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Why does sound not move through a wall? [duplicate]
Why is sound reflected and not transmitted through a wall?Keeping air in a giant gravitationally-bound space balloonSound waves through a glass filled with liquidHow does sound travel in space?Accelerating faster per second than the speed of sound?The Doppler effect in a medium like air (sound) versus the electromagnetic Doppler effectThe Mysterious Reverb in a Jar of Hair GelWhy doesn't amplitude affect the speed of sound?The logarithmic decay of WIFIWhy does sound absorption in oceans depend on the pH?What prevents sound to be just wind?
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I'm learning a bit about sound and was wondering:
If the speed of sound is determined by the amount of matter the source is surrounded with, why doesn't it go through a wall?
Example:
Speed of sound in air is 343 m/s but in water, it moves at 1500 m/s because of the increase of matter surrounding it. And since iron has more tightly packed matter, it moves even faster because it's moving the matter to move the vibrations.
If this is true, why doesn't the sound go through walls? Is it because it loses its "strength" for the amount it travels?
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I'm learning a bit about sound and was wondering:
If the speed of sound is determined by the amount of matter the source is surrounded with, why doesn't it go through a wall?
Example:
Speed of sound in air is 343 m/s but in water, it moves at 1500 m/s because of the increase of matter surrounding it. And since iron has more tightly packed matter, it moves even faster because it's moving the matter to move the vibrations.
If this is true, why doesn't the sound go through walls? Is it because it loses its "strength" for the amount it travels?
waves pressure acoustics density
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It doesn't? Lucky you...
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I once spent a few days in a student apartment in Spain with a young couple living in the apartment next door, let me emphasise that sound definitely goes through walls.
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@Tom - No experience with Spain, but I have been to China, at something similar to what you're describing, and boy oh boy, you could hear in the middle of the night things that would not be appropriate to discuss on this forum. Not to mention, conversations in the hallway, even with doors closed, way down in the elevator lobby, well enough to make out every single word.
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I'm learning a bit about sound and was wondering:
If the speed of sound is determined by the amount of matter the source is surrounded with, why doesn't it go through a wall?
Example:
Speed of sound in air is 343 m/s but in water, it moves at 1500 m/s because of the increase of matter surrounding it. And since iron has more tightly packed matter, it moves even faster because it's moving the matter to move the vibrations.
If this is true, why doesn't the sound go through walls? Is it because it loses its "strength" for the amount it travels?
waves pressure acoustics density
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Why is sound reflected and not transmitted through a wall?
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I'm learning a bit about sound and was wondering:
If the speed of sound is determined by the amount of matter the source is surrounded with, why doesn't it go through a wall?
Example:
Speed of sound in air is 343 m/s but in water, it moves at 1500 m/s because of the increase of matter surrounding it. And since iron has more tightly packed matter, it moves even faster because it's moving the matter to move the vibrations.
If this is true, why doesn't the sound go through walls? Is it because it loses its "strength" for the amount it travels?
This question already has an answer here:
Why is sound reflected and not transmitted through a wall?
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I once spent a few days in a student apartment in Spain with a young couple living in the apartment next door, let me emphasise that sound definitely goes through walls.
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@Tom - No experience with Spain, but I have been to China, at something similar to what you're describing, and boy oh boy, you could hear in the middle of the night things that would not be appropriate to discuss on this forum. Not to mention, conversations in the hallway, even with doors closed, way down in the elevator lobby, well enough to make out every single word.
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I once spent a few days in a student apartment in Spain with a young couple living in the apartment next door, let me emphasise that sound definitely goes through walls.
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@Tom - No experience with Spain, but I have been to China, at something similar to what you're describing, and boy oh boy, you could hear in the middle of the night things that would not be appropriate to discuss on this forum. Not to mention, conversations in the hallway, even with doors closed, way down in the elevator lobby, well enough to make out every single word.
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It doesn't? Lucky you...
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I once spent a few days in a student apartment in Spain with a young couple living in the apartment next door, let me emphasise that sound definitely goes through walls.
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I once spent a few days in a student apartment in Spain with a young couple living in the apartment next door, let me emphasise that sound definitely goes through walls.
