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How does “politician” work as a job/career?


How do Northern Ireland's Assembly designations work? What are its advantages and disadvantages?Only one candidate for a $180,000 political job?Is UKIP's posture based fundamentally on a conspiracy theory, and if so how does it work?How does having Dual-Citizenship work; are there exceptions allowing more?How does the Naylor Report proposals improve the NHS?How does a minority government work in the UK?How does the expelling of diplomats work to create pressure on the diplomats' home country?How do elections for multi-member wards work in England?How does “giving way” in the UK parliament work?How does the Letwin Amendment work technically?













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How does being a politician work as a job or career? Obviously when you are in office you get a salary (at least at national level). But what happens when you lose the election, or you are running for office but not yet in it? Do you get anything from your party? Do "campaign contributions" or the local equivalent help to pay your salary?



I get the impression that income distribution of politicians is heavily skewed: national politicians get lots of money, but do local ones get little or nothing, maybe having to fund their hobby out of their own pockets? Is there an exploitative bottom end? With lots of young hopefuls putting in the leg work in the hope of making it big one day (i.e. like the entertainment industries and academia)?



I'm primarily interested in the UK, as that's where I live, but insights from other countries would be welcome too.










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How does being a politician work as a job or career? Obviously when you are in office you get a salary (at least at national level). But what happens when you lose the election, or you are running for office but not yet in it? Do you get anything from your party? Do "campaign contributions" or the local equivalent help to pay your salary?



I get the impression that income distribution of politicians is heavily skewed: national politicians get lots of money, but do local ones get little or nothing, maybe having to fund their hobby out of their own pockets? Is there an exploitative bottom end? With lots of young hopefuls putting in the leg work in the hope of making it big one day (i.e. like the entertainment industries and academia)?



I'm primarily interested in the UK, as that's where I live, but insights from other countries would be welcome too.










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I get the impression that income distribution of politicians is heavily skewed: national politicians get lots of money, but do local ones get little or nothing, maybe having to fund their hobby out of their own pockets? Is there an exploitative bottom end? With lots of young hopefuls putting in the leg work in the hope of making it big one day (i.e. like the entertainment industries and academia)?



I'm primarily interested in the UK, as that's where I live, but insights from other countries would be welcome too.










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How does being a politician work as a job or career? Obviously when you are in office you get a salary (at least at national level). But what happens when you lose the election, or you are running for office but not yet in it? Do you get anything from your party? Do "campaign contributions" or the local equivalent help to pay your salary?



I get the impression that income distribution of politicians is heavily skewed: national politicians get lots of money, but do local ones get little or nothing, maybe having to fund their hobby out of their own pockets? Is there an exploitative bottom end? With lots of young hopefuls putting in the leg work in the hope of making it big one day (i.e. like the entertainment industries and academia)?



I'm primarily interested in the UK, as that's where I live, but insights from other countries would be welcome too.







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Local councillors aren't really paid at all, even if they're successful - they get a small stipend. Councils therefore end up getting mostly run by their permanent officers. Council candidates are almost entirely volunteers. They will get election material and some staff time from their party, but for being a candidate you don't usually receive anything. They can solicit donations, but as you can imagine, there is not a lot of money in local councils.



Elected MPs get paid 80k, which is good but not excessive for a long hours managerial job in central London.



MPs are similarly volunteers, but because of the time commitment for campaigning they tend to be limited to people who can take a few months off at their own expense. So you see a lot of people from freelance/self-employed/small business backgrounds, such as lawyers and management consultants. Some are also "journalists" such as Boris Johnson, who is paid £275k for a weekly column by the Daily Telegraph. Or Seamus Milne, who moved from being a Guardian journalist to Labour Party Director of Communications.



Another category is people who are already party or trade union employees. They usually get to arrange to keep their job while campaigning, on reduced or no duties. MPs have assistants who help with research and constituency work, paid from MP's allowances. This is an excellent job for someone who wishes to become a candidate, as you get to see the job from the inside and meet relevant people.



Party turnover tends to be that of a medium-sized business. Enough to make a comfortable living for the senior members, not enough to pay lots of unsuccessful candidates.



