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Is there a limit to the ki you can spend as a Way of the Four Elements monk's Fist of Unbroken Air or Water Whip disciplines to do extra damage?
Which ability do monks use to determine their spell save DCDoes the elemental monk's Water Whip require a source of water?How would Water Whip interact with Wall of Water?Does ki count as magic for the purpose of an antimagic field, or is it only fluff?Monks ki pool and temporary ability score increaseIs this weapon based Monastic Tradition balanced as compared to current monk archtypes?Is it possible to add more variety to the Create A Spell table without breaking game balance?Does a Sun Soul monk qualify for the Spell Sniper feat at level 4?Do feats that have the “Prerequisite: Able to cast at least one spell” work on a Way of the Four Elements monk?Is this homebrew alternate Way of the Four Elements monk subclass balanced?
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For the Monastic Tradition "Way of the Four Elements" in the D&D 5e Player's Handbook (p. 80-81), some Elemental Disciplines allow the monk to spend ki points to cast a spell. For these spell disciplines, additional ki points can be spent to cast the spell at a higher level than its minimum, but there are specified limits to "the maximum number of ki points you can spend to cast a spell in this way".
But other Elemental Disciplines are not called spells and not implied in any way to be spells. Three of these Disciplines do provide a similar way of increasing the effects by spending more ki points. Fangs of the Fire Snake allows spending just 1 additional ki point for a total of 2 points.
However, both the Fist of Unbroken Air and the Water Whip disciplines say you can spend 2 ki points to cause the initial effect, "plus an extra 1d10 bludgeoning damage for each additional ki point you spend".
Is there a limit to how many ki points a Monk can spend on either Fist of Unbroken Air or Water Whip, or how much extra damage they can do, other than the Monk's total supply of ki points?
Just from reading my Player's Handbook (First Printing August 2014 "includes corrections"), it looks like the answer is no, a Monk can always spend any amount of ki points they have available for these disciplines, since the only limits mentioned are for spell casting, and these disciplines are not spells. But this seems surprisingly inconsistent, and a rare potential for doing a huge amount of damage with one action. Has anything changed or clarified this otherwise, in later revisions, errata, or comments from the designers?
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For the Monastic Tradition "Way of the Four Elements" in the D&D 5e Player's Handbook (p. 80-81), some Elemental Disciplines allow the monk to spend ki points to cast a spell. For these spell disciplines, additional ki points can be spent to cast the spell at a higher level than its minimum, but there are specified limits to "the maximum number of ki points you can spend to cast a spell in this way".
But other Elemental Disciplines are not called spells and not implied in any way to be spells. Three of these Disciplines do provide a similar way of increasing the effects by spending more ki points. Fangs of the Fire Snake allows spending just 1 additional ki point for a total of 2 points.
However, both the Fist of Unbroken Air and the Water Whip disciplines say you can spend 2 ki points to cause the initial effect, "plus an extra 1d10 bludgeoning damage for each additional ki point you spend".
Is there a limit to how many ki points a Monk can spend on either Fist of Unbroken Air or Water Whip, or how much extra damage they can do, other than the Monk's total supply of ki points?
Just from reading my Player's Handbook (First Printing August 2014 "includes corrections"), it looks like the answer is no, a Monk can always spend any amount of ki points they have available for these disciplines, since the only limits mentioned are for spell casting, and these disciplines are not spells. But this seems surprisingly inconsistent, and a rare potential for doing a huge amount of damage with one action. Has anything changed or clarified this otherwise, in later revisions, errata, or comments from the designers?
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@V2Blast Thanks for the edits, but that linked page doesn't say anything about "Way of the Four Elements" (which is not open content)?
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– aschepler
May 29 at 0:40
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Indeed, the DDB link doesn't display the Way of the Four Elements page unless you own the subclass on DDB, since it's not in the SRD. You could alternately link to the PHB compendium section for the Four Elements monk, which will auto-redirect to the DDB marketplace if you don't own the PHB compendium content on DDB - but as it's not in the SRD, there's no linked content that'll be visible to anyone who doesn't own the content there (or have it shared with them).
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For the Monastic Tradition "Way of the Four Elements" in the D&D 5e Player's Handbook (p. 80-81), some Elemental Disciplines allow the monk to spend ki points to cast a spell. For these spell disciplines, additional ki points can be spent to cast the spell at a higher level than its minimum, but there are specified limits to "the maximum number of ki points you can spend to cast a spell in this way".
But other Elemental Disciplines are not called spells and not implied in any way to be spells. Three of these Disciplines do provide a similar way of increasing the effects by spending more ki points. Fangs of the Fire Snake allows spending just 1 additional ki point for a total of 2 points.
