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Is it possible to grow new organs through exposure to radioactivity?
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I was thinking of something like growing extra eyes, heads, or limbs, but in the exposed individual not through his descendant that get the mutation. What I have found is that in individuals exposed to radiation the side effect are jaw falling off or limbs and damages to internal organs, and growing extra organs only occur to the baby born from exposure of radioactive (correct me if im wrong).
So in my world the people deliberately eat a plant that contain high radioactivity to get mutated as a sign of their religion and ascension because people that survive and get mutated are rare and considered exotic, similar like Japanese mountain priest/monk called shugendo having a diet rich in arsenic and mercury to get immortal body (easy mummified body)
Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff (the people don't necessary biologically/anatomically like human except they are bipedal before mutation), if exposure or eating radioactive can't grow limbs or new organs.
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I was thinking of something like growing extra eyes, heads, or limbs, but in the exposed individual not through his descendant that get the mutation. What I have found is that in individuals exposed to radiation the side effect are jaw falling off or limbs and damages to internal organs, and growing extra organs only occur to the baby born from exposure of radioactive (correct me if im wrong).
So in my world the people deliberately eat a plant that contain high radioactivity to get mutated as a sign of their religion and ascension because people that survive and get mutated are rare and considered exotic, similar like Japanese mountain priest/monk called shugendo having a diet rich in arsenic and mercury to get immortal body (easy mummified body)
Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff (the people don't necessary biologically/anatomically like human except they are bipedal before mutation), if exposure or eating radioactive can't grow limbs or new organs.
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Why don't you just go with mysterious plant x and skip the explanation? You don't seem to have a background in science or medicine, very hard to pull off something like that from just one answer on se. I guarantee you, even though there are possibilities here from the top of my head, if you go with some explanation you don't really understand, it'll be worse than if you just say "mystery plant that rewrites dna". You will make mistakes that will be noticed by anyone who is familiar with that topic
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FYI, I have made some reading on the topic, and the non rotting corpse is due to the arsenic rich water they drink, and this explains why the process works only in certain valleys. Mercury is not involved at all.
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– L.Dutch♦
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Radioactivity tends to cause radiation sickness and death. Anything else is found in comic books - IRL radioactivity has such a low chance of producing any mutation that's anywhere close to the Hulk, Spiederman and similar, that it's not worth considering. Especially if you want it to happen very widely - say you get one mutation that's "beneficial" (or in that broad area) - that would be a HUGE exception to the normal chain of events. And if you want that to repeat both in "not being deadly" sense and having it work the same way as before, you're past astrologically low odds.
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@LiJun it's in the same sphere of a mutation that's not cancer or death. And some comic book mutants do only have an extra arm or something. There is also games like Fallout that deal with the matter and they similarly have some very odd and completely unrealistic mutations (FO3 I think had some guy turn into a tree). Basically anything non-cancer and non-death related can be lumped into the same category - getting an extra arm has such a miniscule chance of occurring that compared with the chance of getting "spider sense" and super strength, the difference is negligible.
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@VLAZ The guy who has turned into a tree did not do so as a result of radiation exposure. He was exposed to the FEV.
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I was thinking of something like growing extra eyes, heads, or limbs, but in the exposed individual not through his descendant that get the mutation. What I have found is that in individuals exposed to radiation the side effect are jaw falling off or limbs and damages to internal organs, and growing extra organs only occur to the baby born from exposure of radioactive (correct me if im wrong).
So in my world the people deliberately eat a plant that contain high radioactivity to get mutated as a sign of their religion and ascension because people that survive and get mutated are rare and considered exotic, similar like Japanese mountain priest/monk called shugendo having a diet rich in arsenic and mercury to get immortal body (easy mummified body)
Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff (the people don't necessary biologically/anatomically like human except they are bipedal before mutation), if exposure or eating radioactive can't grow limbs or new organs.
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I was thinking of something like growing extra eyes, heads, or limbs, but in the exposed individual not through his descendant that get the mutation. What I have found is that in individuals exposed to radiation the side effect are jaw falling off or limbs and damages to internal organs, and growing extra organs only occur to the baby born from exposure of radioactive (correct me if im wrong).
So in my world the people deliberately eat a plant that contain high radioactivity to get mutated as a sign of their religion and ascension because people that survive and get mutated are rare and considered exotic, similar like Japanese mountain priest/monk called shugendo having a diet rich in arsenic and mercury to get immortal body (easy mummified body)
Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff (the people don't necessary biologically/anatomically like human except they are bipedal before mutation), if exposure or eating radioactive can't grow limbs or new organs.
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Why don't you just go with mysterious plant x and skip the explanation? You don't seem to have a background in science or medicine, very hard to pull off something like that from just one answer on se. I guarantee you, even though there are possibilities here from the top of my head, if you go with some explanation you don't really understand, it'll be worse than if you just say "mystery plant that rewrites dna". You will make mistakes that will be noticed by anyone who is familiar with that topic
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FYI, I have made some reading on the topic, and the non rotting corpse is due to the arsenic rich water they drink, and this explains why the process works only in certain valleys. Mercury is not involved at all.
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– L.Dutch♦
Aug 13 at 7:05
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Radioactivity tends to cause radiation sickness and death. Anything else is found in comic books - IRL radioactivity has such a low chance of producing any mutation that's anywhere close to the Hulk, Spiederman and similar, that it's not worth considering. Especially if you want it to happen very widely - say you get one mutation that's "beneficial" (or in that broad area) - that would be a HUGE exception to the normal chain of events. And if you want that to repeat both in "not being deadly" sense and having it work the same way as before, you're past astrologically low odds.
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– VLAZ
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@LiJun it's in the same sphere of a mutation that's not cancer or death. And some comic book mutants do only have an extra arm or something. There is also games like Fallout that deal with the matter and they similarly have some very odd and completely unrealistic mutations (FO3 I think had some guy turn into a tree). Basically anything non-cancer and non-death related can be lumped into the same category - getting an extra arm has such a miniscule chance of occurring that compared with the chance of getting "spider sense" and super strength, the difference is negligible.
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– VLAZ
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@VLAZ The guy who has turned into a tree did not do so as a result of radiation exposure. He was exposed to the FEV.
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Why don't you just go with mysterious plant x and skip the explanation? You don't seem to have a background in science or medicine, very hard to pull off something like that from just one answer on se. I guarantee you, even though there are possibilities here from the top of my head, if you go with some explanation you don't really understand, it'll be worse than if you just say "mystery plant that rewrites dna". You will make mistakes that will be noticed by anyone who is familiar with that topic
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– Raditz_35
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FYI, I have made some reading on the topic, and the non rotting corpse is due to the arsenic rich water they drink, and this explains why the process works only in certain valleys. Mercury is not involved at all.
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– L.Dutch♦
Aug 13 at 7:05
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Radioactivity tends to cause radiation sickness and death. Anything else is found in comic books - IRL radioactivity has such a low chance of producing any mutation that's anywhere close to the Hulk, Spiederman and similar, that it's not worth considering. Especially if you want it to happen very widely - say you get one mutation that's "beneficial" (or in that broad area) - that would be a HUGE exception to the normal chain of events. And if you want that to repeat both in "not being deadly" sense and having it work the same way as before, you're past astrologically low odds.
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– VLAZ
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@LiJun it's in the same sphere of a mutation that's not cancer or death. And some comic book mutants do only have an extra arm or something. There is also games like Fallout that deal with the matter and they similarly have some very odd and completely unrealistic mutations (FO3 I think had some guy turn into a tree). Basically anything non-cancer and non-death related can be lumped into the same category - getting an extra arm has such a miniscule chance of occurring that compared with the chance of getting "spider sense" and super strength, the difference is negligible.
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– VLAZ
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@VLAZ The guy who has turned into a tree did not do so as a result of radiation exposure. He was exposed to the FEV.
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Why don't you just go with mysterious plant x and skip the explanation? You don't seem to have a background in science or medicine, very hard to pull off something like that from just one answer on se. I guarantee you, even though there are possibilities here from the top of my head, if you go with some explanation you don't really understand, it'll be worse than if you just say "mystery plant that rewrites dna". You will make mistakes that will be noticed by anyone who is familiar with that topic
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– Raditz_35
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Why don't you just go with mysterious plant x and skip the explanation? You don't seem to have a background in science or medicine, very hard to pull off something like that from just one answer on se. I guarantee you, even though there are possibilities here from the top of my head, if you go with some explanation you don't really understand, it'll be worse than if you just say "mystery plant that rewrites dna". You will make mistakes that will be noticed by anyone who is familiar with that topic
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FYI, I have made some reading on the topic, and the non rotting corpse is due to the arsenic rich water they drink, and this explains why the process works only in certain valleys. Mercury is not involved at all.
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– L.Dutch♦
Aug 13 at 7:05
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FYI, I have made some reading on the topic, and the non rotting corpse is due to the arsenic rich water they drink, and this explains why the process works only in certain valleys. Mercury is not involved at all.
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– L.Dutch♦
Aug 13 at 7:05
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Radioactivity tends to cause radiation sickness and death. Anything else is found in comic books - IRL radioactivity has such a low chance of producing any mutation that's anywhere close to the Hulk, Spiederman and similar, that it's not worth considering. Especially if you want it to happen very widely - say you get one mutation that's "beneficial" (or in that broad area) - that would be a HUGE exception to the normal chain of events. And if you want that to repeat both in "not being deadly" sense and having it work the same way as before, you're past astrologically low odds.
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– VLAZ
Aug 13 at 8:17
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Radioactivity tends to cause radiation sickness and death. Anything else is found in comic books - IRL radioactivity has such a low chance of producing any mutation that's anywhere close to the Hulk, Spiederman and similar, that it's not worth considering. Especially if you want it to happen very widely - say you get one mutation that's "beneficial" (or in that broad area) - that would be a HUGE exception to the normal chain of events. And if you want that to repeat both in "not being deadly" sense and having it work the same way as before, you're past astrologically low odds.
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– VLAZ
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@LiJun it's in the same sphere of a mutation that's not cancer or death. And some comic book mutants do only have an extra arm or something. There is also games like Fallout that deal with the matter and they similarly have some very odd and completely unrealistic mutations (FO3 I think had some guy turn into a tree). Basically anything non-cancer and non-death related can be lumped into the same category - getting an extra arm has such a miniscule chance of occurring that compared with the chance of getting "spider sense" and super strength, the difference is negligible.
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– VLAZ
Aug 13 at 8:24
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@LiJun it's in the same sphere of a mutation that's not cancer or death. And some comic book mutants do only have an extra arm or something. There is also games like Fallout that deal with the matter and they similarly have some very odd and completely unrealistic mutations (FO3 I think had some guy turn into a tree). Basically anything non-cancer and non-death related can be lumped into the same category - getting an extra arm has such a miniscule chance of occurring that compared with the chance of getting "spider sense" and super strength, the difference is negligible.
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– VLAZ
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@VLAZ The guy who has turned into a tree did not do so as a result of radiation exposure. He was exposed to the FEV.
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– Arkenstein XII
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@VLAZ The guy who has turned into a tree did not do so as a result of radiation exposure. He was exposed to the FEV.
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Considering that you said
Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff
Radiation is probably not the way to go for the results you want. The growth of new organs requires modification of DNA, recently there have been lots of advancements in DNA editing through CRISPR. Maybe the plant they are consuming produces a CRISPR like gene editing process at random and that allows for mutations.
Nevertheless gene editing is not my area of expertise, but for a layman it may sound plausible enough that it will fit your story.
