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When elected, Trump made a big point that his opponent should be investigated and "locked up" over the email controversy. Almost immediately after winning the election, he made tacitly clear he was dropping that as a serious proposal, and to the best of my knowledge he did in fact drop it.



For example I remember him saying something to the effect that it was old news and he wouldn't pursue it, very soon after. I don't recall the DoJ formally being directed/asked to begin an actual investigation or inquiry , although the claim was constantly reused to attack and score points politically and energise his voter base. If the DoJ was at any stage asked to look into it, it's pretty clear by now that they have no interest in taking it further either. Nor do I recall him objecting, or railing against DoJ betrayals, trying to fire anyone in DoJ, or significant action being instigated to force them to investigate/prosecute, for example (as he did with other blocked pledges/issues that mattered to him, such as "Muslim country visitors", Muller inquiry, and the border wall). It really seems as if it's just a rallying cry, of no real interest to him now he has beaten her long ago, but useful to energise and counterattack.



But what about Trump's supporters? They can see these things too. They must have anticipated her arrest and likely trial after such a build-up. They can see she is unarrested. They can see he hasn't made, and never did make, any real effort to get her arrested. They can see he stopped really showing he cared about whether she was arrested long ago (if he ever cared other than as a means to win the election) and that he has no interest whatsoever in having her arrested now or in future. They can see that she is, in effect, already broken as a political contender, and is being left alone in peace, as an individual.



I can think of many things that, if I were a Trump supporter, I might chant. But a broken prominent campaign matter that he's made clear he bailed on directly after winning, and hasn't taken interest in pursuing in the years since? Why does that have any power, in 2019? I would feel that was a memory of betrayal rather that a positive attribute, and prefer to let it slide from memory, maybe chant something related to an area where he did visibly fight for what I'd voted and care about.



So why are his supporters adopting that as a "lead" chant at rallies, and not chanting something else - anything else - to avoid focus on such a visibly broken promise from his past election that is fairly clearly, gone nowhere, going nowhere now, apparently was never seriously intended to go anywhere once it got him elected, and virtually certainly is going nowhere in future even if re-elected?










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When elected, Trump made a big point that his opponent should be investigated and "locked up" over the email controversy. Almost immediately after winning the election, he made tacitly clear he was dropping that as a serious proposal, and to the best of my knowledge he did in fact drop it.



For example I remember him saying something to the effect that it was old news and he wouldn't pursue it, very soon after. I don't recall the DoJ formally being directed/asked to begin an actual investigation or inquiry , although the claim was constantly reused to attack and score points politically and energise his voter base. If the DoJ was at any stage asked to look into it, it's pretty clear by now that they have no interest in taking it further either. Nor do I recall him objecting, or railing against DoJ betrayals, trying to fire anyone in DoJ, or significant action being instigated to force them to investigate/prosecute, for example (as he did with other blocked pledges/issues that mattered to him, such as "Muslim country visitors", Muller inquiry, and the border wall). It really seems as if it's just a rallying cry, of no real interest to him now he has beaten her long ago, but useful to energise and counterattack.



But what about Trump's supporters? They can see these things too. They must have anticipated her arrest and likely trial after such a build-up. They can see she is unarrested. They can see he hasn't made, and never did make, any real effort to get her arrested. They can see he stopped really showing he cared about whether she was arrested long ago (if he ever cared other than as a means to win the election) and that he has no interest whatsoever in having her arrested now or in future. They can see that she is, in effect, already broken as a political contender, and is being left alone in peace, as an individual.



I can think of many things that, if I were a Trump supporter, I might chant. But a broken prominent campaign matter that he's made clear he bailed on directly after winning, and hasn't taken interest in pursuing in the years since? Why does that have any power, in 2019? I would feel that was a memory of betrayal rather that a positive attribute, and prefer to let it slide from memory, maybe chant something related to an area where he did visibly fight for what I'd voted and care about.



So why are his supporters adopting that as a "lead" chant at rallies, and not chanting something else - anything else - to avoid focus on such a visibly broken promise from his past election that is fairly clearly, gone nowhere, going nowhere now, apparently was never seriously intended to go anywhere once it got him elected, and virtually certainly is going nowhere in future even if re-elected?










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When elected, Trump made a big point that his opponent should be investigated and "locked up" over the email controversy. Almost immediately after winning the election, he made tacitly clear he was dropping that as a serious proposal, and to the best of my knowledge he did in fact drop it.



For example I remember him saying something to the effect that it was old news and he wouldn't pursue it, very soon after. I don't recall the DoJ formally being directed/asked to begin an actual investigation or inquiry , although the claim was constantly reused to attack and score points politically and energise his voter base. If the DoJ was at any stage asked to look into it, it's pretty clear by now that they have no interest in taking it further either. Nor do I recall him objecting, or railing against DoJ betrayals, trying to fire anyone in DoJ, or significant action being instigated to force them to investigate/prosecute, for example (as he did with other blocked pledges/issues that mattered to him, such as "Muslim country visitors", Muller inquiry, and the border wall). It really seems as if it's just a rallying cry, of no real interest to him now he has beaten her long ago, but useful to energise and counterattack.



But what about Trump's supporters? They can see these things too. They must have anticipated her arrest and likely trial after such a build-up. They can see she is unarrested. They can see he hasn't made, and never did make, any real effort to get her arrested. They can see he stopped really showing he cared about whether she was arrested long ago (if he ever cared other than as a means to win the election) and that he has no interest whatsoever in having her arrested now or in future. They can see that she is, in effect, already broken as a political contender, and is being left alone in peace, as an individual.



I can think of many things that, if I were a Trump supporter, I might chant. But a broken prominent campaign matter that he's made clear he bailed on directly after winning, and hasn't taken interest in pursuing in the years since? Why does that have any power, in 2019? I would feel that was a memory of betrayal rather that a positive attribute, and prefer to let it slide from memory, maybe chant something related to an area where he did visibly fight for what I'd voted and care about.



So why are his supporters adopting that as a "lead" chant at rallies, and not chanting something else - anything else - to avoid focus on such a visibly broken promise from his past election that is fairly clearly, gone nowhere, going nowhere now, apparently was never seriously intended to go anywhere once it got him elected, and virtually certainly is going nowhere in future even if re-elected?










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When elected, Trump made a big point that his opponent should be investigated and "locked up" over the email controversy. Almost immediately after winning the election, he made tacitly clear he was dropping that as a serious proposal, and to the best of my knowledge he did in fact drop it.



For example I remember him saying something to the effect that it was old news and he wouldn't pursue it, very soon after. I don't recall the DoJ formally being directed/asked to begin an actual investigation or inquiry , although the claim was constantly reused to attack and score points politically and energise his voter base. If the DoJ was at any stage asked to look into it, it's pretty clear by now that they have no interest in taking it further either. Nor do I recall him objecting, or railing against DoJ betrayals, trying to fire anyone in DoJ, or significant action being instigated to force them to investigate/prosecute, for example (as he did with other blocked pledges/issues that mattered to him, such as "Muslim country visitors", Muller inquiry, and the border wall). It really seems as if it's just a rallying cry, of no real interest to him now he has beaten her long ago, but useful to energise and counterattack.



But what about Trump's supporters? They can see these things too. They must have anticipated her arrest and likely trial after such a build-up. They can see she is unarrested. They can see he hasn't made, and never did make, any real effort to get her arrested. They can see he stopped really showing he cared about whether she was arrested long ago (if he ever cared other than as a means to win the election) and that he has no interest whatsoever in having her arrested now or in future. They can see that she is, in effect, already broken as a political contender, and is being left alone in peace, as an individual.



I can think of many things that, if I were a Trump supporter, I might chant. But a broken prominent campaign matter that he's made clear he bailed on directly after winning, and hasn't taken interest in pursuing in the years since? Why does that have any power, in 2019? I would feel that was a memory of betrayal rather that a positive attribute, and prefer to let it slide from memory, maybe chant something related to an area where he did visibly fight for what I'd voted and care about.



So why are his supporters adopting that as a "lead" chant at rallies, and not chanting something else - anything else - to avoid focus on such a visibly broken promise from his past election that is fairly clearly, gone nowhere, going nowhere now, apparently was never seriously intended to go anywhere once it got him elected, and virtually certainly is going nowhere in future even if re-elected?







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People loved chanting "lock her up". So why should they stop? In some sense, that's why no effort has been made - actually locking up Clinton, or trying to, would detract from the purity of hating her and everything she represents.




But what about Trump's supporters? They can see these things too




I put it to you that they can't, don't or won't. They're watching a different set of news channels, pundits, and talk radio to you. They're not interested in having their prejudices unconfirmed.



That's how the culture war operates. It's entirely symbolic. People who have bought into it fundamentally aren't interested in the underlying messy reality. After all, Clinton hasn't done anything personally to them. She hasn't even been responsible for any particular policy the hatred rallies around. What they hate is what Clinton represents.



That's why they don't care about "outcomes". Offending liberals is the desired outcome.






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    Without any reliable sources that this is indeed the motivation of Trump's supporters, this really just seems like speculation at best and an attempt to make them look bad at worst.

