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Translating the “organ registration” in Spanish?
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Google Translate translates "registration" as "registro", but I have the feeling here the right word would be registración.
In the context of organs, registration is is the technique of choosing and combining the stops of a pipe organ in order to produce a particular sound (Wikipedia) — in short is the art of making the organ to sound right for each style of music (e.g. there are strong registrations adding gravity to the sound, or soft ones for soft pieces).
The registration is formed from the combination of stops — or registers (each individual sound/tone of the tones that a pipe organ can create).
The context is about the registration I chose to play a song on the pipe organ:
I played it choosing a soft registration of Principal 8’ and Flute 8’ with the hope to bring peace to each one that listens to it.
And translated:
Yo la interpreté eligiendo un registro/una registración suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' con la esperanza de traer paz a cada una de las personas que la escuchen.
I am primary interested what would be the right word usage here and then I am open for rewording of the translation.
An example where this word is used: https://www.enharmonia.es/blog/75-nociones-de-registracion-i
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Google Translate translates "registration" as "registro", but I have the feeling here the right word would be registración.
In the context of organs, registration is is the technique of choosing and combining the stops of a pipe organ in order to produce a particular sound (Wikipedia) — in short is the art of making the organ to sound right for each style of music (e.g. there are strong registrations adding gravity to the sound, or soft ones for soft pieces).
The registration is formed from the combination of stops — or registers (each individual sound/tone of the tones that a pipe organ can create).
The context is about the registration I chose to play a song on the pipe organ:
I played it choosing a soft registration of Principal 8’ and Flute 8’ with the hope to bring peace to each one that listens to it.
And translated:
Yo la interpreté eligiendo un registro/una registración suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' con la esperanza de traer paz a cada una de las personas que la escuchen.
I am primary interested what would be the right word usage here and then I am open for rewording of the translation.
An example where this word is used: https://www.enharmonia.es/blog/75-nociones-de-registracion-i
traducción uso-de-palabras
asked Jul 10 at 8:07
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Hello, Ionică Bizău, and welcome to Spanish Language! That's a nicely-posed first question, but I personally would like to know what's exactly a "registration" in English, in order to find the proper word in Spanish. Would you mind to add an English description of the word? Note also that "registración" does not exist in Spanish, so maybe we'll need to find another word.
– Charlie
Jul 10 at 8:22
Notice that @walen has removed correctly the pronoun "Yo" from your translation. Adding that pronoun in Spanish is redudant because the verbe tense already provides that information. You can use it to add emphasis in the person executing the action, in the same sense that you add the verb "do" in English. "I did play it"
– RubioRic
Jul 10 at 10:30
@Charlie I've added that in the post. In short: the pipe organ has multiple registers (each kind of sound), and the registration is the combination of registers (in this particular case: the registers are Principal 8' and Flauta 8' and the registration is their combination which will result in a soft and pleasant sound).
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:48
add a comment |
Google Translate translates "registration" as "registro", but I have the feeling here the right word would be registración.
In the context of organs, registration is is the technique of choosing and combining the stops of a pipe organ in order to produce a particular sound (Wikipedia) — in short is the art of making the organ to sound right for each style of music (e.g. there are strong registrations adding gravity to the sound, or soft ones for soft pieces).
The registration is formed from the combination of stops — or registers (each individual sound/tone of the tones that a pipe organ can create).
The context is about the registration I chose to play a song on the pipe organ:
I played it choosing a soft registration of Principal 8’ and Flute 8’ with the hope to bring peace to each one that listens to it.
And translated:
Yo la interpreté eligiendo un registro/una registración suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' con la esperanza de traer paz a cada una de las personas que la escuchen.
I am primary interested what would be the right word usage here and then I am open for rewording of the translation.
An example where this word is used: https://www.enharmonia.es/blog/75-nociones-de-registracion-i
traducción uso-de-palabras
asked Jul 10 at 8:07
Ionică BizăuIonică Bizău
1334 bronze badges
Google Translate translates "registration" as "registro", but I have the feeling here the right word would be registración.
In the context of organs, registration is is the technique of choosing and combining the stops of a pipe organ in order to produce a particular sound (Wikipedia) — in short is the art of making the organ to sound right for each style of music (e.g. there are strong registrations adding gravity to the sound, or soft ones for soft pieces).
The registration is formed from the combination of stops — or registers (each individual sound/tone of the tones that a pipe organ can create).
The context is about the registration I chose to play a song on the pipe organ:
I played it choosing a soft registration of Principal 8’ and Flute 8’ with the hope to bring peace to each one that listens to it.
And translated:
Yo la interpreté eligiendo un registro/una registración suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' con la esperanza de traer paz a cada una de las personas que la escuchen.
I am primary interested what would be the right word usage here and then I am open for rewording of the translation.
An example where this word is used: https://www.enharmonia.es/blog/75-nociones-de-registracion-i
traducción uso-de-palabras
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asked Jul 10 at 8:07
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Hello, Ionică Bizău, and welcome to Spanish Language! That's a nicely-posed first question, but I personally would like to know what's exactly a "registration" in English, in order to find the proper word in Spanish. Would you mind to add an English description of the word? Note also that "registración" does not exist in Spanish, so maybe we'll need to find another word.