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Well, the problem is that if it's random, it will be unlikely to produce the same or similar mutation every time. Much less have a very precise mutation like an extra limb or organ. It needs to be targetted somewhat. Maybe it can still vary - say, the extra arm could be left or right one, or placed differently. Or maybe it's a random extra organ but it's one every time. Which is an interesting plot hook - why is there a plant that when ingested specifically allows for a type of modification - is it artificially made to feed to people to make replacement organs?
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– VLAZ
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@VLAZ the random the limb or other organs grow or in different place for each person the better or the closest for the the mutated people i seek actually. but i also need some side effect though like high chance for failure or dead during the process too.
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– Li Jun
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@LiJun here is a plot hook for you, then - some plants actually grow arms. Others will lead you to grow, say, a liver, or maybe an eye. All of them are spare organs but you have to consume one plant either exclusively or at least mostly to get that organ. If you start eating the arm and liver plant that leads to failure. The different types of plant are very hard or even impossible to distinguish - perhaps they were supposed to be planted in different areas but spread around. So people eating the plants will likely get the mutation if they eat the right plants it would fail otherwise.
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– VLAZ
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@VLAZ why the plant need to be separrated though ? cant single plant grant all that mutation? my people actually like the randomness of the mutation it dont even need to be practical organs since they consider it as exotic body for each individual to be different.
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– Li Jun
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@LiJun it's just an idea I had. You still have the randomness, as you don't know which plant grants what, but you have a chance of failure if different plants are ingested. Perhaps people can barely distinguish them using folk methods. They don't even all need to be accurate - we have plenty of folk beliefs IRL that don't actually make sense. Say, they might believe that picking plants with your left arm when your back is against the sun would grant them powers. It worked for aunt Mary, so they do it. It doesn't actually do anything, though.
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The odds of radioactivity giving you new organs is on the order of the probability of you spontaneously generating new limbs without radiation. It's so slim we don't even think about it.
The growth of an organ is an astonishingly orchestrated art. Dozens of small factors come together in an environment which is conducive to organ generation. There's all sorts of fun things going on. For example, the nerves from the optic nerve in the eye grow backwards along chemical trails to the visual cortex in the rear of the brain. Those chemical trails cease to exist afterwards. The retina then produces a unique test pattern of ever widening diamonds which the visual cortex then uses to sort through the signals to figure out which nerves go where. After this very short phase in development, you will never see that test pattern again; the retina never again emits it.
As an analogy for what you seek, consider the orchestra hit at the beginning of Star Wars. Its bright, beautiful, and it sets the mood for the rest of the movie. In theory, one could hand a pile of instruments to a bunch of 5 year olds, and they could reproduce that sound. But, more than likely, the sound will be more like what you expect from a bunch of 5 year olds handed musical instruments. A cacophony.
That cacophony is called cancer.
Indeed, the difference between an organ and cancer is that we like what the organs do, and they formed at an agreed upon reasonable time.
If you want a fun lesson on how this works, take a look at Caenorhabditis elegans. It's a nemoatode which has been studied in depth. We actually understand all of the genetic and environmental signals which go into the construction of its nervous system. It's pretty glorious!
If you really want exotic mutations due to radiation, it will have to be something other than the radiation that causes it. Perhaps the species you are dealing with has a very particular defensive mechanism against inhospitable environments, and a touch of radiation is sufficient to trigger it. Then it's not the radiation that's causing an organ to form, it's some pre-chosen pattern in the DNA which responds to stresses.
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Your statistics and biology are correct, but I'd beware of calling cancer a "cacaphony." Cancer cells are really reallly good at producing exact copies of themselves -it's not chaotic or random.
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– Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft 5 year old children are also really good at reproducing the particularly annoying sounds with great regularity ;-) (Point is taken, but you must admit that, when compared to the symphony which puts all of our organs in the right place, cancer is a pretty discordant note)
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@CarlWitthoft all cells are really really good at producing exact copies of themselves. Most choose to do that at orderly times. Cancer does it whenever it damn well feels like it. That's what makes it chaotic. I think Cort's analogy is apt so long as you understand what is meant by chaos is unrestrained cellular growth not hyperactive evolution.
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Do you have links to articles on the optic development you described? I know it's not the main point of the answer, but that stuff is fascinating, I'd like to read more, and it's surprisingly hard to find.
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When DNA manipulation techniques were yet to come, and scientists wanted to explore genetic mutation, they had to use something similar to what you depicted. They applied this method to developing new plant variants.
How did it work?
They placed a gamma emitter in the center of a circular field, then planted crops all around.
During growth the crops were exposed to different level of gamma radiation, and developed various random mutations. The produced, mutated seeds were then planted on a normal field and the plants tested for useful mutations.
This is how some of the currently most diffused wheat varieties have been developed.
While this can be applied to plants, it's hardly transferrable to animals/humans:
- plants produce hundreds to thousands seeds each time. Animals at best
can have ten babies per time. Humans hardly go past 1. Since you are playing with statistics, big numbers are your friend here. - plants, especially crops used for farming, reproduce once a year and within one season. Humans cannot reproduce earlier than about 12 years from birth. Again, big numbers are your friends.
- plants do not have specific body plans and organs, while animals do. Parts of a plant growing chaotically will generally not harm the rest of the plant, while this will kill animals. (credits @IndigoFenix for pointing it out)
In any case, to grow new organs as a consequence of mutation, you need:
- a mutation in the right place in the genetic code
- the mutation must be active when that part of the genetic code is used
Now, in our genetic code, the part about developing limbs and organs is expressed during the embryo growth, then it is silenced. Therefore mutating that part after the growth, as it would happen for an adult exposed to radiation, would be useless. It's like changing the recipe of a cake after you have baked it: it won't bear any consequence on the cake.
The only mutations we know that triggers cellular growth are those leading to cancer, which, as you might now, is all but an organized growth.
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The silencing of growth maybe revoked which will result most times in health issues.
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– Lee
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cool image! I did not know about that technique.
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Ummmm.... "animals can have at best 10 babies..." consider turtles, frogs, most fish,.... I think you might be limiting yourself to live-birth animals.
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No
To mutate, the person needs to be a fetus at the time and the odds are extremely low. In all likelihood the fetus would self abort from the cellular damage.
Radiation can damage the DNA but that leads to cancer or just dying of radiation poisoning.
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Have you any prove that it is not possible? When you see damage as random alteration it may possible. But also even more unlikely when the more complex an organ is. So there may split an kidney so that you have three kidneys. An Eye on the feet is even more unlikely.
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– Lee
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Well from the millions that have been exposed to nuclear power plant meltdowns and nuclear bomb fallout, no record of spontaneous eyes, tentacles or third nipples have been recorded by the affected. Birth defects were found in newborns and lots of adults died of cancer.
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@Lee As much as you want to twist the word possible, it isn't going to happen in a realistic setting. Not only would the radiation need to make a random alteration, It would need to make the same alteration to a huge number of cells. Given that the human body will absorb the radiation in differing amounts (first cell exposed absorb more and the radiation decays with time) it would be impossible for every cell to be exposed to the exact same radiation and under go the exact same change to create a fully functioning body part.
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– Shadowzee
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This is incorrect. Cancer cells themselves are a mutation.
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As several other people have suggested, exposure to radiation is extremely unlikely to do anything except make you sick in a variety of ways, including cell death and cancer among a depressing list of bad.
It is just barely possible that your offspring would grow an extra organ of the same type as an existing one. An extra toe is not an extremely rare thing. This is basically a "counting" error, and could exist without killing the individual. Three kidneys instead of two, and things such as that. When such things do happen they often produce non-functional versions. The extra toe has no muscles or tendons attached. The extra kidney has no connections to the urinary system. So even this is often a significant detriment to the individual.
An entirely new organ is grossly unlikely. Organs don't simply spring into existence without a development history. You get slight changes that are then selected in or out of the gene pool, depending on if they are slightly better or worse than the rest of the population.
However, the people on this planet might only think it was radiation. They might be subject to neoteny. The axolotl is a salamander-like critter that lives in water. Ordinarily it goes through its entire life cycle in water, living, breeding, raising young, etc. If they get injected with iodine then they metamorphose into a different form that is more adapted to living on land. Seems like some distant ancestor of this critter was so adapted, and they lost that stage at some point. But it's still there lurking in their DNA. And a big dose of iodine can bring it out.
So maybe these people are neotonous. At some point in their evolutionary history they had a metamorphosis to adapt to some condition. Maybe it was much wetter part of the year. But they lost this adaptation. Maybe a massive dose of something in the plants will trigger the growth of gills to allow them to live in ponds. There are lots of possibilities.
However, this would not be random. There would be a certain condition that triggered a certain transformation. Possibly incomplete in some individuals who had not got the full set of transformed genes. But it would not occasionally produce some entirely unknown thing. Creatures that were neotonous forms of salamanders would not suddenly grow feathers and wings, for example.
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Radiation, no. Too random. But hey, we're not talking about humans here, so let's play with this... in spite of the science-based
tag, probably.
In our own world we have numerous examples of multi-stage life forms that pass through two or more forms after birth to adulthood. Tadpoles grow legs and lose their tails to become frogs. Dragonfly nymphs moult several times, the last time revealing their wings. Eels go through up to 4 different metamorphoses during their life cycle. And so on.
Interestingly, not all animals capable of metamorphosis do so purely on biological timers. Sometimes the transformation only occurs due to environmental factors.
Let's assume that some time in the ancient past of your world the proto-humanoids were just such a creature. They start out as a vaguely ape-shaped creature and remain that way until they encounter the environmental factor that stimulates a gland to produce the hormones that start their transformation to adulthood. The stimulus is fairly common in plants of their world, but over time they evolve to a nearly symbiotic relationship on a particular family of plants. Only by consuming the sap of the plants in that family will their final transformation begin.
As their transformation stimulus becomes more specific they also evolve to become fully fertile during their 'juvenile' stage. They no longer need to transform to continue their species. This new strain is less reliant on the plants because they can breed without them. They continue to develop until the local equivalent of H. Sap. becomes the dominant intelligent species of the planet.
But somewhere in their heads there is a tiny group of cells, a small gland that looks like part of their endocrine system but doesn't seem to have any real purpose. Nobody really knows what it does.
Until one day some explorer finds a small plant with an interesting smell and starts eating it. He falls ill of course, and when the fevers pass he has changed. Maybe he has new parts, maybe some of those old parts that everyone thought were just atavistic left-overs from their evolutionary past become enlarged and fully functional again. Their endocrine balance shifts and so on.
So he gives the plant to someone else and it kills them, because their genetics are too far off the original line. In fact it turns out that only a small percentage of the population actually has suitable genetics to survive the transformation process, he was just one lucky S.O.B.
70% are lacking the genetic sequence that codes for iodothyronine (or whatever hormone you like) production or some other blocker and nothing happens. 20% go through the transformation with varying degrees of success, including the few full transformations.
And the other 10%, unlucky sods that they are, die in screaming agony as the transformation goes out of control and destroys their bodies.
So... 1 in 10 chance of agonizing death.
Et voila, an 'intelligent' species with a reason to do something stupid that's probably going to do nothing but could make them much better than other people. Or kill them horribly.
No radiation required. :)
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Larry Niven invented the Pak, a race that has just such a lifecycle. In that scenario, humans are the offspring of a Pak colony that got stuck at the "breeder" stage, because thallium oxide is too rare on Earth and preventing our transformation to "protector" (human bodies start to transform anyway, then the transformation fails - e.g. blood vessels start to develop arteriosclerosis which is a necessary preparation to the transformation but harmful if the other changes do not happen).