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– Tom
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@Tom - No experience with Spain, but I have been to China, at something similar to what you're describing, and boy oh boy, you could hear in the middle of the night things that would not be appropriate to discuss on this forum. Not to mention, conversations in the hallway, even with doors closed, way down in the elevator lobby, well enough to make out every single word.
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@Tom - No experience with Spain, but I have been to China, at something similar to what you're describing, and boy oh boy, you could hear in the middle of the night things that would not be appropriate to discuss on this forum. Not to mention, conversations in the hallway, even with doors closed, way down in the elevator lobby, well enough to make out every single word.
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Sound doesn't go through walls? Please tell my neighbor.
In electromagnetism, a medium has a property called an "impedance" which is related to the index of refraction and the speed of waves in the medium. At an interface between two media, the relative impedances determine how much of an incoming wave is transmitted or reflected, so that the entire power of the incoming wave goes somewhere. At an "impedance-matched" interface the reflection coefficient goes to zero. In signal cables and waveguides for electromagnetic waves this leads to people adding "terminating resistors" in various places, so that an incoming signal doesn't get reflected back from a cable junction. Conversely, at a junction with an impedance mis-match, the reflection coefficient is generally nonzero and not all of the power is transmitted.
You can do the same sort of analysis for sound waves moving from one medium to another. The reflection and transmission coefficients can depend on the frequency of the wave, as well, which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud: they can hear the low-frequency bass sounds just fine through the wall, but the high-frequency components (that they'd need to follow the lyrics) don't reach them.
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+1 for both a good answer and for "...which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud... [they can't] follow the lyrics." I don't recall laughing out loud while reading on this SE before.
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Suggested solution: Play more Barry White and Leonard Cohen
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@Dancrumb Those singers do have low-frequency fundamental pitches, but you still need the upper harmonics to distinguish among vowels and among consonants.
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Sound waves are just pressure oscillations; when they strike a surface they are either reflected, transmitted, or absorbed. When they're transmitted, you'll hear them on the other side.
According to Wikipedia, regarding acoustic absorption:
Deformation causes mechanical losses via conversion of part of the sound energy into heat, resulting in acoustic attenuation, mostly due to the wall's viscosity.
The fraction of sound absorbed is governed by the acoustic impedances of both media and is a function of frequency and the incident angle.
In general, soft, pliable, or porous materials (like cloths) serve as good acoustic insulators - absorbing most sound, whereas dense, hard, impenetrable materials (such as metals) reflect most.
So, walls will reflect the sound waves, as well as absorb them. The effectiveness of this depends on the material properties of the wall, as well as the frequency of the sound (low frequencies travel much easier through plywood, for instance).
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It does.
There's an important concept in soundproofing called flanking noise. There are various sources, but the most common is having sound transmitted through some kind of solid structure (walls, roof struts, door and window frames, etc.) into the soundproofed area. This is a major problem for soundproofing, and it's one of the hardest problems to solve because it's hard to completely isolate a room from its surroundings.
It also leads to interesting problems in multiple-occupancy buildings. A friend of mine used to live in a row of new-build terraced houses which had been constructed with continuous supporting girders running between houses (instead of having solid "bulkhead" walls between them, as usual for older terraced houses). The result was that a noisy neighbour at the opposite end of the row could still be heard clearly in my friend's house. Many flats have similar problems, with sound transmitted through the concrete structure. Any dense, rigid material transmits sound reasonably effectively.
Although these dense, rigid materials are good at transmitting sound along themselves from one end to the other, they're not so good at broadcasting the sound in air. For us to hear it, either we have to be close to or touching the structure itself, or the structure has to cause the air to vibrate. A flat brick wall isn't very good at vibrating, although of course it will do to some extent However, attach plasterboard (rockwall) to that wall and your plasterboard becomes a "sounding board" in the same way as the top of a guitar. Your bed frame can do the same, which is why you can hear building-transmitted sounds more clearly when lying in bed.
If you want to stop this happening, it's fairly achievable. The flat brick wall isn't great at putting energy into the air. If your plasterboard wall is not physically connected to the brick wall it's in front of, the sound has to be transmitted into the air in the gap between, into the plasterboard, and back into the air on the other side. Each step is inefficient, so you end up with a quieter room.