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    Are we deleting answers for just having no sources now? I might have missed that memo.

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    Not really sure what would constitute a source, but here's a news organization making the same argument. nbcnews.com/think/opinion/…

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    I started a discussion about this specific answer on meta.

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    The Atlantic cites that study stating: "a significant minority of Americans do not live this way. They seldom or never meet people of another race. They dislike interacting with people who don’t share their political beliefs. And when they imagine the life they want for their children, they prize sameness, not difference." Feel free to edit that into your answer, I think it will improve it as it adds a factual basis (namely, surveying Trump supporters).

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When elected, Trump made a big point that his opponent should be investigated and "locked up" over the email controversy. Almost immediately after winning the election, he made tacitly clear he was dropping that as a serious proposal, and to the best of my knowledge he did in fact drop it.




Your entire premise is wrong. Trump has and continues to see this as a serious proposal:



In November of 2018, the NY Times reported that Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton.




President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation



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Mr. Trump repeatedly pressed Justice Department officials about the status of Clinton-related investigations, including Mr. Whitaker when he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations




This was soon corroborated by CNN: Trump raised prosecuting Clinton with top White House, Justice officials:




President Donald Trump on multiple occasions raised with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Matt Whitaker, who was then-chief of staff to Jeff Sessions, whether the Justice Department was progressing in investigating Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the matter.



The President also wanted his previous White House counsel, Don McGahn, to ask the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton on numerous occasions, but McGahn rebuffed doing that, the source said.




The Mueller report, released in April 2019, appears to confirm this reporting (page 321 of this huge PDF, or Part 2 Page 109):




Later in 2017, the President continued to urge Sessions to reverse his recusal from campaign-related investigations and considered replacing Sessions with an Attorney General who would not be recused.



On October 16, 2017, the President met privately with Sessions and said that the Department of Justice was not investigating individuals and events that the President thought the Department should be investigating. According to contemporaneous notes taken by Porter, who was at the meeting, the President mentioned Clinton's emails and said, "Don't have to tell us, just take [a] look." Sessions did not offer any assurances or promises to the President that the Department of Justice would comply with that request. Two days later, on October 18, 2017, the President tweeted, "Wow, FBI confirms report that James Comey drafted letter exonerating Crooked Hillary Clinton long before investigation was complete. Many people not interviewed, including Clinton herself. Comey stated under oath that he didn't do this-obviously a fix? Where is Justice Dept?" On October 29, 2017, the President tweeted that there was "ANGER & UNITY" over a "lack of investigation" of Clinton and "the Comey fix," and concluded: "DO SOMETHING!"




The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise.



Now in early 2018, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions declined to appoint a special counsel, but did assign a US prosecutor to investigate several Clinton-related matters:




“I have already directed senior federal prosecutors to evaluate certain issues previously raised by the Committee,” Sessions noted, referring to a November letter to Congress that provided vague suggestions that he would consider congressional GOP complaints about the Clinton investigation.




If you read the original letter sent by the committee, you can see they're talking largely about Clinton's emails, the Clinton Foundation, and Clinton's (supposed) involvement in the sale of Uranium One.



We have not yet seen any results of this investigation.



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    "The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise." The alternative perspective, held by many on the right, is that these individuals are corrupt and biased in favor of Democrats. See Sidney Powell's discussions of her encounters with some of them, for example. (On a question about Trump supporter's opinions, this perspective would seem to be wholly relevant.)

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    @jpmc26 I concede that's what many on the right believe; I just think those claims quickly fall apart when fairly investigated. I also think Trump has been largely restrained by a DOJ staffed with people who actually take their oath of office seriously and therefore have been willing to push back on clearly illegal or inappropriate requests. But with Trump's appointments of Barr and others who pass Trump's "loyalty test", that may be changing, for the detriment of us all.

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    @jpmc26 Not looked into this before, but that article seems false on its face. The FBI interview of Flynn was post-inauguration, late Jan 2017, not Jan 2016. So the doc we have (see here, or a recently released less-redacted version here), which was typed up in Feb 2017, appears to be the original 302, not some "later summary", as suggested.

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    @jpmc26 Yep, looks like the editorial was written just before the 302 was released. Is that evidence that Mueller was slow to produce it? Perhaps. Is it evidence of Mueller destroying evidence and obstructing justice? No. And don't forget, Mueller (and Comey and McCabe, and Rosenstein, etc...) are all lifelong Republicans, so Trump's claims about only being opposed by "angry Democrats" is (like many of his other rants) entirely baseless.

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    The destroying evidence bit refers to text messages later in the article. The question of the 302 having possibly been destroyed was raised, but not asserted. Only the failure to produce them was asserted. I have no interest in defending everything Trump says, either, but I am concerned about corruption in our intelligence and law agencies.

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A large part of the problem here is that you are viewing the chanters as Donald Trump supporters. Perhaps that's not how they view themselves. Perhaps they view themselves as protesters who are bringing attention to the ongoing failure of the government to enforce proper treatment of classified information.



There is an argument that Hillary Clinton should be arrested and charged. She was given classified information that she then treated recklessly and carelessly. The decision not to charge her was made by someone who himself leaked classified material.



Another observation that the chants may be less about supporting Trump and more about Clinton:




But what struck me as odd, in retrospect, was that this man was still obsessing over his hatred of Clinton, nearly two years after she lost the election. He had nothing positive to say about the man he’d voted for, only wrath for the woman who ran against him.




Really though, if you want the answer to this, we're the wrong place to ask. Go to a Trump rally, find a chanter, and ask that person. Repeat until you get a nice selection of answers with many repeats. The only thing we could really do would be to link you to someone else who did that. But it seems like the media is more interested in speculating than in doing actual research, as I can't find anything like that.






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  • So, from a purely procedural point of view, why did the FBI investigation not lead to a prosecution? It also seems odd, and unsourced, to describe Comey as a "(Democrat) partisan" when (per Wikipedia) he was a registered Republican for most of his life?

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    @pjc50 Comey pushed for prosecution and was shut down by higher ups in the DOJ. This explains his half-hearted explanation of the investigation's findings, which amounted to, "she clearly broke the law, but we're not prosecuting because reasons." It would also explain why Clinton subsequently threw him under the bus in the media.

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It's a bit of a sunk cost fallacy, or escalation of commitment.




Escalation of commitment is a human behavior pattern in which an individual or group facing increasingly negative outcomes from a decision, action, or investment nevertheless continues the behavior instead of altering course. The actor maintains behaviors that are irrational, but align with previous decisions and actions.




A non-trivial number of people bought into the idea of trial-by-political-rally that Republicans started in July 2016. In the time since, a Republican controlled House and Senate, and later Justice Department, were unable to find anything with which they could get charges filed against her (and certainly not for lack of trying).



Instead, a number of prominent people under Trump have been found guilty of federal crimes, and if not for the Justice Department's policy against indicting a sitting president, Donald Trump would likely have been indicted by now as hundreds of former federal prosecutes have come out to claim.



So what's a person in this situation to do? Unfortunately, many humans are remarkably resistant to admitting they have been duped. By some estimates, less than 5% of financial scams are ever reported because people are too ashamed to admit they were tricked, and that's when money has been taken from them. While some might snap out of it, many people will instead double-down on it, even as it continues to look more absurd, because they are already in too deep for their pride.






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    Looking at Politico Article from March, a month or so after the appointment of Barr as Attorney General, it seems likely that the re-emergence of "Lock Her Up" is linked to the same drain the swamp narrative used by the Trump campaign in 2016. I expect if he's ever asked about it directly he'll lay blame on Democrats for blocking investigations into Hillary Clinton.



    The opening paragraph;




    President Donald Trump said in an interview that aired Friday he hopes Attorney General William Barr will “do what’s fair” with regards to opening investigations to perceived crimes by his 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton, former FBI Director James Comey, former intelligence chief James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan.




    This plays into Trumps repeated comments about the Russia investigation as a Witch Hunt and the "Crooked Dems" positioning. By suggesting he's asking for "fairness" it paints anyone who disagrees with him as "unfair". Given the Democrat control of the house of Representatives and the subsequent difficulty of a Republican President to promote their own agenda it seems likely this will build toward the same plan as 2016.






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      A timely explanation may be the recent developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case which has been receiving renewed media attention since early 2019. Attentive voters of all political persuasions were outraged by the media blackout about Epstein in the leadup to the 2016 election, which seemed collusive since both Trump and Clinton had close connections to him. A new investigation into the handling of the Epstein case has been anticipated since late 2018, when members of Congress from both major parties began calling for it.



      The unsourced rumor circulating on the right is that the Epstein case was memory holed to protect Hillary's candidacy, not Trump's, and that Trump is prepared to testify against the Clintons in a new sex crimes investigation. More concretely, Epstein is connected to the original "lock her up" chant in that he was, according to his own lawyers, involved in establishing the Clinton Global Initiative, which is part of the Clinton Foundation, which was at the center of allegations about Hillary selling Uranium to the Russians.






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        That doesn't make sense: the new charges against Epstein happened days ago, while the chant has been a fixture of Trump's rallies for years.

