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A friend helped me with a presentation – plagiarism or not?
Does it amount to plagiarism by supervisor?What else can I do if a journal editor ignores my report of plagiarism?What to do after I was named as co-author on a paper, without my consent?Friend's Involvement in PlagiarismWhat are the current standards for plagiarism?Professor wants to use required class project for researchHelp me understand plagiarism concerning computer programmingConditions valid for plagiarism and dishonestyIs this plagiarism?Does two lines of copied code constitute plagiarism?
My friend helped me with my assignment. I was having a bit of trouble and he showed me what he did.
The assignment was a speech with a powerpoint in the background.
I did not receive any help in the speech and it was all my own work but two of my slides are similar to his, and I copied his table. The speech is the part directly getting assessed while the powerpoint is merely for the theatrics. This was all done with his permission and he himself showed me how he did the slides.
The powerpoint was twelve slides long. Does this constitute plagiarism?
Edit: I did cite him in a bibliography which I submitted for his contribution. I however did not cite him in the PowerPoint. Also the similar slides are not in the PowerPoint anymore but the table still is.
paper-submission plagiarism
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My friend helped me with my assignment. I was having a bit of trouble and he showed me what he did.
The assignment was a speech with a powerpoint in the background.
I did not receive any help in the speech and it was all my own work but two of my slides are similar to his, and I copied his table. The speech is the part directly getting assessed while the powerpoint is merely for the theatrics. This was all done with his permission and he himself showed me how he did the slides.
The powerpoint was twelve slides long. Does this constitute plagiarism?
Edit: I did cite him in a bibliography which I submitted for his contribution. I however did not cite him in the PowerPoint. Also the similar slides are not in the PowerPoint anymore but the table still is.
paper-submission plagiarism
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Is the theatrics evaluated in your grade?
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
3
This is what I tell my students: cs.umb.edu/~eb/honesty . I'd approve of your getting help, as long as you acknowledged it.
– Ethan Bolker
yesterday
5
Could you expand on what you mean by 'copied his table', and what this table contains? Did you literally copy and paste it into your own slide deck? Or did you use the same row and column labels, or other formatting? Did you perhaps just use the same PowerPoint table presets? Was the contents of the table something you have no flexibility in reporting, such as raw data?
– Matt
yesterday
1
Sometimes I am really surprised by questions and answers. I can give you an entire presentation. It might be unfair to the teacher, perhaps you are not learning, and other dozen - bad or not - things. But forget plagiarism.
– Alchimista
18 hours ago
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My friend helped me with my assignment. I was having a bit of trouble and he showed me what he did.
The assignment was a speech with a powerpoint in the background.
I did not receive any help in the speech and it was all my own work but two of my slides are similar to his, and I copied his table. The speech is the part directly getting assessed while the powerpoint is merely for the theatrics. This was all done with his permission and he himself showed me how he did the slides.
The powerpoint was twelve slides long. Does this constitute plagiarism?
Edit: I did cite him in a bibliography which I submitted for his contribution. I however did not cite him in the PowerPoint. Also the similar slides are not in the PowerPoint anymore but the table still is.
paper-submission plagiarism
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My friend helped me with my assignment. I was having a bit of trouble and he showed me what he did.
The assignment was a speech with a powerpoint in the background.
I did not receive any help in the speech and it was all my own work but two of my slides are similar to his, and I copied his table. The speech is the part directly getting assessed while the powerpoint is merely for the theatrics. This was all done with his permission and he himself showed me how he did the slides.
The powerpoint was twelve slides long. Does this constitute plagiarism?
Edit: I did cite him in a bibliography which I submitted for his contribution. I however did not cite him in the PowerPoint. Also the similar slides are not in the PowerPoint anymore but the table still is.
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Is the theatrics evaluated in your grade?
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
3
This is what I tell my students: cs.umb.edu/~eb/honesty . I'd approve of your getting help, as long as you acknowledged it.
– Ethan Bolker
yesterday
5
Could you expand on what you mean by 'copied his table', and what this table contains? Did you literally copy and paste it into your own slide deck? Or did you use the same row and column labels, or other formatting? Did you perhaps just use the same PowerPoint table presets? Was the contents of the table something you have no flexibility in reporting, such as raw data?
– Matt
yesterday
1
Sometimes I am really surprised by questions and answers. I can give you an entire presentation. It might be unfair to the teacher, perhaps you are not learning, and other dozen - bad or not - things. But forget plagiarism.
– Alchimista
18 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Is the theatrics evaluated in your grade?
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
3
This is what I tell my students: cs.umb.edu/~eb/honesty . I'd approve of your getting help, as long as you acknowledged it.
– Ethan Bolker
yesterday
5
Could you expand on what you mean by 'copied his table', and what this table contains? Did you literally copy and paste it into your own slide deck? Or did you use the same row and column labels, or other formatting? Did you perhaps just use the same PowerPoint table presets? Was the contents of the table something you have no flexibility in reporting, such as raw data?
