How to deal with the extreme reverberation in big cathedrals when playing the pipe organs?How does a pipe organist deal with latency or delay?How does a pipe organist deal with latency or delay?Send MIDI SysEx message based on CC or PC messageHow to learn to play the pipe organ?
How can I minimize the damage of an unstable nuclear reactor to the surrounding area?
Papers on ArXiv as main references
Why is this integration method not valid?
What could be my risk mitigation strategies if my client wants to contract UAT?
Why does the painters tape have to be blue?
Did Game of Thrones end the way that George RR Martin intended?
Does water in vacuum form a solid shell or freeze solid?
Why is the Eisenstein ideal paper so great?
Is there an idiom that means that you are in a very strong negotiation position in a negotiation?
Why do the i8080 I/O instructions take a byte-sized operand to determine the port?
Where is Jon going?
Storing voxels for a voxel Engine in C++
Gravitational Force Between Numbers
Can I render satellite deployment impossible, or at least impractical, by exploiting the Kessler syndrome?
Is it normal to "extract a paper" from a master thesis?
How to create a `range`-like iterable object of floats?
Have any humans orbited the Earth in anything other than a prograde orbit?
Why is unzipped directory exactly 4.0K (much smaller than zipped file)?
Count all vowels in string
Was this scene in S8E06 added because of fan reactions to S8E04?
What is Orcus doing with Mind Flayers in the art on the last page of Volo's Guide to Monsters?
Quantum corrections to geometry
Toxic, harassing lab environment
Ribbon Cable Cross Talk - Is there a fix after the fact?
How to deal with the extreme reverberation in big cathedrals when playing the pipe organs?
How does a pipe organist deal with latency or delay?How does a pipe organist deal with latency or delay?Send MIDI SysEx message based on CC or PC messageHow to learn to play the pipe organ?
While playing the pipe organs in cathedrals or churches with huge echo/reverberation, I noticed that along with the delay/latency (when the pipes are not close enough to the ears) comes the second problem: the reverberation.
How does the organist deal with that?
In my experience I noticed that if I slow down the tempo, that helps a little bit, but I have the feeling that is not enough and may not work always.
On YouTube I noticed an organist was shortening the note durations (playing them as staccato), making the sound a bit clearer.
Are there any specific techniques to make the melody clearer while playing in such big cathedrals? Could it be that in the place designed for the public the sound is clearer than where the organist plays?
organ pipe-organ church-music
asked May 15 at 19:02
Ionică BizăuIonică Bizău
286211
add a comment |
While playing the pipe organs in cathedrals or churches with huge echo/reverberation, I noticed that along with the delay/latency (when the pipes are not close enough to the ears) comes the second problem: the reverberation.
How does the organist deal with that?
In my experience I noticed that if I slow down the tempo, that helps a little bit, but I have the feeling that is not enough and may not work always.
On YouTube I noticed an organist was shortening the note durations (playing them as staccato), making the sound a bit clearer.
Are there any specific techniques to make the melody clearer while playing in such big cathedrals? Could it be that in the place designed for the public the sound is clearer than where the organist plays?
organ pipe-organ church-music
asked May 15 at 19:02
Ionică BizăuIonică Bizău
286211
add a comment |
While playing the pipe organs in cathedrals or churches with huge echo/reverberation, I noticed that along with the delay/latency (when the pipes are not close enough to the ears) comes the second problem: the reverberation.
How does the organist deal with that?
In my experience I noticed that if I slow down the tempo, that helps a little bit, but I have the feeling that is not enough and may not work always.
On YouTube I noticed an organist was shortening the note durations (playing them as staccato), making the sound a bit clearer.
Are there any specific techniques to make the melody clearer while playing in such big cathedrals? Could it be that in the place designed for the public the sound is clearer than where the organist plays?
organ pipe-organ church-music
asked May 15 at 19:02
Ionică BizăuIonică Bizău
286211
While playing the pipe organs in cathedrals or churches with huge echo/reverberation, I noticed that along with the delay/latency (when the pipes are not close enough to the ears) comes the second problem: the reverberation.
How does the organist deal with that?
In my experience I noticed that if I slow down the tempo, that helps a little bit, but I have the feeling that is not enough and may not work always.
On YouTube I noticed an organist was shortening the note durations (playing them as staccato), making the sound a bit clearer.