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        @divibisan They've been anticipated for several months; the linked Miami Herald article is from February 2019. IIRC it was late 2018 when members of Congress began calling for an investigation into the conduct of the original investigation.

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        But then, why wouldn't they be chanting "Lock him up", if they were actually talking about allegations about Bill Clinton?

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        I don’t find this answer persuasive or correct but I don’t think it is so low quality to merit deletion. It could be improved by mentioning other aspects of Epstein/Clinton involvement that are relevant to Hillary Clinton’s alleged criminality. Like, how he was involved in starting the Clinton Global Initiative.

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      People loved chanting "lock her up". So why should they stop? In some sense, that's why no effort has been made - actually locking up Clinton, or trying to, would detract from the purity of hating her and everything she represents.




      But what about Trump's supporters? They can see these things too




      I put it to you that they can't, don't or won't. They're watching a different set of news channels, pundits, and talk radio to you. They're not interested in having their prejudices unconfirmed.



      That's how the culture war operates. It's entirely symbolic. People who have bought into it fundamentally aren't interested in the underlying messy reality. After all, Clinton hasn't done anything personally to them. She hasn't even been responsible for any particular policy the hatred rallies around. What they hate is what Clinton represents.



      That's why they don't care about "outcomes". Offending liberals is the desired outcome.






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        Without any reliable sources that this is indeed the motivation of Trump's supporters, this really just seems like speculation at best and an attempt to make them look bad at worst.

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        Not really sure what would constitute a source, but here's a news organization making the same argument. nbcnews.com/think/opinion/…

        – pjc50
        Jul 9 at 5:59






      • 4





        I started a discussion about this specific answer on meta.

        – Philipp
        Jul 9 at 8:25







      • 4





        The Atlantic cites that study stating: "a significant minority of Americans do not live this way. They seldom or never meet people of another race. They dislike interacting with people who don’t share their political beliefs. And when they imagine the life they want for their children, they prize sameness, not difference." Feel free to edit that into your answer, I think it will improve it as it adds a factual basis (namely, surveying Trump supporters).

        – JJJ
        Jul 10 at 2:29















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      Two Minutes Hate



      People loved chanting "lock her up". So why should they stop? In some sense, that's why no effort has been made - actually locking up Clinton, or trying to, would detract from the purity of hating her and everything she represents.




      But what about Trump's supporters? They can see these things too




      I put it to you that they can't, don't or won't. They're watching a different set of news channels, pundits, and talk radio to you. They're not interested in having their prejudices unconfirmed.



      That's how the culture war operates. It's entirely symbolic. People who have bought into it fundamentally aren't interested in the underlying messy reality. After all, Clinton hasn't done anything personally to them. She hasn't even been responsible for any particular policy the hatred rallies around. What they hate is what Clinton represents.



      That's why they don't care about "outcomes". Offending liberals is the desired outcome.






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        Without any reliable sources that this is indeed the motivation of Trump's supporters, this really just seems like speculation at best and an attempt to make them look bad at worst.

        – Philipp
        Jul 8 at 19:46







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        Are we deleting answers for just having no sources now? I might have missed that memo.

        – Sam I am
        Jul 9 at 2:23






      • 3





        Not really sure what would constitute a source, but here's a news organization making the same argument. nbcnews.com/think/opinion/…

        – pjc50
        Jul 9 at 5:59






      • 4





        I started a discussion about this specific answer on meta.

        – Philipp
        Jul 9 at 8:25







      • 4





        The Atlantic cites that study stating: "a significant minority of Americans do not live this way. They seldom or never meet people of another race. They dislike interacting with people who don’t share their political beliefs. And when they imagine the life they want for their children, they prize sameness, not difference." Feel free to edit that into your answer, I think it will improve it as it adds a factual basis (namely, surveying Trump supporters).

        – JJJ
        Jul 10 at 2:29













      58












      58








      58







      Two Minutes Hate



      People loved chanting "lock her up". So why should they stop? In some sense, that's why no effort has been made - actually locking up Clinton, or trying to, would detract from the purity of hating her and everything she represents.




      But what about Trump's supporters? They can see these things too




      I put it to you that they can't, don't or won't. They're watching a different set of news channels, pundits, and talk radio to you. They're not interested in having their prejudices unconfirmed.



      That's how the culture war operates. It's entirely symbolic. People who have bought into it fundamentally aren't interested in the underlying messy reality. After all, Clinton hasn't done anything personally to them. She hasn't even been responsible for any particular policy the hatred rallies around. What they hate is what Clinton represents.



      That's why they don't care about "outcomes". Offending liberals is the desired outcome.






      share|improve this answer













      Two Minutes Hate



      People loved chanting "lock her up". So why should they stop? In some sense, that's why no effort has been made - actually locking up Clinton, or trying to, would detract from the purity of hating her and everything she represents.




      But what about Trump's supporters? They can see these things too




      I put it to you that they can't, don't or won't. They're watching a different set of news channels, pundits, and talk radio to you. They're not interested in having their prejudices unconfirmed.



      That's how the culture war operates. It's entirely symbolic. People who have bought into it fundamentally aren't interested in the underlying messy reality. After all, Clinton hasn't done anything personally to them. She hasn't even been responsible for any particular policy the hatred rallies around. What they hate is what Clinton represents.



      That's why they don't care about "outcomes". Offending liberals is the desired outcome.







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      • 16





        Without any reliable sources that this is indeed the motivation of Trump's supporters, this really just seems like speculation at best and an attempt to make them look bad at worst.

        – Philipp
        Jul 8 at 19:46







      • 17





        Are we deleting answers for just having no sources now? I might have missed that memo.

        – Sam I am
        Jul 9 at 2:23






      • 3





        Not really sure what would constitute a source, but here's a news organization making the same argument. nbcnews.com/think/opinion/…

        – pjc50
        Jul 9 at 5:59






      • 4





        I started a discussion about this specific answer on meta.

        – Philipp
        Jul 9 at 8:25







      • 4





        The Atlantic cites that study stating: "a significant minority of Americans do not live this way. They seldom or never meet people of another race. They dislike interacting with people who don’t share their political beliefs. And when they imagine the life they want for their children, they prize sameness, not difference." Feel free to edit that into your answer, I think it will improve it as it adds a factual basis (namely, surveying Trump supporters).

        – JJJ
        Jul 10 at 2:29












      • 16





        Without any reliable sources that this is indeed the motivation of Trump's supporters, this really just seems like speculation at best and an attempt to make them look bad at worst.

        – Philipp
        Jul 8 at 19:46







      • 17





        Are we deleting answers for just having no sources now? I might have missed that memo.

        – Sam I am
        Jul 9 at 2:23






      • 3





        Not really sure what would constitute a source, but here's a news organization making the same argument. nbcnews.com/think/opinion/…

        – pjc50
        Jul 9 at 5:59






      • 4





        I started a discussion about this specific answer on meta.

        – Philipp
        Jul 9 at 8:25







      • 4





        The Atlantic cites that study stating: "a significant minority of Americans do not live this way. They seldom or never meet people of another race. They dislike interacting with people who don’t share their political beliefs. And when they imagine the life they want for their children, they prize sameness, not difference." Feel free to edit that into your answer, I think it will improve it as it adds a factual basis (namely, surveying Trump supporters).

        – JJJ
        Jul 10 at 2:29







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      16





      Without any reliable sources that this is indeed the motivation of Trump's supporters, this really just seems like speculation at best and an attempt to make them look bad at worst.

      – Philipp
      Jul 8 at 19:46






      Without any reliable sources that this is indeed the motivation of Trump's supporters, this really just seems like speculation at best and an attempt to make them look bad at worst.

      – Philipp
      Jul 8 at 19:46





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      17





      Are we deleting answers for just having no sources now? I might have missed that memo.

      – Sam I am
      Jul 9 at 2:23





      Are we deleting answers for just having no sources now? I might have missed that memo.

      – Sam I am
      Jul 9 at 2:23




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      3





      Not really sure what would constitute a source, but here's a news organization making the same argument. nbcnews.com/think/opinion/…

      – pjc50
      Jul 9 at 5:59





      Not really sure what would constitute a source, but here's a news organization making the same argument. nbcnews.com/think/opinion/…

      – pjc50
      Jul 9 at 5:59




      4




      4





      I started a discussion about this specific answer on meta.

      – Philipp
      Jul 9 at 8:25






      I started a discussion about this specific answer on meta.

      – Philipp
      Jul 9 at 8:25





      4




      4





      The Atlantic cites that study stating: "a significant minority of Americans do not live this way. They seldom or never meet people of another race. They dislike interacting with people who don’t share their political beliefs. And when they imagine the life they want for their children, they prize sameness, not difference." Feel free to edit that into your answer, I think it will improve it as it adds a factual basis (namely, surveying Trump supporters).

      – JJJ
      Jul 10 at 2:29





      The Atlantic cites that study stating: "a significant minority of Americans do not live this way. They seldom or never meet people of another race. They dislike interacting with people who don’t share their political beliefs. And when they imagine the life they want for their children, they prize sameness, not difference." Feel free to edit that into your answer, I think it will improve it as it adds a factual basis (namely, surveying Trump supporters).