– Charlie
Jul 10 at 8:22
Notice that @walen has removed correctly the pronoun "Yo" from your translation. Adding that pronoun in Spanish is redudant because the verbe tense already provides that information. You can use it to add emphasis in the person executing the action, in the same sense that you add the verb "do" in English. "I did play it"
– RubioRic
Jul 10 at 10:30
@Charlie I've added that in the post. In short: the pipe organ has multiple registers (each kind of sound), and the registration is the combination of registers (in this particular case: the registers are Principal 8' and Flauta 8' and the registration is their combination which will result in a soft and pleasant sound).
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:48
add a comment |
Hello, Ionică Bizău, and welcome to Spanish Language! That's a nicely-posed first question, but I personally would like to know what's exactly a "registration" in English, in order to find the proper word in Spanish. Would you mind to add an English description of the word? Note also that "registración" does not exist in Spanish, so maybe we'll need to find another word.
– Charlie
Jul 10 at 8:22
Notice that @walen has removed correctly the pronoun "Yo" from your translation. Adding that pronoun in Spanish is redudant because the verbe tense already provides that information. You can use it to add emphasis in the person executing the action, in the same sense that you add the verb "do" in English. "I did play it"
– RubioRic
Jul 10 at 10:30
@Charlie I've added that in the post. In short: the pipe organ has multiple registers (each kind of sound), and the registration is the combination of registers (in this particular case: the registers are Principal 8' and Flauta 8' and the registration is their combination which will result in a soft and pleasant sound).
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:48
Hello, Ionică Bizău, and welcome to Spanish Language! That's a nicely-posed first question, but I personally would like to know what's exactly a "registration" in English, in order to find the proper word in Spanish. Would you mind to add an English description of the word? Note also that "registración" does not exist in Spanish, so maybe we'll need to find another word.
– Charlie
Jul 10 at 8:22
Hello, Ionică Bizău, and welcome to Spanish Language! That's a nicely-posed first question, but I personally would like to know what's exactly a "registration" in English, in order to find the proper word in Spanish. Would you mind to add an English description of the word? Note also that "registración" does not exist in Spanish, so maybe we'll need to find another word.
– Charlie
Jul 10 at 8:22
Notice that @walen has removed correctly the pronoun "Yo" from your translation. Adding that pronoun in Spanish is redudant because the verbe tense already provides that information. You can use it to add emphasis in the person executing the action, in the same sense that you add the verb "do" in English. "I did play it"
– RubioRic
Jul 10 at 10:30
Notice that @walen has removed correctly the pronoun "Yo" from your translation. Adding that pronoun in Spanish is redudant because the verbe tense already provides that information. You can use it to add emphasis in the person executing the action, in the same sense that you add the verb "do" in English. "I did play it"
– RubioRic
Jul 10 at 10:30
@Charlie I've added that in the post. In short: the pipe organ has multiple registers (each kind of sound), and the registration is the combination of registers (in this particular case: the registers are Principal 8' and Flauta 8' and the registration is their combination which will result in a soft and pleasant sound).
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:48
@Charlie I've added that in the post. In short: the pipe organ has multiple registers (each kind of sound), and the registration is the combination of registers (in this particular case: the registers are Principal 8' and Flauta 8' and the registration is their combination which will result in a soft and pleasant sound).
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:48
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DISCLAIMER: I am not a professional musician, but I've received formal Music education and can play several instruments.
DISCLAIMER 2: I've edited my answer, as it initially discarded "registración" as wrong. It is not.
I've never ever heard the word "registración" used in Music; I don't think it even exists in Spanish. Well, I definitely have, now.
In Spanish, registro is the most common word to refer to the pitch and timbre used when playing an instrument (e.g. "registro agudo" for a high pitch). It has some other musical meanings as well:
registro
- m. Pieza movible del órgano, próxima a los teclados, por medio de la cual se modifica el timbre o la intensidad de los sonidos.
- m. Cada género de voces del órgano; p. ej., flautado mayor, menor, clarines, etc.
- m. Cada una de las tres grandes partes en que puede dividirse la escala musical. La escala musical consta de tres registros: grave, medio y agudo.
- m. Parte de la escala musical que se corresponde con la voz humana.
- m. En el clave, piano, etc., mecanismo que sirve para esforzar o apagar los sonidos.
As you can see, one of them (16) refers literally to "each of the voices of the organ; e.g. principal, flute, clarion, etc.", which is pretty close to what you mean. It also can mean (15) each of the knobs used to achieve these sounds.
Both of these, the voices and its controls, are usually called stops in English but, as you said in comments, the voices can also be called registers which is closer to Spanish.
But! You don't want to translate "register". You want to translate "registration", meaning the combination of stops selected for a given piece. And you are asking if registración is the right term. Is it?
The word registración is not found in the DLE, which is the "official" Spanish dictionary; and, having such an specific meaning, it cannot be counted among the myriad of words that are not included "because their meaning is easily understood".
Maybe because of this, "registration" is sometimes translated as registro too:
Registro es el otro nombre que designa a los juegos del órgano, por lo tanto, registrar es el arte de combinar los registros para alcanzar el sonido deseado. Registro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogido o especificado, tal como en “emplee un registro tenue” o un “registro a pleno”.
[emphasis mine]
This is OK, the meaning of "registro" in the last two examples is perfectly understood.
However, after careful search, it is indeed true that the word registración is used today in Spanish by specialized blogs and authors.