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that tag add by Renan actually. although its indeed better to be base on real science, but i personally fine with pseudo science answer though as long it make sense or reasonable. :)
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@toolforger Yeah, I was trying to hint at protectors without actually bringing them up. The Pak 'virus' was a strange idea that sounds good but doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Thallium Oxide (Tl2O3?) doesn't trigger the change, it's required for the virus to replicate in yams. Fun story though :)
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It is not possible to grow new organs by exposure to radioactivity. Radiation is harmful and in strong enough doses it kills.
It would require something like genetic engineering to grow new organs. In fact, the human beings in your story would need to have acquired something like the ability of the axolotl and other animals, which mostly are reptilian, to grow new or replacement organs when damaged or injured.
This assumes the people in your world will have been modified by genetic engineering at some time in the past. Certainly long enough ago that rituals concerning the growth of new organs have developed and are part of their society.
The plants capable triggering the growing of new organs may contain chemicals or molecular biological agents that cause their bodies to commence new organ growth. Agents of this kind may have been inserted in the plants by genetic engineering.
This scenario assumes there were persons (aliens?? time-travellers??) who possessed genetic engineering technology. They could have modified both the people and plants in your world. Rituals of growing new organs could have been encouraged to exist by them or the rituals may have arisen through natural interaction by the world's people with the plants.
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strangely enough three of answer here actually related in their history or prototype biology :)
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– Li Jun
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Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff (the people don't necessary biologically/anatomically like human except they are bipedal before mutation), if exposure or eating radioactive can't grow limbs or new organs.
Since others have already answered the question I thought I could give an interesting alternative!
There are parasitic worms that are known to cause extreme limb mutations in frog species. Such as giving the host many additional legs. This mutation however occurs while the frog transforms from tadpole to mature, so it is unlikely to work on already mature humans.
You can find more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribeiroia
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Considering that you said
Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff
Radiation is probably not the way to go for the results you want. The growth of new organs requires modification of DNA, recently there have been lots of advancements in DNA editing through CRISPR. Maybe the plant they are consuming produces a CRISPR like gene editing process at random and that allows for mutations.
Nevertheless gene editing is not my area of expertise, but for a layman it may sound plausible enough that it will fit your story.
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Well, the problem is that if it's random, it will be unlikely to produce the same or similar mutation every time. Much less have a very precise mutation like an extra limb or organ. It needs to be targetted somewhat. Maybe it can still vary - say, the extra arm could be left or right one, or placed differently. Or maybe it's a random extra organ but it's one every time. Which is an interesting plot hook - why is there a plant that when ingested specifically allows for a type of modification - is it artificially made to feed to people to make replacement organs?
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:32
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@VLAZ the random the limb or other organs grow or in different place for each person the better or the closest for the the mutated people i seek actually. but i also need some side effect though like high chance for failure or dead during the process too.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:42
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@LiJun here is a plot hook for you, then - some plants actually grow arms. Others will lead you to grow, say, a liver, or maybe an eye. All of them are spare organs but you have to consume one plant either exclusively or at least mostly to get that organ. If you start eating the arm and liver plant that leads to failure. The different types of plant are very hard or even impossible to distinguish - perhaps they were supposed to be planted in different areas but spread around. So people eating the plants will likely get the mutation if they eat the right plants it would fail otherwise.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:49
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@VLAZ why the plant need to be separrated though ? cant single plant grant all that mutation? my people actually like the randomness of the mutation it dont even need to be practical organs since they consider it as exotic body for each individual to be different.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:57
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@LiJun it's just an idea I had. You still have the randomness, as you don't know which plant grants what, but you have a chance of failure if different plants are ingested. Perhaps people can barely distinguish them using folk methods. They don't even all need to be accurate - we have plenty of folk beliefs IRL that don't actually make sense. Say, they might believe that picking plants with your left arm when your back is against the sun would grant them powers. It worked for aunt Mary, so they do it. It doesn't actually do anything, though.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 7:04
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Considering that you said
Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff
Radiation is probably not the way to go for the results you want. The growth of new organs requires modification of DNA, recently there have been lots of advancements in DNA editing through CRISPR. Maybe the plant they are consuming produces a CRISPR like gene editing process at random and that allows for mutations.
Nevertheless gene editing is not my area of expertise, but for a layman it may sound plausible enough that it will fit your story.
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Well, the problem is that if it's random, it will be unlikely to produce the same or similar mutation every time. Much less have a very precise mutation like an extra limb or organ. It needs to be targetted somewhat. Maybe it can still vary - say, the extra arm could be left or right one, or placed differently. Or maybe it's a random extra organ but it's one every time. Which is an interesting plot hook - why is there a plant that when ingested specifically allows for a type of modification - is it artificially made to feed to people to make replacement organs?
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:32
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@VLAZ the random the limb or other organs grow or in different place for each person the better or the closest for the the mutated people i seek actually. but i also need some side effect though like high chance for failure or dead during the process too.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:42
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@LiJun here is a plot hook for you, then - some plants actually grow arms. Others will lead you to grow, say, a liver, or maybe an eye. All of them are spare organs but you have to consume one plant either exclusively or at least mostly to get that organ. If you start eating the arm and liver plant that leads to failure. The different types of plant are very hard or even impossible to distinguish - perhaps they were supposed to be planted in different areas but spread around. So people eating the plants will likely get the mutation if they eat the right plants it would fail otherwise.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:49
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@VLAZ why the plant need to be separrated though ? cant single plant grant all that mutation? my people actually like the randomness of the mutation it dont even need to be practical organs since they consider it as exotic body for each individual to be different.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:57
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@LiJun it's just an idea I had. You still have the randomness, as you don't know which plant grants what, but you have a chance of failure if different plants are ingested. Perhaps people can barely distinguish them using folk methods. They don't even all need to be accurate - we have plenty of folk beliefs IRL that don't actually make sense. Say, they might believe that picking plants with your left arm when your back is against the sun would grant them powers. It worked for aunt Mary, so they do it. It doesn't actually do anything, though.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 7:04
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Considering that you said
Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff
Radiation is probably not the way to go for the results you want. The growth of new organs requires modification of DNA, recently there have been lots of advancements in DNA editing through CRISPR. Maybe the plant they are consuming produces a CRISPR like gene editing process at random and that allows for mutations.
Nevertheless gene editing is not my area of expertise, but for a layman it may sound plausible enough that it will fit your story.
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Considering that you said
Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff
Radiation is probably not the way to go for the results you want. The growth of new organs requires modification of DNA, recently there have been lots of advancements in DNA editing through CRISPR. Maybe the plant they are consuming produces a CRISPR like gene editing process at random and that allows for mutations.
Nevertheless gene editing is not my area of expertise, but for a layman it may sound plausible enough that it will fit your story.
answered Aug 13 at 20:52
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Well, the problem is that if it's random, it will be unlikely to produce the same or similar mutation every time. Much less have a very precise mutation like an extra limb or organ. It needs to be targetted somewhat. Maybe it can still vary - say, the extra arm could be left or right one, or placed differently. Or maybe it's a random extra organ but it's one every time. Which is an interesting plot hook - why is there a plant that when ingested specifically allows for a type of modification - is it artificially made to feed to people to make replacement organs?
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:32
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@VLAZ the random the limb or other organs grow or in different place for each person the better or the closest for the the mutated people i seek actually. but i also need some side effect though like high chance for failure or dead during the process too.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:42
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@LiJun here is a plot hook for you, then - some plants actually grow arms. Others will lead you to grow, say, a liver, or maybe an eye. All of them are spare organs but you have to consume one plant either exclusively or at least mostly to get that organ. If you start eating the arm and liver plant that leads to failure. The different types of plant are very hard or even impossible to distinguish - perhaps they were supposed to be planted in different areas but spread around. So people eating the plants will likely get the mutation if they eat the right plants it would fail otherwise.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:49
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@VLAZ why the plant need to be separrated though ? cant single plant grant all that mutation? my people actually like the randomness of the mutation it dont even need to be practical organs since they consider it as exotic body for each individual to be different.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:57
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@LiJun it's just an idea I had. You still have the randomness, as you don't know which plant grants what, but you have a chance of failure if different plants are ingested. Perhaps people can barely distinguish them using folk methods. They don't even all need to be accurate - we have plenty of folk beliefs IRL that don't actually make sense. Say, they might believe that picking plants with your left arm when your back is against the sun would grant them powers. It worked for aunt Mary, so they do it. It doesn't actually do anything, though.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 7:04
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Well, the problem is that if it's random, it will be unlikely to produce the same or similar mutation every time. Much less have a very precise mutation like an extra limb or organ. It needs to be targetted somewhat. Maybe it can still vary - say, the extra arm could be left or right one, or placed differently. Or maybe it's a random extra organ but it's one every time. Which is an interesting plot hook - why is there a plant that when ingested specifically allows for a type of modification - is it artificially made to feed to people to make replacement organs?
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:32
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@VLAZ the random the limb or other organs grow or in different place for each person the better or the closest for the the mutated people i seek actually. but i also need some side effect though like high chance for failure or dead during the process too.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:42
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@LiJun here is a plot hook for you, then - some plants actually grow arms. Others will lead you to grow, say, a liver, or maybe an eye. All of them are spare organs but you have to consume one plant either exclusively or at least mostly to get that organ. If you start eating the arm and liver plant that leads to failure. The different types of plant are very hard or even impossible to distinguish - perhaps they were supposed to be planted in different areas but spread around. So people eating the plants will likely get the mutation if they eat the right plants it would fail otherwise.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:49
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@VLAZ why the plant need to be separrated though ? cant single plant grant all that mutation? my people actually like the randomness of the mutation it dont even need to be practical organs since they consider it as exotic body for each individual to be different.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:57
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@LiJun it's just an idea I had. You still have the randomness, as you don't know which plant grants what, but you have a chance of failure if different plants are ingested. Perhaps people can barely distinguish them using folk methods. They don't even all need to be accurate - we have plenty of folk beliefs IRL that don't actually make sense. Say, they might believe that picking plants with your left arm when your back is against the sun would grant them powers. It worked for aunt Mary, so they do it. It doesn't actually do anything, though.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 7:04
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Well, the problem is that if it's random, it will be unlikely to produce the same or similar mutation every time. Much less have a very precise mutation like an extra limb or organ. It needs to be targetted somewhat. Maybe it can still vary - say, the extra arm could be left or right one, or placed differently. Or maybe it's a random extra organ but it's one every time. Which is an interesting plot hook - why is there a plant that when ingested specifically allows for a type of modification - is it artificially made to feed to people to make replacement organs?
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:32
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Well, the problem is that if it's random, it will be unlikely to produce the same or similar mutation every time. Much less have a very precise mutation like an extra limb or organ. It needs to be targetted somewhat. Maybe it can still vary - say, the extra arm could be left or right one, or placed differently. Or maybe it's a random extra organ but it's one every time. Which is an interesting plot hook - why is there a plant that when ingested specifically allows for a type of modification - is it artificially made to feed to people to make replacement organs?