      – JJJ
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      When elected, Trump made a big point that his opponent should be investigated and "locked up" over the email controversy. Almost immediately after winning the election, he made tacitly clear he was dropping that as a serious proposal, and to the best of my knowledge he did in fact drop it.




      Your entire premise is wrong. Trump has and continues to see this as a serious proposal:



      In November of 2018, the NY Times reported that Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton.




      President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation



      ...



      Mr. Trump repeatedly pressed Justice Department officials about the status of Clinton-related investigations, including Mr. Whitaker when he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations




      This was soon corroborated by CNN: Trump raised prosecuting Clinton with top White House, Justice officials:




      President Donald Trump on multiple occasions raised with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Matt Whitaker, who was then-chief of staff to Jeff Sessions, whether the Justice Department was progressing in investigating Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the matter.



      The President also wanted his previous White House counsel, Don McGahn, to ask the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton on numerous occasions, but McGahn rebuffed doing that, the source said.




      The Mueller report, released in April 2019, appears to confirm this reporting (page 321 of this huge PDF, or Part 2 Page 109):




      Later in 2017, the President continued to urge Sessions to reverse his recusal from campaign-related investigations and considered replacing Sessions with an Attorney General who would not be recused.



      On October 16, 2017, the President met privately with Sessions and said that the Department of Justice was not investigating individuals and events that the President thought the Department should be investigating. According to contemporaneous notes taken by Porter, who was at the meeting, the President mentioned Clinton's emails and said, "Don't have to tell us, just take [a] look." Sessions did not offer any assurances or promises to the President that the Department of Justice would comply with that request. Two days later, on October 18, 2017, the President tweeted, "Wow, FBI confirms report that James Comey drafted letter exonerating Crooked Hillary Clinton long before investigation was complete. Many people not interviewed, including Clinton herself. Comey stated under oath that he didn't do this-obviously a fix? Where is Justice Dept?" On October 29, 2017, the President tweeted that there was "ANGER & UNITY" over a "lack of investigation" of Clinton and "the Comey fix," and concluded: "DO SOMETHING!"




      The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise.



      Now in early 2018, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions declined to appoint a special counsel, but did assign a US prosecutor to investigate several Clinton-related matters:




      “I have already directed senior federal prosecutors to evaluate certain issues previously raised by the Committee,” Sessions noted, referring to a November letter to Congress that provided vague suggestions that he would consider congressional GOP complaints about the Clinton investigation.




      If you read the original letter sent by the committee, you can see they're talking largely about Clinton's emails, the Clinton Foundation, and Clinton's (supposed) involvement in the sale of Uranium One.



      We have not yet seen any results of this investigation.



      Additional related articles:



      • Trump Is Going on the Offensive to Take Down His Political Enemies





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      • 5





        "The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise." The alternative perspective, held by many on the right, is that these individuals are corrupt and biased in favor of Democrats. See Sidney Powell's discussions of her encounters with some of them, for example. (On a question about Trump supporter's opinions, this perspective would seem to be wholly relevant.)

        – jpmc26
        Jul 9 at 10:20







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        @jpmc26 I concede that's what many on the right believe; I just think those claims quickly fall apart when fairly investigated. I also think Trump has been largely restrained by a DOJ staffed with people who actually take their oath of office seriously and therefore have been willing to push back on clearly illegal or inappropriate requests. But with Trump's appointments of Barr and others who pass Trump's "loyalty test", that may be changing, for the detriment of us all.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 14:49






      • 3





        @jpmc26 Not looked into this before, but that article seems false on its face. The FBI interview of Flynn was post-inauguration, late Jan 2017, not Jan 2016. So the doc we have (see here, or a recently released less-redacted version here), which was typed up in Feb 2017, appears to be the original 302, not some "later summary", as suggested.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 16:01







      • 3





        @jpmc26 Yep, looks like the editorial was written just before the 302 was released. Is that evidence that Mueller was slow to produce it? Perhaps. Is it evidence of Mueller destroying evidence and obstructing justice? No. And don't forget, Mueller (and Comey and McCabe, and Rosenstein, etc...) are all lifelong Republicans, so Trump's claims about only being opposed by "angry Democrats" is (like many of his other rants) entirely baseless.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 16:55






      • 2





        The destroying evidence bit refers to text messages later in the article. The question of the 302 having possibly been destroyed was raised, but not asserted. Only the failure to produce them was asserted. I have no interest in defending everything Trump says, either, but I am concerned about corruption in our intelligence and law agencies.

        – jpmc26
        Jul 9 at 17:16
















      26















      When elected, Trump made a big point that his opponent should be investigated and "locked up" over the email controversy. Almost immediately after winning the election, he made tacitly clear he was dropping that as a serious proposal, and to the best of my knowledge he did in fact drop it.




      Your entire premise is wrong. Trump has and continues to see this as a serious proposal:



      In November of 2018, the NY Times reported that Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton.




      President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation



      ...



      Mr. Trump repeatedly pressed Justice Department officials about the status of Clinton-related investigations, including Mr. Whitaker when he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations




      This was soon corroborated by CNN: Trump raised prosecuting Clinton with top White House, Justice officials:




      President Donald Trump on multiple occasions raised with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Matt Whitaker, who was then-chief of staff to Jeff Sessions, whether the Justice Department was progressing in investigating Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the matter.



      The President also wanted his previous White House counsel, Don McGahn, to ask the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton on numerous occasions, but McGahn rebuffed doing that, the source said.




      The Mueller report, released in April 2019, appears to confirm this reporting (page 321 of this huge PDF, or Part 2 Page 109):




      Later in 2017, the President continued to urge Sessions to reverse his recusal from campaign-related investigations and considered replacing Sessions with an Attorney General who would not be recused.



      On October 16, 2017, the President met privately with Sessions and said that the Department of Justice was not investigating individuals and events that the President thought the Department should be investigating. According to contemporaneous notes taken by Porter, who was at the meeting, the President mentioned Clinton's emails and said, "Don't have to tell us, just take [a] look." Sessions did not offer any assurances or promises to the President that the Department of Justice would comply with that request. Two days later, on October 18, 2017, the President tweeted, "Wow, FBI confirms report that James Comey drafted letter exonerating Crooked Hillary Clinton long before investigation was complete. Many people not interviewed, including Clinton herself. Comey stated under oath that he didn't do this-obviously a fix? Where is Justice Dept?" On October 29, 2017, the President tweeted that there was "ANGER & UNITY" over a "lack of investigation" of Clinton and "the Comey fix," and concluded: "DO SOMETHING!"




      The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise.



      Now in early 2018, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions declined to appoint a special counsel, but did assign a US prosecutor to investigate several Clinton-related matters:




      “I have already directed senior federal prosecutors to evaluate certain issues previously raised by the Committee,” Sessions noted, referring to a November letter to Congress that provided vague suggestions that he would consider congressional GOP complaints about the Clinton investigation.




      If you read the original letter sent by the committee, you can see they're talking largely about Clinton's emails, the Clinton Foundation, and Clinton's (supposed) involvement in the sale of Uranium One.



      We have not yet seen any results of this investigation.



      Additional related articles:



      • Trump Is Going on the Offensive to Take Down His Political Enemies





      share|improve this answer




















      • 5





        "The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise." The alternative perspective, held by many on the right, is that these individuals are corrupt and biased in favor of Democrats. See Sidney Powell's discussions of her encounters with some of them, for example. (On a question about Trump supporter's opinions, this perspective would seem to be wholly relevant.)

        – jpmc26
        Jul 9 at 10:20







      • 8





        @jpmc26 I concede that's what many on the right believe; I just think those claims quickly fall apart when fairly investigated. I also think Trump has been largely restrained by a DOJ staffed with people who actually take their oath of office seriously and therefore have been willing to push back on clearly illegal or inappropriate requests. But with Trump's appointments of Barr and others who pass Trump's "loyalty test", that may be changing, for the detriment of us all.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 14:49






      • 3





        @jpmc26 Not looked into this before, but that article seems false on its face. The FBI interview of Flynn was post-inauguration, late Jan 2017, not Jan 2016. So the doc we have (see here, or a recently released less-redacted version here), which was typed up in Feb 2017, appears to be the original 302, not some "later summary", as suggested.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 16:01







      • 3





        @jpmc26 Yep, looks like the editorial was written just before the 302 was released. Is that evidence that Mueller was slow to produce it? Perhaps. Is it evidence of Mueller destroying evidence and obstructing justice? No. And don't forget, Mueller (and Comey and McCabe, and Rosenstein, etc...) are all lifelong Republicans, so Trump's claims about only being opposed by "angry Democrats" is (like many of his other rants) entirely baseless.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 16:55






      • 2





        The destroying evidence bit refers to text messages later in the article. The question of the 302 having possibly been destroyed was raised, but not asserted. Only the failure to produce them was asserted. I have no interest in defending everything Trump says, either, but I am concerned about corruption in our intelligence and law agencies.