Maybe these are all people that faced this very same problem and decided to go with registración in their translation?
A Google Books search for "registración" órgano shows that original works in Spanish using the term go back to 1965 only, with a 35-years prior translation of Hugo Riemann's work being the oldest result. Meanwhile, a search for "registro" órgano returns some results from the 19th century which talk about registration without actually using the word registración.
Still, registración is the word of choice in the official curriculum for Organ Studies in conservatories:
Órgano
GRADO MEDIO
Objetivos
La enseñanza de órgano en el grado medio tendrá como objetivo contribuir a desarrollar en los alumnos las capacidades siguientes:
[...]
d) Conocer y utilizar en los distintos tipos de órgano la registración en función de la época y estilo de la música destinada a ellos.
You can't get much more official than that!
All in all, I think the translation given by Google Translate is (for once) just fine:
I played it choosing a soft registration of Principal 8’ and Flute 8’ with the hope to bring peace to each one that listens to it.
La interpreté eligiendo un registro suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' con la esperanza de traer paz a cada una de las personas que la escuchen.
Fine as in, people will understand you just right.
But if you want to be more precise, and/or your translation is aimed at people that know their way with a pipe organ, then registración is probably the right choice, as its use seems to be widespread among organ players and officially recognized — even if not by the RAE.
TL;DR: You can use registro to avoid using a word that most lay people would label as incorrect, but registración is the most exact translation and is currently used among organ professionals and scholars.
answered Jul 10 at 8:28
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Thanks for the answer, but I still doubt of this explanation because Cada género de voces del órgano means each register (that's the English word). So, in that case we would say: eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8' — But the registration is the combination of registers...
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:47
@IonicăBizău Oh, I see. I still haven't heard of "registración" in Spanish, but I'll look around later to see if there's a word for a combination of "registros". In the meantime, something like "combinación de registros" or even just the plural "registros" could work: "[...] eligiendo unos registros suaves de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' [...]"
– walen
Jul 10 at 12:24
@IonicăBizău After a lot more searching, I am now convinced that registración is OK. I edited my answer. Thanks!
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:24
After what I just learned, I might have a word with this guy and this other guy too...
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:26
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Recently some authors have started to use registración, but some continue to use selección de registro(s) (for example, see http://organeriamidi.net/chamberlain-como-seleccionar-los-registros-del-organo/. The traditional term is the safest, but the risk in using the more modern term doesn't seem terribly high.
Note: Registration in English is a convenient term that refers to a combination, or set, of choices of registers, analogous to terms in the strings world: bowing (how one arranges down bow and up bow, and the resulting style and articulation) and fingering (when to change position, and the resulting fluency in fast passages, and timbre in slow passages).
For your sentence, here are two proposals, equally valid:
La interpreté eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8', para dar un timbre suave y traer una sensación de paz al oyente.
En mi interpretación, eligí una registración suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8', esperando traer una sensación de paz a los oyentes.
Update responding to comment:
The title of the article I linked to is
CÓMO SELECCIONAR LOS REGISTROS DEL ÓRGANO
We can convert seleccionar los registros to selección de registros.
Note the additional articles listed at the end of the article:
Relacionado
Grapenthin: Seleccionando los Registros del Órgano
31/03/2014
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
Seleccionando los Registros del Órgano en el Repertorio Romántico
Alemán
04/05/2017
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
¿Cuáles son los principios básicos de la selección de los registros
del órgano?
27/07/2013
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
answered Jul 11 at 4:22
aparente001aparente001
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"Selección de registro" as a noun is not used even once in the article you linked to. The very first paragraph in that article saysRegistro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogidoand proceeds to use the word registro to mean "registration":Emplear registro pleno con el volumen bajo hace que el órgano suene falso,La mayoría de los himnos se tocan empleando un registro de coros,Algunos registros de solo frecuentes, etc.
– walen
Jul 11 at 15:35
@walen - Please see edit to post.
– aparente001
Jul 14 at 2:58
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DISCLAIMER: I am not a professional musician, but I've received formal Music education and can play several instruments.
DISCLAIMER 2: I've edited my answer, as it initially discarded "registración" as wrong. It is not.
I've never ever heard the word "registración" used in Music; I don't think it even exists in Spanish. Well, I definitely have, now.
In Spanish, registro is the most common word to refer to the pitch and timbre used when playing an instrument (e.g. "registro agudo" for a high pitch). It has some other musical meanings as well:
registro
- m. Pieza movible del órgano, próxima a los teclados, por medio de la cual se modifica el timbre o la intensidad de los sonidos.
- m. Cada género de voces del órgano; p. ej., flautado mayor, menor, clarines, etc.
- m. Cada una de las tres grandes partes en que puede dividirse la escala musical. La escala musical consta de tres registros: grave, medio y agudo.
- m. Parte de la escala musical que se corresponde con la voz humana.
- m. En el clave, piano, etc., mecanismo que sirve para esforzar o apagar los sonidos.
As you can see, one of them (16) refers literally to "each of the voices of the organ; e.g. principal, flute, clarion, etc.", which is pretty close to what you mean. It also can mean (15) each of the knobs used to achieve these sounds.
Both of these, the voices and its controls, are usually called stops in English but, as you said in comments, the voices can also be called registers which is closer to Spanish.
But! You don't want to translate "register". You want to translate "registration", meaning the combination of stops selected for a given piece. And you are asking if registración is the right term. Is it?
