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What advantages do focused Arrows of Slaying have over more generic ones?


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I was looking at the arrow of slaying magic item and part of it intrigued me (bold for emphasis mine):




Some are more focused than others; for example, there are both arrows of dragon slaying and arrows of blue dragon slaying.




Is there any mechanical benefit from having a more focused arrow?



As it doesn't impact extra damage from the magic of the arrow, I don't get what the advantages would be of having more focused arrows.



The only thing I came up with, is that these arrows are not to be created by players, but more often found as loot/treasures. Given that, a more focused target will restrain the number of situations where the player can use it efficiently.



Is there any benefit I missed?



Note that I am asking about the mechanical benefits that more focused arrows might have over more generic arrows, not about designer reasons for why these kinds of arrows exist.










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I was looking at the arrow of slaying magic item and part of it intrigued me (bold for emphasis mine):




Some are more focused than others; for example, there are both arrows of dragon slaying and arrows of blue dragon slaying.




Is there any mechanical benefit from having a more focused arrow?



As it doesn't impact extra damage from the magic of the arrow, I don't get what the advantages would be of having more focused arrows.



The only thing I came up with, is that these arrows are not to be created by players, but more often found as loot/treasures. Given that, a more focused target will restrain the number of situations where the player can use it efficiently.



Is there any benefit I missed?



Note that I am asking about the mechanical benefits that more focused arrows might have over more generic arrows, not about designer reasons for why these kinds of arrows exist.










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    By "mechanical benefit" do you mean you're ignoring the issue of availability? This feels a little like asking why anyone wears +1 armor when +2 armor is just better.
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I was looking at the arrow of slaying magic item and part of it intrigued me (bold for emphasis mine):




Some are more focused than others; for example, there are both arrows of dragon slaying and arrows of blue dragon slaying.




Is there any mechanical benefit from having a more focused arrow?



As it doesn't impact extra damage from the magic of the arrow, I don't get what the advantages would be of having more focused arrows.



The only thing I came up with, is that these arrows are not to be created by players, but more often found as loot/treasures. Given that, a more focused target will restrain the number of situations where the player can use it efficiently.



Is there any benefit I missed?



Note that I am asking about the mechanical benefits that more focused arrows might have over more generic arrows, not about designer reasons for why these kinds of arrows exist.










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I was looking at the arrow of slaying magic item and part of it intrigued me (bold for emphasis mine):




Some are more focused than others; for example, there are both arrows of dragon slaying and arrows of blue dragon slaying.




Is there any mechanical benefit from having a more focused arrow?



As it doesn't impact extra damage from the magic of the arrow, I don't get what the advantages would be of having more focused arrows.



The only thing I came up with, is that these arrows are not to be created by players, but more often found as loot/treasures. Given that, a more focused target will restrain the number of situations where the player can use it efficiently.



Is there any benefit I missed?



Note that I am asking about the mechanical benefits that more focused arrows might have over more generic arrows, not about designer reasons for why these kinds of arrows exist.







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Not everybody who crafts a magical item is equal. If some ancient riverside civilization was tormented by a black dragon named Smog, they may very well task one of their greatest bardsmiths to make an arrow to deal with the creature. Said bardsmith may very well go "Okay, I need to make an item that works great against black dragons!" and focus on that concept, never figuring that there'd be any reason to make the arrow work equally well against green dragons.



If you as a DM hand out a quiver of Arrows of Black Dragon Slaying, or perhaps even Arrows of Smog Slaying, you're essentially telling a bit of a lore story on the items found. It makes the item less useful to the party in general, but if it later turns out that Smog is still alive and your bard is a long-lost descendant of the old bardsmith, the item suddenly has a lot more meaning.



Inter-dragon conflicts



Smog needs to be brought down, everybody knows that, even Blue the Blue Dragon. Blue wants his kobolds to have the best possible chance to bring down Smog, but he doesn't want the kobolds to pose a risk to himself. Instead of making them all Arrows of Dragon Slaying, which could be used against himself, he instead gives them Arrows of Black Dragon Slaying. Now his minions are more useful against his nemesis Smog, but they don't pose more of a risk to Blue.






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    @DarthPseudonym Possibly, or a smith who wields bards to improve equipment. Or a smith who smiths by singing to the metal. It doesn't really matter, but it'll sure make your players curious.
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    Did you mean inter-dragon conflicts? Or are Blue and Smog actually aspects of the same being, constantly at war with itself? Hmm, that might actually make for a pretty interesting story.
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Theik provides a very nice example, but in general, the mechanical implications are in limiting the use of the arrow.



A DM may simply not want it to be more general use and plans(hopes?) you use it in a very specific situation where you'll really need it. There can be many reasons for this, but the mechanical benefit is more for the DM to dictate when it can be used rather a mechanical benefit for a creature.



However, one could say that the mechanical benefit is to help guarantee it's use when the specific need arises and not just when the creature has a general opportunity.






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    Not everybody who crafts a magical item is equal. If some ancient riverside civilization was tormented by a black dragon named Smog, they may very well task one of their greatest bardsmiths to make an arrow to deal with the creature. Said bardsmith may very well go "Okay, I need to make an item that works great against black dragons!" and focus on that concept, never figuring that there'd be any reason to make the arrow work equally well against green dragons.