– Matt
yesterday
1
Sometimes I am really surprised by questions and answers. I can give you an entire presentation. It might be unfair to the teacher, perhaps you are not learning, and other dozen - bad or not - things. But forget plagiarism.
– Alchimista
18 hours ago
1
1
Is the theatrics evaluated in your grade?
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
Is the theatrics evaluated in your grade?
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
3
3
This is what I tell my students: cs.umb.edu/~eb/honesty . I'd approve of your getting help, as long as you acknowledged it.
– Ethan Bolker
yesterday
This is what I tell my students: cs.umb.edu/~eb/honesty . I'd approve of your getting help, as long as you acknowledged it.
– Ethan Bolker
yesterday
5
5
Could you expand on what you mean by 'copied his table', and what this table contains? Did you literally copy and paste it into your own slide deck? Or did you use the same row and column labels, or other formatting? Did you perhaps just use the same PowerPoint table presets? Was the contents of the table something you have no flexibility in reporting, such as raw data?
– Matt
yesterday
Could you expand on what you mean by 'copied his table', and what this table contains? Did you literally copy and paste it into your own slide deck? Or did you use the same row and column labels, or other formatting? Did you perhaps just use the same PowerPoint table presets? Was the contents of the table something you have no flexibility in reporting, such as raw data?
– Matt
yesterday
1
1
Sometimes I am really surprised by questions and answers. I can give you an entire presentation. It might be unfair to the teacher, perhaps you are not learning, and other dozen - bad or not - things. But forget plagiarism.
– Alchimista
18 hours ago
Sometimes I am really surprised by questions and answers. I can give you an entire presentation. It might be unfair to the teacher, perhaps you are not learning, and other dozen - bad or not - things. But forget plagiarism.
– Alchimista
18 hours ago
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My friend helped me with my assignment...I copied his table...does this constitute plagiarism?
Yes: You copied his work, doing so without attribution is plagiarism.
answered yesterday
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But if you put a notation at the bottom: "Table from <name>" then it is not plagiarism.
– GEdgar
yesterday
4
@GEdgar what's the betting there was no mention...
– Solar Mike
yesterday
The certainty exuded by this and other answers bothers me. "Helping" is not plagiarism, and we have no idea what was in this "copied" table or "similar" slides. Certainly I am concerned (particularly if OP asks the question because their teacher is accusing them of plagiarism), but I do not believe we have enough information to say that this is (or is not) plagiarism.
– cag51
2 hours ago
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Whether it is plagiarism or not, and it is, may be less important than the bigger issue that it is almost certainly academic misconduct. Only your professor can give you advice on whether it is acceptable.
Getting some help may be fine, depending on the rules. Copying a table is less fine and becomes plagiarism if done without attribution. I would disallow it if I learn of it and would encourage you to do better. Since you are a student, I would even discourage your use of "similar" slides since you learn more by working independently and that is the point of the exercise.
The proportion of the copying makes no difference. I assume that you didn't reference your friend in the slide deck, making it plagiarism. I suspect that you think it is probably wrong to do this if you didn't cite the work of your friend.
Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact.
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+1 for "Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact"
– Neal Young
yesterday
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"The proportion of the copying makes no difference" - doesn't this lead to the heap paradox? Even with no copying, there will be at least a few words which will be the same. And if not that, then certainly some letters. If I've already seen "i++;" in someone else's program, am I forever forbidden to use it in my code? If not, then what is the smallest amount which is still fine?
– vsz
22 hours ago
@vsz It's the process of copying (and representing as own result) that makes plagiarism, not the amount of it. If you by chance come up with the same combination of words as someone else, it's not plagiarism. If you report even a single number you knowingly took from somewhere else, and you don't cite, it's plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
Regarding your "i++" example, it is indeed copying, but as now one will assume that you came up with that on your own, and you don't explicitly claim that this is your fancy new idea, it's not plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
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This was decades ago, but one of my professors told me, "I will accept work from you as "original" if you can produce it from memory without help." This would not include copy-pasting.
The reason for this test is to track your level of learning. If you could reproduce the table from memory, you would inevitably come up with some (perhaps small) difference from your friend's table. That would signify your learning the material.
You do not appear to have met that test.
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Tom AuTom Au
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This seems like a poor test for this scenario. Presumably OP now knows how to make tables in powerpoint (it is really quite easy, one or two clicks and its done). But you cant reasonably expect people to have memorized the data within their table. So I guess tables never count as original work? Or maybe with an exception for data, it does count as original work for OP? Neither seems right to me. We also have yet to get confirmation from OP that "copied his table" means literally copy/paste or a manual equilalent. It could mean that OP used the same row/column labels and style as his friend.
– Matt
yesterday
Finally, your test seems to be based on what OP "could" do, but then draw conclusions based on what he did do. We dont know that OP cant make such a table on his own. Plagiarism isnt based on what people can do, but what they have done.