The word registración is not found in the DLE, which is the "official" Spanish dictionary; and, having such an specific meaning, it cannot be counted among the myriad of words that are not included "because their meaning is easily understood".
Maybe because of this, "registration" is sometimes translated as registro too:
Registro es el otro nombre que designa a los juegos del órgano, por lo tanto, registrar es el arte de combinar los registros para alcanzar el sonido deseado. Registro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogido o especificado, tal como en “emplee un registro tenue” o un “registro a pleno”.
[emphasis mine]
This is OK, the meaning of "registro" in the last two examples is perfectly understood.
However, after careful search, it is indeed true that the word registración is used today in Spanish by specialized blogs and authors.
Maybe these are all people that faced this very same problem and decided to go with registración in their translation?
A Google Books search for "registración" órgano shows that original works in Spanish using the term go back to 1965 only, with a 35-years prior translation of Hugo Riemann's work being the oldest result. Meanwhile, a search for "registro" órgano returns some results from the 19th century which talk about registration without actually using the word registración.
Still, registración is the word of choice in the official curriculum for Organ Studies in conservatories:
Órgano
GRADO MEDIO
Objetivos
La enseñanza de órgano en el grado medio tendrá como objetivo contribuir a desarrollar en los alumnos las capacidades siguientes:
[...]
d) Conocer y utilizar en los distintos tipos de órgano la registración en función de la época y estilo de la música destinada a ellos.
You can't get much more official than that!
All in all, I think the translation given by Google Translate is (for once) just fine:
I played it choosing a soft registration of Principal 8’ and Flute 8’ with the hope to bring peace to each one that listens to it.
La interpreté eligiendo un registro suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' con la esperanza de traer paz a cada una de las personas que la escuchen.
Fine as in, people will understand you just right.
But if you want to be more precise, and/or your translation is aimed at people that know their way with a pipe organ, then registración is probably the right choice, as its use seems to be widespread among organ players and officially recognized — even if not by the RAE.
TL;DR: You can use registro to avoid using a word that most lay people would label as incorrect, but registración is the most exact translation and is currently used among organ professionals and scholars.
answered Jul 10 at 8:28
walenwalen
19.2k4 gold badges28 silver badges98 bronze badges
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Thanks for the answer, but I still doubt of this explanation because Cada género de voces del órgano means each register (that's the English word). So, in that case we would say: eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8' — But the registration is the combination of registers...
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:47
@IonicăBizău Oh, I see. I still haven't heard of "registración" in Spanish, but I'll look around later to see if there's a word for a combination of "registros". In the meantime, something like "combinación de registros" or even just the plural "registros" could work: "[...] eligiendo unos registros suaves de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' [...]"
– walen
Jul 10 at 12:24
@IonicăBizău After a lot more searching, I am now convinced that registración is OK. I edited my answer. Thanks!
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:24
After what I just learned, I might have a word with this guy and this other guy too...
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:26
add a comment |
DISCLAIMER: I am not a professional musician, but I've received formal Music education and can play several instruments.
DISCLAIMER 2: I've edited my answer, as it initially discarded "registración" as wrong. It is not.
I've never ever heard the word "registración" used in Music; I don't think it even exists in Spanish. Well, I definitely have, now.
In Spanish, registro is the most common word to refer to the pitch and timbre used when playing an instrument (e.g. "registro agudo" for a high pitch). It has some other musical meanings as well:
registro
- m. Pieza movible del órgano, próxima a los teclados, por medio de la cual se modifica el timbre o la intensidad de los sonidos.
- m. Cada género de voces del órgano; p. ej., flautado mayor, menor, clarines, etc.
- m. Cada una de las tres grandes partes en que puede dividirse la escala musical. La escala musical consta de tres registros: grave, medio y agudo.
- m. Parte de la escala musical que se corresponde con la voz humana.
- m. En el clave, piano, etc., mecanismo que sirve para esforzar o apagar los sonidos.
As you can see, one of them (16) refers literally to "each of the voices of the organ; e.g. principal, flute, clarion, etc.", which is pretty close to what you mean. It also can mean (15) each of the knobs used to achieve these sounds.
Both of these, the voices and its controls, are usually called stops in English but, as you said in comments, the voices can also be called registers which is closer to Spanish.
But! You don't want to translate "register". You want to translate "registration", meaning the combination of stops selected for a given piece. And you are asking if registración is the right term. Is it?
The word registración is not found in the DLE, which is the "official" Spanish dictionary; and, having such an specific meaning, it cannot be counted among the myriad of words that are not included "because their meaning is easily understood".
Maybe because of this, "registration" is sometimes translated as registro too:
Registro es el otro nombre que designa a los juegos del órgano, por lo tanto, registrar es el arte de combinar los registros para alcanzar el sonido deseado. Registro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogido o especificado, tal como en “emplee un registro tenue” o un “registro a pleno”.
[emphasis mine]
This is OK, the meaning of "registro" in the last two examples is perfectly understood.
However, after careful search, it is indeed true that the word registración is used today in Spanish by specialized blogs and authors.
Maybe these are all people that faced this very same problem and decided to go with registración in their translation?
A Google Books search for "registración" órgano shows that original works in Spanish using the term go back to 1965 only, with a 35-years prior translation of Hugo Riemann's work being the oldest result. Meanwhile, a search for "registro" órgano returns some results from the 19th century which talk about registration without actually using the word registración.
