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Is this a common play say in bridge or some other euchre where players just randomly throw their last card in. I notice its commonly done during a lone hand but also on regular play and I have to always defend that it was my lead.










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    Is this a common play say in bridge or some other euchre where players just randomly throw their last card in. I notice its commonly done during a lone hand but also on regular play and I have to always defend that it was my lead.










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      Is this a common play say in bridge or some other euchre where players just randomly throw their last card in. I notice its commonly done during a lone hand but also on regular play and I have to always defend that it was my lead.










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      Is this a common play say in bridge or some other euchre where players just randomly throw their last card in. I notice its commonly done during a lone hand but also on regular play and I have to always defend that it was my lead.







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          It's common in all trick-based card games; since your 'move' is forced (you have to play the only card you're still holding), you're not giving away information to your opponents (or your teammate). By just playing your card the very moment the second-to-last trick is taken, you speed up the game.



          Players who do this know who is in the lead; the player who took the second-to-last trick, not the one who throws his/her card first. They assume the other players know it, too. Even more: most of the times they probably already know who is taking the last trick, which can often be deduced by remembering cards played during previous tricks. E.g. it might be clear that there is one trump card left and only one person can have it.



          If it's confusing you or one of the other players, e.g. because you/they are relatively new to the card game, just ask the out-of-order-throwing players politely not to do so. Card games are a social activity and if you ask nicely, they're likely to comply.






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            It's OK if everybody knows what's going on; then it speeds up the game.

            – Glorfindel
            Aug 15 at 7:11






          • 15





            @Glorfindel addressed this concern already. If everyone is aware of what is going on, then it speeds up the game. You're absolutely right that it slows it down if players are confused. In my games we rarely play hands past the third trick. If the side that has the highest trump left is the team that has two tricks in a two to one split then the hand is over.

            – LeppyR64
            Aug 15 at 13:08






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            @BillEMontgomery If someone is trying to "make their ace good", then they're trying to cheat. That's an entirely different problem than everyone throwing their last cards in on the last trick, and definitely behavior worth calling out.

            – afrazier
            Aug 15 at 15:16






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            It's common since their move is forced, and so is everybody else's. If there was a player who did have more than one choice, then playing out-of-turn might show hidden information, even if the move showing it was forced in itself.

            – ilkkachu
            Aug 15 at 17:41






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            Just because the not-leader puts their A of Diamonds on the table before anyone else does not mean diamonds is led. The suit played by you (if it's your lead) is the suit that is led. Nobody can "make their ace good" by putting their card down first. All that can happen when anyone plays out of turn is that others can change their mind about what to play -- and on the last play, that's not possible since they have no choice what to play.

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          It is not that everyone throws the last card it is usually one person doing this and with people trying to learn and older people who can't see or hear that good as well as other issues like concentration etc.



          We all can't be experts or play super fast. Older folks don't like to play like that and people who are just learning don't get that way of playing until they understand better. It's ok to play like that at home but at a tournament or even regular play there are rules to follow. It may sound odd to an experienced player, but you have to remember there are new players or older players that are not on the fast track.



          Most people don't play like that so when one person throws it in. I can see if some throws in the right bower or gets last trick but this is not a euchre where once you are euchred, they throw the hand in.






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          • The user is clearly asking about the situation where everyone does throw in their last card each. They are not claiming that every single player that ever exists does play like this, or that all players who have ever done it will do it in every hand. This doesn't appear to answer the question at all, and is instead merely commentary on people with that style of play.

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            @Nij - the user is the author of both the question and answer...

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          • Yet the question has a pretty clear intended meaning, as written, which the answer seems to go sideways from. At best that suggests they don't fully understand the situation they're asking about; at worst that the entire post was disingenuous. @TheChaz2.0

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            This is a rant, not an answer. Stack exchange is a place for Q&A - questions and answers. If you want to argue that someone is doing something wrong, and convince them of that, go talk to them, not to us!