(I believe the same applies for AMs, MSPs, and MEPs.)




Is there an exploitative bottom end? With lots of young hopefuls putting in the leg work in the hope of making it big one day?




Pretty much, although given that the high end isn't really making much either it's more a kind of self-exploitation.






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  • Highly local political jobs still are effectively unpaid, even in the US. My mother is on the local board of supervisors for the township where she lives. Her stipend? $300 per month. I'm not even sure that covers her gas.

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  • @devouredelysium national politicians all have to pay tax at the normal rates; it's only UN employees that get to be globally tax-exempt.

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Every politician is responsible for figuring out how to finance his or her own campaign. I do not have data but my suspicion is that some have mastered this so well that they do not actually want to win. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-to-get-rich-by-running-for-president-134557955.html






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    Local councillors aren't really paid at all, even if they're successful - they get a small stipend. Councils therefore end up getting mostly run by their permanent officers. Council candidates are almost entirely volunteers. They will get election material and some staff time from their party, but for being a candidate you don't usually receive anything. They can solicit donations, but as you can imagine, there is not a lot of money in local councils.



    Elected MPs get paid 80k, which is good but not excessive for a long hours managerial job in central London.



    MPs are similarly volunteers, but because of the time commitment for campaigning they tend to be limited to people who can take a few months off at their own expense. So you see a lot of people from freelance/self-employed/small business backgrounds, such as lawyers and management consultants. Some are also "journalists" such as Boris Johnson, who is paid £275k for a weekly column by the Daily Telegraph. Or Seamus Milne, who moved from being a Guardian journalist to Labour Party Director of Communications.



    Another category is people who are already party or trade union employees. They usually get to arrange to keep their job while campaigning, on reduced or no duties. MPs have assistants who help with research and constituency work, paid from MP's allowances. This is an excellent job for someone who wishes to become a candidate, as you get to see the job from the inside and meet relevant people.



    Party turnover tends to be that of a medium-sized business. Enough to make a comfortable living for the senior members, not enough to pay lots of unsuccessful candidates.



    (I believe the same applies for AMs, MSPs, and MEPs.)




    Is there an exploitative bottom end? With lots of young hopefuls putting in the leg work in the hope of making it big one day?




    Pretty much, although given that the high end isn't really making much either it's more a kind of self-exploitation.






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      Excellent answer. Might be worth adding that MPs do get severance pay if they lose an election, dependent on how long they've been an MP.

      – Steve Melnikoff
      May 6 at 16:30











    • Highly local political jobs still are effectively unpaid, even in the US. My mother is on the local board of supervisors for the township where she lives. Her stipend? $300 per month. I'm not even sure that covers her gas.

      – Draco18s
      May 6 at 17:08











    • 80k -- tax free or not? that makes a difference.

      – devoured elysium
      May 6 at 20:09











    • @devouredelysium national politicians all have to pay tax at the normal rates; it's only UN employees that get to be globally tax-exempt.

      – pjc50
      May 6 at 21:14











    • Taxed and NI'ed - parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/…

      – Ian Bush
      May 6 at 21:14















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    Local councillors aren't really paid at all, even if they're successful - they get a small stipend. Councils therefore end up getting mostly run by their permanent officers. Council candidates are almost entirely volunteers. They will get election material and some staff time from their party, but for being a candidate you don't usually receive anything. They can solicit donations, but as you can imagine, there is not a lot of money in local councils.



    Elected MPs get paid 80k, which is good but not excessive for a long hours managerial job in central London.



    MPs are similarly volunteers, but because of the time commitment for campaigning they tend to be limited to people who can take a few months off at their own expense. So you see a lot of people from freelance/self-employed/small business backgrounds, such as lawyers and management consultants. Some are also "journalists" such as Boris Johnson, who is paid £275k for a weekly column by the Daily Telegraph. Or Seamus Milne, who moved from being a Guardian journalist to Labour Party Director of Communications.