Still, registración is the word of choice in the official curriculum for Organ Studies in conservatories:
Órgano
GRADO MEDIO
Objetivos
La enseñanza de órgano en el grado medio tendrá como objetivo contribuir a desarrollar en los alumnos las capacidades siguientes:
[...]
d) Conocer y utilizar en los distintos tipos de órgano la registración en función de la época y estilo de la música destinada a ellos.
You can't get much more official than that!
All in all, I think the translation given by Google Translate is (for once) just fine:
I played it choosing a soft registration of Principal 8’ and Flute 8’ with the hope to bring peace to each one that listens to it.
La interpreté eligiendo un registro suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' con la esperanza de traer paz a cada una de las personas que la escuchen.
Fine as in, people will understand you just right.
But if you want to be more precise, and/or your translation is aimed at people that know their way with a pipe organ, then registración is probably the right choice, as its use seems to be widespread among organ players and officially recognized — even if not by the RAE.
TL;DR: You can use registro to avoid using a word that most lay people would label as incorrect, but registración is the most exact translation and is currently used among organ professionals and scholars.
answered Jul 10 at 8:28
walenwalen
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Thanks for the answer, but I still doubt of this explanation because Cada género de voces del órgano means each register (that's the English word). So, in that case we would say: eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8' — But the registration is the combination of registers...
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:47
@IonicăBizău Oh, I see. I still haven't heard of "registración" in Spanish, but I'll look around later to see if there's a word for a combination of "registros". In the meantime, something like "combinación de registros" or even just the plural "registros" could work: "[...] eligiendo unos registros suaves de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' [...]"
– walen
Jul 10 at 12:24
@IonicăBizău After a lot more searching, I am now convinced that registración is OK. I edited my answer. Thanks!
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:24
After what I just learned, I might have a word with this guy and this other guy too...
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:26
add a comment |
DISCLAIMER: I am not a professional musician, but I've received formal Music education and can play several instruments.
DISCLAIMER 2: I've edited my answer, as it initially discarded "registración" as wrong. It is not.
I've never ever heard the word "registración" used in Music; I don't think it even exists in Spanish. Well, I definitely have, now.
In Spanish, registro is the most common word to refer to the pitch and timbre used when playing an instrument (e.g. "registro agudo" for a high pitch). It has some other musical meanings as well:
registro
- m. Pieza movible del órgano, próxima a los teclados, por medio de la cual se modifica el timbre o la intensidad de los sonidos.
- m. Cada género de voces del órgano; p. ej., flautado mayor, menor, clarines, etc.
- m. Cada una de las tres grandes partes en que puede dividirse la escala musical. La escala musical consta de tres registros: grave, medio y agudo.
- m. Parte de la escala musical que se corresponde con la voz humana.
- m. En el clave, piano, etc., mecanismo que sirve para esforzar o apagar los sonidos.
As you can see, one of them (16) refers literally to "each of the voices of the organ; e.g. principal, flute, clarion, etc.", which is pretty close to what you mean. It also can mean (15) each of the knobs used to achieve these sounds.
Both of these, the voices and its controls, are usually called stops in English but, as you said in comments, the voices can also be called registers which is closer to Spanish.
But! You don't want to translate "register". You want to translate "registration", meaning the combination of stops selected for a given piece. And you are asking if registración is the right term. Is it?
The word registración is not found in the DLE, which is the "official" Spanish dictionary; and, having such an specific meaning, it cannot be counted among the myriad of words that are not included "because their meaning is easily understood".
Maybe because of this, "registration" is sometimes translated as registro too:
Registro es el otro nombre que designa a los juegos del órgano, por lo tanto, registrar es el arte de combinar los registros para alcanzar el sonido deseado. Registro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogido o especificado, tal como en “emplee un registro tenue” o un “registro a pleno”.
[emphasis mine]
This is OK, the meaning of "registro" in the last two examples is perfectly understood.
However, after careful search, it is indeed true that the word registración is used today in Spanish by specialized blogs and authors.
Maybe these are all people that faced this very same problem and decided to go with registración in their translation?
A Google Books search for "registración" órgano shows that original works in Spanish using the term go back to 1965 only, with a 35-years prior translation of Hugo Riemann's work being the oldest result. Meanwhile, a search for "registro" órgano returns some results from the 19th century which talk about registration without actually using the word registración.
Still, registración is the word of choice in the official curriculum for Organ Studies in conservatories:
Órgano
GRADO MEDIO
Objetivos
La enseñanza de órgano en el grado medio tendrá como objetivo contribuir a desarrollar en los alumnos las capacidades siguientes:
[...]
d) Conocer y utilizar en los distintos tipos de órgano la registración en función de la época y estilo de la música destinada a ellos.
You can't get much more official than that!
All in all, I think the translation given by Google Translate is (for once) just fine:
I played it choosing a soft registration of Principal 8’ and Flute 8’ with the hope to bring peace to each one that listens to it.
La interpreté eligiendo un registro suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' con la esperanza de traer paz a cada una de las personas que la escuchen.
Fine as in, people will understand you just right.
But if you want to be more precise, and/or your translation is aimed at people that know their way with a pipe organ, then registración is probably the right choice, as its use seems to be widespread among organ players and officially recognized — even if not by the RAE.