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          • ok lets drop this since you all think its ok and im just ranting because I dont agree with you............i just dont see anything wrong with leading in turn so its the normal way of playing but thats ok lets drop it since you will never see my side of it.

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          It's common in all trick-based card games; since your 'move' is forced (you have to play the only card you're still holding), you're not giving away information to your opponents (or your teammate). By just playing your card the very moment the second-to-last trick is taken, you speed up the game.



          Players who do this know who is in the lead; the player who took the second-to-last trick, not the one who throws his/her card first. They assume the other players know it, too. Even more: most of the times they probably already know who is taking the last trick, which can often be deduced by remembering cards played during previous tricks. E.g. it might be clear that there is one trump card left and only one person can have it.



          If it's confusing you or one of the other players, e.g. because you/they are relatively new to the card game, just ask the out-of-order-throwing players politely not to do so. Card games are a social activity and if you ask nicely, they're likely to comply.






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            It's OK if everybody knows what's going on; then it speeds up the game.

            – Glorfindel
            Aug 15 at 7:11






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            @Glorfindel addressed this concern already. If everyone is aware of what is going on, then it speeds up the game. You're absolutely right that it slows it down if players are confused. In my games we rarely play hands past the third trick. If the side that has the highest trump left is the team that has two tricks in a two to one split then the hand is over.

            – LeppyR64
            Aug 15 at 13:08






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            @BillEMontgomery If someone is trying to "make their ace good", then they're trying to cheat. That's an entirely different problem than everyone throwing their last cards in on the last trick, and definitely behavior worth calling out.

            – afrazier
            Aug 15 at 15:16






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            It's common since their move is forced, and so is everybody else's. If there was a player who did have more than one choice, then playing out-of-turn might show hidden information, even if the move showing it was forced in itself.

            – ilkkachu
            Aug 15 at 17:41






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            Just because the not-leader puts their A of Diamonds on the table before anyone else does not mean diamonds is led. The suit played by you (if it's your lead) is the suit that is led. Nobody can "make their ace good" by putting their card down first. All that can happen when anyone plays out of turn is that others can change their mind about what to play -- and on the last play, that's not possible since they have no choice what to play.

            – Kate Gregory
            Aug 16 at 14:24















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          It's common in all trick-based card games; since your 'move' is forced (you have to play the only card you're still holding), you're not giving away information to your opponents (or your teammate). By just playing your card the very moment the second-to-last trick is taken, you speed up the game.



          Players who do this know who is in the lead; the player who took the second-to-last trick, not the one who throws his/her card first. They assume the other players know it, too. Even more: most of the times they probably already know who is taking the last trick, which can often be deduced by remembering cards played during previous tricks. E.g. it might be clear that there is one trump card left and only one person can have it.



          If it's confusing you or one of the other players, e.g. because you/they are relatively new to the card game, just ask the out-of-order-throwing players politely not to do so. Card games are a social activity and if you ask nicely, they're likely to comply.






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            It's OK if everybody knows what's going on; then it speeds up the game.

            – Glorfindel
            Aug 15 at 7:11






          • 15





            @Glorfindel addressed this concern already. If everyone is aware of what is going on, then it speeds up the game. You're absolutely right that it slows it down if players are confused. In my games we rarely play hands past the third trick. If the side that has the highest trump left is the team that has two tricks in a two to one split then the hand is over.

            – LeppyR64
            Aug 15 at 13:08






          • 25





            @BillEMontgomery If someone is trying to "make their ace good", then they're trying to cheat. That's an entirely different problem than everyone throwing their last cards in on the last trick, and definitely behavior worth calling out.

            – afrazier
            Aug 15 at 15:16






          • 11





            It's common since their move is forced, and so is everybody else's. If there was a player who did have more than one choice, then playing out-of-turn might show hidden information, even if the move showing it was forced in itself.

            – ilkkachu
            Aug 15 at 17:41






          • 12





            Just because the not-leader puts their A of Diamonds on the table before anyone else does not mean diamonds is led. The suit played by you (if it's your lead) is the suit that is led. Nobody can "make their ace good" by putting their card down first. All that can happen when anyone plays out of turn is that others can change their mind about what to play -- and on the last play, that's not possible since they have no choice what to play.