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:32
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@VLAZ the random the limb or other organs grow or in different place for each person the better or the closest for the the mutated people i seek actually. but i also need some side effect though like high chance for failure or dead during the process too.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:42
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@VLAZ the random the limb or other organs grow or in different place for each person the better or the closest for the the mutated people i seek actually. but i also need some side effect though like high chance for failure or dead during the process too.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:42
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@LiJun here is a plot hook for you, then - some plants actually grow arms. Others will lead you to grow, say, a liver, or maybe an eye. All of them are spare organs but you have to consume one plant either exclusively or at least mostly to get that organ. If you start eating the arm and liver plant that leads to failure. The different types of plant are very hard or even impossible to distinguish - perhaps they were supposed to be planted in different areas but spread around. So people eating the plants will likely get the mutation if they eat the right plants it would fail otherwise.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:49
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@LiJun here is a plot hook for you, then - some plants actually grow arms. Others will lead you to grow, say, a liver, or maybe an eye. All of them are spare organs but you have to consume one plant either exclusively or at least mostly to get that organ. If you start eating the arm and liver plant that leads to failure. The different types of plant are very hard or even impossible to distinguish - perhaps they were supposed to be planted in different areas but spread around. So people eating the plants will likely get the mutation if they eat the right plants it would fail otherwise.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 6:49
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@VLAZ why the plant need to be separrated though ? cant single plant grant all that mutation? my people actually like the randomness of the mutation it dont even need to be practical organs since they consider it as exotic body for each individual to be different.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:57
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@VLAZ why the plant need to be separrated though ? cant single plant grant all that mutation? my people actually like the randomness of the mutation it dont even need to be practical organs since they consider it as exotic body for each individual to be different.
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 6:57
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@LiJun it's just an idea I had. You still have the randomness, as you don't know which plant grants what, but you have a chance of failure if different plants are ingested. Perhaps people can barely distinguish them using folk methods. They don't even all need to be accurate - we have plenty of folk beliefs IRL that don't actually make sense. Say, they might believe that picking plants with your left arm when your back is against the sun would grant them powers. It worked for aunt Mary, so they do it. It doesn't actually do anything, though.
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– VLAZ
Aug 14 at 7:04
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@LiJun it's just an idea I had. You still have the randomness, as you don't know which plant grants what, but you have a chance of failure if different plants are ingested. Perhaps people can barely distinguish them using folk methods. They don't even all need to be accurate - we have plenty of folk beliefs IRL that don't actually make sense. Say, they might believe that picking plants with your left arm when your back is against the sun would grant them powers. It worked for aunt Mary, so they do it. It doesn't actually do anything, though.
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The odds of radioactivity giving you new organs is on the order of the probability of you spontaneously generating new limbs without radiation. It's so slim we don't even think about it.
The growth of an organ is an astonishingly orchestrated art. Dozens of small factors come together in an environment which is conducive to organ generation. There's all sorts of fun things going on. For example, the nerves from the optic nerve in the eye grow backwards along chemical trails to the visual cortex in the rear of the brain. Those chemical trails cease to exist afterwards. The retina then produces a unique test pattern of ever widening diamonds which the visual cortex then uses to sort through the signals to figure out which nerves go where. After this very short phase in development, you will never see that test pattern again; the retina never again emits it.
As an analogy for what you seek, consider the orchestra hit at the beginning of Star Wars. Its bright, beautiful, and it sets the mood for the rest of the movie. In theory, one could hand a pile of instruments to a bunch of 5 year olds, and they could reproduce that sound. But, more than likely, the sound will be more like what you expect from a bunch of 5 year olds handed musical instruments. A cacophony.
That cacophony is called cancer.
Indeed, the difference between an organ and cancer is that we like what the organs do, and they formed at an agreed upon reasonable time.
If you want a fun lesson on how this works, take a look at Caenorhabditis elegans. It's a nemoatode which has been studied in depth. We actually understand all of the genetic and environmental signals which go into the construction of its nervous system. It's pretty glorious!
If you really want exotic mutations due to radiation, it will have to be something other than the radiation that causes it. Perhaps the species you are dealing with has a very particular defensive mechanism against inhospitable environments, and a touch of radiation is sufficient to trigger it. Then it's not the radiation that's causing an organ to form, it's some pre-chosen pattern in the DNA which responds to stresses.
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Your statistics and biology are correct, but I'd beware of calling cancer a "cacaphony." Cancer cells are really reallly good at producing exact copies of themselves -it's not chaotic or random.
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@CarlWitthoft 5 year old children are also really good at reproducing the particularly annoying sounds with great regularity ;-) (Point is taken, but you must admit that, when compared to the symphony which puts all of our organs in the right place, cancer is a pretty discordant note)
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@CarlWitthoft all cells are really really good at producing exact copies of themselves. Most choose to do that at orderly times. Cancer does it whenever it damn well feels like it. That's what makes it chaotic. I think Cort's analogy is apt so long as you understand what is meant by chaos is unrestrained cellular growth not hyperactive evolution.
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Do you have links to articles on the optic development you described? I know it's not the main point of the answer, but that stuff is fascinating, I'd like to read more, and it's surprisingly hard to find.
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– ShadowRanger
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The odds of radioactivity giving you new organs is on the order of the probability of you spontaneously generating new limbs without radiation. It's so slim we don't even think about it.
The growth of an organ is an astonishingly orchestrated art. Dozens of small factors come together in an environment which is conducive to organ generation. There's all sorts of fun things going on. For example, the nerves from the optic nerve in the eye grow backwards along chemical trails to the visual cortex in the rear of the brain. Those chemical trails cease to exist afterwards. The retina then produces a unique test pattern of ever widening diamonds which the visual cortex then uses to sort through the signals to figure out which nerves go where. After this very short phase in development, you will never see that test pattern again; the retina never again emits it.
As an analogy for what you seek, consider the orchestra hit at the beginning of Star Wars. Its bright, beautiful, and it sets the mood for the rest of the movie. In theory, one could hand a pile of instruments to a bunch of 5 year olds, and they could reproduce that sound. But, more than likely, the sound will be more like what you expect from a bunch of 5 year olds handed musical instruments. A cacophony.
That cacophony is called cancer.
Indeed, the difference between an organ and cancer is that we like what the organs do, and they formed at an agreed upon reasonable time.
If you want a fun lesson on how this works, take a look at Caenorhabditis elegans. It's a nemoatode which has been studied in depth. We actually understand all of the genetic and environmental signals which go into the construction of its nervous system. It's pretty glorious!
If you really want exotic mutations due to radiation, it will have to be something other than the radiation that causes it. Perhaps the species you are dealing with has a very particular defensive mechanism against inhospitable environments, and a touch of radiation is sufficient to trigger it. Then it's not the radiation that's causing an organ to form, it's some pre-chosen pattern in the DNA which responds to stresses.
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Your statistics and biology are correct, but I'd beware of calling cancer a "cacaphony." Cancer cells are really reallly good at producing exact copies of themselves -it's not chaotic or random.
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– Carl Witthoft
Aug 13 at 18:31
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@CarlWitthoft 5 year old children are also really good at reproducing the particularly annoying sounds with great regularity ;-) (Point is taken, but you must admit that, when compared to the symphony which puts all of our organs in the right place, cancer is a pretty discordant note)
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– Cort Ammon
Aug 13 at 18:52
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@CarlWitthoft all cells are really really good at producing exact copies of themselves. Most choose to do that at orderly times. Cancer does it whenever it damn well feels like it. That's what makes it chaotic. I think Cort's analogy is apt so long as you understand what is meant by chaos is unrestrained cellular growth not hyperactive evolution.
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– candied_orange
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Do you have links to articles on the optic development you described? I know it's not the main point of the answer, but that stuff is fascinating, I'd like to read more, and it's surprisingly hard to find.
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– ShadowRanger
Aug 14 at 23:38
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The odds of radioactivity giving you new organs is on the order of the probability of you spontaneously generating new limbs without radiation. It's so slim we don't even think about it.
The growth of an organ is an astonishingly orchestrated art. Dozens of small factors come together in an environment which is conducive to organ generation. There's all sorts of fun things going on. For example, the nerves from the optic nerve in the eye grow backwards along chemical trails to the visual cortex in the rear of the brain. Those chemical trails cease to exist afterwards. The retina then produces a unique test pattern of ever widening diamonds which the visual cortex then uses to sort through the signals to figure out which nerves go where. After this very short phase in development, you will never see that test pattern again; the retina never again emits it.
As an analogy for what you seek, consider the orchestra hit at the beginning of Star Wars. Its bright, beautiful, and it sets the mood for the rest of the movie. In theory, one could hand a pile of instruments to a bunch of 5 year olds, and they could reproduce that sound. But, more than likely, the sound will be more like what you expect from a bunch of 5 year olds handed musical instruments. A cacophony.
That cacophony is called cancer.
Indeed, the difference between an organ and cancer is that we like what the organs do, and they formed at an agreed upon reasonable time.
If you want a fun lesson on how this works, take a look at Caenorhabditis elegans. It's a nemoatode which has been studied in depth. We actually understand all of the genetic and environmental signals which go into the construction of its nervous system. It's pretty glorious!
If you really want exotic mutations due to radiation, it will have to be something other than the radiation that causes it. Perhaps the species you are dealing with has a very particular defensive mechanism against inhospitable environments, and a touch of radiation is sufficient to trigger it. Then it's not the radiation that's causing an organ to form, it's some pre-chosen pattern in the DNA which responds to stresses.
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The odds of radioactivity giving you new organs is on the order of the probability of you spontaneously generating new limbs without radiation. It's so slim we don't even think about it.
The growth of an organ is an astonishingly orchestrated art. Dozens of small factors come together in an environment which is conducive to organ generation. There's all sorts of fun things going on. For example, the nerves from the optic nerve in the eye grow backwards along chemical trails to the visual cortex in the rear of the brain. Those chemical trails cease to exist afterwards. The retina then produces a unique test pattern of ever widening diamonds which the visual cortex then uses to sort through the signals to figure out which nerves go where. After this very short phase in development, you will never see that test pattern again; the retina never again emits it.
As an analogy for what you seek, consider the orchestra hit at the beginning of Star Wars. Its bright, beautiful, and it sets the mood for the rest of the movie. In theory, one could hand a pile of instruments to a bunch of 5 year olds, and they could reproduce that sound. But, more than likely, the sound will be more like what you expect from a bunch of 5 year olds handed musical instruments. A cacophony.
That cacophony is called cancer.
Indeed, the difference between an organ and cancer is that we like what the organs do, and they formed at an agreed upon reasonable time.
If you want a fun lesson on how this works, take a look at Caenorhabditis elegans. It's a nemoatode which has been studied in depth. We actually understand all of the genetic and environmental signals which go into the construction of its nervous system. It's pretty glorious!
If you really want exotic mutations due to radiation, it will have to be something other than the radiation that causes it. Perhaps the species you are dealing with has a very particular defensive mechanism against inhospitable environments, and a touch of radiation is sufficient to trigger it. Then it's not the radiation that's causing an organ to form, it's some pre-chosen pattern in the DNA which responds to stresses.
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Your statistics and biology are correct, but I'd beware of calling cancer a "cacaphony." Cancer cells are really reallly good at producing exact copies of themselves -it's not chaotic or random.
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@CarlWitthoft 5 year old children are also really good at reproducing the particularly annoying sounds with great regularity ;-) (Point is taken, but you must admit that, when compared to the symphony which puts all of our organs in the right place, cancer is a pretty discordant note)
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@CarlWitthoft all cells are really really good at producing exact copies of themselves. Most choose to do that at orderly times. Cancer does it whenever it damn well feels like it. That's what makes it chaotic. I think Cort's analogy is apt so long as you understand what is meant by chaos is unrestrained cellular growth not hyperactive evolution.
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Do you have links to articles on the optic development you described? I know it's not the main point of the answer, but that stuff is fascinating, I'd like to read more, and it's surprisingly hard to find.
