Do objects besides strings, ropes, and rods have tension?Ropes and Pulleys - Really unintuitive answerUnderstanding tensionWhy I think tension should be twice the force in a tug of warClarification regarding Newton's Third Law of Motion and why movement is possibleForces acting on a double pulleyWhy do we consider the tension in a taut cable to be zero Newtons or Pound Force?What is the direction of Tension Force in a rope pulled at its two ends with equal forces?Tension and Newton's Third LawTension in string due to two opposite forcesTensions in objects other than ropes
Are there any documented cases of extinction of a species of fungus?
Dedicated to our #1 Fan
Pgfplots fillbetween and Tikz shade
Is an easily guessed plot twist a good plot twist?
Were Moshe's sons Jewish?
What is "ass door"?
Why can't a country print its own money to spend it only abroad?
Book in which the "mountain" in the distance was a hole in the flat world
Do I care if the housing market has gone up or down, if I'm moving from one house to another?
What kind of world would drive brains to evolve high-throughput sensory?
Considerations when providing money to one child now, and the other later?
Are stackless C++20 coroutines a problem?
Bounded Torsion, without Mazur’s Theorem
Are rockets faster than airplanes?
Was US film used in Luna 3?
Company requiring me to let them review research from before I was hired
Can you find Airpod Case using Find my iPhone?
Why is the UH-60 tail rotor canted?
Can an infinite group have a finite number of elements with order k?
Can I pay with HKD in Macau or Shenzhen?
Does downing a character at the start of its turn require an immediate Death Saving Throw?
On the history of Haar measure
Has Peter Parker ever eaten bugs?
Strange LED behavior: Why is there a voltage over the LED with only one wire connected to it?
Do objects besides strings, ropes, and rods have tension?
Ropes and Pulleys - Really unintuitive answerUnderstanding tensionWhy I think tension should be twice the force in a tug of warClarification regarding Newton's Third Law of Motion and why movement is possibleForces acting on a double pulleyWhy do we consider the tension in a taut cable to be zero Newtons or Pound Force?What is the direction of Tension Force in a rope pulled at its two ends with equal forces?Tension and Newton's Third LawTension in string due to two opposite forcesTensions in objects other than ropes
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;
$begingroup$
Why do we define tension only in strings and ropes and rods and such? Shouldn't every object experience tension force? Like when you pull a paper from opposite sides, it gets taut, and experiences what seems like a state of tension. If every object does experience tension, can you define tension?
newtonian-mechanics forces
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Why do we define tension only in strings and ropes and rods and such? Shouldn't every object experience tension force? Like when you pull a paper from opposite sides, it gets taut, and experiences what seems like a state of tension. If every object does experience tension, can you define tension?
newtonian-mechanics forces
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
The structure of a roof can have parts in tension which are not string, ropes or rods...
$endgroup$
– Solar Mike
Jul 14 at 4:55
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Why do we define tension only in strings and ropes and rods and such? Shouldn't every object experience tension force? Like when you pull a paper from opposite sides, it gets taut, and experiences what seems like a state of tension. If every object does experience tension, can you define tension?
newtonian-mechanics forces
$endgroup$
Why do we define tension only in strings and ropes and rods and such? Shouldn't every object experience tension force? Like when you pull a paper from opposite sides, it gets taut, and experiences what seems like a state of tension. If every object does experience tension, can you define tension?
newtonian-mechanics forces
newtonian-mechanics forces
edited Jul 17 at 22:14
knzhou
53.5k13 gold badges149 silver badges260 bronze badges
53.5k13 gold badges149 silver badges260 bronze badges
asked Jul 14 at 4:11
PseudonymousAJPseudonymousAJ
242 bronze badges
242 bronze badges
$begingroup$
The structure of a roof can have parts in tension which are not string, ropes or rods...
$endgroup$
– Solar Mike
Jul 14 at 4:55
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The structure of a roof can have parts in tension which are not string, ropes or rods...
$endgroup$
– Solar Mike
Jul 14 at 4:55
$begingroup$
The structure of a roof can have parts in tension which are not string, ropes or rods...
$endgroup$
– Solar Mike
Jul 14 at 4:55
$begingroup$
The structure of a roof can have parts in tension which are not string, ropes or rods...
$endgroup$
– Solar Mike
Jul 14 at 4:55
add a comment |
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Tension is not defined only for strings.
However, the unique thing about ideal strings is that they can ONLY experience tension, whereas rigid bodies can experience tensions and compression. Ideal strings would collapse.
Hope this helps
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You can think of tension as a force that helps maintain structural integrity under a tensile 'stretching' force (being quite vague here, but hold on).