However, both the Fist of Unbroken Air and the Water Whip disciplines say you can spend 2 ki points to cause the initial effect, "plus an extra 1d10 bludgeoning damage for each additional ki point you spend".
Is there a limit to how many ki points a Monk can spend on either Fist of Unbroken Air or Water Whip, or how much extra damage they can do, other than the Monk's total supply of ki points?
Just from reading my Player's Handbook (First Printing August 2014 "includes corrections"), it looks like the answer is no, a Monk can always spend any amount of ki points they have available for these disciplines, since the only limits mentioned are for spell casting, and these disciplines are not spells. But this seems surprisingly inconsistent, and a rare potential for doing a huge amount of damage with one action. Has anything changed or clarified this otherwise, in later revisions, errata, or comments from the designers?
dnd-5e class-feature monk
edited May 29 at 0:10
V2Blast
30.1k5110183
asked May 28 at 23:47
aschepleraschepler
1786
$endgroup$
For the Monastic Tradition "Way of the Four Elements" in the D&D 5e Player's Handbook (p. 80-81), some Elemental Disciplines allow the monk to spend ki points to cast a spell. For these spell disciplines, additional ki points can be spent to cast the spell at a higher level than its minimum, but there are specified limits to "the maximum number of ki points you can spend to cast a spell in this way".
But other Elemental Disciplines are not called spells and not implied in any way to be spells. Three of these Disciplines do provide a similar way of increasing the effects by spending more ki points. Fangs of the Fire Snake allows spending just 1 additional ki point for a total of 2 points.
However, both the Fist of Unbroken Air and the Water Whip disciplines say you can spend 2 ki points to cause the initial effect, "plus an extra 1d10 bludgeoning damage for each additional ki point you spend".
Is there a limit to how many ki points a Monk can spend on either Fist of Unbroken Air or Water Whip, or how much extra damage they can do, other than the Monk's total supply of ki points?
Just from reading my Player's Handbook (First Printing August 2014 "includes corrections"), it looks like the answer is no, a Monk can always spend any amount of ki points they have available for these disciplines, since the only limits mentioned are for spell casting, and these disciplines are not spells. But this seems surprisingly inconsistent, and a rare potential for doing a huge amount of damage with one action. Has anything changed or clarified this otherwise, in later revisions, errata, or comments from the designers?
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@V2Blast Thanks for the edits, but that linked page doesn't say anything about "Way of the Four Elements" (which is not open content)?
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– aschepler
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Indeed, the DDB link doesn't display the Way of the Four Elements page unless you own the subclass on DDB, since it's not in the SRD. You could alternately link to the PHB compendium section for the Four Elements monk, which will auto-redirect to the DDB marketplace if you don't own the PHB compendium content on DDB - but as it's not in the SRD, there's no linked content that'll be visible to anyone who doesn't own the content there (or have it shared with them).
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@V2Blast Thanks for the edits, but that linked page doesn't say anything about "Way of the Four Elements" (which is not open content)?
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– aschepler
May 29 at 0:40
2
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Indeed, the DDB link doesn't display the Way of the Four Elements page unless you own the subclass on DDB, since it's not in the SRD. You could alternately link to the PHB compendium section for the Four Elements monk, which will auto-redirect to the DDB marketplace if you don't own the PHB compendium content on DDB - but as it's not in the SRD, there's no linked content that'll be visible to anyone who doesn't own the content there (or have it shared with them).
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– V2Blast
May 29 at 0:47
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@V2Blast Thanks for the edits, but that linked page doesn't say anything about "Way of the Four Elements" (which is not open content)?
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– aschepler
May 29 at 0:40
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@V2Blast Thanks for the edits, but that linked page doesn't say anything about "Way of the Four Elements" (which is not open content)?
$endgroup$
– aschepler
May 29 at 0:40
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2
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Indeed, the DDB link doesn't display the Way of the Four Elements page unless you own the subclass on DDB, since it's not in the SRD. You could alternately link to the PHB compendium section for the Four Elements monk, which will auto-redirect to the DDB marketplace if you don't own the PHB compendium content on DDB - but as it's not in the SRD, there's no linked content that'll be visible to anyone who doesn't own the content there (or have it shared with them).
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– V2Blast
May 29 at 0:47
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Indeed, the DDB link doesn't display the Way of the Four Elements page unless you own the subclass on DDB, since it's not in the SRD. You could alternately link to the PHB compendium section for the Four Elements monk, which will auto-redirect to the DDB marketplace if you don't own the PHB compendium content on DDB - but as it's not in the SRD, there's no linked content that'll be visible to anyone who doesn't own the content there (or have it shared with them).