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Your statistics and biology are correct, but I'd beware of calling cancer a "cacaphony." Cancer cells are really reallly good at producing exact copies of themselves -it's not chaotic or random.
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– Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft 5 year old children are also really good at reproducing the particularly annoying sounds with great regularity ;-) (Point is taken, but you must admit that, when compared to the symphony which puts all of our organs in the right place, cancer is a pretty discordant note)
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– Cort Ammon
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@CarlWitthoft all cells are really really good at producing exact copies of themselves. Most choose to do that at orderly times. Cancer does it whenever it damn well feels like it. That's what makes it chaotic. I think Cort's analogy is apt so long as you understand what is meant by chaos is unrestrained cellular growth not hyperactive evolution.
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Do you have links to articles on the optic development you described? I know it's not the main point of the answer, but that stuff is fascinating, I'd like to read more, and it's surprisingly hard to find.
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– ShadowRanger
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Your statistics and biology are correct, but I'd beware of calling cancer a "cacaphony." Cancer cells are really reallly good at producing exact copies of themselves -it's not chaotic or random.
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– Carl Witthoft
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Your statistics and biology are correct, but I'd beware of calling cancer a "cacaphony." Cancer cells are really reallly good at producing exact copies of themselves -it's not chaotic or random.
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– Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft 5 year old children are also really good at reproducing the particularly annoying sounds with great regularity ;-) (Point is taken, but you must admit that, when compared to the symphony which puts all of our organs in the right place, cancer is a pretty discordant note)
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– Cort Ammon
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@CarlWitthoft 5 year old children are also really good at reproducing the particularly annoying sounds with great regularity ;-) (Point is taken, but you must admit that, when compared to the symphony which puts all of our organs in the right place, cancer is a pretty discordant note)
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– Cort Ammon
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@CarlWitthoft all cells are really really good at producing exact copies of themselves. Most choose to do that at orderly times. Cancer does it whenever it damn well feels like it. That's what makes it chaotic. I think Cort's analogy is apt so long as you understand what is meant by chaos is unrestrained cellular growth not hyperactive evolution.
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– candied_orange
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@CarlWitthoft all cells are really really good at producing exact copies of themselves. Most choose to do that at orderly times. Cancer does it whenever it damn well feels like it. That's what makes it chaotic. I think Cort's analogy is apt so long as you understand what is meant by chaos is unrestrained cellular growth not hyperactive evolution.
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– candied_orange
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Do you have links to articles on the optic development you described? I know it's not the main point of the answer, but that stuff is fascinating, I'd like to read more, and it's surprisingly hard to find.
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– ShadowRanger
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Do you have links to articles on the optic development you described? I know it's not the main point of the answer, but that stuff is fascinating, I'd like to read more, and it's surprisingly hard to find.
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When DNA manipulation techniques were yet to come, and scientists wanted to explore genetic mutation, they had to use something similar to what you depicted. They applied this method to developing new plant variants.
How did it work?
They placed a gamma emitter in the center of a circular field, then planted crops all around.
During growth the crops were exposed to different level of gamma radiation, and developed various random mutations. The produced, mutated seeds were then planted on a normal field and the plants tested for useful mutations.
This is how some of the currently most diffused wheat varieties have been developed.
While this can be applied to plants, it's hardly transferrable to animals/humans:
- plants produce hundreds to thousands seeds each time. Animals at best
can have ten babies per time. Humans hardly go past 1. Since you are playing with statistics, big numbers are your friend here. - plants, especially crops used for farming, reproduce once a year and within one season. Humans cannot reproduce earlier than about 12 years from birth. Again, big numbers are your friends.
- plants do not have specific body plans and organs, while animals do. Parts of a plant growing chaotically will generally not harm the rest of the plant, while this will kill animals. (credits @IndigoFenix for pointing it out)
In any case, to grow new organs as a consequence of mutation, you need:
- a mutation in the right place in the genetic code
- the mutation must be active when that part of the genetic code is used
Now, in our genetic code, the part about developing limbs and organs is expressed during the embryo growth, then it is silenced. Therefore mutating that part after the growth, as it would happen for an adult exposed to radiation, would be useless. It's like changing the recipe of a cake after you have baked it: it won't bear any consequence on the cake.
The only mutations we know that triggers cellular growth are those leading to cancer, which, as you might now, is all but an organized growth.
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The silencing of growth maybe revoked which will result most times in health issues.
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– Lee
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cool image! I did not know about that technique.
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Ummmm.... "animals can have at best 10 babies..." consider turtles, frogs, most fish,.... I think you might be limiting yourself to live-birth animals.
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– Carl Witthoft
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When DNA manipulation techniques were yet to come, and scientists wanted to explore genetic mutation, they had to use something similar to what you depicted. They applied this method to developing new plant variants.
How did it work?
They placed a gamma emitter in the center of a circular field, then planted crops all around.
During growth the crops were exposed to different level of gamma radiation, and developed various random mutations. The produced, mutated seeds were then planted on a normal field and the plants tested for useful mutations.
This is how some of the currently most diffused wheat varieties have been developed.
While this can be applied to plants, it's hardly transferrable to animals/humans:
- plants produce hundreds to thousands seeds each time. Animals at best
can have ten babies per time. Humans hardly go past 1. Since you are playing with statistics, big numbers are your friend here. - plants, especially crops used for farming, reproduce once a year and within one season. Humans cannot reproduce earlier than about 12 years from birth. Again, big numbers are your friends.
- plants do not have specific body plans and organs, while animals do. Parts of a plant growing chaotically will generally not harm the rest of the plant, while this will kill animals. (credits @IndigoFenix for pointing it out)
In any case, to grow new organs as a consequence of mutation, you need:
- a mutation in the right place in the genetic code
- the mutation must be active when that part of the genetic code is used
Now, in our genetic code, the part about developing limbs and organs is expressed during the embryo growth, then it is silenced. Therefore mutating that part after the growth, as it would happen for an adult exposed to radiation, would be useless. It's like changing the recipe of a cake after you have baked it: it won't bear any consequence on the cake.
The only mutations we know that triggers cellular growth are those leading to cancer, which, as you might now, is all but an organized growth.
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The silencing of growth maybe revoked which will result most times in health issues.
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– Lee
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cool image! I did not know about that technique.
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– Willk
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Ummmm.... "animals can have at best 10 babies..." consider turtles, frogs, most fish,.... I think you might be limiting yourself to live-birth animals.
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– Carl Witthoft
Aug 13 at 18:32
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When DNA manipulation techniques were yet to come, and scientists wanted to explore genetic mutation, they had to use something similar to what you depicted. They applied this method to developing new plant variants.
How did it work?
They placed a gamma emitter in the center of a circular field, then planted crops all around.
During growth the crops were exposed to different level of gamma radiation, and developed various random mutations. The produced, mutated seeds were then planted on a normal field and the plants tested for useful mutations.
This is how some of the currently most diffused wheat varieties have been developed.
While this can be applied to plants, it's hardly transferrable to animals/humans:
- plants produce hundreds to thousands seeds each time. Animals at best
can have ten babies per time. Humans hardly go past 1. Since you are playing with statistics, big numbers are your friend here. - plants, especially crops used for farming, reproduce once a year and within one season. Humans cannot reproduce earlier than about 12 years from birth. Again, big numbers are your friends.
- plants do not have specific body plans and organs, while animals do. Parts of a plant growing chaotically will generally not harm the rest of the plant, while this will kill animals. (credits @IndigoFenix for pointing it out)
In any case, to grow new organs as a consequence of mutation, you need:
- a mutation in the right place in the genetic code
- the mutation must be active when that part of the genetic code is used
Now, in our genetic code, the part about developing limbs and organs is expressed during the embryo growth, then it is silenced. Therefore mutating that part after the growth, as it would happen for an adult exposed to radiation, would be useless. It's like changing the recipe of a cake after you have baked it: it won't bear any consequence on the cake.
The only mutations we know that triggers cellular growth are those leading to cancer, which, as you might now, is all but an organized growth.
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When DNA manipulation techniques were yet to come, and scientists wanted to explore genetic mutation, they had to use something similar to what you depicted. They applied this method to developing new plant variants.
How did it work?
They placed a gamma emitter in the center of a circular field, then planted crops all around.
During growth the crops were exposed to different level of gamma radiation, and developed various random mutations. The produced, mutated seeds were then planted on a normal field and the plants tested for useful mutations.
This is how some of the currently most diffused wheat varieties have been developed.
While this can be applied to plants, it's hardly transferrable to animals/humans:
- plants produce hundreds to thousands seeds each time. Animals at best
can have ten babies per time. Humans hardly go past 1. Since you are playing with statistics, big numbers are your friend here. - plants, especially crops used for farming, reproduce once a year and within one season. Humans cannot reproduce earlier than about 12 years from birth. Again, big numbers are your friends.
- plants do not have specific body plans and organs, while animals do. Parts of a plant growing chaotically will generally not harm the rest of the plant, while this will kill animals. (credits @IndigoFenix for pointing it out)
In any case, to grow new organs as a consequence of mutation, you need:
- a mutation in the right place in the genetic code
- the mutation must be active when that part of the genetic code is used
Now, in our genetic code, the part about developing limbs and organs is expressed during the embryo growth, then it is silenced. Therefore mutating that part after the growth, as it would happen for an adult exposed to radiation, would be useless. It's like changing the recipe of a cake after you have baked it: it won't bear any consequence on the cake.
The only mutations we know that triggers cellular growth are those leading to cancer, which, as you might now, is all but an organized growth.
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The silencing of growth maybe revoked which will result most times in health issues.
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– Lee
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cool image! I did not know about that technique.
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– Willk
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Ummmm.... "animals can have at best 10 babies..." consider turtles, frogs, most fish,.... I think you might be limiting yourself to live-birth animals.
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– Carl Witthoft
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The silencing of growth maybe revoked which will result most times in health issues.
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– Lee
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cool image! I did not know about that technique.
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– Willk
Aug 13 at 18:12
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Ummmm.... "animals can have at best 10 babies..." consider turtles, frogs, most fish,.... I think you might be limiting yourself to live-birth animals.
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– Carl Witthoft
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The silencing of growth maybe revoked which will result most times in health issues.
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– Lee
Aug 13 at 6:14
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The silencing of growth maybe revoked which will result most times in health issues.
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– Lee
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cool image! I did not know about that technique.
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– Willk
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cool image! I did not know about that technique.
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– Willk
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Ummmm.... "animals can have at best 10 babies..." consider turtles, frogs, most fish,.... I think you might be limiting yourself to live-birth animals.
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– Carl Witthoft
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Ummmm.... "animals can have at best 10 babies..." consider turtles, frogs, most fish,.... I think you might be limiting yourself to live-birth animals.
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No
To mutate, the person needs to be a fetus at the time and the odds are extremely low. In all likelihood the fetus would self abort from the cellular damage.
Radiation can damage the DNA but that leads to cancer or just dying of radiation poisoning.
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Have you any prove that it is not possible? When you see damage as random alteration it may possible. But also even more unlikely when the more complex an organ is. So there may split an kidney so that you have three kidneys. An Eye on the feet is even more unlikely.
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– Lee
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Well from the millions that have been exposed to nuclear power plant meltdowns and nuclear bomb fallout, no record of spontaneous eyes, tentacles or third nipples have been recorded by the affected. Birth defects were found in newborns and lots of adults died of cancer.
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– Thorne
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@Lee As much as you want to twist the word possible, it isn't going to happen in a realistic setting. Not only would the radiation need to make a random alteration, It would need to make the same alteration to a huge number of cells. Given that the human body will absorb the radiation in differing amounts (first cell exposed absorb more and the radiation decays with time) it would be impossible for every cell to be exposed to the exact same radiation and under go the exact same change to create a fully functioning body part.