TL;DR: You can use registro to avoid using a word that most lay people would label as incorrect, but registración is the most exact translation and is currently used among organ professionals and scholars.
answered Jul 10 at 8:28
walenwalen
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DISCLAIMER: I am not a professional musician, but I've received formal Music education and can play several instruments.
DISCLAIMER 2: I've edited my answer, as it initially discarded "registración" as wrong. It is not.
I've never ever heard the word "registración" used in Music; I don't think it even exists in Spanish. Well, I definitely have, now.
In Spanish, registro is the most common word to refer to the pitch and timbre used when playing an instrument (e.g. "registro agudo" for a high pitch). It has some other musical meanings as well:
registro
- m. Pieza movible del órgano, próxima a los teclados, por medio de la cual se modifica el timbre o la intensidad de los sonidos.
- m. Cada género de voces del órgano; p. ej., flautado mayor, menor, clarines, etc.
- m. Cada una de las tres grandes partes en que puede dividirse la escala musical. La escala musical consta de tres registros: grave, medio y agudo.
- m. Parte de la escala musical que se corresponde con la voz humana.
- m. En el clave, piano, etc., mecanismo que sirve para esforzar o apagar los sonidos.
As you can see, one of them (16) refers literally to "each of the voices of the organ; e.g. principal, flute, clarion, etc.", which is pretty close to what you mean. It also can mean (15) each of the knobs used to achieve these sounds.
Both of these, the voices and its controls, are usually called stops in English but, as you said in comments, the voices can also be called registers which is closer to Spanish.
But! You don't want to translate "register". You want to translate "registration", meaning the combination of stops selected for a given piece. And you are asking if registración is the right term. Is it?
The word registración is not found in the DLE, which is the "official" Spanish dictionary; and, having such an specific meaning, it cannot be counted among the myriad of words that are not included "because their meaning is easily understood".
Maybe because of this, "registration" is sometimes translated as registro too:
Registro es el otro nombre que designa a los juegos del órgano, por lo tanto, registrar es el arte de combinar los registros para alcanzar el sonido deseado. Registro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogido o especificado, tal como en “emplee un registro tenue” o un “registro a pleno”.
[emphasis mine]
This is OK, the meaning of "registro" in the last two examples is perfectly understood.
However, after careful search, it is indeed true that the word registración is used today in Spanish by specialized blogs and authors.
Maybe these are all people that faced this very same problem and decided to go with registración in their translation?
A Google Books search for "registración" órgano shows that original works in Spanish using the term go back to 1965 only, with a 35-years prior translation of Hugo Riemann's work being the oldest result. Meanwhile, a search for "registro" órgano returns some results from the 19th century which talk about registration without actually using the word registración.
Still, registración is the word of choice in the official curriculum for Organ Studies in conservatories:
Órgano
GRADO MEDIO
Objetivos
La enseñanza de órgano en el grado medio tendrá como objetivo contribuir a desarrollar en los alumnos las capacidades siguientes:
[...]
d) Conocer y utilizar en los distintos tipos de órgano la registración en función de la época y estilo de la música destinada a ellos.
You can't get much more official than that!
All in all, I think the translation given by Google Translate is (for once) just fine:
I played it choosing a soft registration of Principal 8’ and Flute 8’ with the hope to bring peace to each one that listens to it.
La interpreté eligiendo un registro suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' con la esperanza de traer paz a cada una de las personas que la escuchen.
Fine as in, people will understand you just right.
But if you want to be more precise, and/or your translation is aimed at people that know their way with a pipe organ, then registración is probably the right choice, as its use seems to be widespread among organ players and officially recognized — even if not by the RAE.
TL;DR: You can use registro to avoid using a word that most lay people would label as incorrect, but registración is the most exact translation and is currently used among organ professionals and scholars.
answered Jul 10 at 8:28
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Thanks for the answer, but I still doubt of this explanation because Cada género de voces del órgano means each register (that's the English word). So, in that case we would say: eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8' — But the registration is the combination of registers...
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:47
@IonicăBizău Oh, I see. I still haven't heard of "registración" in Spanish, but I'll look around later to see if there's a word for a combination of "registros". In the meantime, something like "combinación de registros" or even just the plural "registros" could work: "[...] eligiendo unos registros suaves de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' [...]"
– walen
Jul 10 at 12:24
@IonicăBizău After a lot more searching, I am now convinced that registración is OK. I edited my answer. Thanks!
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:24
After what I just learned, I might have a word with this guy and this other guy too...
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:26
add a comment |
1
Thanks for the answer, but I still doubt of this explanation because Cada género de voces del órgano means each register (that's the English word). So, in that case we would say: eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8' — But the registration is the combination of registers...
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:47
@IonicăBizău Oh, I see. I still haven't heard of "registración" in Spanish, but I'll look around later to see if there's a word for a combination of "registros". In the meantime, something like "combinación de registros" or even just the plural "registros" could work: "[...] eligiendo unos registros suaves de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' [...]"
– walen
Jul 10 at 12:24
@IonicăBizău After a lot more searching, I am now convinced that registración is OK. I edited my answer. Thanks!
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:24
After what I just learned, I might have a word with this guy and this other guy too...
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:26
1
1
Thanks for the answer, but I still doubt of this explanation because Cada género de voces del órgano means each register (that's the English word). So, in that case we would say: eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8' — But the registration is the combination of registers...