            – Kate Gregory
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          It's common in all trick-based card games; since your 'move' is forced (you have to play the only card you're still holding), you're not giving away information to your opponents (or your teammate). By just playing your card the very moment the second-to-last trick is taken, you speed up the game.



          Players who do this know who is in the lead; the player who took the second-to-last trick, not the one who throws his/her card first. They assume the other players know it, too. Even more: most of the times they probably already know who is taking the last trick, which can often be deduced by remembering cards played during previous tricks. E.g. it might be clear that there is one trump card left and only one person can have it.



          If it's confusing you or one of the other players, e.g. because you/they are relatively new to the card game, just ask the out-of-order-throwing players politely not to do so. Card games are a social activity and if you ask nicely, they're likely to comply.






          share|improve this answer















          It's common in all trick-based card games; since your 'move' is forced (you have to play the only card you're still holding), you're not giving away information to your opponents (or your teammate). By just playing your card the very moment the second-to-last trick is taken, you speed up the game.



          Players who do this know who is in the lead; the player who took the second-to-last trick, not the one who throws his/her card first. They assume the other players know it, too. Even more: most of the times they probably already know who is taking the last trick, which can often be deduced by remembering cards played during previous tricks. E.g. it might be clear that there is one trump card left and only one person can have it.



          If it's confusing you or one of the other players, e.g. because you/they are relatively new to the card game, just ask the out-of-order-throwing players politely not to do so. Card games are a social activity and if you ask nicely, they're likely to comply.







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          • 26





            It's OK if everybody knows what's going on; then it speeds up the game.

            – Glorfindel
            Aug 15 at 7:11






          • 15





            @Glorfindel addressed this concern already. If everyone is aware of what is going on, then it speeds up the game. You're absolutely right that it slows it down if players are confused. In my games we rarely play hands past the third trick. If the side that has the highest trump left is the team that has two tricks in a two to one split then the hand is over.

            – LeppyR64
            Aug 15 at 13:08






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            @BillEMontgomery If someone is trying to "make their ace good", then they're trying to cheat. That's an entirely different problem than everyone throwing their last cards in on the last trick, and definitely behavior worth calling out.

            – afrazier
            Aug 15 at 15:16






          • 11





            It's common since their move is forced, and so is everybody else's. If there was a player who did have more than one choice, then playing out-of-turn might show hidden information, even if the move showing it was forced in itself.

            – ilkkachu
            Aug 15 at 17:41






          • 12





            Just because the not-leader puts their A of Diamonds on the table before anyone else does not mean diamonds is led. The suit played by you (if it's your lead) is the suit that is led. Nobody can "make their ace good" by putting their card down first. All that can happen when anyone plays out of turn is that others can change their mind about what to play -- and on the last play, that's not possible since they have no choice what to play.

            – Kate Gregory
            Aug 16 at 14:24












          • 26





            It's OK if everybody knows what's going on; then it speeds up the game.

            – Glorfindel
            Aug 15 at 7:11






          • 15





            @Glorfindel addressed this concern already. If everyone is aware of what is going on, then it speeds up the game. You're absolutely right that it slows it down if players are confused. In my games we rarely play hands past the third trick. If the side that has the highest trump left is the team that has two tricks in a two to one split then the hand is over.

            – LeppyR64
            Aug 15 at 13:08






          • 25





            @BillEMontgomery If someone is trying to "make their ace good", then they're trying to cheat. That's an entirely different problem than everyone throwing their last cards in on the last trick, and definitely behavior worth calling out.

            – afrazier
            Aug 15 at 15:16






          • 11





            It's common since their move is forced, and so is everybody else's. If there was a player who did have more than one choice, then playing out-of-turn might show hidden information, even if the move showing it was forced in itself.

