its a one use weapon.
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Dual liquid explosive, the force would trash the mechanism but its a one use weapon.
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These are normally called binary explosives, just for reference.
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These are normally called binary explosives, just for reference.
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These are normally called binary explosives, just for reference.
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Coffman (shotgun) starter
The Coffman starter uses a propellant fit in a shotgun shell, with the standard shotgun primer (blasting cap). It generates up to 15 seconds of pneumatic force to start large aviation and tractor engines.
Famously used on the movie Flight of the Phoenix (both versions).
Adjust size for energy need, but it's just the right energy density, weight and burn rate for the job.
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Coffman (shotgun) starter
The Coffman starter uses a propellant fit in a shotgun shell, with the standard shotgun primer (blasting cap). It generates up to 15 seconds of pneumatic force to start large aviation and tractor engines.
Famously used on the movie Flight of the Phoenix (both versions).
Adjust size for energy need, but it's just the right energy density, weight and burn rate for the job.
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Coffman (shotgun) starter
The Coffman starter uses a propellant fit in a shotgun shell, with the standard shotgun primer (blasting cap). It generates up to 15 seconds of pneumatic force to start large aviation and tractor engines.
Famously used on the movie Flight of the Phoenix (both versions).
Adjust size for energy need, but it's just the right energy density, weight and burn rate for the job.
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Coffman (shotgun) starter
The Coffman starter uses a propellant fit in a shotgun shell, with the standard shotgun primer (blasting cap). It generates up to 15 seconds of pneumatic force to start large aviation and tractor engines.
Famously used on the movie Flight of the Phoenix (both versions).
Adjust size for energy need, but it's just the right energy density, weight and burn rate for the job.
answered 8 hours ago
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This whole concept seems unwise to me. 400lbs is crazy amount of weight to wield, which assume the chainsaw survives landing, and it lands near you. Range is way too close to have a problematic enemy for my comfort. Instead how about 100lbs or so of frag grenades or similar you can use from a safe distance. Range, damages, easy to use, and multiples can be deployed to same target easily.
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@cybernard The whole concept is batshit insane. It's obviously intended for a fictional universe driven by the rule of cool and not by rationality.
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@Philipp there is rule of cool and there's stuff that breaks the suspension of disbelief. I do believe that with chainsaw planes, any hope for realism goes right out the window... which doesn't necessarily make the resulting fiction bad, but it does make the need for defined inner workings quite a bit less necessary.
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– John Dvorak
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In a universe where coolness trumps sanity when it comes to conflict, chainsaw planes make perfect sense. As do superhero landings (They’re hell on the knees), giant floating air fortresses and flashy uniforms with the underpants on the outside. Basically this is the kind of thing any superhero film could benefit from.
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– Joe Bloggs
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I initially read this as the jet dropping the chainsaw directly on the enemy, which is also awesome.
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– TKK
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