        – jpmc26
        Jul 9 at 17:16














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      When elected, Trump made a big point that his opponent should be investigated and "locked up" over the email controversy. Almost immediately after winning the election, he made tacitly clear he was dropping that as a serious proposal, and to the best of my knowledge he did in fact drop it.




      Your entire premise is wrong. Trump has and continues to see this as a serious proposal:



      In November of 2018, the NY Times reported that Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton.




      President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation



      ...



      Mr. Trump repeatedly pressed Justice Department officials about the status of Clinton-related investigations, including Mr. Whitaker when he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations




      This was soon corroborated by CNN: Trump raised prosecuting Clinton with top White House, Justice officials:




      President Donald Trump on multiple occasions raised with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Matt Whitaker, who was then-chief of staff to Jeff Sessions, whether the Justice Department was progressing in investigating Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the matter.



      The President also wanted his previous White House counsel, Don McGahn, to ask the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton on numerous occasions, but McGahn rebuffed doing that, the source said.




      The Mueller report, released in April 2019, appears to confirm this reporting (page 321 of this huge PDF, or Part 2 Page 109):




      Later in 2017, the President continued to urge Sessions to reverse his recusal from campaign-related investigations and considered replacing Sessions with an Attorney General who would not be recused.



      On October 16, 2017, the President met privately with Sessions and said that the Department of Justice was not investigating individuals and events that the President thought the Department should be investigating. According to contemporaneous notes taken by Porter, who was at the meeting, the President mentioned Clinton's emails and said, "Don't have to tell us, just take [a] look." Sessions did not offer any assurances or promises to the President that the Department of Justice would comply with that request. Two days later, on October 18, 2017, the President tweeted, "Wow, FBI confirms report that James Comey drafted letter exonerating Crooked Hillary Clinton long before investigation was complete. Many people not interviewed, including Clinton herself. Comey stated under oath that he didn't do this-obviously a fix? Where is Justice Dept?" On October 29, 2017, the President tweeted that there was "ANGER & UNITY" over a "lack of investigation" of Clinton and "the Comey fix," and concluded: "DO SOMETHING!"




      The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise.



      Now in early 2018, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions declined to appoint a special counsel, but did assign a US prosecutor to investigate several Clinton-related matters:




      “I have already directed senior federal prosecutors to evaluate certain issues previously raised by the Committee,” Sessions noted, referring to a November letter to Congress that provided vague suggestions that he would consider congressional GOP complaints about the Clinton investigation.




      If you read the original letter sent by the committee, you can see they're talking largely about Clinton's emails, the Clinton Foundation, and Clinton's (supposed) involvement in the sale of Uranium One.



      We have not yet seen any results of this investigation.



      Additional related articles:



      • Trump Is Going on the Offensive to Take Down His Political Enemies





      share|improve this answer
















      When elected, Trump made a big point that his opponent should be investigated and "locked up" over the email controversy. Almost immediately after winning the election, he made tacitly clear he was dropping that as a serious proposal, and to the best of my knowledge he did in fact drop it.




      Your entire premise is wrong. Trump has and continues to see this as a serious proposal:



      In November of 2018, the NY Times reported that Trump Wanted to Order Justice Dept. to Prosecute Comey and Clinton.




      President Trump told the White House counsel in the spring that he wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two of his political adversaries: his 2016 challenger, Hillary Clinton, and the former F.B.I. director James B. Comey, according to two people familiar with the conversation



      ...



      Mr. Trump repeatedly pressed Justice Department officials about the status of Clinton-related investigations, including Mr. Whitaker when he was the chief of staff to Attorney General Jeff Sessions, according to a person with direct knowledge of the conversations




      This was soon corroborated by CNN: Trump raised prosecuting Clinton with top White House, Justice officials:




      President Donald Trump on multiple occasions raised with Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and Matt Whitaker, who was then-chief of staff to Jeff Sessions, whether the Justice Department was progressing in investigating Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the matter.



      The President also wanted his previous White House counsel, Don McGahn, to ask the Justice Department to prosecute Clinton on numerous occasions, but McGahn rebuffed doing that, the source said.




      The Mueller report, released in April 2019, appears to confirm this reporting (page 321 of this huge PDF, or Part 2 Page 109):




      Later in 2017, the President continued to urge Sessions to reverse his recusal from campaign-related investigations and considered replacing Sessions with an Attorney General who would not be recused.



      On October 16, 2017, the President met privately with Sessions and said that the Department of Justice was not investigating individuals and events that the President thought the Department should be investigating. According to contemporaneous notes taken by Porter, who was at the meeting, the President mentioned Clinton's emails and said, "Don't have to tell us, just take [a] look." Sessions did not offer any assurances or promises to the President that the Department of Justice would comply with that request. Two days later, on October 18, 2017, the President tweeted, "Wow, FBI confirms report that James Comey drafted letter exonerating Crooked Hillary Clinton long before investigation was complete. Many people not interviewed, including Clinton herself. Comey stated under oath that he didn't do this-obviously a fix? Where is Justice Dept?" On October 29, 2017, the President tweeted that there was "ANGER & UNITY" over a "lack of investigation" of Clinton and "the Comey fix," and concluded: "DO SOMETHING!"




      The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise.



      Now in early 2018, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions declined to appoint a special counsel, but did assign a US prosecutor to investigate several Clinton-related matters:




      “I have already directed senior federal prosecutors to evaluate certain issues previously raised by the Committee,” Sessions noted, referring to a November letter to Congress that provided vague suggestions that he would consider congressional GOP complaints about the Clinton investigation.




      If you read the original letter sent by the committee, you can see they're talking largely about Clinton's emails, the Clinton Foundation, and Clinton's (supposed) involvement in the sale of Uranium One.



      We have not yet seen any results of this investigation.



      Additional related articles:



      • Trump Is Going on the Offensive to Take Down His Political Enemies






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        "The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise." The alternative perspective, held by many on the right, is that these individuals are corrupt and biased in favor of Democrats. See Sidney Powell's discussions of her encounters with some of them, for example. (On a question about Trump supporter's opinions, this perspective would seem to be wholly relevant.)

        – jpmc26
        Jul 9 at 10:20







      • 8





        @jpmc26 I concede that's what many on the right believe; I just think those claims quickly fall apart when fairly investigated. I also think Trump has been largely restrained by a DOJ staffed with people who actually take their oath of office seriously and therefore have been willing to push back on clearly illegal or inappropriate requests. But with Trump's appointments of Barr and others who pass Trump's "loyalty test", that may be changing, for the detriment of us all.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 14:49






      • 3





        @jpmc26 Not looked into this before, but that article seems false on its face. The FBI interview of Flynn was post-inauguration, late Jan 2017, not Jan 2016. So the doc we have (see here, or a recently released less-redacted version here), which was typed up in Feb 2017, appears to be the original 302, not some "later summary", as suggested.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 16:01







      • 3





        @jpmc26 Yep, looks like the editorial was written just before the 302 was released. Is that evidence that Mueller was slow to produce it? Perhaps. Is it evidence of Mueller destroying evidence and obstructing justice? No. And don't forget, Mueller (and Comey and McCabe, and Rosenstein, etc...) are all lifelong Republicans, so Trump's claims about only being opposed by "angry Democrats" is (like many of his other rants) entirely baseless.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 16:55






      • 2





        The destroying evidence bit refers to text messages later in the article. The question of the 302 having possibly been destroyed was raised, but not asserted. Only the failure to produce them was asserted. I have no interest in defending everything Trump says, either, but I am concerned about corruption in our intelligence and law agencies.

        – jpmc26
        Jul 9 at 17:16













      • 5





        "The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise." The alternative perspective, held by many on the right, is that these individuals are corrupt and biased in favor of Democrats. See Sidney Powell's discussions of her encounters with some of them, for example. (On a question about Trump supporter's opinions, this perspective would seem to be wholly relevant.)

        – jpmc26
        Jul 9 at 10:20







      • 8





        @jpmc26 I concede that's what many on the right believe; I just think those claims quickly fall apart when fairly investigated. I also think Trump has been largely restrained by a DOJ staffed with people who actually take their oath of office seriously and therefore have been willing to push back on clearly illegal or inappropriate requests. But with Trump's appointments of Barr and others who pass Trump's "loyalty test", that may be changing, for the detriment of us all.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 14:49






      • 3





        @jpmc26 Not looked into this before, but that article seems false on its face. The FBI interview of Flynn was post-inauguration, late Jan 2017, not Jan 2016. So the doc we have (see here, or a recently released less-redacted version here), which was typed up in Feb 2017, appears to be the original 302, not some "later summary", as suggested.

        – BradC
        Jul 9 at 16:01







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        @jpmc26 Yep, looks like the editorial was written just before the 302 was released. Is that evidence that Mueller was slow to produce it? Perhaps. Is it evidence of Mueller destroying evidence and obstructing justice? No. And don't forget, Mueller (and Comey and McCabe, and Rosenstein, etc...) are all lifelong Republicans, so Trump's claims about only being opposed by "angry Democrats" is (like many of his other rants) entirely baseless.