– Matt
yesterday
@Matt: At this time, we don't know that the OP CAN reproduce this table from memory. We do know that he "copied." So the way for him to correct this is to "pull" the table that he submitted, and replace it with his own work, if it is not too late. And worst come to worst, maybe he'll learn something for next time.But if he had done it right the first time, there would be no need for him to worry about plagiarizing, or ask the question.
– Tom Au
23 hours ago
Yes. That is correct.
– Matt
23 hours ago
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This is definitely not plagiarism. It's like saying you copied Microsoft's works for using PowerPoint to do your presentation. Both Microsoft and your friend created an environment for you to do your works. You don't have to give them any credit.
Your friend didn't do the works for you. You did all of it yourself.
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SmallChessSmallChess
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I think this answer is incorrect. The OP's friend created the slides that was used in the OP's presentation, i.e. "your friend did do the works for you".
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Microsoft created the software that used in the presentation. Did Microsoft do the works? Had you ever credit Bill Gates on your presentation? Microsoft did do the works.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
I don't understand you. Microsoft created the program which OP's friend used to create the slides, and it's the slides that were used by the OP.
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Thus, the slides by OP came from help with Microsoft and the friend. We don't credit Microsoft, so why should we credit the friend? If we don't need to credit the friend, why is this a fraud? Remember, OP only used the template from the friend.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
1
@SmallChess If that bothers you, you can see it as a matter of expectations. Your teacher expects you to write the content of your slides. Your teacher expects you to use off-the-shelf office software. Not communicating that you used someone else's source material (e.g. tables) in your slides is deceptive because then people would assume that it's all your work. Not referencing Microsoft is accepted, because your teacher doesn't think you wrote your own software anyway.
– Federico Poloni
20 hours ago
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My friend helped me with my assignment...I copied his table...does this constitute plagiarism?
Yes: You copied his work, doing so without attribution is plagiarism.
answered yesterday
user2768user2768
15.1k33860
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But if you put a notation at the bottom: "Table from <name>" then it is not plagiarism.
– GEdgar
yesterday
4
@GEdgar what's the betting there was no mention...
– Solar Mike
yesterday
The certainty exuded by this and other answers bothers me. "Helping" is not plagiarism, and we have no idea what was in this "copied" table or "similar" slides. Certainly I am concerned (particularly if OP asks the question because their teacher is accusing them of plagiarism), but I do not believe we have enough information to say that this is (or is not) plagiarism.
– cag51
2 hours ago
add a comment |
My friend helped me with my assignment...I copied his table...does this constitute plagiarism?
Yes: You copied his work, doing so without attribution is plagiarism.
answered yesterday
user2768user2768
15.1k33860
20
But if you put a notation at the bottom: "Table from <name>" then it is not plagiarism.
– GEdgar
yesterday
4
@GEdgar what's the betting there was no mention...
– Solar Mike
yesterday
The certainty exuded by this and other answers bothers me. "Helping" is not plagiarism, and we have no idea what was in this "copied" table or "similar" slides. Certainly I am concerned (particularly if OP asks the question because their teacher is accusing them of plagiarism), but I do not believe we have enough information to say that this is (or is not) plagiarism.
– cag51
2 hours ago
add a comment |
My friend helped me with my assignment...I copied his table...does this constitute plagiarism?
Yes: You copied his work, doing so without attribution is plagiarism.
answered yesterday
user2768user2768
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My friend helped me with my assignment...I copied his table...does this constitute plagiarism?
Yes: You copied his work, doing so without attribution is plagiarism.
answered yesterday
user2768user2768
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But if you put a notation at the bottom: "Table from <name>" then it is not plagiarism.
– GEdgar
yesterday
4
@GEdgar what's the betting there was no mention...
– Solar Mike
yesterday
The certainty exuded by this and other answers bothers me. "Helping" is not plagiarism, and we have no idea what was in this "copied" table or "similar" slides. Certainly I am concerned (particularly if OP asks the question because their teacher is accusing them of plagiarism), but I do not believe we have enough information to say that this is (or is not) plagiarism.
– cag51
2 hours ago
add a comment |
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But if you put a notation at the bottom: "Table from <name>" then it is not plagiarism.
– GEdgar
yesterday
4
@GEdgar what's the betting there was no mention...
– Solar Mike
yesterday
The certainty exuded by this and other answers bothers me. "Helping" is not plagiarism, and we have no idea what was in this "copied" table or "similar" slides. Certainly I am concerned (particularly if OP asks the question because their teacher is accusing them of plagiarism), but I do not believe we have enough information to say that this is (or is not) plagiarism.
– cag51
2 hours ago
20
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But if you put a notation at the bottom: "Table from <name>" then it is not plagiarism.
– GEdgar
yesterday
But if you put a notation at the bottom: "Table from <name>" then it is not plagiarism.
– GEdgar
yesterday
4
4
@GEdgar what's the betting there was no mention...
– Solar Mike
yesterday
@GEdgar what's the betting there was no mention...
