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If an arcane trickster rogue uses his mage hand and makes it invisible, does that mean anything the hand picks up is also invisible? [duplicate]

Does an Arcane Trickster's Invisible Mage Hand Conceal Objects It Carries?What is the source of the “spells do only what they say they do” rules interpretation principle?Can any spellcaster use Mage Hand to perform a Sleight of Hand check?Can you move your Mage Hand and use Versatile Trickster at the same time?Does an Arcane Trickster's Invisible Mage Hand Conceal Objects It Carries?Is Mage Hand Legerdemain an automatic success and you only roll to check if you are noticed?Would creating a custom legerdemain feat have any serious balance issues?Can an Arcane Trickster's Mage Hand be used in closed containers?Can an Arcane Trickster use Mage Hand Legerdemain to steal the bolt out of a crossbow?Mage Hand Legerdemain vs Fast HandsCan an Arcane Trickster rogue use Gloves of Thievery with the Mage Hand Legerdemain feature?Can the Mage Hand cantrip be used to pull someone's pants down as a prank?

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From the PHB (emphasis mine):

Starting at 3rd level, when you cast Mage Hand, you can make the
spectral hand invisible, and you can perform the following additional
tasks with it:

• You can stow one object the hand is holding in a
container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can retrieve an
object in a container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can
use thieves' tools to pick locks and disarm traps at range.

You can perform one of these tasks without being noticed by a creature if you
succeed on a Dexterity (Sleight of Hand) check contested by the
creature's Wisdom (Perception) check. In addition, you can use the
bonus action granted by your Cunning Action to control the hand.

And the invisibility spell (emphasis mine):

A creature you touch becomes invisible until the spell ends. Anything
the target is wearing or carrying is invisible as long as it is on the
target’s person. The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a
spell.

I know the spell is slightly different but it’s the most comparable thing I could find.

For example:

• I lift some jail keys off of a guard and then turn the hand invisible.




• I grab 3 platinum coins off the mayor’s desk when I think no one is watching and close the hand around them so they’re totally inside the fist.




• I give the hand a lockpick and pick a lock from across a crowded room.

In which of these situations (if any) would the objects be visible?

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Context of the question: I'm the Rogue player, not the not DM. I view the mage hand for the arcane trickster as a type of highly specialized familiar because I can summon or dismiss it a will, and I can "command" it to do some simple tasks. But I'm fairly new and inexperienced so I might be looking at it wrong. My reason for posting the question was to see if I am missing something that should have been obvious, or if there was room to play around with this class feature.

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  @KorvinStarmast, I appreciate the advice. To be honest, my main reason for posting the question was to see if people would come and point out something that should have been obvious or if there was room to play around with it. But I think it's been answered.
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This question already has an answer here:

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  Does an Arcane Trickster's Invisible Mage Hand Conceal Objects It Carries?
  
  4 answers
  
  

From the PHB (emphasis mine):

Starting at 3rd level, when you cast Mage Hand, you can make the
spectral hand invisible, and you can perform the following additional
tasks with it:

• You can stow one object the hand is holding in a
container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can retrieve an
object in a container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can
use thieves' tools to pick locks and disarm traps at range.

You can perform one of these tasks without being noticed by a creature if you
succeed on a Dexterity (Sleight of Hand) check contested by the
creature's Wisdom (Perception) check. In addition, you can use the
bonus action granted by your Cunning Action to control the hand.

And the invisibility spell (emphasis mine):

A creature you touch becomes invisible until the spell ends. Anything
the target is wearing or carrying is invisible as long as it is on the
target’s person. The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a
spell.

I know the spell is slightly different but it’s the most comparable thing I could find.

For example:

• I lift some jail keys off of a guard and then turn the hand invisible.




• I grab 3 platinum coins off the mayor’s desk when I think no one is watching and close the hand around them so they’re totally inside the fist.




• I give the hand a lockpick and pick a lock from across a crowded room.

In which of these situations (if any) would the objects be visible?

---

Context of the question: I'm the Rogue player, not the not DM. I view the mage hand for the arcane trickster as a type of highly specialized familiar because I can summon or dismiss it a will, and I can "command" it to do some simple tasks. But I'm fairly new and inexperienced so I might be looking at it wrong. My reason for posting the question was to see if I am missing something that should have been obvious, or if there was room to play around with this class feature.

dnd-5e class-feature rogue cantrips invisibility

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  @KorvinStarmast, I appreciate the advice. To be honest, my main reason for posting the question was to see if people would come and point out something that should have been obvious or if there was room to play around with it. But I think it's been answered.
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  @Tophandour Yeah, that's an exact duplicate of the my question. I'm honestly curious how I didn't see that before. Thanks.
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add a comment | 

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This question already has an answer here:

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  Does an Arcane Trickster's Invisible Mage Hand Conceal Objects It Carries?
  
  4 answers
  
  

From the PHB (emphasis mine):

Starting at 3rd level, when you cast Mage Hand, you can make the
spectral hand invisible, and you can perform the following additional
tasks with it:

• You can stow one object the hand is holding in a
container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can retrieve an
object in a container worn or carried by another creature.

• You can
use thieves' tools to pick locks and disarm traps at range.

You can perform one of these tasks without being noticed by a creature if you
succeed on a Dexterity (Sleight of Hand) check contested by the
creature's Wisdom (Perception) check. In addition, you can use the
bonus action granted by your Cunning Action to control the hand.

And the invisibility spell (emphasis mine):

A creature you touch becomes invisible until the spell ends. Anything
the target is wearing or carrying is invisible as long as it is on the
target’s person. The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a
spell.

I know the spell is slightly different but it’s the most comparable thing I could find.