Are there any specific techniques to make the melody clearer while playing in such big cathedrals? Could it be that in the place designed for the public the sound is clearer than where the organist plays?
organ pipe-organ church-music
organ pipe-organ church-music
asked May 15 at 19:02
Ionică BizăuIonică Bizău
286211
asked May 15 at 19:02
Ionică BizăuIonică Bizău
286211
asked May 15 at 19:02
Ionică BizăuIonică Bizău
286211
asked May 15 at 19:02
Ionică BizăuIonică Bizău
286211
asked May 15 at 19:02
Ionică BizăuIonică Bizău
286211
286211
add a comment |
add a comment |
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
Organists are one of the very few groups of musicians who have to learn not to listen to what they are playing, because (except for situations where a detached playing console is in the middle of the building) what they hear while playing has no resemblance to what the audience is hearing.
Even with a relatively small pipe organ with the console "built in" to the instrument, what the organist hears is heavily muffled by the structure of the organ case (which is designed to project the sound over his/her head!) and the tonal balance of different stops will be distorted by their different physical locations in the instrument.
If you are faced with an unfamiliar instrument, one option is simply to listen to someone else playing, from the audience's position. At least with modern communication technology like cellphones, you don't have to try to shout instructions to each other over the noise of the instrument!
The technical solutions to the problem are mainly articulation and registration. If you ensure the frequency spectrum if the "melody" and "accompaniment" are sufficiently different, the melody will be heard as such. This is actually a similar technical problem to mixing recorded music.
The non-technical solution is to choose your music carefully. Specifically, music written by composers who were also organists is more likely to work than arrangements of non-organ music made by non-organists. Whatever period of music you choose, Bach, Couperin, Mendelssohn, Franck, Widor, Messiaen, etc wrote "organ music that works" - and often is very hard to arrange successfully for any other medium.
answered May 15 at 19:52
guestguest
712
New contributor
guest is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
1
However, arrangements of non-organ music by organists may work. Some of the Englishman Edwin Lemare's arrangements are rather good (if fiendishly difficult!)
– Andrew Leach
May 15 at 23:30
and to some extent, if the room acoustics are rotten, you and the audience are stuck with the results :-( .
– Carl Witthoft
May 16 at 13:13
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "240"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmusic.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f84898%2fhow-to-deal-with-the-extreme-reverberation-in-big-cathedrals-when-playing-the-pi%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
1 Answer
1
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
Organists are one of the very few groups of musicians who have to learn not to listen to what they are playing, because (except for situations where a detached playing console is in the middle of the building) what they hear while playing has no resemblance to what the audience is hearing.
Even with a relatively small pipe organ with the console "built in" to the instrument, what the organist hears is heavily muffled by the structure of the organ case (which is designed to project the sound over his/her head!) and the tonal balance of different stops will be distorted by their different physical locations in the instrument.
If you are faced with an unfamiliar instrument, one option is simply to listen to someone else playing, from the audience's position. At least with modern communication technology like cellphones, you don't have to try to shout instructions to each other over the noise of the instrument!
The technical solutions to the problem are mainly articulation and registration. If you ensure the frequency spectrum if the "melody" and "accompaniment" are sufficiently different, the melody will be heard as such. This is actually a similar technical problem to mixing recorded music.
The non-technical solution is to choose your music carefully. Specifically, music written by composers who were also organists is more likely to work than arrangements of non-organ music made by non-organists. Whatever period of music you choose, Bach, Couperin, Mendelssohn, Franck, Widor, Messiaen, etc wrote "organ music that works" - and often is very hard to arrange successfully for any other medium.
answered May 15 at 19:52
guestguest
712
New contributor
guest is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
1
However, arrangements of non-organ music by organists may work. Some of the Englishman Edwin Lemare's arrangements are rather good (if fiendishly difficult!)
– Andrew Leach
May 15 at 23:30
and to some extent, if the room acoustics are rotten, you and the audience are stuck with the results :-( .
– Carl Witthoft
May 16 at 13:13
add a comment |
Organists are one of the very few groups of musicians who have to learn not to listen to what they are playing, because (except for situations where a detached playing console is in the middle of the building) what they hear while playing has no resemblance to what the audience is hearing.
Even with a relatively small pipe organ with the console "built in" to the instrument, what the organist hears is heavily muffled by the structure of the organ case (which is designed to project the sound over his/her head!) and the tonal balance of different stops will be distorted by their different physical locations in the instrument.
If you are faced with an unfamiliar instrument, one option is simply to listen to someone else playing, from the audience's position. At least with modern communication technology like cellphones, you don't have to try to shout instructions to each other over the noise of the instrument!
The technical solutions to the problem are mainly articulation and registration. If you ensure the frequency spectrum if the "melody" and "accompaniment" are sufficiently different, the melody will be heard as such. This is actually a similar technical problem to mixing recorded music.
The non-technical solution is to choose your music carefully. Specifically, music written by composers who were also organists is more likely to work than arrangements of non-organ music made by non-organists. Whatever period of music you choose, Bach, Couperin, Mendelssohn, Franck, Widor, Messiaen, etc wrote "organ music that works" - and often is very hard to arrange successfully for any other medium.
answered May 15 at 19:52
guestguest
712
New contributor
guest is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
1
However, arrangements of non-organ music by organists may work. Some of the Englishman Edwin Lemare's arrangements are rather good (if fiendishly difficult!)