– Solar Mike
yesterday
The certainty exuded by this and other answers bothers me. "Helping" is not plagiarism, and we have no idea what was in this "copied" table or "similar" slides. Certainly I am concerned (particularly if OP asks the question because their teacher is accusing them of plagiarism), but I do not believe we have enough information to say that this is (or is not) plagiarism.
– cag51
2 hours ago
The certainty exuded by this and other answers bothers me. "Helping" is not plagiarism, and we have no idea what was in this "copied" table or "similar" slides. Certainly I am concerned (particularly if OP asks the question because their teacher is accusing them of plagiarism), but I do not believe we have enough information to say that this is (or is not) plagiarism.
– cag51
2 hours ago
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Whether it is plagiarism or not, and it is, may be less important than the bigger issue that it is almost certainly academic misconduct. Only your professor can give you advice on whether it is acceptable.
Getting some help may be fine, depending on the rules. Copying a table is less fine and becomes plagiarism if done without attribution. I would disallow it if I learn of it and would encourage you to do better. Since you are a student, I would even discourage your use of "similar" slides since you learn more by working independently and that is the point of the exercise.
The proportion of the copying makes no difference. I assume that you didn't reference your friend in the slide deck, making it plagiarism. I suspect that you think it is probably wrong to do this if you didn't cite the work of your friend.
Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact.
answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
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+1 for "Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact"
– Neal Young
yesterday
4
"The proportion of the copying makes no difference" - doesn't this lead to the heap paradox? Even with no copying, there will be at least a few words which will be the same. And if not that, then certainly some letters. If I've already seen "i++;" in someone else's program, am I forever forbidden to use it in my code? If not, then what is the smallest amount which is still fine?
– vsz
22 hours ago
@vsz It's the process of copying (and representing as own result) that makes plagiarism, not the amount of it. If you by chance come up with the same combination of words as someone else, it's not plagiarism. If you report even a single number you knowingly took from somewhere else, and you don't cite, it's plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
Regarding your "i++" example, it is indeed copying, but as now one will assume that you came up with that on your own, and you don't explicitly claim that this is your fancy new idea, it's not plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
add a comment |
Whether it is plagiarism or not, and it is, may be less important than the bigger issue that it is almost certainly academic misconduct. Only your professor can give you advice on whether it is acceptable.
Getting some help may be fine, depending on the rules. Copying a table is less fine and becomes plagiarism if done without attribution. I would disallow it if I learn of it and would encourage you to do better. Since you are a student, I would even discourage your use of "similar" slides since you learn more by working independently and that is the point of the exercise.
The proportion of the copying makes no difference. I assume that you didn't reference your friend in the slide deck, making it plagiarism. I suspect that you think it is probably wrong to do this if you didn't cite the work of your friend.
Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact.
answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
55.8k16175270
1
+1 for "Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact"
– Neal Young
yesterday
4
"The proportion of the copying makes no difference" - doesn't this lead to the heap paradox? Even with no copying, there will be at least a few words which will be the same. And if not that, then certainly some letters. If I've already seen "i++;" in someone else's program, am I forever forbidden to use it in my code? If not, then what is the smallest amount which is still fine?
– vsz
22 hours ago
@vsz It's the process of copying (and representing as own result) that makes plagiarism, not the amount of it. If you by chance come up with the same combination of words as someone else, it's not plagiarism. If you report even a single number you knowingly took from somewhere else, and you don't cite, it's plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
Regarding your "i++" example, it is indeed copying, but as now one will assume that you came up with that on your own, and you don't explicitly claim that this is your fancy new idea, it's not plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
add a comment |
Whether it is plagiarism or not, and it is, may be less important than the bigger issue that it is almost certainly academic misconduct. Only your professor can give you advice on whether it is acceptable.
Getting some help may be fine, depending on the rules. Copying a table is less fine and becomes plagiarism if done without attribution. I would disallow it if I learn of it and would encourage you to do better. Since you are a student, I would even discourage your use of "similar" slides since you learn more by working independently and that is the point of the exercise.
The proportion of the copying makes no difference. I assume that you didn't reference your friend in the slide deck, making it plagiarism. I suspect that you think it is probably wrong to do this if you didn't cite the work of your friend.
Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact.
answered yesterday
BuffyBuffy
55.8k16175270
Whether it is plagiarism or not, and it is, may be less important than the bigger issue that it is almost certainly academic misconduct. Only your professor can give you advice on whether it is acceptable.
Getting some help may be fine, depending on the rules. Copying a table is less fine and becomes plagiarism if done without attribution. I would disallow it if I learn of it and would encourage you to do better. Since you are a student, I would even discourage your use of "similar" slides since you learn more by working independently and that is the point of the exercise.
The proportion of the copying makes no difference. I assume that you didn't reference your friend in the slide deck, making it plagiarism. I suspect that you think it is probably wrong to do this if you didn't cite the work of your friend.
Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact.
answered yesterday
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+1 for "Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact"
– Neal Young
yesterday
4
"The proportion of the copying makes no difference" - doesn't this lead to the heap paradox? Even with no copying, there will be at least a few words which will be the same. And if not that, then certainly some letters. If I've already seen "i++;" in someone else's program, am I forever forbidden to use it in my code? If not, then what is the smallest amount which is still fine?