Don't forget the flanking noise though. Whilst you've stopped sound coming through the wall, sound also goes up the wall to the ceiling and down the wall to the floor - and your plasterboard wall inside has to be fixed to something, right? So the sound gets in that way instead. Not so much, but still plenty enough to be significant.
A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything. The isolated room is constructed as an isolated box, with no connections to the outside on the walls or ceiling. There are separate inner-room and outer-room doors with a vestibule between, so sound can't get through the door frames. And on the floor, the box sits on some kind of sprung supports (neoprene rubber for cheaper, smaller builds, or car springs for large professional installations) which transmit as little sound from the outer-room floor to the inner-room floor as possible.
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"A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything." That doesn't seem possible. The room has to connect to the house frame somehow, right?
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@JimClay Nope, that's the point. It's called "room within a room", so the inner room touches the rest of the house as little as possible. Floor and that's it, if it's done properly. And like I said, a serious job will isolate the floor as well.
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@JimClay An extreme example of vibration isolation: a floating table in a floating room, for neutron interferometry. That system has active vibration cancellation, if I recall correctly, but passive floating tables are common in optics labs.
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A Victorian book I have talks of good building practice using two separate set of joists between floors - one for the upstairs floor, a second set(mounted slightly lower) for the downstairs ceiling, to reduce sound transmission.
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Sound doesn't go through walls? Please tell my neighbor.
In electromagnetism, a medium has a property called an "impedance" which is related to the index of refraction and the speed of waves in the medium. At an interface between two media, the relative impedances determine how much of an incoming wave is transmitted or reflected, so that the entire power of the incoming wave goes somewhere. At an "impedance-matched" interface the reflection coefficient goes to zero. In signal cables and waveguides for electromagnetic waves this leads to people adding "terminating resistors" in various places, so that an incoming signal doesn't get reflected back from a cable junction. Conversely, at a junction with an impedance mis-match, the reflection coefficient is generally nonzero and not all of the power is transmitted.
You can do the same sort of analysis for sound waves moving from one medium to another. The reflection and transmission coefficients can depend on the frequency of the wave, as well, which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud: they can hear the low-frequency bass sounds just fine through the wall, but the high-frequency components (that they'd need to follow the lyrics) don't reach them.
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+1 for both a good answer and for "...which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud... [they can't] follow the lyrics." I don't recall laughing out loud while reading on this SE before.
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– J. Chris Compton
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@Dancrumb Those singers do have low-frequency fundamental pitches, but you still need the upper harmonics to distinguish among vowels and among consonants.
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Sound doesn't go through walls? Please tell my neighbor.
In electromagnetism, a medium has a property called an "impedance" which is related to the index of refraction and the speed of waves in the medium. At an interface between two media, the relative impedances determine how much of an incoming wave is transmitted or reflected, so that the entire power of the incoming wave goes somewhere. At an "impedance-matched" interface the reflection coefficient goes to zero. In signal cables and waveguides for electromagnetic waves this leads to people adding "terminating resistors" in various places, so that an incoming signal doesn't get reflected back from a cable junction. Conversely, at a junction with an impedance mis-match, the reflection coefficient is generally nonzero and not all of the power is transmitted.
You can do the same sort of analysis for sound waves moving from one medium to another. The reflection and transmission coefficients can depend on the frequency of the wave, as well, which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud: they can hear the low-frequency bass sounds just fine through the wall, but the high-frequency components (that they'd need to follow the lyrics) don't reach them.
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+1 for both a good answer and for "...which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud... [they can't] follow the lyrics." I don't recall laughing out loud while reading on this SE before.
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Suggested solution: Play more Barry White and Leonard Cohen
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@Dancrumb Those singers do have low-frequency fundamental pitches, but you still need the upper harmonics to distinguish among vowels and among consonants.
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Sound doesn't go through walls? Please tell my neighbor.