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        The destroying evidence bit refers to text messages later in the article. The question of the 302 having possibly been destroyed was raised, but not asserted. Only the failure to produce them was asserted. I have no interest in defending everything Trump says, either, but I am concerned about corruption in our intelligence and law agencies.

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      "The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise." The alternative perspective, held by many on the right, is that these individuals are corrupt and biased in favor of Democrats. See Sidney Powell's discussions of her encounters with some of them, for example. (On a question about Trump supporter's opinions, this perspective would seem to be wholly relevant.)

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      "The fact that Trump was unsuccessful in his efforts says more about the (lack of) evidence than it does about Trump's desire to pursue this campaign promise." The alternative perspective, held by many on the right, is that these individuals are corrupt and biased in favor of Democrats. See Sidney Powell's discussions of her encounters with some of them, for example. (On a question about Trump supporter's opinions, this perspective would seem to be wholly relevant.)

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      @jpmc26 I concede that's what many on the right believe; I just think those claims quickly fall apart when fairly investigated. I also think Trump has been largely restrained by a DOJ staffed with people who actually take their oath of office seriously and therefore have been willing to push back on clearly illegal or inappropriate requests. But with Trump's appointments of Barr and others who pass Trump's "loyalty test", that may be changing, for the detriment of us all.

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      @jpmc26 I concede that's what many on the right believe; I just think those claims quickly fall apart when fairly investigated. I also think Trump has been largely restrained by a DOJ staffed with people who actually take their oath of office seriously and therefore have been willing to push back on clearly illegal or inappropriate requests. But with Trump's appointments of Barr and others who pass Trump's "loyalty test", that may be changing, for the detriment of us all.

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      @jpmc26 Not looked into this before, but that article seems false on its face. The FBI interview of Flynn was post-inauguration, late Jan 2017, not Jan 2016. So the doc we have (see here, or a recently released less-redacted version here), which was typed up in Feb 2017, appears to be the original 302, not some "later summary", as suggested.

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      @jpmc26 Not looked into this before, but that article seems false on its face. The FBI interview of Flynn was post-inauguration, late Jan 2017, not Jan 2016. So the doc we have (see here, or a recently released less-redacted version here), which was typed up in Feb 2017, appears to be the original 302, not some "later summary", as suggested.

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      @jpmc26 Yep, looks like the editorial was written just before the 302 was released. Is that evidence that Mueller was slow to produce it? Perhaps. Is it evidence of Mueller destroying evidence and obstructing justice? No. And don't forget, Mueller (and Comey and McCabe, and Rosenstein, etc...) are all lifelong Republicans, so Trump's claims about only being opposed by "angry Democrats" is (like many of his other rants) entirely baseless.

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      @jpmc26 Yep, looks like the editorial was written just before the 302 was released. Is that evidence that Mueller was slow to produce it? Perhaps. Is it evidence of Mueller destroying evidence and obstructing justice? No. And don't forget, Mueller (and Comey and McCabe, and Rosenstein, etc...) are all lifelong Republicans, so Trump's claims about only being opposed by "angry Democrats" is (like many of his other rants) entirely baseless.

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      The destroying evidence bit refers to text messages later in the article. The question of the 302 having possibly been destroyed was raised, but not asserted. Only the failure to produce them was asserted. I have no interest in defending everything Trump says, either, but I am concerned about corruption in our intelligence and law agencies.

      – jpmc26
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      The destroying evidence bit refers to text messages later in the article. The question of the 302 having possibly been destroyed was raised, but not asserted. Only the failure to produce them was asserted. I have no interest in defending everything Trump says, either, but I am concerned about corruption in our intelligence and law agencies.

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      A large part of the problem here is that you are viewing the chanters as Donald Trump supporters. Perhaps that's not how they view themselves. Perhaps they view themselves as protesters who are bringing attention to the ongoing failure of the government to enforce proper treatment of classified information.



      There is an argument that Hillary Clinton should be arrested and charged. She was given classified information that she then treated recklessly and carelessly. The decision not to charge her was made by someone who himself leaked classified material.



      Another observation that the chants may be less about supporting Trump and more about Clinton:




      But what struck me as odd, in retrospect, was that this man was still obsessing over his hatred of Clinton, nearly two years after she lost the election. He had nothing positive to say about the man he’d voted for, only wrath for the woman who ran against him.




      Really though, if you want the answer to this, we're the wrong place to ask. Go to a Trump rally, find a chanter, and ask that person. Repeat until you get a nice selection of answers with many repeats. The only thing we could really do would be to link you to someone else who did that. But it seems like the media is more interested in speculating than in doing actual research, as I can't find anything like that.






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      • So, from a purely procedural point of view, why did the FBI investigation not lead to a prosecution? It also seems odd, and unsourced, to describe Comey as a "(Democrat) partisan" when (per Wikipedia) he was a registered Republican for most of his life?

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        @pjc50 Comey pushed for prosecution and was shut down by higher ups in the DOJ. This explains his half-hearted explanation of the investigation's findings, which amounted to, "she clearly broke the law, but we're not prosecuting because reasons." It would also explain why Clinton subsequently threw him under the bus in the media.

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      A large part of the problem here is that you are viewing the chanters as Donald Trump supporters. Perhaps that's not how they view themselves. Perhaps they view themselves as protesters who are bringing attention to the ongoing failure of the government to enforce proper treatment of classified information.



      There is an argument that Hillary Clinton should be arrested and charged. She was given classified information that she then treated recklessly and carelessly. The decision not to charge her was made by someone who himself leaked classified material.



      Another observation that the chants may be less about supporting Trump and more about Clinton:




      But what struck me as odd, in retrospect, was that this man was still obsessing over his hatred of Clinton, nearly two years after she lost the election. He had nothing positive to say about the man he’d voted for, only wrath for the woman who ran against him.




      Really though, if you want the answer to this, we're the wrong place to ask. Go to a Trump rally, find a chanter, and ask that person. Repeat until you get a nice selection of answers with many repeats. The only thing we could really do would be to link you to someone else who did that. But it seems like the media is more interested in speculating than in doing actual research, as I can't find anything like that.






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      • So, from a purely procedural point of view, why did the FBI investigation not lead to a prosecution? It also seems odd, and unsourced, to describe Comey as a "(Democrat) partisan" when (per Wikipedia) he was a registered Republican for most of his life?

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        @pjc50 Comey pushed for prosecution and was shut down by higher ups in the DOJ. This explains his half-hearted explanation of the investigation's findings, which amounted to, "she clearly broke the law, but we're not prosecuting because reasons." It would also explain why Clinton subsequently threw him under the bus in the media.

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      A large part of the problem here is that you are viewing the chanters as Donald Trump supporters. Perhaps that's not how they view themselves. Perhaps they view themselves as protesters who are bringing attention to the ongoing failure of the government to enforce proper treatment of classified information.



      There is an argument that Hillary Clinton should be arrested and charged. She was given classified information that she then treated recklessly and carelessly. The decision not to charge her was made by someone who himself leaked classified material.



      Another observation that the chants may be less about supporting Trump and more about Clinton:




      But what struck me as odd, in retrospect, was that this man was still obsessing over his hatred of Clinton, nearly two years after she lost the election. He had nothing positive to say about the man he’d voted for, only wrath for the woman who ran against him.




      Really though, if you want the answer to this, we're the wrong place to ask. Go to a Trump rally, find a chanter, and ask that person. Repeat until you get a nice selection of answers with many repeats. The only thing we could really do would be to link you to someone else who did that. But it seems like the media is more interested in speculating than in doing actual research, as I can't find anything like that.






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      A large part of the problem here is that you are viewing the chanters as Donald Trump supporters. Perhaps that's not how they view themselves. Perhaps they view themselves as protesters who are bringing attention to the ongoing failure of the government to enforce proper treatment of classified information.



      There is an argument that Hillary Clinton should be arrested and charged. She was given classified information that she then treated recklessly and carelessly. The decision not to charge her was made by someone who himself leaked classified material.



      Another observation that the chants may be less about supporting Trump and more about Clinton:




      But what struck me as odd, in retrospect, was that this man was still obsessing over his hatred of Clinton, nearly two years after she lost the election. He had nothing positive to say about the man he’d voted for, only wrath for the woman who ran against him.




      Really though, if you want the answer to this, we're the wrong place to ask. Go to a Trump rally, find a chanter, and ask that person. Repeat until you get a nice selection of answers with many repeats. The only thing we could really do would be to link you to someone else who did that. But it seems like the media is more interested in speculating than in doing actual research, as I can't find anything like that.







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      • So, from a purely procedural point of view, why did the FBI investigation not lead to a prosecution? It also seems odd, and unsourced, to describe Comey as a "(Democrat) partisan" when (per Wikipedia) he was a registered Republican for most of his life?

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        @pjc50 Comey pushed for prosecution and was shut down by higher ups in the DOJ. This explains his half-hearted explanation of the investigation's findings, which amounted to, "she clearly broke the law, but we're not prosecuting because reasons." It would also explain why Clinton subsequently threw him under the bus in the media.

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      • So, from a purely procedural point of view, why did the FBI investigation not lead to a prosecution? It also seems odd, and unsourced, to describe Comey as a "(Democrat) partisan" when (per Wikipedia) he was a registered Republican for most of his life?