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:47
Thanks for the answer, but I still doubt of this explanation because Cada género de voces del órgano means each register (that's the English word). So, in that case we would say: eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8' — But the registration is the combination of registers...
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:47
@IonicăBizău Oh, I see. I still haven't heard of "registración" in Spanish, but I'll look around later to see if there's a word for a combination of "registros". In the meantime, something like "combinación de registros" or even just the plural "registros" could work: "[...] eligiendo unos registros suaves de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' [...]"
– walen
Jul 10 at 12:24
@IonicăBizău Oh, I see. I still haven't heard of "registración" in Spanish, but I'll look around later to see if there's a word for a combination of "registros". In the meantime, something like "combinación de registros" or even just the plural "registros" could work: "[...] eligiendo unos registros suaves de Principal 8' y Flauta 8' [...]"
– walen
Jul 10 at 12:24
@IonicăBizău After a lot more searching, I am now convinced that registración is OK. I edited my answer. Thanks!
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:24
@IonicăBizău After a lot more searching, I am now convinced that registración is OK. I edited my answer. Thanks!
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:24
After what I just learned, I might have a word with this guy and this other guy too...
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:26
After what I just learned, I might have a word with this guy and this other guy too...
– walen
Jul 10 at 18:26
add a comment |
Recently some authors have started to use registración, but some continue to use selección de registro(s) (for example, see http://organeriamidi.net/chamberlain-como-seleccionar-los-registros-del-organo/. The traditional term is the safest, but the risk in using the more modern term doesn't seem terribly high.
Note: Registration in English is a convenient term that refers to a combination, or set, of choices of registers, analogous to terms in the strings world: bowing (how one arranges down bow and up bow, and the resulting style and articulation) and fingering (when to change position, and the resulting fluency in fast passages, and timbre in slow passages).
For your sentence, here are two proposals, equally valid:
La interpreté eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8', para dar un timbre suave y traer una sensación de paz al oyente.
En mi interpretación, eligí una registración suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8', esperando traer una sensación de paz a los oyentes.
Update responding to comment:
The title of the article I linked to is
CÓMO SELECCIONAR LOS REGISTROS DEL ÓRGANO
We can convert seleccionar los registros to selección de registros.
Note the additional articles listed at the end of the article:
Relacionado
Grapenthin: Seleccionando los Registros del Órgano
31/03/2014
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
Seleccionando los Registros del Órgano en el Repertorio Romántico
Alemán
04/05/2017
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
¿Cuáles son los principios básicos de la selección de los registros
del órgano?
27/07/2013
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
answered Jul 11 at 4:22
aparente001aparente001
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"Selección de registro" as a noun is not used even once in the article you linked to. The very first paragraph in that article saysRegistro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogidoand proceeds to use the word registro to mean "registration":Emplear registro pleno con el volumen bajo hace que el órgano suene falso,La mayoría de los himnos se tocan empleando un registro de coros,Algunos registros de solo frecuentes, etc.
– walen
Jul 11 at 15:35
@walen - Please see edit to post.
– aparente001
Jul 14 at 2:58
add a comment |
Recently some authors have started to use registración, but some continue to use selección de registro(s) (for example, see http://organeriamidi.net/chamberlain-como-seleccionar-los-registros-del-organo/. The traditional term is the safest, but the risk in using the more modern term doesn't seem terribly high.
Note: Registration in English is a convenient term that refers to a combination, or set, of choices of registers, analogous to terms in the strings world: bowing (how one arranges down bow and up bow, and the resulting style and articulation) and fingering (when to change position, and the resulting fluency in fast passages, and timbre in slow passages).
For your sentence, here are two proposals, equally valid:
La interpreté eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8', para dar un timbre suave y traer una sensación de paz al oyente.
En mi interpretación, eligí una registración suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8', esperando traer una sensación de paz a los oyentes.
Update responding to comment:
The title of the article I linked to is
CÓMO SELECCIONAR LOS REGISTROS DEL ÓRGANO
We can convert seleccionar los registros to selección de registros.
Note the additional articles listed at the end of the article:
Relacionado
Grapenthin: Seleccionando los Registros del Órgano
31/03/2014
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
Seleccionando los Registros del Órgano en el Repertorio Romántico
Alemán
04/05/2017
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
¿Cuáles son los principios básicos de la selección de los registros
del órgano?
27/07/2013
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
answered Jul 11 at 4:22
aparente001aparente001
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"Selección de registro" as a noun is not used even once in the article you linked to. The very first paragraph in that article saysRegistro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogidoand proceeds to use the word registro to mean "registration":Emplear registro pleno con el volumen bajo hace que el órgano suene falso,La mayoría de los himnos se tocan empleando un registro de coros,Algunos registros de solo frecuentes, etc.
– walen
Jul 11 at 15:35
@walen - Please see edit to post.
– aparente001
Jul 14 at 2:58
add a comment |
Recently some authors have started to use registración, but some continue to use selección de registro(s) (for example, see http://organeriamidi.net/chamberlain-como-seleccionar-los-registros-del-organo/. The traditional term is the safest, but the risk in using the more modern term doesn't seem terribly high.