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There is no limit.
As you correctly note, there is no hard limit to the number of Ki points a Monk can spend on a single power, aside from their normal maximum number of Ki points. I checked the most recent errata, and there's no mention of limiting Monk Ki spend. If a 20th level Monk wants to spend 20 Ki points to deal 21d10 damage with a single Fist of Unbroken Air, there's nothing stopping them.
It's generally not a good idea to spend lots of Ki at once, though. Each Ki power has a much more interesting effect than just damage (like pushing and knocking prone for Unbroken Air), and will generally be more efficient at dealing damage if you spend fewer Ki points at once.
Once a Monk does their big 21d10 attack, they can't do much else until a rest. Other classes are much better at burst damage, and can generally keep doing less potent class actions once they've spent their big attack, which a Monk can't do here.
answered May 28 at 23:57
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In addition to the 4 elements monk's other options for expending ki, there's also the base monk's ki options - particularly Stunning Strike, which can be a much better use of a monk's ki than any Elemental Discipline. As you point out, these are often more efficient uses of a single ki point than simply doing an extra die of damage.
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While what you say is true, 21d10 is a nice burst of damage ... the temptation might be great. :)
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– KorvinStarmast
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Without knowing the current HP of the enemy, 1-20d10 might be wasted on this.
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There is no limit.
As you correctly note, there is no hard limit to the number of Ki points a Monk can spend on a single power, aside from their normal maximum number of Ki points. I checked the most recent errata, and there's no mention of limiting Monk Ki spend. If a 20th level Monk wants to spend 20 Ki points to deal 21d10 damage with a single Fist of Unbroken Air, there's nothing stopping them.
It's generally not a good idea to spend lots of Ki at once, though. Each Ki power has a much more interesting effect than just damage (like pushing and knocking prone for Unbroken Air), and will generally be more efficient at dealing damage if you spend fewer Ki points at once.
Once a Monk does their big 21d10 attack, they can't do much else until a rest. Other classes are much better at burst damage, and can generally keep doing less potent class actions once they've spent their big attack, which a Monk can't do here.
answered May 28 at 23:57
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In addition to the 4 elements monk's other options for expending ki, there's also the base monk's ki options - particularly Stunning Strike, which can be a much better use of a monk's ki than any Elemental Discipline. As you point out, these are often more efficient uses of a single ki point than simply doing an extra die of damage.
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– V2Blast
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While what you say is true, 21d10 is a nice burst of damage ... the temptation might be great. :)
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– KorvinStarmast
May 29 at 0:57
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Without knowing the current HP of the enemy, 1-20d10 might be wasted on this.
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– András
May 29 at 12:10
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There is no limit.
As you correctly note, there is no hard limit to the number of Ki points a Monk can spend on a single power, aside from their normal maximum number of Ki points. I checked the most recent errata, and there's no mention of limiting Monk Ki spend. If a 20th level Monk wants to spend 20 Ki points to deal 21d10 damage with a single Fist of Unbroken Air, there's nothing stopping them.
It's generally not a good idea to spend lots of Ki at once, though. Each Ki power has a much more interesting effect than just damage (like pushing and knocking prone for Unbroken Air), and will generally be more efficient at dealing damage if you spend fewer Ki points at once.
Once a Monk does their big 21d10 attack, they can't do much else until a rest. Other classes are much better at burst damage, and can generally keep doing less potent class actions once they've spent their big attack, which a Monk can't do here.
answered May 28 at 23:57
DuckTapeAlDuckTapeAl
39.1k9134229
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
In addition to the 4 elements monk's other options for expending ki, there's also the base monk's ki options - particularly Stunning Strike, which can be a much better use of a monk's ki than any Elemental Discipline. As you point out, these are often more efficient uses of a single ki point than simply doing an extra die of damage.
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– V2Blast
May 29 at 0:13
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While what you say is true, 21d10 is a nice burst of damage ... the temptation might be great. :)
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– KorvinStarmast
May 29 at 0:57
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Without knowing the current HP of the enemy, 1-20d10 might be wasted on this.
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– András
May 29 at 12:10
add a comment |
$begingroup$
There is no limit.
As you correctly note, there is no hard limit to the number of Ki points a Monk can spend on a single power, aside from their normal maximum number of Ki points. I checked the most recent errata, and there's no mention of limiting Monk Ki spend. If a 20th level Monk wants to spend 20 Ki points to deal 21d10 damage with a single Fist of Unbroken Air, there's nothing stopping them.