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– Shadowzee
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This is incorrect. Cancer cells themselves are a mutation.
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– Carl Witthoft
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No
To mutate, the person needs to be a fetus at the time and the odds are extremely low. In all likelihood the fetus would self abort from the cellular damage.
Radiation can damage the DNA but that leads to cancer or just dying of radiation poisoning.
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Have you any prove that it is not possible? When you see damage as random alteration it may possible. But also even more unlikely when the more complex an organ is. So there may split an kidney so that you have three kidneys. An Eye on the feet is even more unlikely.
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– Lee
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Well from the millions that have been exposed to nuclear power plant meltdowns and nuclear bomb fallout, no record of spontaneous eyes, tentacles or third nipples have been recorded by the affected. Birth defects were found in newborns and lots of adults died of cancer.
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– Thorne
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@Lee As much as you want to twist the word possible, it isn't going to happen in a realistic setting. Not only would the radiation need to make a random alteration, It would need to make the same alteration to a huge number of cells. Given that the human body will absorb the radiation in differing amounts (first cell exposed absorb more and the radiation decays with time) it would be impossible for every cell to be exposed to the exact same radiation and under go the exact same change to create a fully functioning body part.
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– Shadowzee
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This is incorrect. Cancer cells themselves are a mutation.
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– Carl Witthoft
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No
To mutate, the person needs to be a fetus at the time and the odds are extremely low. In all likelihood the fetus would self abort from the cellular damage.
Radiation can damage the DNA but that leads to cancer or just dying of radiation poisoning.
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No
To mutate, the person needs to be a fetus at the time and the odds are extremely low. In all likelihood the fetus would self abort from the cellular damage.
Radiation can damage the DNA but that leads to cancer or just dying of radiation poisoning.
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Have you any prove that it is not possible? When you see damage as random alteration it may possible. But also even more unlikely when the more complex an organ is. So there may split an kidney so that you have three kidneys. An Eye on the feet is even more unlikely.
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– Lee
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Well from the millions that have been exposed to nuclear power plant meltdowns and nuclear bomb fallout, no record of spontaneous eyes, tentacles or third nipples have been recorded by the affected. Birth defects were found in newborns and lots of adults died of cancer.
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– Thorne
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@Lee As much as you want to twist the word possible, it isn't going to happen in a realistic setting. Not only would the radiation need to make a random alteration, It would need to make the same alteration to a huge number of cells. Given that the human body will absorb the radiation in differing amounts (first cell exposed absorb more and the radiation decays with time) it would be impossible for every cell to be exposed to the exact same radiation and under go the exact same change to create a fully functioning body part.
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– Shadowzee
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This is incorrect. Cancer cells themselves are a mutation.
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– Carl Witthoft
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Have you any prove that it is not possible? When you see damage as random alteration it may possible. But also even more unlikely when the more complex an organ is. So there may split an kidney so that you have three kidneys. An Eye on the feet is even more unlikely.
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– Lee
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Well from the millions that have been exposed to nuclear power plant meltdowns and nuclear bomb fallout, no record of spontaneous eyes, tentacles or third nipples have been recorded by the affected. Birth defects were found in newborns and lots of adults died of cancer.
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– Thorne
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@Lee As much as you want to twist the word possible, it isn't going to happen in a realistic setting. Not only would the radiation need to make a random alteration, It would need to make the same alteration to a huge number of cells. Given that the human body will absorb the radiation in differing amounts (first cell exposed absorb more and the radiation decays with time) it would be impossible for every cell to be exposed to the exact same radiation and under go the exact same change to create a fully functioning body part.
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– Shadowzee
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This is incorrect. Cancer cells themselves are a mutation.
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– Carl Witthoft
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Have you any prove that it is not possible? When you see damage as random alteration it may possible. But also even more unlikely when the more complex an organ is. So there may split an kidney so that you have three kidneys. An Eye on the feet is even more unlikely.
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– Lee
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Have you any prove that it is not possible? When you see damage as random alteration it may possible. But also even more unlikely when the more complex an organ is. So there may split an kidney so that you have three kidneys. An Eye on the feet is even more unlikely.
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– Lee
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Well from the millions that have been exposed to nuclear power plant meltdowns and nuclear bomb fallout, no record of spontaneous eyes, tentacles or third nipples have been recorded by the affected. Birth defects were found in newborns and lots of adults died of cancer.
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– Thorne
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Well from the millions that have been exposed to nuclear power plant meltdowns and nuclear bomb fallout, no record of spontaneous eyes, tentacles or third nipples have been recorded by the affected. Birth defects were found in newborns and lots of adults died of cancer.
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– Thorne
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@Lee As much as you want to twist the word possible, it isn't going to happen in a realistic setting. Not only would the radiation need to make a random alteration, It would need to make the same alteration to a huge number of cells. Given that the human body will absorb the radiation in differing amounts (first cell exposed absorb more and the radiation decays with time) it would be impossible for every cell to be exposed to the exact same radiation and under go the exact same change to create a fully functioning body part.
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– Shadowzee
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@Lee As much as you want to twist the word possible, it isn't going to happen in a realistic setting. Not only would the radiation need to make a random alteration, It would need to make the same alteration to a huge number of cells. Given that the human body will absorb the radiation in differing amounts (first cell exposed absorb more and the radiation decays with time) it would be impossible for every cell to be exposed to the exact same radiation and under go the exact same change to create a fully functioning body part.
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– Shadowzee
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This is incorrect. Cancer cells themselves are a mutation.
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– Carl Witthoft
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This is incorrect. Cancer cells themselves are a mutation.
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As several other people have suggested, exposure to radiation is extremely unlikely to do anything except make you sick in a variety of ways, including cell death and cancer among a depressing list of bad.
It is just barely possible that your offspring would grow an extra organ of the same type as an existing one. An extra toe is not an extremely rare thing. This is basically a "counting" error, and could exist without killing the individual. Three kidneys instead of two, and things such as that. When such things do happen they often produce non-functional versions. The extra toe has no muscles or tendons attached. The extra kidney has no connections to the urinary system. So even this is often a significant detriment to the individual.
An entirely new organ is grossly unlikely. Organs don't simply spring into existence without a development history. You get slight changes that are then selected in or out of the gene pool, depending on if they are slightly better or worse than the rest of the population.
However, the people on this planet might only think it was radiation. They might be subject to neoteny. The axolotl is a salamander-like critter that lives in water. Ordinarily it goes through its entire life cycle in water, living, breeding, raising young, etc. If they get injected with iodine then they metamorphose into a different form that is more adapted to living on land. Seems like some distant ancestor of this critter was so adapted, and they lost that stage at some point. But it's still there lurking in their DNA. And a big dose of iodine can bring it out.
So maybe these people are neotonous. At some point in their evolutionary history they had a metamorphosis to adapt to some condition. Maybe it was much wetter part of the year. But they lost this adaptation. Maybe a massive dose of something in the plants will trigger the growth of gills to allow them to live in ponds. There are lots of possibilities.
However, this would not be random. There would be a certain condition that triggered a certain transformation. Possibly incomplete in some individuals who had not got the full set of transformed genes. But it would not occasionally produce some entirely unknown thing. Creatures that were neotonous forms of salamanders would not suddenly grow feathers and wings, for example.
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As several other people have suggested, exposure to radiation is extremely unlikely to do anything except make you sick in a variety of ways, including cell death and cancer among a depressing list of bad.
It is just barely possible that your offspring would grow an extra organ of the same type as an existing one. An extra toe is not an extremely rare thing. This is basically a "counting" error, and could exist without killing the individual. Three kidneys instead of two, and things such as that. When such things do happen they often produce non-functional versions. The extra toe has no muscles or tendons attached. The extra kidney has no connections to the urinary system. So even this is often a significant detriment to the individual.
An entirely new organ is grossly unlikely. Organs don't simply spring into existence without a development history. You get slight changes that are then selected in or out of the gene pool, depending on if they are slightly better or worse than the rest of the population.
However, the people on this planet might only think it was radiation. They might be subject to neoteny. The axolotl is a salamander-like critter that lives in water. Ordinarily it goes through its entire life cycle in water, living, breeding, raising young, etc. If they get injected with iodine then they metamorphose into a different form that is more adapted to living on land. Seems like some distant ancestor of this critter was so adapted, and they lost that stage at some point. But it's still there lurking in their DNA. And a big dose of iodine can bring it out.
So maybe these people are neotonous. At some point in their evolutionary history they had a metamorphosis to adapt to some condition. Maybe it was much wetter part of the year. But they lost this adaptation. Maybe a massive dose of something in the plants will trigger the growth of gills to allow them to live in ponds. There are lots of possibilities.
However, this would not be random. There would be a certain condition that triggered a certain transformation. Possibly incomplete in some individuals who had not got the full set of transformed genes. But it would not occasionally produce some entirely unknown thing. Creatures that were neotonous forms of salamanders would not suddenly grow feathers and wings, for example.
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As several other people have suggested, exposure to radiation is extremely unlikely to do anything except make you sick in a variety of ways, including cell death and cancer among a depressing list of bad.
It is just barely possible that your offspring would grow an extra organ of the same type as an existing one. An extra toe is not an extremely rare thing. This is basically a "counting" error, and could exist without killing the individual. Three kidneys instead of two, and things such as that. When such things do happen they often produce non-functional versions. The extra toe has no muscles or tendons attached. The extra kidney has no connections to the urinary system. So even this is often a significant detriment to the individual.
An entirely new organ is grossly unlikely. Organs don't simply spring into existence without a development history. You get slight changes that are then selected in or out of the gene pool, depending on if they are slightly better or worse than the rest of the population.
However, the people on this planet might only think it was radiation. They might be subject to neoteny. The axolotl is a salamander-like critter that lives in water. Ordinarily it goes through its entire life cycle in water, living, breeding, raising young, etc. If they get injected with iodine then they metamorphose into a different form that is more adapted to living on land. Seems like some distant ancestor of this critter was so adapted, and they lost that stage at some point. But it's still there lurking in their DNA. And a big dose of iodine can bring it out.
So maybe these people are neotonous. At some point in their evolutionary history they had a metamorphosis to adapt to some condition. Maybe it was much wetter part of the year. But they lost this adaptation. Maybe a massive dose of something in the plants will trigger the growth of gills to allow them to live in ponds. There are lots of possibilities.
However, this would not be random. There would be a certain condition that triggered a certain transformation. Possibly incomplete in some individuals who had not got the full set of transformed genes. But it would not occasionally produce some entirely unknown thing. Creatures that were neotonous forms of salamanders would not suddenly grow feathers and wings, for example.
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As several other people have suggested, exposure to radiation is extremely unlikely to do anything except make you sick in a variety of ways, including cell death and cancer among a depressing list of bad.
It is just barely possible that your offspring would grow an extra organ of the same type as an existing one. An extra toe is not an extremely rare thing. This is basically a "counting" error, and could exist without killing the individual. Three kidneys instead of two, and things such as that. When such things do happen they often produce non-functional versions. The extra toe has no muscles or tendons attached. The extra kidney has no connections to the urinary system. So even this is often a significant detriment to the individual.
An entirely new organ is grossly unlikely. Organs don't simply spring into existence without a development history. You get slight changes that are then selected in or out of the gene pool, depending on if they are slightly better or worse than the rest of the population.