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        @pjc50 Comey pushed for prosecution and was shut down by higher ups in the DOJ. This explains his half-hearted explanation of the investigation's findings, which amounted to, "she clearly broke the law, but we're not prosecuting because reasons." It would also explain why Clinton subsequently threw him under the bus in the media.

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      So, from a purely procedural point of view, why did the FBI investigation not lead to a prosecution? It also seems odd, and unsourced, to describe Comey as a "(Democrat) partisan" when (per Wikipedia) he was a registered Republican for most of his life?

      – pjc50
      Jul 9 at 14:53






      So, from a purely procedural point of view, why did the FBI investigation not lead to a prosecution? It also seems odd, and unsourced, to describe Comey as a "(Democrat) partisan" when (per Wikipedia) he was a registered Republican for most of his life?

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      @pjc50 Comey pushed for prosecution and was shut down by higher ups in the DOJ. This explains his half-hearted explanation of the investigation's findings, which amounted to, "she clearly broke the law, but we're not prosecuting because reasons." It would also explain why Clinton subsequently threw him under the bus in the media.

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      @pjc50 Comey pushed for prosecution and was shut down by higher ups in the DOJ. This explains his half-hearted explanation of the investigation's findings, which amounted to, "she clearly broke the law, but we're not prosecuting because reasons." It would also explain why Clinton subsequently threw him under the bus in the media.

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      It's a bit of a sunk cost fallacy, or escalation of commitment.




      Escalation of commitment is a human behavior pattern in which an individual or group facing increasingly negative outcomes from a decision, action, or investment nevertheless continues the behavior instead of altering course. The actor maintains behaviors that are irrational, but align with previous decisions and actions.




      A non-trivial number of people bought into the idea of trial-by-political-rally that Republicans started in July 2016. In the time since, a Republican controlled House and Senate, and later Justice Department, were unable to find anything with which they could get charges filed against her (and certainly not for lack of trying).



      Instead, a number of prominent people under Trump have been found guilty of federal crimes, and if not for the Justice Department's policy against indicting a sitting president, Donald Trump would likely have been indicted by now as hundreds of former federal prosecutes have come out to claim.



      So what's a person in this situation to do? Unfortunately, many humans are remarkably resistant to admitting they have been duped. By some estimates, less than 5% of financial scams are ever reported because people are too ashamed to admit they were tricked, and that's when money has been taken from them. While some might snap out of it, many people will instead double-down on it, even as it continues to look more absurd, because they are already in too deep for their pride.






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        It's a bit of a sunk cost fallacy, or escalation of commitment.




        Escalation of commitment is a human behavior pattern in which an individual or group facing increasingly negative outcomes from a decision, action, or investment nevertheless continues the behavior instead of altering course. The actor maintains behaviors that are irrational, but align with previous decisions and actions.




        A non-trivial number of people bought into the idea of trial-by-political-rally that Republicans started in July 2016. In the time since, a Republican controlled House and Senate, and later Justice Department, were unable to find anything with which they could get charges filed against her (and certainly not for lack of trying).



        Instead, a number of prominent people under Trump have been found guilty of federal crimes, and if not for the Justice Department's policy against indicting a sitting president, Donald Trump would likely have been indicted by now as hundreds of former federal prosecutes have come out to claim.



        So what's a person in this situation to do? Unfortunately, many humans are remarkably resistant to admitting they have been duped. By some estimates, less than 5% of financial scams are ever reported because people are too ashamed to admit they were tricked, and that's when money has been taken from them. While some might snap out of it, many people will instead double-down on it, even as it continues to look more absurd, because they are already in too deep for their pride.






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          It's a bit of a sunk cost fallacy, or escalation of commitment.




          Escalation of commitment is a human behavior pattern in which an individual or group facing increasingly negative outcomes from a decision, action, or investment nevertheless continues the behavior instead of altering course. The actor maintains behaviors that are irrational, but align with previous decisions and actions.




          A non-trivial number of people bought into the idea of trial-by-political-rally that Republicans started in July 2016. In the time since, a Republican controlled House and Senate, and later Justice Department, were unable to find anything with which they could get charges filed against her (and certainly not for lack of trying).



          Instead, a number of prominent people under Trump have been found guilty of federal crimes, and if not for the Justice Department's policy against indicting a sitting president, Donald Trump would likely have been indicted by now as hundreds of former federal prosecutes have come out to claim.



          So what's a person in this situation to do? Unfortunately, many humans are remarkably resistant to admitting they have been duped. By some estimates, less than 5% of financial scams are ever reported because people are too ashamed to admit they were tricked, and that's when money has been taken from them. While some might snap out of it, many people will instead double-down on it, even as it continues to look more absurd, because they are already in too deep for their pride.






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          It's a bit of a sunk cost fallacy, or escalation of commitment.




          Escalation of commitment is a human behavior pattern in which an individual or group facing increasingly negative outcomes from a decision, action, or investment nevertheless continues the behavior instead of altering course. The actor maintains behaviors that are irrational, but align with previous decisions and actions.




          A non-trivial number of people bought into the idea of trial-by-political-rally that Republicans started in July 2016. In the time since, a Republican controlled House and Senate, and later Justice Department, were unable to find anything with which they could get charges filed against her (and certainly not for lack of trying).



          Instead, a number of prominent people under Trump have been found guilty of federal crimes, and if not for the Justice Department's policy against indicting a sitting president, Donald Trump would likely have been indicted by now as hundreds of former federal prosecutes have come out to claim.



          So what's a person in this situation to do? Unfortunately, many humans are remarkably resistant to admitting they have been duped. By some estimates, less than 5% of financial scams are ever reported because people are too ashamed to admit they were tricked, and that's when money has been taken from them. While some might snap out of it, many people will instead double-down on it, even as it continues to look more absurd, because they are already in too deep for their pride.







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              Looking at Politico Article from March, a month or so after the appointment of Barr as Attorney General, it seems likely that the re-emergence of "Lock Her Up" is linked to the same drain the swamp narrative used by the Trump campaign in 2016. I expect if he's ever asked about it directly he'll lay blame on Democrats for blocking investigations into Hillary Clinton.



              The opening paragraph;




              President Donald Trump said in an interview that aired Friday he hopes Attorney General William Barr will “do what’s fair” with regards to opening investigations to perceived crimes by his 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton, former FBI Director James Comey, former intelligence chief James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan.




              This plays into Trumps repeated comments about the Russia investigation as a Witch Hunt and the "Crooked Dems" positioning. By suggesting he's asking for "fairness" it paints anyone who disagrees with him as "unfair". Given the Democrat control of the house of Representatives and the subsequent difficulty of a Republican President to promote their own agenda it seems likely this will build toward the same plan as 2016.






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                Looking at Politico Article from March, a month or so after the appointment of Barr as Attorney General, it seems likely that the re-emergence of "Lock Her Up" is linked to the same drain the swamp narrative used by the Trump campaign in 2016. I expect if he's ever asked about it directly he'll lay blame on Democrats for blocking investigations into Hillary Clinton.



                The opening paragraph;




                President Donald Trump said in an interview that aired Friday he hopes Attorney General William Barr will “do what’s fair” with regards to opening investigations to perceived crimes by his 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton, former FBI Director James Comey, former intelligence chief James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan.




                This plays into Trumps repeated comments about the Russia investigation as a Witch Hunt and the "Crooked Dems" positioning. By suggesting he's asking for "fairness" it paints anyone who disagrees with him as "unfair". Given the Democrat control of the house of Representatives and the subsequent difficulty of a Republican President to promote their own agenda it seems likely this will build toward the same plan as 2016.






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                  Looking at Politico Article from March, a month or so after the appointment of Barr as Attorney General, it seems likely that the re-emergence of "Lock Her Up" is linked to the same drain the swamp narrative used by the Trump campaign in 2016. I expect if he's ever asked about it directly he'll lay blame on Democrats for blocking investigations into Hillary Clinton.



                  The opening paragraph;




                  President Donald Trump said in an interview that aired Friday he hopes Attorney General William Barr will “do what’s fair” with regards to opening investigations to perceived crimes by his 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton, former FBI Director James Comey, former intelligence chief James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan.




                  This plays into Trumps repeated comments about the Russia investigation as a Witch Hunt and the "Crooked Dems" positioning. By suggesting he's asking for "fairness" it paints anyone who disagrees with him as "unfair". Given the Democrat control of the house of Representatives and the subsequent difficulty of a Republican President to promote their own agenda it seems likely this will build toward the same plan as 2016.






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                  Looking at Politico Article from March, a month or so after the appointment of Barr as Attorney General, it seems likely that the re-emergence of "Lock Her Up" is linked to the same drain the swamp narrative used by the Trump campaign in 2016. I expect if he's ever asked about it directly he'll lay blame on Democrats for blocking investigations into Hillary Clinton.



                  The opening paragraph;




                  President Donald Trump said in an interview that aired Friday he hopes Attorney General William Barr will “do what’s fair” with regards to opening investigations to perceived crimes by his 2016 opponent Hillary Clinton, former FBI Director James Comey, former intelligence chief James Clapper and former CIA Director John Brennan.