In electromagnetism, a medium has a property called an "impedance" which is related to the index of refraction and the speed of waves in the medium. At an interface between two media, the relative impedances determine how much of an incoming wave is transmitted or reflected, so that the entire power of the incoming wave goes somewhere. At an "impedance-matched" interface the reflection coefficient goes to zero. In signal cables and waveguides for electromagnetic waves this leads to people adding "terminating resistors" in various places, so that an incoming signal doesn't get reflected back from a cable junction. Conversely, at a junction with an impedance mis-match, the reflection coefficient is generally nonzero and not all of the power is transmitted.
You can do the same sort of analysis for sound waves moving from one medium to another. The reflection and transmission coefficients can depend on the frequency of the wave, as well, which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud: they can hear the low-frequency bass sounds just fine through the wall, but the high-frequency components (that they'd need to follow the lyrics) don't reach them.
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Sound doesn't go through walls? Please tell my neighbor.
In electromagnetism, a medium has a property called an "impedance" which is related to the index of refraction and the speed of waves in the medium. At an interface between two media, the relative impedances determine how much of an incoming wave is transmitted or reflected, so that the entire power of the incoming wave goes somewhere. At an "impedance-matched" interface the reflection coefficient goes to zero. In signal cables and waveguides for electromagnetic waves this leads to people adding "terminating resistors" in various places, so that an incoming signal doesn't get reflected back from a cable junction. Conversely, at a junction with an impedance mis-match, the reflection coefficient is generally nonzero and not all of the power is transmitted.
You can do the same sort of analysis for sound waves moving from one medium to another. The reflection and transmission coefficients can depend on the frequency of the wave, as well, which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud: they can hear the low-frequency bass sounds just fine through the wall, but the high-frequency components (that they'd need to follow the lyrics) don't reach them.
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+1 for both a good answer and for "...which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud... [they can't] follow the lyrics." I don't recall laughing out loud while reading on this SE before.
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– J. Chris Compton
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Suggested solution: Play more Barry White and Leonard Cohen
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@Dancrumb Those singers do have low-frequency fundamental pitches, but you still need the upper harmonics to distinguish among vowels and among consonants.
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+1 for both a good answer and for "...which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud... [they can't] follow the lyrics." I don't recall laughing out loud while reading on this SE before.
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– J. Chris Compton
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Suggested solution: Play more Barry White and Leonard Cohen
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@Dancrumb Those singers do have low-frequency fundamental pitches, but you still need the upper harmonics to distinguish among vowels and among consonants.
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+1 for both a good answer and for "...which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud... [they can't] follow the lyrics." I don't recall laughing out loud while reading on this SE before.
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– J. Chris Compton
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+1 for both a good answer and for "...which is why my neighbor complains when I have my music turned up too loud... [they can't] follow the lyrics." I don't recall laughing out loud while reading on this SE before.
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@Dancrumb Those singers do have low-frequency fundamental pitches, but you still need the upper harmonics to distinguish among vowels and among consonants.
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@Dancrumb Those singers do have low-frequency fundamental pitches, but you still need the upper harmonics to distinguish among vowels and among consonants.
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Sound waves are just pressure oscillations; when they strike a surface they are either reflected, transmitted, or absorbed. When they're transmitted, you'll hear them on the other side.
According to Wikipedia, regarding acoustic absorption:
Deformation causes mechanical losses via conversion of part of the sound energy into heat, resulting in acoustic attenuation, mostly due to the wall's viscosity.
The fraction of sound absorbed is governed by the acoustic impedances of both media and is a function of frequency and the incident angle.
In general, soft, pliable, or porous materials (like cloths) serve as good acoustic insulators - absorbing most sound, whereas dense, hard, impenetrable materials (such as metals) reflect most.
So, walls will reflect the sound waves, as well as absorb them. The effectiveness of this depends on the material properties of the wall, as well as the frequency of the sound (low frequencies travel much easier through plywood, for instance).
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Sound waves are just pressure oscillations; when they strike a surface they are either reflected, transmitted, or absorbed. When they're transmitted, you'll hear them on the other side.
According to Wikipedia, regarding acoustic absorption:
Deformation causes mechanical losses via conversion of part of the sound energy into heat, resulting in acoustic attenuation, mostly due to the wall's viscosity.