It's generally not a good idea to spend lots of Ki at once, though. Each Ki power has a much more interesting effect than just damage (like pushing and knocking prone for Unbroken Air), and will generally be more efficient at dealing damage if you spend fewer Ki points at once.
Once a Monk does their big 21d10 attack, they can't do much else until a rest. Other classes are much better at burst damage, and can generally keep doing less potent class actions once they've spent their big attack, which a Monk can't do here.
answered May 28 at 23:57
DuckTapeAlDuckTapeAl
39.1k9134229
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There is no limit.
As you correctly note, there is no hard limit to the number of Ki points a Monk can spend on a single power, aside from their normal maximum number of Ki points. I checked the most recent errata, and there's no mention of limiting Monk Ki spend. If a 20th level Monk wants to spend 20 Ki points to deal 21d10 damage with a single Fist of Unbroken Air, there's nothing stopping them.
It's generally not a good idea to spend lots of Ki at once, though. Each Ki power has a much more interesting effect than just damage (like pushing and knocking prone for Unbroken Air), and will generally be more efficient at dealing damage if you spend fewer Ki points at once.
Once a Monk does their big 21d10 attack, they can't do much else until a rest. Other classes are much better at burst damage, and can generally keep doing less potent class actions once they've spent their big attack, which a Monk can't do here.
answered May 28 at 23:57
DuckTapeAlDuckTapeAl
39.1k9134229
answered May 28 at 23:57
DuckTapeAlDuckTapeAl
39.1k9134229
answered May 28 at 23:57
DuckTapeAlDuckTapeAl
39.1k9134229
answered May 28 at 23:57
DuckTapeAlDuckTapeAl
39.1k9134229
39.1k9134229
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In addition to the 4 elements monk's other options for expending ki, there's also the base monk's ki options - particularly Stunning Strike, which can be a much better use of a monk's ki than any Elemental Discipline. As you point out, these are often more efficient uses of a single ki point than simply doing an extra die of damage.
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– V2Blast
May 29 at 0:13
3
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While what you say is true, 21d10 is a nice burst of damage ... the temptation might be great. :)
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– KorvinStarmast
May 29 at 0:57
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Without knowing the current HP of the enemy, 1-20d10 might be wasted on this.
$endgroup$
– András
May 29 at 12:10
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
In addition to the 4 elements monk's other options for expending ki, there's also the base monk's ki options - particularly Stunning Strike, which can be a much better use of a monk's ki than any Elemental Discipline. As you point out, these are often more efficient uses of a single ki point than simply doing an extra die of damage.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
May 29 at 0:13
3
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While what you say is true, 21d10 is a nice burst of damage ... the temptation might be great. :)
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
May 29 at 0:57
$begingroup$
Without knowing the current HP of the enemy, 1-20d10 might be wasted on this.
$endgroup$
– András
May 29 at 12:10
1
1
$begingroup$
In addition to the 4 elements monk's other options for expending ki, there's also the base monk's ki options - particularly Stunning Strike, which can be a much better use of a monk's ki than any Elemental Discipline. As you point out, these are often more efficient uses of a single ki point than simply doing an extra die of damage.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
May 29 at 0:13
$begingroup$
In addition to the 4 elements monk's other options for expending ki, there's also the base monk's ki options - particularly Stunning Strike, which can be a much better use of a monk's ki than any Elemental Discipline. As you point out, these are often more efficient uses of a single ki point than simply doing an extra die of damage.
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
May 29 at 0:13
3
3
$begingroup$
While what you say is true, 21d10 is a nice burst of damage ... the temptation might be great. :)
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
May 29 at 0:57
$begingroup$
While what you say is true, 21d10 is a nice burst of damage ... the temptation might be great. :)
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
May 29 at 0:57
$begingroup$
Without knowing the current HP of the enemy, 1-20d10 might be wasted on this.
$endgroup$
– András
May 29 at 12:10
$begingroup$
Without knowing the current HP of the enemy, 1-20d10 might be wasted on this.
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– András
May 29 at 12:10
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Indeed, the DDB link doesn't display the Way of the Four Elements page unless you own the subclass on DDB, since it's not in the SRD. You could alternately link to the PHB compendium section for the Four Elements monk, which will auto-redirect to the DDB marketplace if you don't own the PHB compendium content on DDB - but as it's not in the SRD, there's no linked content that'll be visible to anyone who doesn't own the content there (or have it shared with them).
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– V2Blast
May 29 at 0:47