Imagine a solid cylindrical rod. You can compress its ends, and there is a normal reaction you have to overcome. This normal reaction is trying to preserve the structural integrity of the rod. Tension is, in a sense, the equivalent of normal reaction but in the opposite direction - if instead of compressing, you try to pull on both ends of the rod, you have to overcome another force trying preserve the structure of your rod (by preventing it from being ripped apart). This force is what one normally calls 'tension'.
I have stressed the similarity between the normal reaction and the tension forces because they have the same origin- they arise from intermolecular interactions that describe the structure of your object. For all practical purposes, you can call normal reaction a 'compressive tension'. The point of this discussion is that, objects try to maintain their structural integrity, and it's a matter of semantics to call this 'restoring' force a normal reaction or a tension or whatever. The molecular origin of these forces are identical.
That said, sometimes it is useful to keep this distinction for intuitive clarity. An object that is hard to compress, for example a string along its length, will provide almost no normal reaction (it is very easy to squish a string), but stretching it certainly induces a tension that one must overcome before it breaks (i.e. loses it's integrity).
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
"Tension" is a simple special case of the state of stress in any solid object.
But you usually start learning about mechanics using simple situations where common-sense ideas like "tension" are all you need, rather than starting by learning about stress and strain tensors and constitutive equations in continuum mechanics!
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If you are thinking something really fundamental, there's only four acknowledged fundamental force, and the "tension"(of something like a string) was usual treated as a result of electromagnetic interaction(electromagnetic force) from the atoms or particles.
However, tension in sub particle level can also resulted from strong force, like protons inside a nuclei.
Depends, tension is just a more formal wording of the usual "stretch", it's basically a word commonly used by physicists to mention in a way that physicists can easily understand.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Pick up a brick. Try pulling it apart. What stops you from pulling it apart? It's the tension in the brick. Where does the tension in the brick come from? It comes from the inter-molecular forces inside the brick.
The same goes for strings. Here's a second example. If you look closely at a thick rope, it's made of many small strings wrapped around each other. Why is this? So that the friction in between the strings increases the available tension in the entire rope. In other words, the inter-molecular forces (in this case, friction) increase within the rope, making the rope "want" to stay together more; the more a rope wants to stay together, the more force it can handle when you try to pull it apart.
It's just like how normal force is the force from electron shells repelling each other (due to the Pauli Exclusion Principle), tension comes from a micro-scale force as well.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "151"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fphysics.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f491524%2fdo-objects-besides-strings-ropes-and-rods-have-tension%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
5 Answers
5
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Tension is not defined only for strings.
However, the unique thing about ideal strings is that they can ONLY experience tension, whereas rigid bodies can experience tensions and compression. Ideal strings would collapse.
Hope this helps
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Tension is not defined only for strings.
However, the unique thing about ideal strings is that they can ONLY experience tension, whereas rigid bodies can experience tensions and compression. Ideal strings would collapse.
Hope this helps
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Tension is not defined only for strings.
However, the unique thing about ideal strings is that they can ONLY experience tension, whereas rigid bodies can experience tensions and compression. Ideal strings would collapse.
Hope this helps
$endgroup$
Tension is not defined only for strings.
However, the unique thing about ideal strings is that they can ONLY experience tension, whereas rigid bodies can experience tensions and compression. Ideal strings would collapse.
Hope this helps
answered Jul 14 at 8:57
Bob DBob D
10.6k3 gold badges9 silver badges34 bronze badges
10.6k3 gold badges9 silver badges34 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You can think of tension as a force that helps maintain structural integrity under a tensile 'stretching' force (being quite vague here, but hold on).
Imagine a solid cylindrical rod. You can compress its ends, and there is a normal reaction you have to overcome. This normal reaction is trying to preserve the structural integrity of the rod. Tension is, in a sense, the equivalent of normal reaction but in the opposite direction - if instead of compressing, you try to pull on both ends of the rod, you have to overcome another force trying preserve the structure of your rod (by preventing it from being ripped apart). This force is what one normally calls 'tension'.
I have stressed the similarity between the normal reaction and the tension forces because they have the same origin- they arise from intermolecular interactions that describe the structure of your object. For all practical purposes, you can call normal reaction a 'compressive tension'. The point of this discussion is that, objects try to maintain their structural integrity, and it's a matter of semantics to call this 'restoring' force a normal reaction or a tension or whatever. The molecular origin of these forces are identical.
That said, sometimes it is useful to keep this distinction for intuitive clarity. An object that is hard to compress, for example a string along its length, will provide almost no normal reaction (it is very easy to squish a string), but stretching it certainly induces a tension that one must overcome before it breaks (i.e. loses it's integrity).
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You can think of tension as a force that helps maintain structural integrity under a tensile 'stretching' force (being quite vague here, but hold on).