The fraction of sound absorbed is governed by the acoustic impedances of both media and is a function of frequency and the incident angle.
In general, soft, pliable, or porous materials (like cloths) serve as good acoustic insulators - absorbing most sound, whereas dense, hard, impenetrable materials (such as metals) reflect most.
So, walls will reflect the sound waves, as well as absorb them. The effectiveness of this depends on the material properties of the wall, as well as the frequency of the sound (low frequencies travel much easier through plywood, for instance).
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Sound waves are just pressure oscillations; when they strike a surface they are either reflected, transmitted, or absorbed. When they're transmitted, you'll hear them on the other side.
According to Wikipedia, regarding acoustic absorption:
Deformation causes mechanical losses via conversion of part of the sound energy into heat, resulting in acoustic attenuation, mostly due to the wall's viscosity.
The fraction of sound absorbed is governed by the acoustic impedances of both media and is a function of frequency and the incident angle.
In general, soft, pliable, or porous materials (like cloths) serve as good acoustic insulators - absorbing most sound, whereas dense, hard, impenetrable materials (such as metals) reflect most.
So, walls will reflect the sound waves, as well as absorb them. The effectiveness of this depends on the material properties of the wall, as well as the frequency of the sound (low frequencies travel much easier through plywood, for instance).
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Sound waves are just pressure oscillations; when they strike a surface they are either reflected, transmitted, or absorbed. When they're transmitted, you'll hear them on the other side.
According to Wikipedia, regarding acoustic absorption:
Deformation causes mechanical losses via conversion of part of the sound energy into heat, resulting in acoustic attenuation, mostly due to the wall's viscosity.
The fraction of sound absorbed is governed by the acoustic impedances of both media and is a function of frequency and the incident angle.
In general, soft, pliable, or porous materials (like cloths) serve as good acoustic insulators - absorbing most sound, whereas dense, hard, impenetrable materials (such as metals) reflect most.
So, walls will reflect the sound waves, as well as absorb them. The effectiveness of this depends on the material properties of the wall, as well as the frequency of the sound (low frequencies travel much easier through plywood, for instance).
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It does.
There's an important concept in soundproofing called flanking noise. There are various sources, but the most common is having sound transmitted through some kind of solid structure (walls, roof struts, door and window frames, etc.) into the soundproofed area. This is a major problem for soundproofing, and it's one of the hardest problems to solve because it's hard to completely isolate a room from its surroundings.
It also leads to interesting problems in multiple-occupancy buildings. A friend of mine used to live in a row of new-build terraced houses which had been constructed with continuous supporting girders running between houses (instead of having solid "bulkhead" walls between them, as usual for older terraced houses). The result was that a noisy neighbour at the opposite end of the row could still be heard clearly in my friend's house. Many flats have similar problems, with sound transmitted through the concrete structure. Any dense, rigid material transmits sound reasonably effectively.
Although these dense, rigid materials are good at transmitting sound along themselves from one end to the other, they're not so good at broadcasting the sound in air. For us to hear it, either we have to be close to or touching the structure itself, or the structure has to cause the air to vibrate. A flat brick wall isn't very good at vibrating, although of course it will do to some extent However, attach plasterboard (rockwall) to that wall and your plasterboard becomes a "sounding board" in the same way as the top of a guitar. Your bed frame can do the same, which is why you can hear building-transmitted sounds more clearly when lying in bed.
If you want to stop this happening, it's fairly achievable. The flat brick wall isn't great at putting energy into the air. If your plasterboard wall is not physically connected to the brick wall it's in front of, the sound has to be transmitted into the air in the gap between, into the plasterboard, and back into the air on the other side. Each step is inefficient, so you end up with a quieter room.
Don't forget the flanking noise though. Whilst you've stopped sound coming through the wall, sound also goes up the wall to the ceiling and down the wall to the floor - and your plasterboard wall inside has to be fixed to something, right? So the sound gets in that way instead. Not so much, but still plenty enough to be significant.