    Another category is people who are already party or trade union employees. They usually get to arrange to keep their job while campaigning, on reduced or no duties. MPs have assistants who help with research and constituency work, paid from MP's allowances. This is an excellent job for someone who wishes to become a candidate, as you get to see the job from the inside and meet relevant people.



    Party turnover tends to be that of a medium-sized business. Enough to make a comfortable living for the senior members, not enough to pay lots of unsuccessful candidates.



    (I believe the same applies for AMs, MSPs, and MEPs.)




    Is there an exploitative bottom end? With lots of young hopefuls putting in the leg work in the hope of making it big one day?




    Pretty much, although given that the high end isn't really making much either it's more a kind of self-exploitation.






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      Excellent answer. Might be worth adding that MPs do get severance pay if they lose an election, dependent on how long they've been an MP.

      – Steve Melnikoff
      May 6 at 16:30











    • Highly local political jobs still are effectively unpaid, even in the US. My mother is on the local board of supervisors for the township where she lives. Her stipend? $300 per month. I'm not even sure that covers her gas.

      – Draco18s
      May 6 at 17:08











    • 80k -- tax free or not? that makes a difference.

      – devoured elysium
      May 6 at 20:09











    • @devouredelysium national politicians all have to pay tax at the normal rates; it's only UN employees that get to be globally tax-exempt.

      – pjc50
      May 6 at 21:14











    • Taxed and NI'ed - parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/…

      – Ian Bush
      May 6 at 21:14













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    Local councillors aren't really paid at all, even if they're successful - they get a small stipend. Councils therefore end up getting mostly run by their permanent officers. Council candidates are almost entirely volunteers. They will get election material and some staff time from their party, but for being a candidate you don't usually receive anything. They can solicit donations, but as you can imagine, there is not a lot of money in local councils.



    Elected MPs get paid 80k, which is good but not excessive for a long hours managerial job in central London.



    MPs are similarly volunteers, but because of the time commitment for campaigning they tend to be limited to people who can take a few months off at their own expense. So you see a lot of people from freelance/self-employed/small business backgrounds, such as lawyers and management consultants. Some are also "journalists" such as Boris Johnson, who is paid £275k for a weekly column by the Daily Telegraph. Or Seamus Milne, who moved from being a Guardian journalist to Labour Party Director of Communications.



    Another category is people who are already party or trade union employees. They usually get to arrange to keep their job while campaigning, on reduced or no duties. MPs have assistants who help with research and constituency work, paid from MP's allowances. This is an excellent job for someone who wishes to become a candidate, as you get to see the job from the inside and meet relevant people.



    Party turnover tends to be that of a medium-sized business. Enough to make a comfortable living for the senior members, not enough to pay lots of unsuccessful candidates.



    (I believe the same applies for AMs, MSPs, and MEPs.)




    Is there an exploitative bottom end? With lots of young hopefuls putting in the leg work in the hope of making it big one day?




    Pretty much, although given that the high end isn't really making much either it's more a kind of self-exploitation.






    share|improve this answer













    Local councillors aren't really paid at all, even if they're successful - they get a small stipend. Councils therefore end up getting mostly run by their permanent officers. Council candidates are almost entirely volunteers. They will get election material and some staff time from their party, but for being a candidate you don't usually receive anything. They can solicit donations, but as you can imagine, there is not a lot of money in local councils.



    Elected MPs get paid 80k, which is good but not excessive for a long hours managerial job in central London.



    MPs are similarly volunteers, but because of the time commitment for campaigning they tend to be limited to people who can take a few months off at their own expense. So you see a lot of people from freelance/self-employed/small business backgrounds, such as lawyers and management consultants. Some are also "journalists" such as Boris Johnson, who is paid £275k for a weekly column by the Daily Telegraph. Or Seamus Milne, who moved from being a Guardian journalist to Labour Party Director of Communications.



    Another category is people who are already party or trade union employees. They usually get to arrange to keep their job while campaigning, on reduced or no duties. MPs have assistants who help with research and constituency work, paid from MP's allowances. This is an excellent job for someone who wishes to become a candidate, as you get to see the job from the inside and meet relevant people.