– vsz
22 hours ago
@vsz It's the process of copying (and representing as own result) that makes plagiarism, not the amount of it. If you by chance come up with the same combination of words as someone else, it's not plagiarism. If you report even a single number you knowingly took from somewhere else, and you don't cite, it's plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
Regarding your "i++" example, it is indeed copying, but as now one will assume that you came up with that on your own, and you don't explicitly claim that this is your fancy new idea, it's not plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
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+1 for "Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact"
– Neal Young
yesterday
4
"The proportion of the copying makes no difference" - doesn't this lead to the heap paradox? Even with no copying, there will be at least a few words which will be the same. And if not that, then certainly some letters. If I've already seen "i++;" in someone else's program, am I forever forbidden to use it in my code? If not, then what is the smallest amount which is still fine?
– vsz
22 hours ago
@vsz It's the process of copying (and representing as own result) that makes plagiarism, not the amount of it. If you by chance come up with the same combination of words as someone else, it's not plagiarism. If you report even a single number you knowingly took from somewhere else, and you don't cite, it's plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
Regarding your "i++" example, it is indeed copying, but as now one will assume that you came up with that on your own, and you don't explicitly claim that this is your fancy new idea, it's not plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
1
1
+1 for "Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact"
– Neal Young
yesterday
+1 for "Don't lose track of the lesson that learning is the real objective, not the production of any artifact"
– Neal Young
yesterday
4
4
"The proportion of the copying makes no difference" - doesn't this lead to the heap paradox? Even with no copying, there will be at least a few words which will be the same. And if not that, then certainly some letters. If I've already seen "i++;" in someone else's program, am I forever forbidden to use it in my code? If not, then what is the smallest amount which is still fine?
– vsz
22 hours ago
"The proportion of the copying makes no difference" - doesn't this lead to the heap paradox? Even with no copying, there will be at least a few words which will be the same. And if not that, then certainly some letters. If I've already seen "i++;" in someone else's program, am I forever forbidden to use it in my code? If not, then what is the smallest amount which is still fine?
– vsz
22 hours ago
@vsz It's the process of copying (and representing as own result) that makes plagiarism, not the amount of it. If you by chance come up with the same combination of words as someone else, it's not plagiarism. If you report even a single number you knowingly took from somewhere else, and you don't cite, it's plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
@vsz It's the process of copying (and representing as own result) that makes plagiarism, not the amount of it. If you by chance come up with the same combination of words as someone else, it's not plagiarism. If you report even a single number you knowingly took from somewhere else, and you don't cite, it's plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
Regarding your "i++" example, it is indeed copying, but as now one will assume that you came up with that on your own, and you don't explicitly claim that this is your fancy new idea, it's not plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
Regarding your "i++" example, it is indeed copying, but as now one will assume that you came up with that on your own, and you don't explicitly claim that this is your fancy new idea, it's not plagiarism.
– silvado
18 hours ago
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This was decades ago, but one of my professors told me, "I will accept work from you as "original" if you can produce it from memory without help." This would not include copy-pasting.
The reason for this test is to track your level of learning. If you could reproduce the table from memory, you would inevitably come up with some (perhaps small) difference from your friend's table. That would signify your learning the material.
You do not appear to have met that test.
answered yesterday
Tom AuTom Au
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This seems like a poor test for this scenario. Presumably OP now knows how to make tables in powerpoint (it is really quite easy, one or two clicks and its done). But you cant reasonably expect people to have memorized the data within their table. So I guess tables never count as original work? Or maybe with an exception for data, it does count as original work for OP? Neither seems right to me. We also have yet to get confirmation from OP that "copied his table" means literally copy/paste or a manual equilalent. It could mean that OP used the same row/column labels and style as his friend.
– Matt
yesterday
Finally, your test seems to be based on what OP "could" do, but then draw conclusions based on what he did do. We dont know that OP cant make such a table on his own. Plagiarism isnt based on what people can do, but what they have done.
– Matt
yesterday
@Matt: At this time, we don't know that the OP CAN reproduce this table from memory. We do know that he "copied." So the way for him to correct this is to "pull" the table that he submitted, and replace it with his own work, if it is not too late. And worst come to worst, maybe he'll learn something for next time.But if he had done it right the first time, there would be no need for him to worry about plagiarizing, or ask the question.
– Tom Au
23 hours ago
Yes. That is correct.
– Matt
23 hours ago
add a comment |
This was decades ago, but one of my professors told me, "I will accept work from you as "original" if you can produce it from memory without help." This would not include copy-pasting.
The reason for this test is to track your level of learning. If you could reproduce the table from memory, you would inevitably come up with some (perhaps small) difference from your friend's table. That would signify your learning the material.
