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Why is Arya visibly scared in the library in Game of Thrones S8E3?
Game of Thrones Title SequenceWhy does Deputy Chief Noland always wear a uniform?Who is “The Ghost of Harrenhal”?Why are knights titled “Ser” in Game of Thrones?Jaime's character change in Game of ThronesIs there any evidence to clarify Jon Snow's fate?Why is Arya Stark allowed to do this in the season 6 finale of Game of Thrones?Why can't this character in Game of Thrones have children?Why aren't there Wildfire weapons in Game of Thrones?Why are the books in the Game of Thrones citadel library shelved spine inwards?
In Game of Thrones S8E3, Arya fiercely kills a way lot of wights after which she has to escape from them and enter the library. In the library she seems pretty shaken and also not as brave as she usually is. There were around 10 wights or so in the library all of whom she would be able to kill easily. But she hides and tries to escape from the library unnoticed.
Does something happen between the fight with the wights on the castle walls and the library? This is very out of character and a stark contrast from the person she is out on the walls to one in the library. Do the dead get to her or is she actually scared?
Why does she look shaken and scared, given that she usually isn't (she does possess a weapon while in the library) and isn't this out of character for her?
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In Game of Thrones S8E3, Arya fiercely kills a way lot of wights after which she has to escape from them and enter the library. In the library she seems pretty shaken and also not as brave as she usually is. There were around 10 wights or so in the library all of whom she would be able to kill easily. But she hides and tries to escape from the library unnoticed.
Does something happen between the fight with the wights on the castle walls and the library? This is very out of character and a stark contrast from the person she is out on the walls to one in the library. Do the dead get to her or is she actually scared?
Why does she look shaken and scared, given that she usually isn't (she does possess a weapon while in the library) and isn't this out of character for her?
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I found it interesting from a horror film perspective that Arya is creeping through her own house, in this case Winterfell. (Many horror films involve being trapped in one's own house while fleeing from monsters.)
– DukeZhou
Apr 29 at 18:27
23
It really is a stark contrast
– Chris
2 days ago
1
At this point she wasn't heading to the godswood. This is before the conversation with Melisandre.
– Pace
2 days ago
3
@chucksmash: You could turn HNQ off : scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12393/75131 for example, at least until 19th of may ;)
– Eric Duminil
yesterday
5
@chucksmash Believe it or not, people have legitimate questions about one of the most popular TV shows in recent history, right after a pivotal episode ends. Please don't ascribe negative motivations to genuine questions.
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In Game of Thrones S8E3, Arya fiercely kills a way lot of wights after which she has to escape from them and enter the library. In the library she seems pretty shaken and also not as brave as she usually is. There were around 10 wights or so in the library all of whom she would be able to kill easily. But she hides and tries to escape from the library unnoticed.
Does something happen between the fight with the wights on the castle walls and the library? This is very out of character and a stark contrast from the person she is out on the walls to one in the library. Do the dead get to her or is she actually scared?
Why does she look shaken and scared, given that she usually isn't (she does possess a weapon while in the library) and isn't this out of character for her?
plot-explanation character game-of-thrones
In Game of Thrones S8E3, Arya fiercely kills a way lot of wights after which she has to escape from them and enter the library. In the library she seems pretty shaken and also not as brave as she usually is. There were around 10 wights or so in the library all of whom she would be able to kill easily. But she hides and tries to escape from the library unnoticed.
Does something happen between the fight with the wights on the castle walls and the library? This is very out of character and a stark contrast from the person she is out on the walls to one in the library. Do the dead get to her or is she actually scared?
Why does she look shaken and scared, given that she usually isn't (she does possess a weapon while in the library) and isn't this out of character for her?
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I found it interesting from a horror film perspective that Arya is creeping through her own house, in this case Winterfell. (Many horror films involve being trapped in one's own house while fleeing from monsters.)
– DukeZhou
Apr 29 at 18:27
23
It really is a stark contrast
– Chris
2 days ago
1
At this point she wasn't heading to the godswood. This is before the conversation with Melisandre.
– Pace
2 days ago
3
@chucksmash: You could turn HNQ off : scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12393/75131 for example, at least until 19th of may ;)
– Eric Duminil
yesterday
5
@chucksmash Believe it or not, people have legitimate questions about one of the most popular TV shows in recent history, right after a pivotal episode ends. Please don't ascribe negative motivations to genuine questions.