    If you as a DM hand out a quiver of Arrows of Black Dragon Slaying, or perhaps even Arrows of Smog Slaying, you're essentially telling a bit of a lore story on the items found. It makes the item less useful to the party in general, but if it later turns out that Smog is still alive and your bard is a long-lost descendant of the old bardsmith, the item suddenly has a lot more meaning.



    Inter-dragon conflicts



    Smog needs to be brought down, everybody knows that, even Blue the Blue Dragon. Blue wants his kobolds to have the best possible chance to bring down Smog, but he doesn't want the kobolds to pose a risk to himself. Instead of making them all Arrows of Dragon Slaying, which could be used against himself, he instead gives them Arrows of Black Dragon Slaying. Now his minions are more useful against his nemesis Smog, but they don't pose more of a risk to Blue.






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      @DarthPseudonym Possibly, or a smith who wields bards to improve equipment. Or a smith who smiths by singing to the metal. It doesn't really matter, but it'll sure make your players curious.
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      Did you mean inter-dragon conflicts? Or are Blue and Smog actually aspects of the same being, constantly at war with itself? Hmm, that might actually make for a pretty interesting story.
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    Not everybody who crafts a magical item is equal. If some ancient riverside civilization was tormented by a black dragon named Smog, they may very well task one of their greatest bardsmiths to make an arrow to deal with the creature. Said bardsmith may very well go "Okay, I need to make an item that works great against black dragons!" and focus on that concept, never figuring that there'd be any reason to make the arrow work equally well against green dragons.



    If you as a DM hand out a quiver of Arrows of Black Dragon Slaying, or perhaps even Arrows of Smog Slaying, you're essentially telling a bit of a lore story on the items found. It makes the item less useful to the party in general, but if it later turns out that Smog is still alive and your bard is a long-lost descendant of the old bardsmith, the item suddenly has a lot more meaning.



    Inter-dragon conflicts



    Smog needs to be brought down, everybody knows that, even Blue the Blue Dragon. Blue wants his kobolds to have the best possible chance to bring down Smog, but he doesn't want the kobolds to pose a risk to himself. Instead of making them all Arrows of Dragon Slaying, which could be used against himself, he instead gives them Arrows of Black Dragon Slaying. Now his minions are more useful against his nemesis Smog, but they don't pose more of a risk to Blue.






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      Is a bardsmith a person who uses a hammer and anvil to make and improve bards?
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      $begingroup$
      @DarthPseudonym Possibly, or a smith who wields bards to improve equipment. Or a smith who smiths by singing to the metal. It doesn't really matter, but it'll sure make your players curious.
      $endgroup$
      – Theik
      Jul 16 at 13:58






    • 2




      $begingroup$
      Did you mean inter-dragon conflicts? Or are Blue and Smog actually aspects of the same being, constantly at war with itself? Hmm, that might actually make for a pretty interesting story.
      $endgroup$
      – Ruther Rendommeleigh
      Jul 16 at 14:10







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      @RutherRendommeleigh As interesting as a split personality dragon might be, I did indeed mean inter-dragon, as in between dragons.
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    Not everybody who crafts a magical item is equal. If some ancient riverside civilization was tormented by a black dragon named Smog, they may very well task one of their greatest bardsmiths to make an arrow to deal with the creature. Said bardsmith may very well go "Okay, I need to make an item that works great against black dragons!" and focus on that concept, never figuring that there'd be any reason to make the arrow work equally well against green dragons.



    If you as a DM hand out a quiver of Arrows of Black Dragon Slaying, or perhaps even Arrows of Smog Slaying, you're essentially telling a bit of a lore story on the items found. It makes the item less useful to the party in general, but if it later turns out that Smog is still alive and your bard is a long-lost descendant of the old bardsmith, the item suddenly has a lot more meaning.



    Inter-dragon conflicts



    Smog needs to be brought down, everybody knows that, even Blue the Blue Dragon. Blue wants his kobolds to have the best possible chance to bring down Smog, but he doesn't want the kobolds to pose a risk to himself. Instead of making them all Arrows of Dragon Slaying, which could be used against himself, he instead gives them Arrows of Black Dragon Slaying. Now his minions are more useful against his nemesis Smog, but they don't pose more of a risk to Blue.






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    Lore and In-Universe Story Support



    Not everybody who crafts a magical item is equal. If some ancient riverside civilization was tormented by a black dragon named Smog, they may very well task one of their greatest bardsmiths to make an arrow to deal with the creature. Said bardsmith may very well go "Okay, I need to make an item that works great against black dragons!" and focus on that concept, never figuring that there'd be any reason to make the arrow work equally well against green dragons.



    If you as a DM hand out a quiver of Arrows of Black Dragon Slaying, or perhaps even Arrows of Smog Slaying, you're essentially telling a bit of a lore story on the items found. It makes the item less useful to the party in general, but if it later turns out that Smog is still alive and your bard is a long-lost descendant of the old bardsmith, the item suddenly has a lot more meaning.