You do not appear to have met that test.
answered yesterday
Tom AuTom Au
4,98411123
2
This seems like a poor test for this scenario. Presumably OP now knows how to make tables in powerpoint (it is really quite easy, one or two clicks and its done). But you cant reasonably expect people to have memorized the data within their table. So I guess tables never count as original work? Or maybe with an exception for data, it does count as original work for OP? Neither seems right to me. We also have yet to get confirmation from OP that "copied his table" means literally copy/paste or a manual equilalent. It could mean that OP used the same row/column labels and style as his friend.
– Matt
yesterday
Finally, your test seems to be based on what OP "could" do, but then draw conclusions based on what he did do. We dont know that OP cant make such a table on his own. Plagiarism isnt based on what people can do, but what they have done.
– Matt
yesterday
@Matt: At this time, we don't know that the OP CAN reproduce this table from memory. We do know that he "copied." So the way for him to correct this is to "pull" the table that he submitted, and replace it with his own work, if it is not too late. And worst come to worst, maybe he'll learn something for next time.But if he had done it right the first time, there would be no need for him to worry about plagiarizing, or ask the question.
– Tom Au
23 hours ago
Yes. That is correct.
– Matt
23 hours ago
add a comment |
This was decades ago, but one of my professors told me, "I will accept work from you as "original" if you can produce it from memory without help." This would not include copy-pasting.
The reason for this test is to track your level of learning. If you could reproduce the table from memory, you would inevitably come up with some (perhaps small) difference from your friend's table. That would signify your learning the material.
You do not appear to have met that test.
answered yesterday
Tom AuTom Au
4,98411123
This was decades ago, but one of my professors told me, "I will accept work from you as "original" if you can produce it from memory without help." This would not include copy-pasting.
The reason for this test is to track your level of learning. If you could reproduce the table from memory, you would inevitably come up with some (perhaps small) difference from your friend's table. That would signify your learning the material.
You do not appear to have met that test.
answered yesterday
Tom AuTom Au
4,98411123
answered yesterday
Tom AuTom Au
4,98411123
answered yesterday
Tom AuTom Au
4,98411123
answered yesterday
Tom AuTom Au
4,98411123
4,98411123
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This seems like a poor test for this scenario. Presumably OP now knows how to make tables in powerpoint (it is really quite easy, one or two clicks and its done). But you cant reasonably expect people to have memorized the data within their table. So I guess tables never count as original work? Or maybe with an exception for data, it does count as original work for OP? Neither seems right to me. We also have yet to get confirmation from OP that "copied his table" means literally copy/paste or a manual equilalent. It could mean that OP used the same row/column labels and style as his friend.
– Matt
yesterday
Finally, your test seems to be based on what OP "could" do, but then draw conclusions based on what he did do. We dont know that OP cant make such a table on his own. Plagiarism isnt based on what people can do, but what they have done.
– Matt
yesterday
@Matt: At this time, we don't know that the OP CAN reproduce this table from memory. We do know that he "copied." So the way for him to correct this is to "pull" the table that he submitted, and replace it with his own work, if it is not too late. And worst come to worst, maybe he'll learn something for next time.But if he had done it right the first time, there would be no need for him to worry about plagiarizing, or ask the question.
– Tom Au
23 hours ago
Yes. That is correct.
– Matt
23 hours ago
add a comment |
2
This seems like a poor test for this scenario. Presumably OP now knows how to make tables in powerpoint (it is really quite easy, one or two clicks and its done). But you cant reasonably expect people to have memorized the data within their table. So I guess tables never count as original work? Or maybe with an exception for data, it does count as original work for OP? Neither seems right to me. We also have yet to get confirmation from OP that "copied his table" means literally copy/paste or a manual equilalent. It could mean that OP used the same row/column labels and style as his friend.
– Matt
yesterday
Finally, your test seems to be based on what OP "could" do, but then draw conclusions based on what he did do. We dont know that OP cant make such a table on his own. Plagiarism isnt based on what people can do, but what they have done.
– Matt
yesterday
@Matt: At this time, we don't know that the OP CAN reproduce this table from memory. We do know that he "copied." So the way for him to correct this is to "pull" the table that he submitted, and replace it with his own work, if it is not too late. And worst come to worst, maybe he'll learn something for next time.But if he had done it right the first time, there would be no need for him to worry about plagiarizing, or ask the question.
– Tom Au
23 hours ago
Yes. That is correct.
– Matt
23 hours ago
2
2
This seems like a poor test for this scenario. Presumably OP now knows how to make tables in powerpoint (it is really quite easy, one or two clicks and its done). But you cant reasonably expect people to have memorized the data within their table. So I guess tables never count as original work? Or maybe with an exception for data, it does count as original work for OP? Neither seems right to me. We also have yet to get confirmation from OP that "copied his table" means literally copy/paste or a manual equilalent. It could mean that OP used the same row/column labels and style as his friend.