                  This plays into Trumps repeated comments about the Russia investigation as a Witch Hunt and the "Crooked Dems" positioning. By suggesting he's asking for "fairness" it paints anyone who disagrees with him as "unfair". Given the Democrat control of the house of Representatives and the subsequent difficulty of a Republican President to promote their own agenda it seems likely this will build toward the same plan as 2016.







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                      A timely explanation may be the recent developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case which has been receiving renewed media attention since early 2019. Attentive voters of all political persuasions were outraged by the media blackout about Epstein in the leadup to the 2016 election, which seemed collusive since both Trump and Clinton had close connections to him. A new investigation into the handling of the Epstein case has been anticipated since late 2018, when members of Congress from both major parties began calling for it.



                      The unsourced rumor circulating on the right is that the Epstein case was memory holed to protect Hillary's candidacy, not Trump's, and that Trump is prepared to testify against the Clintons in a new sex crimes investigation. More concretely, Epstein is connected to the original "lock her up" chant in that he was, according to his own lawyers, involved in establishing the Clinton Global Initiative, which is part of the Clinton Foundation, which was at the center of allegations about Hillary selling Uranium to the Russians.






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                        That doesn't make sense: the new charges against Epstein happened days ago, while the chant has been a fixture of Trump's rallies for years.

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                        @divibisan They've been anticipated for several months; the linked Miami Herald article is from February 2019. IIRC it was late 2018 when members of Congress began calling for an investigation into the conduct of the original investigation.

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                        But then, why wouldn't they be chanting "Lock him up", if they were actually talking about allegations about Bill Clinton?

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                        This answer is a praeteritio.

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                        I don’t find this answer persuasive or correct but I don’t think it is so low quality to merit deletion. It could be improved by mentioning other aspects of Epstein/Clinton involvement that are relevant to Hillary Clinton’s alleged criminality. Like, how he was involved in starting the Clinton Global Initiative.

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                      A timely explanation may be the recent developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case which has been receiving renewed media attention since early 2019. Attentive voters of all political persuasions were outraged by the media blackout about Epstein in the leadup to the 2016 election, which seemed collusive since both Trump and Clinton had close connections to him. A new investigation into the handling of the Epstein case has been anticipated since late 2018, when members of Congress from both major parties began calling for it.



                      The unsourced rumor circulating on the right is that the Epstein case was memory holed to protect Hillary's candidacy, not Trump's, and that Trump is prepared to testify against the Clintons in a new sex crimes investigation. More concretely, Epstein is connected to the original "lock her up" chant in that he was, according to his own lawyers, involved in establishing the Clinton Global Initiative, which is part of the Clinton Foundation, which was at the center of allegations about Hillary selling Uranium to the Russians.






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                        That doesn't make sense: the new charges against Epstein happened days ago, while the chant has been a fixture of Trump's rallies for years.

                        – divibisan
                        Jul 9 at 19:14






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                        @divibisan They've been anticipated for several months; the linked Miami Herald article is from February 2019. IIRC it was late 2018 when members of Congress began calling for an investigation into the conduct of the original investigation.

                        – TKK
                        Jul 9 at 19:18







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                        But then, why wouldn't they be chanting "Lock him up", if they were actually talking about allegations about Bill Clinton?

                        – divibisan
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                        This answer is a praeteritio.

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                        I don’t find this answer persuasive or correct but I don’t think it is so low quality to merit deletion. It could be improved by mentioning other aspects of Epstein/Clinton involvement that are relevant to Hillary Clinton’s alleged criminality. Like, how he was involved in starting the Clinton Global Initiative.

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                      A timely explanation may be the recent developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case which has been receiving renewed media attention since early 2019. Attentive voters of all political persuasions were outraged by the media blackout about Epstein in the leadup to the 2016 election, which seemed collusive since both Trump and Clinton had close connections to him. A new investigation into the handling of the Epstein case has been anticipated since late 2018, when members of Congress from both major parties began calling for it.



                      The unsourced rumor circulating on the right is that the Epstein case was memory holed to protect Hillary's candidacy, not Trump's, and that Trump is prepared to testify against the Clintons in a new sex crimes investigation. More concretely, Epstein is connected to the original "lock her up" chant in that he was, according to his own lawyers, involved in establishing the Clinton Global Initiative, which is part of the Clinton Foundation, which was at the center of allegations about Hillary selling Uranium to the Russians.






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                      A timely explanation may be the recent developments in the Jeffrey Epstein case which has been receiving renewed media attention since early 2019. Attentive voters of all political persuasions were outraged by the media blackout about Epstein in the leadup to the 2016 election, which seemed collusive since both Trump and Clinton had close connections to him. A new investigation into the handling of the Epstein case has been anticipated since late 2018, when members of Congress from both major parties began calling for it.



                      The unsourced rumor circulating on the right is that the Epstein case was memory holed to protect Hillary's candidacy, not Trump's, and that Trump is prepared to testify against the Clintons in a new sex crimes investigation. More concretely, Epstein is connected to the original "lock her up" chant in that he was, according to his own lawyers, involved in establishing the Clinton Global Initiative, which is part of the Clinton Foundation, which was at the center of allegations about Hillary selling Uranium to the Russians.







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                        That doesn't make sense: the new charges against Epstein happened days ago, while the chant has been a fixture of Trump's rallies for years.

                        – divibisan
                        Jul 9 at 19:14






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                        @divibisan They've been anticipated for several months; the linked Miami Herald article is from February 2019. IIRC it was late 2018 when members of Congress began calling for an investigation into the conduct of the original investigation.

                        – TKK
                        Jul 9 at 19:18







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                        But then, why wouldn't they be chanting "Lock him up", if they were actually talking about allegations about Bill Clinton?

                        – divibisan
                        Jul 9 at 19:25






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                        This answer is a praeteritio.

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                        Jul 11 at 3:20






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                        I don’t find this answer persuasive or correct but I don’t think it is so low quality to merit deletion. It could be improved by mentioning other aspects of Epstein/Clinton involvement that are relevant to Hillary Clinton’s alleged criminality. Like, how he was involved in starting the Clinton Global Initiative.

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                        That doesn't make sense: the new charges against Epstein happened days ago, while the chant has been a fixture of Trump's rallies for years.

                        – divibisan
                        Jul 9 at 19:14






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                        @divibisan They've been anticipated for several months; the linked Miami Herald article is from February 2019. IIRC it was late 2018 when members of Congress began calling for an investigation into the conduct of the original investigation.

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                        Jul 9 at 19:18







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                        But then, why wouldn't they be chanting "Lock him up", if they were actually talking about allegations about Bill Clinton?

                        – divibisan
                        Jul 9 at 19:25






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                        This answer is a praeteritio.

                        – agc
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                        I don’t find this answer persuasive or correct but I don’t think it is so low quality to merit deletion. It could be improved by mentioning other aspects of Epstein/Clinton involvement that are relevant to Hillary Clinton’s alleged criminality. Like, how he was involved in starting the Clinton Global Initiative.

                        – Joe
                        Jul 11 at 3:55







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                      That doesn't make sense: the new charges against Epstein happened days ago, while the chant has been a fixture of Trump's rallies for years.

                      – divibisan
                      Jul 9 at 19:14





                      That doesn't make sense: the new charges against Epstein happened days ago, while the chant has been a fixture of Trump's rallies for years.

                      – divibisan
                      Jul 9 at 19:14




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                      @divibisan They've been anticipated for several months; the linked Miami Herald article is from February 2019. IIRC it was late 2018 when members of Congress began calling for an investigation into the conduct of the original investigation.

                      – TKK
                      Jul 9 at 19:18






                      @divibisan They've been anticipated for several months; the linked Miami Herald article is from February 2019. IIRC it was late 2018 when members of Congress began calling for an investigation into the conduct of the original investigation.

                      – TKK
                      Jul 9 at 19:18





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                      But then, why wouldn't they be chanting "Lock him up", if they were actually talking about allegations about Bill Clinton?

                      – divibisan
                      Jul 9 at 19:25





                      But then, why wouldn't they be chanting "Lock him up", if they were actually talking about allegations about Bill Clinton?

                      – divibisan
                      Jul 9 at 19:25




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                      This answer is a praeteritio.

                      – agc
                      Jul 11 at 3:20





                      This answer is a praeteritio.

                      – agc
                      Jul 11 at 3:20




                      3




                      3





                      I don’t find this answer persuasive or correct but I don’t think it is so low quality to merit deletion. It could be improved by mentioning other aspects of Epstein/Clinton involvement that are relevant to Hillary Clinton’s alleged criminality. Like, how he was involved in starting the Clinton Global Initiative.

                      – Joe
                      Jul 11 at 3:55





                      I don’t find this answer persuasive or correct but I don’t think it is so low quality to merit deletion. It could be improved by mentioning other aspects of Epstein/Clinton involvement that are relevant to Hillary Clinton’s alleged criminality. Like, how he was involved in starting the Clinton Global Initiative.

                      – Joe
                      Jul 11 at 3:55



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