            – ilkkachu
            Aug 15 at 17:41






          • 12





            Just because the not-leader puts their A of Diamonds on the table before anyone else does not mean diamonds is led. The suit played by you (if it's your lead) is the suit that is led. Nobody can "make their ace good" by putting their card down first. All that can happen when anyone plays out of turn is that others can change their mind about what to play -- and on the last play, that's not possible since they have no choice what to play.

            – Kate Gregory
            Aug 16 at 14:24







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          It's OK if everybody knows what's going on; then it speeds up the game.

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          It's OK if everybody knows what's going on; then it speeds up the game.

          – Glorfindel
          Aug 15 at 7:11




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          @Glorfindel addressed this concern already. If everyone is aware of what is going on, then it speeds up the game. You're absolutely right that it slows it down if players are confused. In my games we rarely play hands past the third trick. If the side that has the highest trump left is the team that has two tricks in a two to one split then the hand is over.

          – LeppyR64
          Aug 15 at 13:08





          @Glorfindel addressed this concern already. If everyone is aware of what is going on, then it speeds up the game. You're absolutely right that it slows it down if players are confused. In my games we rarely play hands past the third trick. If the side that has the highest trump left is the team that has two tricks in a two to one split then the hand is over.

          – LeppyR64
          Aug 15 at 13:08




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          @BillEMontgomery If someone is trying to "make their ace good", then they're trying to cheat. That's an entirely different problem than everyone throwing their last cards in on the last trick, and definitely behavior worth calling out.

          – afrazier
          Aug 15 at 15:16





          @BillEMontgomery If someone is trying to "make their ace good", then they're trying to cheat. That's an entirely different problem than everyone throwing their last cards in on the last trick, and definitely behavior worth calling out.

          – afrazier
          Aug 15 at 15:16




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          It's common since their move is forced, and so is everybody else's. If there was a player who did have more than one choice, then playing out-of-turn might show hidden information, even if the move showing it was forced in itself.

          – ilkkachu
          Aug 15 at 17:41





          It's common since their move is forced, and so is everybody else's. If there was a player who did have more than one choice, then playing out-of-turn might show hidden information, even if the move showing it was forced in itself.

          – ilkkachu
          Aug 15 at 17:41




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          12





          Just because the not-leader puts their A of Diamonds on the table before anyone else does not mean diamonds is led. The suit played by you (if it's your lead) is the suit that is led. Nobody can "make their ace good" by putting their card down first. All that can happen when anyone plays out of turn is that others can change their mind about what to play -- and on the last play, that's not possible since they have no choice what to play.

          – Kate Gregory
          Aug 16 at 14:24





          Just because the not-leader puts their A of Diamonds on the table before anyone else does not mean diamonds is led. The suit played by you (if it's your lead) is the suit that is led. Nobody can "make their ace good" by putting their card down first. All that can happen when anyone plays out of turn is that others can change their mind about what to play -- and on the last play, that's not possible since they have no choice what to play.

          – Kate Gregory
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          It is not that everyone throws the last card it is usually one person doing this and with people trying to learn and older people who can't see or hear that good as well as other issues like concentration etc.



          We all can't be experts or play super fast. Older folks don't like to play like that and people who are just learning don't get that way of playing until they understand better. It's ok to play like that at home but at a tournament or even regular play there are rules to follow. It may sound odd to an experienced player, but you have to remember there are new players or older players that are not on the fast track.



          Most people don't play like that so when one person throws it in. I can see if some throws in the right bower or gets last trick but this is not a euchre where once you are euchred, they throw the hand in.






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          • The user is clearly asking about the situation where everyone does throw in their last card each. They are not claiming that every single player that ever exists does play like this, or that all players who have ever done it will do it in every hand. This doesn't appear to answer the question at all, and is instead merely commentary on people with that style of play.

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            @Nij - the user is the author of both the question and answer...

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          • Yet the question has a pretty clear intended meaning, as written, which the answer seems to go sideways from. At best that suggests they don't fully understand the situation they're asking about; at worst that the entire post was disingenuous. @TheChaz2.0

            – Nij
            Aug 19 at 19:39







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            This is a rant, not an answer. Stack exchange is a place for Q&A - questions and answers. If you want to argue that someone is doing something wrong, and convince them of that, go talk to them, not to us!