A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything. The isolated room is constructed as an isolated box, with no connections to the outside on the walls or ceiling. There are separate inner-room and outer-room doors with a vestibule between, so sound can't get through the door frames. And on the floor, the box sits on some kind of sprung supports (neoprene rubber for cheaper, smaller builds, or car springs for large professional installations) which transmit as little sound from the outer-room floor to the inner-room floor as possible.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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"A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything." That doesn't seem possible. The room has to connect to the house frame somehow, right?
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– Jim Clay
2 days ago
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@JimClay Nope, that's the point. It's called "room within a room", so the inner room touches the rest of the house as little as possible. Floor and that's it, if it's done properly. And like I said, a serious job will isolate the floor as well.
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– Graham
2 days ago
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@JimClay An extreme example of vibration isolation: a floating table in a floating room, for neutron interferometry. That system has active vibration cancellation, if I recall correctly, but passive floating tables are common in optics labs.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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A Victorian book I have talks of good building practice using two separate set of joists between floors - one for the upstairs floor, a second set(mounted slightly lower) for the downstairs ceiling, to reduce sound transmission.
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– Brian Drummond
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It does.
There's an important concept in soundproofing called flanking noise. There are various sources, but the most common is having sound transmitted through some kind of solid structure (walls, roof struts, door and window frames, etc.) into the soundproofed area. This is a major problem for soundproofing, and it's one of the hardest problems to solve because it's hard to completely isolate a room from its surroundings.
It also leads to interesting problems in multiple-occupancy buildings. A friend of mine used to live in a row of new-build terraced houses which had been constructed with continuous supporting girders running between houses (instead of having solid "bulkhead" walls between them, as usual for older terraced houses). The result was that a noisy neighbour at the opposite end of the row could still be heard clearly in my friend's house. Many flats have similar problems, with sound transmitted through the concrete structure. Any dense, rigid material transmits sound reasonably effectively.
Although these dense, rigid materials are good at transmitting sound along themselves from one end to the other, they're not so good at broadcasting the sound in air. For us to hear it, either we have to be close to or touching the structure itself, or the structure has to cause the air to vibrate. A flat brick wall isn't very good at vibrating, although of course it will do to some extent However, attach plasterboard (rockwall) to that wall and your plasterboard becomes a "sounding board" in the same way as the top of a guitar. Your bed frame can do the same, which is why you can hear building-transmitted sounds more clearly when lying in bed.
If you want to stop this happening, it's fairly achievable. The flat brick wall isn't great at putting energy into the air. If your plasterboard wall is not physically connected to the brick wall it's in front of, the sound has to be transmitted into the air in the gap between, into the plasterboard, and back into the air on the other side. Each step is inefficient, so you end up with a quieter room.
Don't forget the flanking noise though. Whilst you've stopped sound coming through the wall, sound also goes up the wall to the ceiling and down the wall to the floor - and your plasterboard wall inside has to be fixed to something, right? So the sound gets in that way instead. Not so much, but still plenty enough to be significant.
A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything. The isolated room is constructed as an isolated box, with no connections to the outside on the walls or ceiling. There are separate inner-room and outer-room doors with a vestibule between, so sound can't get through the door frames. And on the floor, the box sits on some kind of sprung supports (neoprene rubber for cheaper, smaller builds, or car springs for large professional installations) which transmit as little sound from the outer-room floor to the inner-room floor as possible.
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I like this answer much better than the one I wrote.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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"A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything." That doesn't seem possible. The room has to connect to the house frame somehow, right?
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– Jim Clay
2 days ago
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@JimClay Nope, that's the point. It's called "room within a room", so the inner room touches the rest of the house as little as possible. Floor and that's it, if it's done properly. And like I said, a serious job will isolate the floor as well.
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– Graham
2 days ago
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@JimClay An extreme example of vibration isolation: a floating table in a floating room, for neutron interferometry. That system has active vibration cancellation, if I recall correctly, but passive floating tables are common in optics labs.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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A Victorian book I have talks of good building practice using two separate set of joists between floors - one for the upstairs floor, a second set(mounted slightly lower) for the downstairs ceiling, to reduce sound transmission.
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– Brian Drummond
yesterday
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It does.