    Inter-dragon conflicts



    Smog needs to be brought down, everybody knows that, even Blue the Blue Dragon. Blue wants his kobolds to have the best possible chance to bring down Smog, but he doesn't want the kobolds to pose a risk to himself. Instead of making them all Arrows of Dragon Slaying, which could be used against himself, he instead gives them Arrows of Black Dragon Slaying. Now his minions are more useful against his nemesis Smog, but they don't pose more of a risk to Blue.







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      @DarthPseudonym Possibly, or a smith who wields bards to improve equipment. Or a smith who smiths by singing to the metal. It doesn't really matter, but it'll sure make your players curious.
      $endgroup$
      – Theik
      Jul 16 at 13:58






    • 2




      $begingroup$
      Did you mean inter-dragon conflicts? Or are Blue and Smog actually aspects of the same being, constantly at war with itself? Hmm, that might actually make for a pretty interesting story.
      $endgroup$
      – Ruther Rendommeleigh
      Jul 16 at 14:10







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      Is a bardsmith a person who uses a hammer and anvil to make and improve bards?
      $endgroup$
      – Darth Pseudonym
      Jul 16 at 13:54






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      $begingroup$
      @DarthPseudonym Possibly, or a smith who wields bards to improve equipment. Or a smith who smiths by singing to the metal. It doesn't really matter, but it'll sure make your players curious.
      $endgroup$
      – Theik
      Jul 16 at 13:58






    • 2




      $begingroup$
      Did you mean inter-dragon conflicts? Or are Blue and Smog actually aspects of the same being, constantly at war with itself? Hmm, that might actually make for a pretty interesting story.
      $endgroup$
      – Ruther Rendommeleigh
      Jul 16 at 14:10







    • 3




      $begingroup$
      @RutherRendommeleigh As interesting as a split personality dragon might be, I did indeed mean inter-dragon, as in between dragons.
      $endgroup$
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    @DarthPseudonym Possibly, or a smith who wields bards to improve equipment. Or a smith who smiths by singing to the metal. It doesn't really matter, but it'll sure make your players curious.
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    – Theik
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    $begingroup$
    @DarthPseudonym Possibly, or a smith who wields bards to improve equipment. Or a smith who smiths by singing to the metal. It doesn't really matter, but it'll sure make your players curious.
    $endgroup$
    – Theik
    Jul 16 at 13:58




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    Did you mean inter-dragon conflicts? Or are Blue and Smog actually aspects of the same being, constantly at war with itself? Hmm, that might actually make for a pretty interesting story.
    $endgroup$
    – Ruther Rendommeleigh
    Jul 16 at 14:10





    $begingroup$
    Did you mean inter-dragon conflicts? Or are Blue and Smog actually aspects of the same being, constantly at war with itself? Hmm, that might actually make for a pretty interesting story.
    $endgroup$
    – Ruther Rendommeleigh
    Jul 16 at 14:10





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    @RutherRendommeleigh As interesting as a split personality dragon might be, I did indeed mean inter-dragon, as in between dragons.
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    $begingroup$
    @RutherRendommeleigh As interesting as a split personality dragon might be, I did indeed mean inter-dragon, as in between dragons.
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    Theik provides a very nice example, but in general, the mechanical implications are in limiting the use of the arrow.



    A DM may simply not want it to be more general use and plans(hopes?) you use it in a very specific situation where you'll really need it. There can be many reasons for this, but the mechanical benefit is more for the DM to dictate when it can be used rather a mechanical benefit for a creature.



    However, one could say that the mechanical benefit is to help guarantee it's use when the specific need arises and not just when the creature has a general opportunity.






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      Scope limitations



      Theik provides a very nice example, but in general, the mechanical implications are in limiting the use of the arrow.



      A DM may simply not want it to be more general use and plans(hopes?) you use it in a very specific situation where you'll really need it. There can be many reasons for this, but the mechanical benefit is more for the DM to dictate when it can be used rather a mechanical benefit for a creature.



      However, one could say that the mechanical benefit is to help guarantee it's use when the specific need arises and not just when the creature has a general opportunity.






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        Scope limitations



        Theik provides a very nice example, but in general, the mechanical implications are in limiting the use of the arrow.



        A DM may simply not want it to be more general use and plans(hopes?) you use it in a very specific situation where you'll really need it. There can be many reasons for this, but the mechanical benefit is more for the DM to dictate when it can be used rather a mechanical benefit for a creature.



        However, one could say that the mechanical benefit is to help guarantee it's use when the specific need arises and not just when the creature has a general opportunity.






        share|improve this answer









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        Scope limitations



        Theik provides a very nice example, but in general, the mechanical implications are in limiting the use of the arrow.



        A DM may simply not want it to be more general use and plans(hopes?) you use it in a very specific situation where you'll really need it. There can be many reasons for this, but the mechanical benefit is more for the DM to dictate when it can be used rather a mechanical benefit for a creature.



        However, one could say that the mechanical benefit is to help guarantee it's use when the specific need arises and not just when the creature has a general opportunity.







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