            – AndyT
            Aug 20 at 9:51











          • ok lets drop this since you all think its ok and im just ranting because I dont agree with you............i just dont see anything wrong with leading in turn so its the normal way of playing but thats ok lets drop it since you will never see my side of it.

            – Bill E Montgomery
            Aug 21 at 14:07















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          It is not that everyone throws the last card it is usually one person doing this and with people trying to learn and older people who can't see or hear that good as well as other issues like concentration etc.



          We all can't be experts or play super fast. Older folks don't like to play like that and people who are just learning don't get that way of playing until they understand better. It's ok to play like that at home but at a tournament or even regular play there are rules to follow. It may sound odd to an experienced player, but you have to remember there are new players or older players that are not on the fast track.



          Most people don't play like that so when one person throws it in. I can see if some throws in the right bower or gets last trick but this is not a euchre where once you are euchred, they throw the hand in.






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          • The user is clearly asking about the situation where everyone does throw in their last card each. They are not claiming that every single player that ever exists does play like this, or that all players who have ever done it will do it in every hand. This doesn't appear to answer the question at all, and is instead merely commentary on people with that style of play.

            – Nij
            Aug 19 at 5:26






          • 1





            @Nij - the user is the author of both the question and answer...

            – The Chaz 2.0
            Aug 19 at 17:50











          • Yet the question has a pretty clear intended meaning, as written, which the answer seems to go sideways from. At best that suggests they don't fully understand the situation they're asking about; at worst that the entire post was disingenuous. @TheChaz2.0

            – Nij
            Aug 19 at 19:39







          • 1





            This is a rant, not an answer. Stack exchange is a place for Q&A - questions and answers. If you want to argue that someone is doing something wrong, and convince them of that, go talk to them, not to us!

            – AndyT
            Aug 20 at 9:51











          • ok lets drop this since you all think its ok and im just ranting because I dont agree with you............i just dont see anything wrong with leading in turn so its the normal way of playing but thats ok lets drop it since you will never see my side of it.

            – Bill E Montgomery
            Aug 21 at 14:07













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          It is not that everyone throws the last card it is usually one person doing this and with people trying to learn and older people who can't see or hear that good as well as other issues like concentration etc.



          We all can't be experts or play super fast. Older folks don't like to play like that and people who are just learning don't get that way of playing until they understand better. It's ok to play like that at home but at a tournament or even regular play there are rules to follow. It may sound odd to an experienced player, but you have to remember there are new players or older players that are not on the fast track.



          Most people don't play like that so when one person throws it in. I can see if some throws in the right bower or gets last trick but this is not a euchre where once you are euchred, they throw the hand in.






          share|improve this answer















          It is not that everyone throws the last card it is usually one person doing this and with people trying to learn and older people who can't see or hear that good as well as other issues like concentration etc.



          We all can't be experts or play super fast. Older folks don't like to play like that and people who are just learning don't get that way of playing until they understand better. It's ok to play like that at home but at a tournament or even regular play there are rules to follow. It may sound odd to an experienced player, but you have to remember there are new players or older players that are not on the fast track.



          Most people don't play like that so when one person throws it in. I can see if some throws in the right bower or gets last trick but this is not a euchre where once you are euchred, they throw the hand in.







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          Bill E MontgomeryBill E Montgomery

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          • The user is clearly asking about the situation where everyone does throw in their last card each. They are not claiming that every single player that ever exists does play like this, or that all players who have ever done it will do it in every hand. This doesn't appear to answer the question at all, and is instead merely commentary on people with that style of play.

            – Nij
            Aug 19 at 5:26






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            @Nij - the user is the author of both the question and answer...

            – The Chaz 2.0
            Aug 19 at 17:50











          • Yet the question has a pretty clear intended meaning, as written, which the answer seems to go sideways from. At best that suggests they don't fully understand the situation they're asking about; at worst that the entire post was disingenuous. @TheChaz2.0

            – Nij
            Aug 19 at 19:39







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            This is a rant, not an answer. Stack exchange is a place for Q&A - questions and answers. If you want to argue that someone is doing something wrong, and convince them of that, go talk to them, not to us!