– Matt
yesterday
This seems like a poor test for this scenario. Presumably OP now knows how to make tables in powerpoint (it is really quite easy, one or two clicks and its done). But you cant reasonably expect people to have memorized the data within their table. So I guess tables never count as original work? Or maybe with an exception for data, it does count as original work for OP? Neither seems right to me. We also have yet to get confirmation from OP that "copied his table" means literally copy/paste or a manual equilalent. It could mean that OP used the same row/column labels and style as his friend.
– Matt
yesterday
Finally, your test seems to be based on what OP "could" do, but then draw conclusions based on what he did do. We dont know that OP cant make such a table on his own. Plagiarism isnt based on what people can do, but what they have done.
– Matt
yesterday
Finally, your test seems to be based on what OP "could" do, but then draw conclusions based on what he did do. We dont know that OP cant make such a table on his own. Plagiarism isnt based on what people can do, but what they have done.
– Matt
yesterday
@Matt: At this time, we don't know that the OP CAN reproduce this table from memory. We do know that he "copied." So the way for him to correct this is to "pull" the table that he submitted, and replace it with his own work, if it is not too late. And worst come to worst, maybe he'll learn something for next time.But if he had done it right the first time, there would be no need for him to worry about plagiarizing, or ask the question.
– Tom Au
23 hours ago
@Matt: At this time, we don't know that the OP CAN reproduce this table from memory. We do know that he "copied." So the way for him to correct this is to "pull" the table that he submitted, and replace it with his own work, if it is not too late. And worst come to worst, maybe he'll learn something for next time.But if he had done it right the first time, there would be no need for him to worry about plagiarizing, or ask the question.
– Tom Au
23 hours ago
Yes. That is correct.
– Matt
23 hours ago
Yes. That is correct.
– Matt
23 hours ago
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This is definitely not plagiarism. It's like saying you copied Microsoft's works for using PowerPoint to do your presentation. Both Microsoft and your friend created an environment for you to do your works. You don't have to give them any credit.
Your friend didn't do the works for you. You did all of it yourself.
answered 20 hours ago
SmallChessSmallChess
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I think this answer is incorrect. The OP's friend created the slides that was used in the OP's presentation, i.e. "your friend did do the works for you".
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Microsoft created the software that used in the presentation. Did Microsoft do the works? Had you ever credit Bill Gates on your presentation? Microsoft did do the works.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
I don't understand you. Microsoft created the program which OP's friend used to create the slides, and it's the slides that were used by the OP.
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Thus, the slides by OP came from help with Microsoft and the friend. We don't credit Microsoft, so why should we credit the friend? If we don't need to credit the friend, why is this a fraud? Remember, OP only used the template from the friend.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
1
@SmallChess If that bothers you, you can see it as a matter of expectations. Your teacher expects you to write the content of your slides. Your teacher expects you to use off-the-shelf office software. Not communicating that you used someone else's source material (e.g. tables) in your slides is deceptive because then people would assume that it's all your work. Not referencing Microsoft is accepted, because your teacher doesn't think you wrote your own software anyway.
– Federico Poloni
20 hours ago
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This is definitely not plagiarism. It's like saying you copied Microsoft's works for using PowerPoint to do your presentation. Both Microsoft and your friend created an environment for you to do your works. You don't have to give them any credit.
Your friend didn't do the works for you. You did all of it yourself.
answered 20 hours ago
SmallChessSmallChess
1,6381922
2
I think this answer is incorrect. The OP's friend created the slides that was used in the OP's presentation, i.e. "your friend did do the works for you".
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Microsoft created the software that used in the presentation. Did Microsoft do the works? Had you ever credit Bill Gates on your presentation? Microsoft did do the works.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
I don't understand you. Microsoft created the program which OP's friend used to create the slides, and it's the slides that were used by the OP.
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Thus, the slides by OP came from help with Microsoft and the friend. We don't credit Microsoft, so why should we credit the friend? If we don't need to credit the friend, why is this a fraud? Remember, OP only used the template from the friend.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
1
@SmallChess If that bothers you, you can see it as a matter of expectations. Your teacher expects you to write the content of your slides. Your teacher expects you to use off-the-shelf office software. Not communicating that you used someone else's source material (e.g. tables) in your slides is deceptive because then people would assume that it's all your work. Not referencing Microsoft is accepted, because your teacher doesn't think you wrote your own software anyway.
– Federico Poloni
20 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
This is definitely not plagiarism. It's like saying you copied Microsoft's works for using PowerPoint to do your presentation. Both Microsoft and your friend created an environment for you to do your works. You don't have to give them any credit.
Your friend didn't do the works for you. You did all of it yourself.
answered 20 hours ago
SmallChessSmallChess
1,6381922
This is definitely not plagiarism. It's like saying you copied Microsoft's works for using PowerPoint to do your presentation. Both Microsoft and your friend created an environment for you to do your works. You don't have to give them any credit.
Your friend didn't do the works for you. You did all of it yourself.
answered 20 hours ago
SmallChessSmallChess
1,6381922
edited 20 hours ago
answered 20 hours ago
SmallChessSmallChess
1,6381922
answered 20 hours ago
SmallChessSmallChess
1,6381922
answered 20 hours ago
SmallChessSmallChess
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I think this answer is incorrect. The OP's friend created the slides that was used in the OP's presentation, i.e. "your friend did do the works for you".