There's an important concept in soundproofing called flanking noise. There are various sources, but the most common is having sound transmitted through some kind of solid structure (walls, roof struts, door and window frames, etc.) into the soundproofed area. This is a major problem for soundproofing, and it's one of the hardest problems to solve because it's hard to completely isolate a room from its surroundings.
It also leads to interesting problems in multiple-occupancy buildings. A friend of mine used to live in a row of new-build terraced houses which had been constructed with continuous supporting girders running between houses (instead of having solid "bulkhead" walls between them, as usual for older terraced houses). The result was that a noisy neighbour at the opposite end of the row could still be heard clearly in my friend's house. Many flats have similar problems, with sound transmitted through the concrete structure. Any dense, rigid material transmits sound reasonably effectively.
Although these dense, rigid materials are good at transmitting sound along themselves from one end to the other, they're not so good at broadcasting the sound in air. For us to hear it, either we have to be close to or touching the structure itself, or the structure has to cause the air to vibrate. A flat brick wall isn't very good at vibrating, although of course it will do to some extent However, attach plasterboard (rockwall) to that wall and your plasterboard becomes a "sounding board" in the same way as the top of a guitar. Your bed frame can do the same, which is why you can hear building-transmitted sounds more clearly when lying in bed.
If you want to stop this happening, it's fairly achievable. The flat brick wall isn't great at putting energy into the air. If your plasterboard wall is not physically connected to the brick wall it's in front of, the sound has to be transmitted into the air in the gap between, into the plasterboard, and back into the air on the other side. Each step is inefficient, so you end up with a quieter room.
Don't forget the flanking noise though. Whilst you've stopped sound coming through the wall, sound also goes up the wall to the ceiling and down the wall to the floor - and your plasterboard wall inside has to be fixed to something, right? So the sound gets in that way instead. Not so much, but still plenty enough to be significant.
A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything. The isolated room is constructed as an isolated box, with no connections to the outside on the walls or ceiling. There are separate inner-room and outer-room doors with a vestibule between, so sound can't get through the door frames. And on the floor, the box sits on some kind of sprung supports (neoprene rubber for cheaper, smaller builds, or car springs for large professional installations) which transmit as little sound from the outer-room floor to the inner-room floor as possible.
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It does.
There's an important concept in soundproofing called flanking noise. There are various sources, but the most common is having sound transmitted through some kind of solid structure (walls, roof struts, door and window frames, etc.) into the soundproofed area. This is a major problem for soundproofing, and it's one of the hardest problems to solve because it's hard to completely isolate a room from its surroundings.
It also leads to interesting problems in multiple-occupancy buildings. A friend of mine used to live in a row of new-build terraced houses which had been constructed with continuous supporting girders running between houses (instead of having solid "bulkhead" walls between them, as usual for older terraced houses). The result was that a noisy neighbour at the opposite end of the row could still be heard clearly in my friend's house. Many flats have similar problems, with sound transmitted through the concrete structure. Any dense, rigid material transmits sound reasonably effectively.
Although these dense, rigid materials are good at transmitting sound along themselves from one end to the other, they're not so good at broadcasting the sound in air. For us to hear it, either we have to be close to or touching the structure itself, or the structure has to cause the air to vibrate. A flat brick wall isn't very good at vibrating, although of course it will do to some extent However, attach plasterboard (rockwall) to that wall and your plasterboard becomes a "sounding board" in the same way as the top of a guitar. Your bed frame can do the same, which is why you can hear building-transmitted sounds more clearly when lying in bed.
If you want to stop this happening, it's fairly achievable. The flat brick wall isn't great at putting energy into the air. If your plasterboard wall is not physically connected to the brick wall it's in front of, the sound has to be transmitted into the air in the gap between, into the plasterboard, and back into the air on the other side. Each step is inefficient, so you end up with a quieter room.
Don't forget the flanking noise though. Whilst you've stopped sound coming through the wall, sound also goes up the wall to the ceiling and down the wall to the floor - and your plasterboard wall inside has to be fixed to something, right? So the sound gets in that way instead. Not so much, but still plenty enough to be significant.