However, the people on this planet might only think it was radiation. They might be subject to neoteny. The axolotl is a salamander-like critter that lives in water. Ordinarily it goes through its entire life cycle in water, living, breeding, raising young, etc. If they get injected with iodine then they metamorphose into a different form that is more adapted to living on land. Seems like some distant ancestor of this critter was so adapted, and they lost that stage at some point. But it's still there lurking in their DNA. And a big dose of iodine can bring it out.
So maybe these people are neotonous. At some point in their evolutionary history they had a metamorphosis to adapt to some condition. Maybe it was much wetter part of the year. But they lost this adaptation. Maybe a massive dose of something in the plants will trigger the growth of gills to allow them to live in ponds. There are lots of possibilities.
However, this would not be random. There would be a certain condition that triggered a certain transformation. Possibly incomplete in some individuals who had not got the full set of transformed genes. But it would not occasionally produce some entirely unknown thing. Creatures that were neotonous forms of salamanders would not suddenly grow feathers and wings, for example.
answered Aug 13 at 14:05
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Radiation, no. Too random. But hey, we're not talking about humans here, so let's play with this... in spite of the science-based
tag, probably.
In our own world we have numerous examples of multi-stage life forms that pass through two or more forms after birth to adulthood. Tadpoles grow legs and lose their tails to become frogs. Dragonfly nymphs moult several times, the last time revealing their wings. Eels go through up to 4 different metamorphoses during their life cycle. And so on.
Interestingly, not all animals capable of metamorphosis do so purely on biological timers. Sometimes the transformation only occurs due to environmental factors.
Let's assume that some time in the ancient past of your world the proto-humanoids were just such a creature. They start out as a vaguely ape-shaped creature and remain that way until they encounter the environmental factor that stimulates a gland to produce the hormones that start their transformation to adulthood. The stimulus is fairly common in plants of their world, but over time they evolve to a nearly symbiotic relationship on a particular family of plants. Only by consuming the sap of the plants in that family will their final transformation begin.
As their transformation stimulus becomes more specific they also evolve to become fully fertile during their 'juvenile' stage. They no longer need to transform to continue their species. This new strain is less reliant on the plants because they can breed without them. They continue to develop until the local equivalent of H. Sap. becomes the dominant intelligent species of the planet.
But somewhere in their heads there is a tiny group of cells, a small gland that looks like part of their endocrine system but doesn't seem to have any real purpose. Nobody really knows what it does.
Until one day some explorer finds a small plant with an interesting smell and starts eating it. He falls ill of course, and when the fevers pass he has changed. Maybe he has new parts, maybe some of those old parts that everyone thought were just atavistic left-overs from their evolutionary past become enlarged and fully functional again. Their endocrine balance shifts and so on.
So he gives the plant to someone else and it kills them, because their genetics are too far off the original line. In fact it turns out that only a small percentage of the population actually has suitable genetics to survive the transformation process, he was just one lucky S.O.B.
70% are lacking the genetic sequence that codes for iodothyronine (or whatever hormone you like) production or some other blocker and nothing happens. 20% go through the transformation with varying degrees of success, including the few full transformations.
And the other 10%, unlucky sods that they are, die in screaming agony as the transformation goes out of control and destroys their bodies.
So... 1 in 10 chance of agonizing death.
Et voila, an 'intelligent' species with a reason to do something stupid that's probably going to do nothing but could make them much better than other people. Or kill them horribly.
No radiation required. :)
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Larry Niven invented the Pak, a race that has just such a lifecycle. In that scenario, humans are the offspring of a Pak colony that got stuck at the "breeder" stage, because thallium oxide is too rare on Earth and preventing our transformation to "protector" (human bodies start to transform anyway, then the transformation fails - e.g. blood vessels start to develop arteriosclerosis which is a necessary preparation to the transformation but harmful if the other changes do not happen).
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– toolforger
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that tag add by Renan actually. although its indeed better to be base on real science, but i personally fine with pseudo science answer though as long it make sense or reasonable. :)
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– Li Jun
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@toolforger Yeah, I was trying to hint at protectors without actually bringing them up. The Pak 'virus' was a strange idea that sounds good but doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Thallium Oxide (Tl2O3?) doesn't trigger the change, it's required for the virus to replicate in yams. Fun story though :)
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Radiation, no. Too random. But hey, we're not talking about humans here, so let's play with this... in spite of the science-based
tag, probably.
In our own world we have numerous examples of multi-stage life forms that pass through two or more forms after birth to adulthood. Tadpoles grow legs and lose their tails to become frogs. Dragonfly nymphs moult several times, the last time revealing their wings. Eels go through up to 4 different metamorphoses during their life cycle. And so on.
Interestingly, not all animals capable of metamorphosis do so purely on biological timers. Sometimes the transformation only occurs due to environmental factors.
Let's assume that some time in the ancient past of your world the proto-humanoids were just such a creature. They start out as a vaguely ape-shaped creature and remain that way until they encounter the environmental factor that stimulates a gland to produce the hormones that start their transformation to adulthood. The stimulus is fairly common in plants of their world, but over time they evolve to a nearly symbiotic relationship on a particular family of plants. Only by consuming the sap of the plants in that family will their final transformation begin.
As their transformation stimulus becomes more specific they also evolve to become fully fertile during their 'juvenile' stage. They no longer need to transform to continue their species. This new strain is less reliant on the plants because they can breed without them. They continue to develop until the local equivalent of H. Sap. becomes the dominant intelligent species of the planet.
But somewhere in their heads there is a tiny group of cells, a small gland that looks like part of their endocrine system but doesn't seem to have any real purpose. Nobody really knows what it does.
Until one day some explorer finds a small plant with an interesting smell and starts eating it. He falls ill of course, and when the fevers pass he has changed. Maybe he has new parts, maybe some of those old parts that everyone thought were just atavistic left-overs from their evolutionary past become enlarged and fully functional again. Their endocrine balance shifts and so on.
So he gives the plant to someone else and it kills them, because their genetics are too far off the original line. In fact it turns out that only a small percentage of the population actually has suitable genetics to survive the transformation process, he was just one lucky S.O.B.
70% are lacking the genetic sequence that codes for iodothyronine (or whatever hormone you like) production or some other blocker and nothing happens. 20% go through the transformation with varying degrees of success, including the few full transformations.
And the other 10%, unlucky sods that they are, die in screaming agony as the transformation goes out of control and destroys their bodies.
So... 1 in 10 chance of agonizing death.
Et voila, an 'intelligent' species with a reason to do something stupid that's probably going to do nothing but could make them much better than other people. Or kill them horribly.
No radiation required. :)
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Larry Niven invented the Pak, a race that has just such a lifecycle. In that scenario, humans are the offspring of a Pak colony that got stuck at the "breeder" stage, because thallium oxide is too rare on Earth and preventing our transformation to "protector" (human bodies start to transform anyway, then the transformation fails - e.g. blood vessels start to develop arteriosclerosis which is a necessary preparation to the transformation but harmful if the other changes do not happen).
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– toolforger
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that tag add by Renan actually. although its indeed better to be base on real science, but i personally fine with pseudo science answer though as long it make sense or reasonable. :)
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 12:51
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@toolforger Yeah, I was trying to hint at protectors without actually bringing them up. The Pak 'virus' was a strange idea that sounds good but doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Thallium Oxide (Tl2O3?) doesn't trigger the change, it's required for the virus to replicate in yams. Fun story though :)
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Radiation, no. Too random. But hey, we're not talking about humans here, so let's play with this... in spite of the science-based
tag, probably.
In our own world we have numerous examples of multi-stage life forms that pass through two or more forms after birth to adulthood. Tadpoles grow legs and lose their tails to become frogs. Dragonfly nymphs moult several times, the last time revealing their wings. Eels go through up to 4 different metamorphoses during their life cycle. And so on.
Interestingly, not all animals capable of metamorphosis do so purely on biological timers. Sometimes the transformation only occurs due to environmental factors.
Let's assume that some time in the ancient past of your world the proto-humanoids were just such a creature. They start out as a vaguely ape-shaped creature and remain that way until they encounter the environmental factor that stimulates a gland to produce the hormones that start their transformation to adulthood. The stimulus is fairly common in plants of their world, but over time they evolve to a nearly symbiotic relationship on a particular family of plants. Only by consuming the sap of the plants in that family will their final transformation begin.
As their transformation stimulus becomes more specific they also evolve to become fully fertile during their 'juvenile' stage. They no longer need to transform to continue their species. This new strain is less reliant on the plants because they can breed without them. They continue to develop until the local equivalent of H. Sap. becomes the dominant intelligent species of the planet.
But somewhere in their heads there is a tiny group of cells, a small gland that looks like part of their endocrine system but doesn't seem to have any real purpose. Nobody really knows what it does.
Until one day some explorer finds a small plant with an interesting smell and starts eating it. He falls ill of course, and when the fevers pass he has changed. Maybe he has new parts, maybe some of those old parts that everyone thought were just atavistic left-overs from their evolutionary past become enlarged and fully functional again. Their endocrine balance shifts and so on.
So he gives the plant to someone else and it kills them, because their genetics are too far off the original line. In fact it turns out that only a small percentage of the population actually has suitable genetics to survive the transformation process, he was just one lucky S.O.B.
70% are lacking the genetic sequence that codes for iodothyronine (or whatever hormone you like) production or some other blocker and nothing happens. 20% go through the transformation with varying degrees of success, including the few full transformations.
And the other 10%, unlucky sods that they are, die in screaming agony as the transformation goes out of control and destroys their bodies.
So... 1 in 10 chance of agonizing death.
Et voila, an 'intelligent' species with a reason to do something stupid that's probably going to do nothing but could make them much better than other people. Or kill them horribly.
No radiation required. :)
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Radiation, no. Too random. But hey, we're not talking about humans here, so let's play with this... in spite of the science-based
tag, probably.
In our own world we have numerous examples of multi-stage life forms that pass through two or more forms after birth to adulthood. Tadpoles grow legs and lose their tails to become frogs. Dragonfly nymphs moult several times, the last time revealing their wings. Eels go through up to 4 different metamorphoses during their life cycle. And so on.
Interestingly, not all animals capable of metamorphosis do so purely on biological timers. Sometimes the transformation only occurs due to environmental factors.
Let's assume that some time in the ancient past of your world the proto-humanoids were just such a creature. They start out as a vaguely ape-shaped creature and remain that way until they encounter the environmental factor that stimulates a gland to produce the hormones that start their transformation to adulthood. The stimulus is fairly common in plants of their world, but over time they evolve to a nearly symbiotic relationship on a particular family of plants. Only by consuming the sap of the plants in that family will their final transformation begin.
As their transformation stimulus becomes more specific they also evolve to become fully fertile during their 'juvenile' stage. They no longer need to transform to continue their species. This new strain is less reliant on the plants because they can breed without them. They continue to develop until the local equivalent of H. Sap. becomes the dominant intelligent species of the planet.
But somewhere in their heads there is a tiny group of cells, a small gland that looks like part of their endocrine system but doesn't seem to have any real purpose. Nobody really knows what it does.
Until one day some explorer finds a small plant with an interesting smell and starts eating it. He falls ill of course, and when the fevers pass he has changed. Maybe he has new parts, maybe some of those old parts that everyone thought were just atavistic left-overs from their evolutionary past become enlarged and fully functional again. Their endocrine balance shifts and so on.
So he gives the plant to someone else and it kills them, because their genetics are too far off the original line. In fact it turns out that only a small percentage of the population actually has suitable genetics to survive the transformation process, he was just one lucky S.O.B.