For example:

• I lift some jail keys off of a guard and then turn the hand invisible.




• I grab 3 platinum coins off the mayor’s desk when I think no one is watching and close the hand around them so they’re totally inside the fist.




• I give the hand a lockpick and pick a lock from across a crowded room.

In which of these situations (if any) would the objects be visible?

---

Context of the question: I'm the Rogue player, not the not DM. I view the mage hand for the arcane trickster as a type of highly specialized familiar because I can summon or dismiss it a will, and I can "command" it to do some simple tasks. But I'm fairly new and inexperienced so I might be looking at it wrong. My reason for posting the question was to see if I am missing something that should have been obvious, or if there was room to play around with this class feature.

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Any carried object will be visible

Starting at 3rd level, when you cast Mage Hand, you can make the spectral hand invisible

"You can make the spectral hand invisible" does not mean "you can cast the Invisibility spell on it". It does what it says — you make the hand invisible, and only the hand, not the item it is carrying.

However, D&D 5th edition empowers the DM in ways that 3rd, 3.5, and 4th did not. While rule zero has always applied, 5th edition chooses not to explicitly codify many things. If your DM says the item will be invisible too, it will.

Jeremy Crawford, the lead game designer, suggests prioritizing story over the rules:

The rules are intentionally silent on these corner cases, leaving adjudication to DMs. As always, I say go with what's best for your story

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  @Orisaisyourshield One of the things to consider is that, in conditions of darkness of dime light, most observers will have disadvantage to perceive this hand doing things of your rogue is using the sleight of hand or stealth ability/skill to try and do it without being noticed. (Yeah, I realized that this statement only complicates things).
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  @Orisaisyourshield If the hand is invisible, then the held object just appears to be floating on its own, which may provoke a very different reaction from someone than if they saw a spectral hand absconding with the object.
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  @Parrotmaster The area inside of the closed hand is still an external area of the hand so you can see what is there. Now if the hand could swallow the item so it is actually inside part of the hand then you might be able to argue that it is invisible.
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Any carried object will be visible

Starting at 3rd level, when you cast Mage Hand, you can make the spectral hand invisible

"You can make the spectral hand invisible" does not mean "you can cast the Invisibility spell on it". It does what it says — you make the hand invisible, and only the hand, not the item it is carrying.

However, D&D 5th edition empowers the DM in ways that 3rd, 3.5, and 4th did not. While rule zero has always applied, 5th edition chooses not to explicitly codify many things. If your DM says the item will be invisible too, it will.

Jeremy Crawford, the lead game designer, suggests prioritizing story over the rules:

The rules are intentionally silent on these corner cases, leaving adjudication to DMs. As always, I say go with what's best for your story

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  I appreciate the answer, however, it just leaves me wondering what use the invisible mage hand has then. I might ask a new question about that soon.
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  @Orisaisyourshield One of the things to consider is that, in conditions of darkness of dime light, most observers will have disadvantage to perceive this hand doing things of your rogue is using the sleight of hand or stealth ability/skill to try and do it without being noticed. (Yeah, I realized that this statement only complicates things).
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  @Orisaisyourshield If the hand is invisible, then the held object just appears to be floating on its own, which may provoke a very different reaction from someone than if they saw a spectral hand absconding with the object.
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  @Parrotmaster The area inside of the closed hand is still an external area of the hand so you can see what is there. Now if the hand could swallow the item so it is actually inside part of the hand then you might be able to argue that it is invisible.
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Any carried object will be visible

Starting at 3rd level, when you cast Mage Hand, you can make the spectral hand invisible

"You can make the spectral hand invisible" does not mean "you can cast the Invisibility spell on it". It does what it says — you make the hand invisible, and only the hand, not the item it is carrying.

However, D&D 5th edition empowers the DM in ways that 3rd, 3.5, and 4th did not. While rule zero has always applied, 5th edition chooses not to explicitly codify many things. If your DM says the item will be invisible too, it will.

Jeremy Crawford, the lead game designer, suggests prioritizing story over the rules:

The rules are intentionally silent on these corner cases, leaving adjudication to DMs. As always, I say go with what's best for your story

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edited Jul 30 at 9:09

answered Jul 29 at 17:10

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  I appreciate the answer, however, it just leaves me wondering what use the invisible mage hand has then. I might ask a new question about that soon.
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  @Orisaisyourshield One of the things to consider is that, in conditions of darkness of dime light, most observers will have disadvantage to perceive this hand doing things of your rogue is using the sleight of hand or stealth ability/skill to try and do it without being noticed. (Yeah, I realized that this statement only complicates things).
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  @Orisaisyourshield If the hand is invisible, then the held object just appears to be floating on its own, which may provoke a very different reaction from someone than if they saw a spectral hand absconding with the object.
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  @Parrotmaster The area inside of the closed hand is still an external area of the hand so you can see what is there. Now if the hand could swallow the item so it is actually inside part of the hand then you might be able to argue that it is invisible.
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Any carried object will be visible

Starting at 3rd level, when you cast Mage Hand, you can make the spectral hand invisible

"You can make the spectral hand invisible" does not mean "you can cast the Invisibility spell on it". It does what it says — you make the hand invisible, and only the hand, not the item it is carrying.

However, D&D 5th edition empowers the DM in ways that 3rd, 3.5, and 4th did not. While rule zero has always applied, 5th edition chooses not to explicitly codify many things. If your DM says the item will be invisible too, it will.

Jeremy Crawford, the lead game designer, suggests prioritizing story over the rules:

The rules are intentionally silent on these corner cases, leaving adjudication to DMs. As always, I say go with what's best for your story

share|improve this answer

edited Jul 30 at 9:09

answered Jul 29 at 17:10

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