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Microsoft created the software that used in the presentation. Did Microsoft do the works? Had you ever credit Bill Gates on your presentation? Microsoft did do the works.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
I don't understand you. Microsoft created the program which OP's friend used to create the slides, and it's the slides that were used by the OP.
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Thus, the slides by OP came from help with Microsoft and the friend. We don't credit Microsoft, so why should we credit the friend? If we don't need to credit the friend, why is this a fraud? Remember, OP only used the template from the friend.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
1
@SmallChess If that bothers you, you can see it as a matter of expectations. Your teacher expects you to write the content of your slides. Your teacher expects you to use off-the-shelf office software. Not communicating that you used someone else's source material (e.g. tables) in your slides is deceptive because then people would assume that it's all your work. Not referencing Microsoft is accepted, because your teacher doesn't think you wrote your own software anyway.
– Federico Poloni
20 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
2
I think this answer is incorrect. The OP's friend created the slides that was used in the OP's presentation, i.e. "your friend did do the works for you".
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Microsoft created the software that used in the presentation. Did Microsoft do the works? Had you ever credit Bill Gates on your presentation? Microsoft did do the works.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
I don't understand you. Microsoft created the program which OP's friend used to create the slides, and it's the slides that were used by the OP.
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Thus, the slides by OP came from help with Microsoft and the friend. We don't credit Microsoft, so why should we credit the friend? If we don't need to credit the friend, why is this a fraud? Remember, OP only used the template from the friend.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
1
@SmallChess If that bothers you, you can see it as a matter of expectations. Your teacher expects you to write the content of your slides. Your teacher expects you to use off-the-shelf office software. Not communicating that you used someone else's source material (e.g. tables) in your slides is deceptive because then people would assume that it's all your work. Not referencing Microsoft is accepted, because your teacher doesn't think you wrote your own software anyway.
– Federico Poloni
20 hours ago
2
2
I think this answer is incorrect. The OP's friend created the slides that was used in the OP's presentation, i.e. "your friend did do the works for you".
– Allure
20 hours ago
I think this answer is incorrect. The OP's friend created the slides that was used in the OP's presentation, i.e. "your friend did do the works for you".
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Microsoft created the software that used in the presentation. Did Microsoft do the works? Had you ever credit Bill Gates on your presentation? Microsoft did do the works.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
@Allure Microsoft created the software that used in the presentation. Did Microsoft do the works? Had you ever credit Bill Gates on your presentation? Microsoft did do the works.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
I don't understand you. Microsoft created the program which OP's friend used to create the slides, and it's the slides that were used by the OP.
– Allure
20 hours ago
I don't understand you. Microsoft created the program which OP's friend used to create the slides, and it's the slides that were used by the OP.
– Allure
20 hours ago
@Allure Thus, the slides by OP came from help with Microsoft and the friend. We don't credit Microsoft, so why should we credit the friend? If we don't need to credit the friend, why is this a fraud? Remember, OP only used the template from the friend.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
@Allure Thus, the slides by OP came from help with Microsoft and the friend. We don't credit Microsoft, so why should we credit the friend? If we don't need to credit the friend, why is this a fraud? Remember, OP only used the template from the friend.
– SmallChess
20 hours ago
1
1
@SmallChess If that bothers you, you can see it as a matter of expectations. Your teacher expects you to write the content of your slides. Your teacher expects you to use off-the-shelf office software. Not communicating that you used someone else's source material (e.g. tables) in your slides is deceptive because then people would assume that it's all your work. Not referencing Microsoft is accepted, because your teacher doesn't think you wrote your own software anyway.
– Federico Poloni
20 hours ago
@SmallChess If that bothers you, you can see it as a matter of expectations. Your teacher expects you to write the content of your slides. Your teacher expects you to use off-the-shelf office software. Not communicating that you used someone else's source material (e.g. tables) in your slides is deceptive because then people would assume that it's all your work. Not referencing Microsoft is accepted, because your teacher doesn't think you wrote your own software anyway.
– Federico Poloni
20 hours ago
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Is the theatrics evaluated in your grade?
– A Simple Algorithm
yesterday
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This is what I tell my students: cs.umb.edu/~eb/honesty . I'd approve of your getting help, as long as you acknowledged it.
– Ethan Bolker
yesterday
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Could you expand on what you mean by 'copied his table', and what this table contains? Did you literally copy and paste it into your own slide deck? Or did you use the same row and column labels, or other formatting? Did you perhaps just use the same PowerPoint table presets? Was the contents of the table something you have no flexibility in reporting, such as raw data?
– Matt
yesterday
1
Sometimes I am really surprised by questions and answers. I can give you an entire presentation. It might be unfair to the teacher, perhaps you are not learning, and other dozen - bad or not - things. But forget plagiarism.
– Alchimista
18 hours ago