Imagine a solid cylindrical rod. You can compress its ends, and there is a normal reaction you have to overcome. This normal reaction is trying to preserve the structural integrity of the rod. Tension is, in a sense, the equivalent of normal reaction but in the opposite direction - if instead of compressing, you try to pull on both ends of the rod, you have to overcome another force trying preserve the structure of your rod (by preventing it from being ripped apart). This force is what one normally calls 'tension'.
I have stressed the similarity between the normal reaction and the tension forces because they have the same origin- they arise from intermolecular interactions that describe the structure of your object. For all practical purposes, you can call normal reaction a 'compressive tension'. The point of this discussion is that, objects try to maintain their structural integrity, and it's a matter of semantics to call this 'restoring' force a normal reaction or a tension or whatever. The molecular origin of these forces are identical.
That said, sometimes it is useful to keep this distinction for intuitive clarity. An object that is hard to compress, for example a string along its length, will provide almost no normal reaction (it is very easy to squish a string), but stretching it certainly induces a tension that one must overcome before it breaks (i.e. loses it's integrity).
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You can think of tension as a force that helps maintain structural integrity under a tensile 'stretching' force (being quite vague here, but hold on).
Imagine a solid cylindrical rod. You can compress its ends, and there is a normal reaction you have to overcome. This normal reaction is trying to preserve the structural integrity of the rod. Tension is, in a sense, the equivalent of normal reaction but in the opposite direction - if instead of compressing, you try to pull on both ends of the rod, you have to overcome another force trying preserve the structure of your rod (by preventing it from being ripped apart). This force is what one normally calls 'tension'.
I have stressed the similarity between the normal reaction and the tension forces because they have the same origin- they arise from intermolecular interactions that describe the structure of your object. For all practical purposes, you can call normal reaction a 'compressive tension'. The point of this discussion is that, objects try to maintain their structural integrity, and it's a matter of semantics to call this 'restoring' force a normal reaction or a tension or whatever. The molecular origin of these forces are identical.
That said, sometimes it is useful to keep this distinction for intuitive clarity. An object that is hard to compress, for example a string along its length, will provide almost no normal reaction (it is very easy to squish a string), but stretching it certainly induces a tension that one must overcome before it breaks (i.e. loses it's integrity).
$endgroup$
You can think of tension as a force that helps maintain structural integrity under a tensile 'stretching' force (being quite vague here, but hold on).
Imagine a solid cylindrical rod. You can compress its ends, and there is a normal reaction you have to overcome. This normal reaction is trying to preserve the structural integrity of the rod. Tension is, in a sense, the equivalent of normal reaction but in the opposite direction - if instead of compressing, you try to pull on both ends of the rod, you have to overcome another force trying preserve the structure of your rod (by preventing it from being ripped apart). This force is what one normally calls 'tension'.
I have stressed the similarity between the normal reaction and the tension forces because they have the same origin- they arise from intermolecular interactions that describe the structure of your object. For all practical purposes, you can call normal reaction a 'compressive tension'. The point of this discussion is that, objects try to maintain their structural integrity, and it's a matter of semantics to call this 'restoring' force a normal reaction or a tension or whatever. The molecular origin of these forces are identical.
That said, sometimes it is useful to keep this distinction for intuitive clarity. An object that is hard to compress, for example a string along its length, will provide almost no normal reaction (it is very easy to squish a string), but stretching it certainly induces a tension that one must overcome before it breaks (i.e. loses it's integrity).
edited Jul 14 at 14:26
Paracosmiste
1,3932 gold badges14 silver badges23 bronze badges
1,3932 gold badges14 silver badges23 bronze badges
answered Jul 14 at 10:43
GRrocksGRrocks
8223 gold badges10 silver badges24 bronze badges
8223 gold badges10 silver badges24 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
"Tension" is a simple special case of the state of stress in any solid object.
But you usually start learning about mechanics using simple situations where common-sense ideas like "tension" are all you need, rather than starting by learning about stress and strain tensors and constitutive equations in continuum mechanics!
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
"Tension" is a simple special case of the state of stress in any solid object.
But you usually start learning about mechanics using simple situations where common-sense ideas like "tension" are all you need, rather than starting by learning about stress and strain tensors and constitutive equations in continuum mechanics!
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
"Tension" is a simple special case of the state of stress in any solid object.
But you usually start learning about mechanics using simple situations where common-sense ideas like "tension" are all you need, rather than starting by learning about stress and strain tensors and constitutive equations in continuum mechanics!
$endgroup$
"Tension" is a simple special case of the state of stress in any solid object.
But you usually start learning about mechanics using simple situations where common-sense ideas like "tension" are all you need, rather than starting by learning about stress and strain tensors and constitutive equations in continuum mechanics!
answered Jul 14 at 21:47
alephzeroalephzero
6,3762 gold badges13 silver badges23 bronze badges
6,3762 gold badges13 silver badges23 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If you are thinking something really fundamental, there's only four acknowledged fundamental force, and the "tension"(of something like a string) was usual treated as a result of electromagnetic interaction(electromagnetic force) from the atoms or particles.