– Andrew Leach
May 15 at 23:30
and to some extent, if the room acoustics are rotten, you and the audience are stuck with the results :-( .
– Carl Witthoft
May 16 at 13:13
add a comment |
Organists are one of the very few groups of musicians who have to learn not to listen to what they are playing, because (except for situations where a detached playing console is in the middle of the building) what they hear while playing has no resemblance to what the audience is hearing.
Even with a relatively small pipe organ with the console "built in" to the instrument, what the organist hears is heavily muffled by the structure of the organ case (which is designed to project the sound over his/her head!) and the tonal balance of different stops will be distorted by their different physical locations in the instrument.
If you are faced with an unfamiliar instrument, one option is simply to listen to someone else playing, from the audience's position. At least with modern communication technology like cellphones, you don't have to try to shout instructions to each other over the noise of the instrument!
The technical solutions to the problem are mainly articulation and registration. If you ensure the frequency spectrum if the "melody" and "accompaniment" are sufficiently different, the melody will be heard as such. This is actually a similar technical problem to mixing recorded music.
The non-technical solution is to choose your music carefully. Specifically, music written by composers who were also organists is more likely to work than arrangements of non-organ music made by non-organists. Whatever period of music you choose, Bach, Couperin, Mendelssohn, Franck, Widor, Messiaen, etc wrote "organ music that works" - and often is very hard to arrange successfully for any other medium.
answered May 15 at 19:52
guestguest
712
New contributor
guest is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
Organists are one of the very few groups of musicians who have to learn not to listen to what they are playing, because (except for situations where a detached playing console is in the middle of the building) what they hear while playing has no resemblance to what the audience is hearing.
Even with a relatively small pipe organ with the console "built in" to the instrument, what the organist hears is heavily muffled by the structure of the organ case (which is designed to project the sound over his/her head!) and the tonal balance of different stops will be distorted by their different physical locations in the instrument.
If you are faced with an unfamiliar instrument, one option is simply to listen to someone else playing, from the audience's position. At least with modern communication technology like cellphones, you don't have to try to shout instructions to each other over the noise of the instrument!
The technical solutions to the problem are mainly articulation and registration. If you ensure the frequency spectrum if the "melody" and "accompaniment" are sufficiently different, the melody will be heard as such. This is actually a similar technical problem to mixing recorded music.
The non-technical solution is to choose your music carefully. Specifically, music written by composers who were also organists is more likely to work than arrangements of non-organ music made by non-organists. Whatever period of music you choose, Bach, Couperin, Mendelssohn, Franck, Widor, Messiaen, etc wrote "organ music that works" - and often is very hard to arrange successfully for any other medium.
answered May 15 at 19:52
guestguest
712
New contributor
guest is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
edited May 15 at 20:00
answered May 15 at 19:52
guestguest
712
New contributor
guest is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
answered May 15 at 19:52
guestguest
712
answered May 15 at 19:52
guestguest
712
712
New contributor
guest is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
guest is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
1
However, arrangements of non-organ music by organists may work. Some of the Englishman Edwin Lemare's arrangements are rather good (if fiendishly difficult!)
– Andrew Leach
May 15 at 23:30
and to some extent, if the room acoustics are rotten, you and the audience are stuck with the results :-( .
– Carl Witthoft
May 16 at 13:13
add a comment |
1
However, arrangements of non-organ music by organists may work. Some of the Englishman Edwin Lemare's arrangements are rather good (if fiendishly difficult!)
– Andrew Leach
May 15 at 23:30
and to some extent, if the room acoustics are rotten, you and the audience are stuck with the results :-( .
– Carl Witthoft
May 16 at 13:13
1
1
However, arrangements of non-organ music by organists may work. Some of the Englishman Edwin Lemare's arrangements are rather good (if fiendishly difficult!)
– Andrew Leach
May 15 at 23:30
However, arrangements of non-organ music by organists may work. Some of the Englishman Edwin Lemare's arrangements are rather good (if fiendishly difficult!)
– Andrew Leach
May 15 at 23:30
and to some extent, if the room acoustics are rotten, you and the audience are stuck with the results :-( .
– Carl Witthoft
May 16 at 13:13
and to some extent, if the room acoustics are rotten, you and the audience are stuck with the results :-( .
– Carl Witthoft
May 16 at 13:13
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Music: Practice & Theory Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmusic.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f84898%2fhow-to-deal-with-the-extreme-reverberation-in-big-cathedrals-when-playing-the-pi%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