            – AndyT
            Aug 20 at 9:51











          • ok lets drop this since you all think its ok and im just ranting because I dont agree with you............i just dont see anything wrong with leading in turn so its the normal way of playing but thats ok lets drop it since you will never see my side of it.

            – Bill E Montgomery
            Aug 21 at 14:07

















          • The user is clearly asking about the situation where everyone does throw in their last card each. They are not claiming that every single player that ever exists does play like this, or that all players who have ever done it will do it in every hand. This doesn't appear to answer the question at all, and is instead merely commentary on people with that style of play.

            – Nij
            Aug 19 at 5:26






          • 1





            @Nij - the user is the author of both the question and answer...

            – The Chaz 2.0
            Aug 19 at 17:50











          • Yet the question has a pretty clear intended meaning, as written, which the answer seems to go sideways from. At best that suggests they don't fully understand the situation they're asking about; at worst that the entire post was disingenuous. @TheChaz2.0

            – Nij
            Aug 19 at 19:39







          • 1





            This is a rant, not an answer. Stack exchange is a place for Q&A - questions and answers. If you want to argue that someone is doing something wrong, and convince them of that, go talk to them, not to us!

            – AndyT
            Aug 20 at 9:51











          • ok lets drop this since you all think its ok and im just ranting because I dont agree with you............i just dont see anything wrong with leading in turn so its the normal way of playing but thats ok lets drop it since you will never see my side of it.

            – Bill E Montgomery
            Aug 21 at 14:07
















          The user is clearly asking about the situation where everyone does throw in their last card each. They are not claiming that every single player that ever exists does play like this, or that all players who have ever done it will do it in every hand. This doesn't appear to answer the question at all, and is instead merely commentary on people with that style of play.

          – Nij
          Aug 19 at 5:26





          The user is clearly asking about the situation where everyone does throw in their last card each. They are not claiming that every single player that ever exists does play like this, or that all players who have ever done it will do it in every hand. This doesn't appear to answer the question at all, and is instead merely commentary on people with that style of play.

          – Nij
          Aug 19 at 5:26




          1




          1





          @Nij - the user is the author of both the question and answer...

          – The Chaz 2.0
          Aug 19 at 17:50





          @Nij - the user is the author of both the question and answer...

          – The Chaz 2.0
          Aug 19 at 17:50













          Yet the question has a pretty clear intended meaning, as written, which the answer seems to go sideways from. At best that suggests they don't fully understand the situation they're asking about; at worst that the entire post was disingenuous. @TheChaz2.0

          – Nij
          Aug 19 at 19:39






          Yet the question has a pretty clear intended meaning, as written, which the answer seems to go sideways from. At best that suggests they don't fully understand the situation they're asking about; at worst that the entire post was disingenuous. @TheChaz2.0

          – Nij
          Aug 19 at 19:39





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          1





          This is a rant, not an answer. Stack exchange is a place for Q&A - questions and answers. If you want to argue that someone is doing something wrong, and convince them of that, go talk to them, not to us!

          – AndyT
          Aug 20 at 9:51





          This is a rant, not an answer. Stack exchange is a place for Q&A - questions and answers. If you want to argue that someone is doing something wrong, and convince them of that, go talk to them, not to us!

          – AndyT
          Aug 20 at 9:51













          ok lets drop this since you all think its ok and im just ranting because I dont agree with you............i just dont see anything wrong with leading in turn so its the normal way of playing but thats ok lets drop it since you will never see my side of it.

          – Bill E Montgomery
          Aug 21 at 14:07





          ok lets drop this since you all think its ok and im just ranting because I dont agree with you............i just dont see anything wrong with leading in turn so its the normal way of playing but thats ok lets drop it since you will never see my side of it.

          – Bill E Montgomery
          Aug 21 at 14:07

















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