A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything. The isolated room is constructed as an isolated box, with no connections to the outside on the walls or ceiling. There are separate inner-room and outer-room doors with a vestibule between, so sound can't get through the door frames. And on the floor, the box sits on some kind of sprung supports (neoprene rubber for cheaper, smaller builds, or car springs for large professional installations) which transmit as little sound from the outer-room floor to the inner-room floor as possible.
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I like this answer much better than the one I wrote.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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"A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything." That doesn't seem possible. The room has to connect to the house frame somehow, right?
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– Jim Clay
2 days ago
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@JimClay Nope, that's the point. It's called "room within a room", so the inner room touches the rest of the house as little as possible. Floor and that's it, if it's done properly. And like I said, a serious job will isolate the floor as well.
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– Graham
2 days ago
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@JimClay An extreme example of vibration isolation: a floating table in a floating room, for neutron interferometry. That system has active vibration cancellation, if I recall correctly, but passive floating tables are common in optics labs.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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A Victorian book I have talks of good building practice using two separate set of joists between floors - one for the upstairs floor, a second set(mounted slightly lower) for the downstairs ceiling, to reduce sound transmission.
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– Brian Drummond
yesterday
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I like this answer much better than the one I wrote.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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"A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything." That doesn't seem possible. The room has to connect to the house frame somehow, right?
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– Jim Clay
2 days ago
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@JimClay Nope, that's the point. It's called "room within a room", so the inner room touches the rest of the house as little as possible. Floor and that's it, if it's done properly. And like I said, a serious job will isolate the floor as well.
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– Graham
2 days ago
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@JimClay An extreme example of vibration isolation: a floating table in a floating room, for neutron interferometry. That system has active vibration cancellation, if I recall correctly, but passive floating tables are common in optics labs.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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A Victorian book I have talks of good building practice using two separate set of joists between floors - one for the upstairs floor, a second set(mounted slightly lower) for the downstairs ceiling, to reduce sound transmission.
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– Brian Drummond
yesterday
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I like this answer much better than the one I wrote.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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I like this answer much better than the one I wrote.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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"A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything." That doesn't seem possible. The room has to connect to the house frame somehow, right?
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– Jim Clay
2 days ago
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"A properly acoustically-isolated room therefore doesn't attach to anything." That doesn't seem possible. The room has to connect to the house frame somehow, right?
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– Jim Clay
2 days ago
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@JimClay Nope, that's the point. It's called "room within a room", so the inner room touches the rest of the house as little as possible. Floor and that's it, if it's done properly. And like I said, a serious job will isolate the floor as well.
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– Graham
2 days ago
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@JimClay Nope, that's the point. It's called "room within a room", so the inner room touches the rest of the house as little as possible. Floor and that's it, if it's done properly. And like I said, a serious job will isolate the floor as well.
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– Graham
2 days ago
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@JimClay An extreme example of vibration isolation: a floating table in a floating room, for neutron interferometry. That system has active vibration cancellation, if I recall correctly, but passive floating tables are common in optics labs.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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@JimClay An extreme example of vibration isolation: a floating table in a floating room, for neutron interferometry. That system has active vibration cancellation, if I recall correctly, but passive floating tables are common in optics labs.
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– rob♦
2 days ago
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A Victorian book I have talks of good building practice using two separate set of joists between floors - one for the upstairs floor, a second set(mounted slightly lower) for the downstairs ceiling, to reduce sound transmission.
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– Brian Drummond
yesterday
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A Victorian book I have talks of good building practice using two separate set of joists between floors - one for the upstairs floor, a second set(mounted slightly lower) for the downstairs ceiling, to reduce sound transmission.
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– Brian Drummond
yesterday
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It doesn't? Lucky you...
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– Sean
yesterday
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I once spent a few days in a student apartment in Spain with a young couple living in the apartment next door, let me emphasise that sound definitely goes through walls.
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– Tom
yesterday
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@Tom - No experience with Spain, but I have been to China, at something similar to what you're describing, and boy oh boy, you could hear in the middle of the night things that would not be appropriate to discuss on this forum. Not to mention, conversations in the hallway, even with doors closed, way down in the elevator lobby, well enough to make out every single word.
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– The_Sympathizer
yesterday