70% are lacking the genetic sequence that codes for iodothyronine (or whatever hormone you like) production or some other blocker and nothing happens. 20% go through the transformation with varying degrees of success, including the few full transformations.
And the other 10%, unlucky sods that they are, die in screaming agony as the transformation goes out of control and destroys their bodies.
So... 1 in 10 chance of agonizing death.
Et voila, an 'intelligent' species with a reason to do something stupid that's probably going to do nothing but could make them much better than other people. Or kill them horribly.
No radiation required. :)
answered Aug 14 at 10:15
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Larry Niven invented the Pak, a race that has just such a lifecycle. In that scenario, humans are the offspring of a Pak colony that got stuck at the "breeder" stage, because thallium oxide is too rare on Earth and preventing our transformation to "protector" (human bodies start to transform anyway, then the transformation fails - e.g. blood vessels start to develop arteriosclerosis which is a necessary preparation to the transformation but harmful if the other changes do not happen).
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– toolforger
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that tag add by Renan actually. although its indeed better to be base on real science, but i personally fine with pseudo science answer though as long it make sense or reasonable. :)
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 12:51
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@toolforger Yeah, I was trying to hint at protectors without actually bringing them up. The Pak 'virus' was a strange idea that sounds good but doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Thallium Oxide (Tl2O3?) doesn't trigger the change, it's required for the virus to replicate in yams. Fun story though :)
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Larry Niven invented the Pak, a race that has just such a lifecycle. In that scenario, humans are the offspring of a Pak colony that got stuck at the "breeder" stage, because thallium oxide is too rare on Earth and preventing our transformation to "protector" (human bodies start to transform anyway, then the transformation fails - e.g. blood vessels start to develop arteriosclerosis which is a necessary preparation to the transformation but harmful if the other changes do not happen).
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– toolforger
Aug 14 at 12:00
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that tag add by Renan actually. although its indeed better to be base on real science, but i personally fine with pseudo science answer though as long it make sense or reasonable. :)
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 12:51
1
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@toolforger Yeah, I was trying to hint at protectors without actually bringing them up. The Pak 'virus' was a strange idea that sounds good but doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Thallium Oxide (Tl2O3?) doesn't trigger the change, it's required for the virus to replicate in yams. Fun story though :)
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– Corey
Aug 14 at 21:51
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Larry Niven invented the Pak, a race that has just such a lifecycle. In that scenario, humans are the offspring of a Pak colony that got stuck at the "breeder" stage, because thallium oxide is too rare on Earth and preventing our transformation to "protector" (human bodies start to transform anyway, then the transformation fails - e.g. blood vessels start to develop arteriosclerosis which is a necessary preparation to the transformation but harmful if the other changes do not happen).
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– toolforger
Aug 14 at 12:00
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Larry Niven invented the Pak, a race that has just such a lifecycle. In that scenario, humans are the offspring of a Pak colony that got stuck at the "breeder" stage, because thallium oxide is too rare on Earth and preventing our transformation to "protector" (human bodies start to transform anyway, then the transformation fails - e.g. blood vessels start to develop arteriosclerosis which is a necessary preparation to the transformation but harmful if the other changes do not happen).
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– toolforger
Aug 14 at 12:00
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that tag add by Renan actually. although its indeed better to be base on real science, but i personally fine with pseudo science answer though as long it make sense or reasonable. :)
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 12:51
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that tag add by Renan actually. although its indeed better to be base on real science, but i personally fine with pseudo science answer though as long it make sense or reasonable. :)
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– Li Jun
Aug 14 at 12:51
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@toolforger Yeah, I was trying to hint at protectors without actually bringing them up. The Pak 'virus' was a strange idea that sounds good but doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Thallium Oxide (Tl2O3?) doesn't trigger the change, it's required for the virus to replicate in yams. Fun story though :)
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– Corey
Aug 14 at 21:51
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@toolforger Yeah, I was trying to hint at protectors without actually bringing them up. The Pak 'virus' was a strange idea that sounds good but doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Thallium Oxide (Tl2O3?) doesn't trigger the change, it's required for the virus to replicate in yams. Fun story though :)
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It is not possible to grow new organs by exposure to radioactivity. Radiation is harmful and in strong enough doses it kills.
It would require something like genetic engineering to grow new organs. In fact, the human beings in your story would need to have acquired something like the ability of the axolotl and other animals, which mostly are reptilian, to grow new or replacement organs when damaged or injured.
This assumes the people in your world will have been modified by genetic engineering at some time in the past. Certainly long enough ago that rituals concerning the growth of new organs have developed and are part of their society.
The plants capable triggering the growing of new organs may contain chemicals or molecular biological agents that cause their bodies to commence new organ growth. Agents of this kind may have been inserted in the plants by genetic engineering.
This scenario assumes there were persons (aliens?? time-travellers??) who possessed genetic engineering technology. They could have modified both the people and plants in your world. Rituals of growing new organs could have been encouraged to exist by them or the rituals may have arisen through natural interaction by the world's people with the plants.
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strangely enough three of answer here actually related in their history or prototype biology :)
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– Li Jun
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It is not possible to grow new organs by exposure to radioactivity. Radiation is harmful and in strong enough doses it kills.
It would require something like genetic engineering to grow new organs. In fact, the human beings in your story would need to have acquired something like the ability of the axolotl and other animals, which mostly are reptilian, to grow new or replacement organs when damaged or injured.
This assumes the people in your world will have been modified by genetic engineering at some time in the past. Certainly long enough ago that rituals concerning the growth of new organs have developed and are part of their society.
The plants capable triggering the growing of new organs may contain chemicals or molecular biological agents that cause their bodies to commence new organ growth. Agents of this kind may have been inserted in the plants by genetic engineering.
This scenario assumes there were persons (aliens?? time-travellers??) who possessed genetic engineering technology. They could have modified both the people and plants in your world. Rituals of growing new organs could have been encouraged to exist by them or the rituals may have arisen through natural interaction by the world's people with the plants.
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strangely enough three of answer here actually related in their history or prototype biology :)
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– Li Jun
Aug 13 at 9:27
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It is not possible to grow new organs by exposure to radioactivity. Radiation is harmful and in strong enough doses it kills.
It would require something like genetic engineering to grow new organs. In fact, the human beings in your story would need to have acquired something like the ability of the axolotl and other animals, which mostly are reptilian, to grow new or replacement organs when damaged or injured.
This assumes the people in your world will have been modified by genetic engineering at some time in the past. Certainly long enough ago that rituals concerning the growth of new organs have developed and are part of their society.
The plants capable triggering the growing of new organs may contain chemicals or molecular biological agents that cause their bodies to commence new organ growth. Agents of this kind may have been inserted in the plants by genetic engineering.
This scenario assumes there were persons (aliens?? time-travellers??) who possessed genetic engineering technology. They could have modified both the people and plants in your world. Rituals of growing new organs could have been encouraged to exist by them or the rituals may have arisen through natural interaction by the world's people with the plants.
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It is not possible to grow new organs by exposure to radioactivity. Radiation is harmful and in strong enough doses it kills.
It would require something like genetic engineering to grow new organs. In fact, the human beings in your story would need to have acquired something like the ability of the axolotl and other animals, which mostly are reptilian, to grow new or replacement organs when damaged or injured.
This assumes the people in your world will have been modified by genetic engineering at some time in the past. Certainly long enough ago that rituals concerning the growth of new organs have developed and are part of their society.
The plants capable triggering the growing of new organs may contain chemicals or molecular biological agents that cause their bodies to commence new organ growth. Agents of this kind may have been inserted in the plants by genetic engineering.
This scenario assumes there were persons (aliens?? time-travellers??) who possessed genetic engineering technology. They could have modified both the people and plants in your world. Rituals of growing new organs could have been encouraged to exist by them or the rituals may have arisen through natural interaction by the world's people with the plants.
answered Aug 13 at 9:06
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strangely enough three of answer here actually related in their history or prototype biology :)
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– Li Jun
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strangely enough three of answer here actually related in their history or prototype biology :)
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– Li Jun
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strangely enough three of answer here actually related in their history or prototype biology :)
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– Li Jun
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strangely enough three of answer here actually related in their history or prototype biology :)
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Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff (the people don't necessary biologically/anatomically like human except they are bipedal before mutation), if exposure or eating radioactive can't grow limbs or new organs.
Since others have already answered the question I thought I could give an interesting alternative!
There are parasitic worms that are known to cause extreme limb mutations in frog species. Such as giving the host many additional legs. This mutation however occurs while the frog transforms from tadpole to mature, so it is unlikely to work on already mature humans.
You can find more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribeiroia
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Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff (the people don't necessary biologically/anatomically like human except they are bipedal before mutation), if exposure or eating radioactive can't grow limbs or new organs.
Since others have already answered the question I thought I could give an interesting alternative!
There are parasitic worms that are known to cause extreme limb mutations in frog species. Such as giving the host many additional legs. This mutation however occurs while the frog transforms from tadpole to mature, so it is unlikely to work on already mature humans.
You can find more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribeiroia
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Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff (the people don't necessary biologically/anatomically like human except they are bipedal before mutation), if exposure or eating radioactive can't grow limbs or new organs.
Since others have already answered the question I thought I could give an interesting alternative!
There are parasitic worms that are known to cause extreme limb mutations in frog species. Such as giving the host many additional legs. This mutation however occurs while the frog transforms from tadpole to mature, so it is unlikely to work on already mature humans.
You can find more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribeiroia
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Feel free to suggest alternative or solution to grow new organs like mutant or through eating other stuff (the people don't necessary biologically/anatomically like human except they are bipedal before mutation), if exposure or eating radioactive can't grow limbs or new organs.
Since others have already answered the question I thought I could give an interesting alternative!
There are parasitic worms that are known to cause extreme limb mutations in frog species. Such as giving the host many additional legs. This mutation however occurs while the frog transforms from tadpole to mature, so it is unlikely to work on already mature humans.
You can find more here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribeiroia
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Why don't you just go with mysterious plant x and skip the explanation? You don't seem to have a background in science or medicine, very hard to pull off something like that from just one answer on se. I guarantee you, even though there are possibilities here from the top of my head, if you go with some explanation you don't really understand, it'll be worse than if you just say "mystery plant that rewrites dna". You will make mistakes that will be noticed by anyone who is familiar with that topic
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– Raditz_35
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FYI, I have made some reading on the topic, and the non rotting corpse is due to the arsenic rich water they drink, and this explains why the process works only in certain valleys. Mercury is not involved at all.
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– L.Dutch♦
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Radioactivity tends to cause radiation sickness and death. Anything else is found in comic books - IRL radioactivity has such a low chance of producing any mutation that's anywhere close to the Hulk, Spiederman and similar, that it's not worth considering. Especially if you want it to happen very widely - say you get one mutation that's "beneficial" (or in that broad area) - that would be a HUGE exception to the normal chain of events. And if you want that to repeat both in "not being deadly" sense and having it work the same way as before, you're past astrologically low odds.
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– VLAZ
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@LiJun it's in the same sphere of a mutation that's not cancer or death. And some comic book mutants do only have an extra arm or something. There is also games like Fallout that deal with the matter and they similarly have some very odd and completely unrealistic mutations (FO3 I think had some guy turn into a tree). Basically anything non-cancer and non-death related can be lumped into the same category - getting an extra arm has such a miniscule chance of occurring that compared with the chance of getting "spider sense" and super strength, the difference is negligible.
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– VLAZ
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@VLAZ The guy who has turned into a tree did not do so as a result of radiation exposure. He was exposed to the FEV.
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– Arkenstein XII
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