    Party turnover tends to be that of a medium-sized business. Enough to make a comfortable living for the senior members, not enough to pay lots of unsuccessful candidates.



    (I believe the same applies for AMs, MSPs, and MEPs.)




    Is there an exploitative bottom end? With lots of young hopefuls putting in the leg work in the hope of making it big one day?




    Pretty much, although given that the high end isn't really making much either it's more a kind of self-exploitation.







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      Excellent answer. Might be worth adding that MPs do get severance pay if they lose an election, dependent on how long they've been an MP.

      – Steve Melnikoff
      May 6 at 16:30











    • Highly local political jobs still are effectively unpaid, even in the US. My mother is on the local board of supervisors for the township where she lives. Her stipend? $300 per month. I'm not even sure that covers her gas.

      – Draco18s
      May 6 at 17:08











    • 80k -- tax free or not? that makes a difference.

      – devoured elysium
      May 6 at 20:09











    • @devouredelysium national politicians all have to pay tax at the normal rates; it's only UN employees that get to be globally tax-exempt.

      – pjc50
      May 6 at 21:14











    • Taxed and NI'ed - parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/…

      – Ian Bush
      May 6 at 21:14












    • 1





      Excellent answer. Might be worth adding that MPs do get severance pay if they lose an election, dependent on how long they've been an MP.

      – Steve Melnikoff
      May 6 at 16:30











    • Highly local political jobs still are effectively unpaid, even in the US. My mother is on the local board of supervisors for the township where she lives. Her stipend? $300 per month. I'm not even sure that covers her gas.

      – Draco18s
      May 6 at 17:08











    • 80k -- tax free or not? that makes a difference.

      – devoured elysium
      May 6 at 20:09











    • @devouredelysium national politicians all have to pay tax at the normal rates; it's only UN employees that get to be globally tax-exempt.

      – pjc50
      May 6 at 21:14











    • Taxed and NI'ed - parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/…

      – Ian Bush
      May 6 at 21:14







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    Excellent answer. Might be worth adding that MPs do get severance pay if they lose an election, dependent on how long they've been an MP.

    – Steve Melnikoff
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    Excellent answer. Might be worth adding that MPs do get severance pay if they lose an election, dependent on how long they've been an MP.

    – Steve Melnikoff
    May 6 at 16:30













    Highly local political jobs still are effectively unpaid, even in the US. My mother is on the local board of supervisors for the township where she lives. Her stipend? $300 per month. I'm not even sure that covers her gas.

    – Draco18s
    May 6 at 17:08





    Highly local political jobs still are effectively unpaid, even in the US. My mother is on the local board of supervisors for the township where she lives. Her stipend? $300 per month. I'm not even sure that covers her gas.

    – Draco18s
    May 6 at 17:08













    80k -- tax free or not? that makes a difference.

    – devoured elysium
    May 6 at 20:09





    80k -- tax free or not? that makes a difference.

    – devoured elysium
    May 6 at 20:09













    @devouredelysium national politicians all have to pay tax at the normal rates; it's only UN employees that get to be globally tax-exempt.

    – pjc50
    May 6 at 21:14





    @devouredelysium national politicians all have to pay tax at the normal rates; it's only UN employees that get to be globally tax-exempt.

    – pjc50
    May 6 at 21:14













    Taxed and NI'ed - parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/…

    – Ian Bush
    May 6 at 21:14





    Taxed and NI'ed - parliament.uk/about/faqs/house-of-commons-faqs/…

    – Ian Bush
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    Every politician is responsible for figuring out how to finance his or her own campaign. I do not have data but my suspicion is that some have mastered this so well that they do not actually want to win. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-to-get-rich-by-running-for-president-134557955.html






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      Every politician is responsible for figuring out how to finance his or her own campaign. I do not have data but my suspicion is that some have mastered this so well that they do not actually want to win. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-to-get-rich-by-running-for-president-134557955.html






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        With respect to the United States.



        Every politician is responsible for figuring out how to finance his or her own campaign. I do not have data but my suspicion is that some have mastered this so well that they do not actually want to win. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/how-to-get-rich-by-running-for-president-134557955.html







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