However, tension in sub particle level can also resulted from strong force, like protons inside a nuclei.
Depends, tension is just a more formal wording of the usual "stretch", it's basically a word commonly used by physicists to mention in a way that physicists can easily understand.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If you are thinking something really fundamental, there's only four acknowledged fundamental force, and the "tension"(of something like a string) was usual treated as a result of electromagnetic interaction(electromagnetic force) from the atoms or particles.
However, tension in sub particle level can also resulted from strong force, like protons inside a nuclei.
Depends, tension is just a more formal wording of the usual "stretch", it's basically a word commonly used by physicists to mention in a way that physicists can easily understand.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
If you are thinking something really fundamental, there's only four acknowledged fundamental force, and the "tension"(of something like a string) was usual treated as a result of electromagnetic interaction(electromagnetic force) from the atoms or particles.
However, tension in sub particle level can also resulted from strong force, like protons inside a nuclei.
Depends, tension is just a more formal wording of the usual "stretch", it's basically a word commonly used by physicists to mention in a way that physicists can easily understand.
$endgroup$
If you are thinking something really fundamental, there's only four acknowledged fundamental force, and the "tension"(of something like a string) was usual treated as a result of electromagnetic interaction(electromagnetic force) from the atoms or particles.
However, tension in sub particle level can also resulted from strong force, like protons inside a nuclei.
Depends, tension is just a more formal wording of the usual "stretch", it's basically a word commonly used by physicists to mention in a way that physicists can easily understand.
answered Jul 14 at 10:53
user9976437user9976437
49114 bronze badges
49114 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Pick up a brick. Try pulling it apart. What stops you from pulling it apart? It's the tension in the brick. Where does the tension in the brick come from? It comes from the inter-molecular forces inside the brick.
The same goes for strings. Here's a second example. If you look closely at a thick rope, it's made of many small strings wrapped around each other. Why is this? So that the friction in between the strings increases the available tension in the entire rope. In other words, the inter-molecular forces (in this case, friction) increase within the rope, making the rope "want" to stay together more; the more a rope wants to stay together, the more force it can handle when you try to pull it apart.
It's just like how normal force is the force from electron shells repelling each other (due to the Pauli Exclusion Principle), tension comes from a micro-scale force as well.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Pick up a brick. Try pulling it apart. What stops you from pulling it apart? It's the tension in the brick. Where does the tension in the brick come from? It comes from the inter-molecular forces inside the brick.
The same goes for strings. Here's a second example. If you look closely at a thick rope, it's made of many small strings wrapped around each other. Why is this? So that the friction in between the strings increases the available tension in the entire rope. In other words, the inter-molecular forces (in this case, friction) increase within the rope, making the rope "want" to stay together more; the more a rope wants to stay together, the more force it can handle when you try to pull it apart.
It's just like how normal force is the force from electron shells repelling each other (due to the Pauli Exclusion Principle), tension comes from a micro-scale force as well.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Pick up a brick. Try pulling it apart. What stops you from pulling it apart? It's the tension in the brick. Where does the tension in the brick come from? It comes from the inter-molecular forces inside the brick.
The same goes for strings. Here's a second example. If you look closely at a thick rope, it's made of many small strings wrapped around each other. Why is this? So that the friction in between the strings increases the available tension in the entire rope. In other words, the inter-molecular forces (in this case, friction) increase within the rope, making the rope "want" to stay together more; the more a rope wants to stay together, the more force it can handle when you try to pull it apart.
It's just like how normal force is the force from electron shells repelling each other (due to the Pauli Exclusion Principle), tension comes from a micro-scale force as well.
$endgroup$
Pick up a brick. Try pulling it apart. What stops you from pulling it apart? It's the tension in the brick. Where does the tension in the brick come from? It comes from the inter-molecular forces inside the brick.
The same goes for strings. Here's a second example. If you look closely at a thick rope, it's made of many small strings wrapped around each other. Why is this? So that the friction in between the strings increases the available tension in the entire rope. In other words, the inter-molecular forces (in this case, friction) increase within the rope, making the rope "want" to stay together more; the more a rope wants to stay together, the more force it can handle when you try to pull it apart.
It's just like how normal force is the force from electron shells repelling each other (due to the Pauli Exclusion Principle), tension comes from a micro-scale force as well.
answered Jul 15 at 1:03
noɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆnoɥʇʎԀʎzɐɹƆ
1014 bronze badges
1014 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
Thanks for contributing an answer to Physics Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fphysics.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f491524%2fdo-objects-besides-strings-ropes-and-rods-have-tension%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
$begingroup$
The structure of a roof can have parts in tension which are not string, ropes or rods...
$endgroup$
– Solar Mike
Jul 14 at 4:55