Note: Registration in English is a convenient term that refers to a combination, or set, of choices of registers, analogous to terms in the strings world: bowing (how one arranges down bow and up bow, and the resulting style and articulation) and fingering (when to change position, and the resulting fluency in fast passages, and timbre in slow passages).
For your sentence, here are two proposals, equally valid:
La interpreté eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8', para dar un timbre suave y traer una sensación de paz al oyente.
En mi interpretación, eligí una registración suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8', esperando traer una sensación de paz a los oyentes.
Update responding to comment:
The title of the article I linked to is
CÓMO SELECCIONAR LOS REGISTROS DEL ÓRGANO
We can convert seleccionar los registros to selección de registros.
Note the additional articles listed at the end of the article:
Relacionado
Grapenthin: Seleccionando los Registros del Órgano
31/03/2014
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
Seleccionando los Registros del Órgano en el Repertorio Romántico
Alemán
04/05/2017
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
¿Cuáles son los principios básicos de la selección de los registros
del órgano?
27/07/2013
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
answered Jul 11 at 4:22
aparente001aparente001
6,5854 gold badges15 silver badges37 bronze badges
Recently some authors have started to use registración, but some continue to use selección de registro(s) (for example, see http://organeriamidi.net/chamberlain-como-seleccionar-los-registros-del-organo/. The traditional term is the safest, but the risk in using the more modern term doesn't seem terribly high.
Note: Registration in English is a convenient term that refers to a combination, or set, of choices of registers, analogous to terms in the strings world: bowing (how one arranges down bow and up bow, and the resulting style and articulation) and fingering (when to change position, and the resulting fluency in fast passages, and timbre in slow passages).
For your sentence, here are two proposals, equally valid:
La interpreté eligiendo los registros Principal 8' y Flauta 8', para dar un timbre suave y traer una sensación de paz al oyente.
En mi interpretación, eligí una registración suave de Principal 8' y Flauta 8', esperando traer una sensación de paz a los oyentes.
Update responding to comment:
The title of the article I linked to is
CÓMO SELECCIONAR LOS REGISTROS DEL ÓRGANO
We can convert seleccionar los registros to selección de registros.
Note the additional articles listed at the end of the article:
Relacionado
Grapenthin: Seleccionando los Registros del Órgano
31/03/2014
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
Seleccionando los Registros del Órgano en el Repertorio Romántico
Alemán
04/05/2017
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
¿Cuáles son los principios básicos de la selección de los registros
del órgano?
27/07/2013
En "LECCIONES DE ÓRGANO"
answered Jul 11 at 4:22
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edited Jul 14 at 2:58
answered Jul 11 at 4:22
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"Selección de registro" as a noun is not used even once in the article you linked to. The very first paragraph in that article saysRegistro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogidoand proceeds to use the word registro to mean "registration":Emplear registro pleno con el volumen bajo hace que el órgano suene falso,La mayoría de los himnos se tocan empleando un registro de coros,Algunos registros de solo frecuentes, etc.
– walen
Jul 11 at 15:35
@walen - Please see edit to post.
– aparente001
Jul 14 at 2:58
add a comment |
"Selección de registro" as a noun is not used even once in the article you linked to. The very first paragraph in that article saysRegistro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogidoand proceeds to use the word registro to mean "registration":Emplear registro pleno con el volumen bajo hace que el órgano suene falso,La mayoría de los himnos se tocan empleando un registro de coros,Algunos registros de solo frecuentes, etc.
– walen
Jul 11 at 15:35
@walen - Please see edit to post.
– aparente001
Jul 14 at 2:58
"Selección de registro" as a noun is not used even once in the article you linked to. The very first paragraph in that article says
Registro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogido and proceeds to use the word registro to mean "registration": Emplear registro pleno con el volumen bajo hace que el órgano suene falso, La mayoría de los himnos se tocan empleando un registro de coros, Algunos registros de solo frecuentes, etc.– walen
Jul 11 at 15:35
"Selección de registro" as a noun is not used even once in the article you linked to. The very first paragraph in that article says
Registro también significa la combinación de juegos que se hayan escogido and proceeds to use the word registro to mean "registration": Emplear registro pleno con el volumen bajo hace que el órgano suene falso, La mayoría de los himnos se tocan empleando un registro de coros, Algunos registros de solo frecuentes, etc.– walen
Jul 11 at 15:35
@walen - Please see edit to post.
– aparente001
Jul 14 at 2:58
@walen - Please see edit to post.
– aparente001
Jul 14 at 2:58
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Hello, Ionică Bizău, and welcome to Spanish Language! That's a nicely-posed first question, but I personally would like to know what's exactly a "registration" in English, in order to find the proper word in Spanish. Would you mind to add an English description of the word? Note also that "registración" does not exist in Spanish, so maybe we'll need to find another word.
– Charlie
Jul 10 at 8:22
Notice that @walen has removed correctly the pronoun "Yo" from your translation. Adding that pronoun in Spanish is redudant because the verbe tense already provides that information. You can use it to add emphasis in the person executing the action, in the same sense that you add the verb "do" in English. "I did play it"
– RubioRic
Jul 10 at 10:30
@Charlie I've added that in the post. In short: the pipe organ has multiple registers (each kind of sound), and the registration is the combination of registers (in this particular case: the registers are Principal 8' and Flauta 8' and the registration is their combination which will result in a soft and pleasant sound).
– Ionică Bizău
Jul 10 at 11:48