– Chris Hayes
18 hours ago
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17
I found it interesting from a horror film perspective that Arya is creeping through her own house, in this case Winterfell. (Many horror films involve being trapped in one's own house while fleeing from monsters.)
– DukeZhou
Apr 29 at 18:27
23
It really is a stark contrast
– Chris
2 days ago
1
At this point she wasn't heading to the godswood. This is before the conversation with Melisandre.
– Pace
2 days ago
3
@chucksmash: You could turn HNQ off : scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12393/75131 for example, at least until 19th of may ;)
– Eric Duminil
yesterday
5
@chucksmash Believe it or not, people have legitimate questions about one of the most popular TV shows in recent history, right after a pivotal episode ends. Please don't ascribe negative motivations to genuine questions.
– Chris Hayes
18 hours ago
17
17
I found it interesting from a horror film perspective that Arya is creeping through her own house, in this case Winterfell. (Many horror films involve being trapped in one's own house while fleeing from monsters.)
– DukeZhou
Apr 29 at 18:27
I found it interesting from a horror film perspective that Arya is creeping through her own house, in this case Winterfell. (Many horror films involve being trapped in one's own house while fleeing from monsters.)
– DukeZhou
Apr 29 at 18:27
23
23
It really is a stark contrast
– Chris
2 days ago
It really is a stark contrast
– Chris
2 days ago
1
1
At this point she wasn't heading to the godswood. This is before the conversation with Melisandre.
– Pace
2 days ago
At this point she wasn't heading to the godswood. This is before the conversation with Melisandre.
– Pace
2 days ago
3
3
@chucksmash: You could turn HNQ off : scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12393/75131 for example, at least until 19th of may ;)
– Eric Duminil
yesterday
@chucksmash: You could turn HNQ off : scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12393/75131 for example, at least until 19th of may ;)
– Eric Duminil
yesterday
5
5
@chucksmash Believe it or not, people have legitimate questions about one of the most popular TV shows in recent history, right after a pivotal episode ends. Please don't ascribe negative motivations to genuine questions.
– Chris Hayes
18 hours ago
@chucksmash Believe it or not, people have legitimate questions about one of the most popular TV shows in recent history, right after a pivotal episode ends. Please don't ascribe negative motivations to genuine questions.
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In the Inside the Episode David and Dan (showrunners) say the reason she is more scared here is because she is in a weakened state after getting hit on the head outside. They say at that point she is just trying to survive. She doesn't feel like she is able to take on all of them at once anymore and now is just trying to make it out alive.
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Plus her weapon that allowed her to kill at greater than dead-arm's length was kaput.
– PoloHoleSet
Apr 29 at 21:15
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Additionally, going by the timeline of the later events, this scene happens late into the night. Several hours have gone by since the start of the battle until now (which is just shortly before the final fight and dawn). At this point, she (and everyone else) is beyond exhausted and running on even empty for adrenaline to keep going. Even well-trained living humans can only fight that hard for so long.
– Shauna
Apr 29 at 21:23
Personally, I thought this was a given. Even while watching the episode, I was surprised she could keep going at all after taking a bad hit, then when she went inside and started sneaking I thought "Oh, she's trying to rest up because of that bad hit she just took." It does not take much to slow someone down.
– Aaron
yesterday
She also noticeably seems to want to remain quiet to not attract any more wights.
– Joachim
15 hours ago
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As an out-of-universe reason, this is a great opportunity for the showrunners to remind us how sneaky Arya can be. She is indeed a formidable fighter, but she is also very good at remaining hidden and undetected. We get to see for ourselves that she is capable of evading enemies who are mere feet away, which turns out to be extremely important later in the episode when she
leaps from seemingly nowhere to surprise and destroy the Night King.
Without that setup in the library, this feat would have seemed even more implausible.
Wish I could accept two answers ! Thanks for this. This is the oou explanation regarding the way she reacted to the situation ! And how Arya could be sneaky, kind of like a chekhov's gun
– Anu7
yesterday
From an out-of-universe perspective, I saw it more as: If even Arya is scared, then it's really bad.
– Little Helper
12 hours ago
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One of the differences I noticed between her on the wall and her in the library is sound and surroundings.
On the wall, the battle is going on all around and the dead are swarming in all directions. They swarmed around her as much as toward her.
In the library she is alone and the moment she makes a sound every dead in the room (if not every dead in the entire building) will swarm towards the sound of her fighting. You see this happen when she throws a book to distract them and you see over a dozen dead instantly swarm onto the sound.
She could easily kill a handfull or even a few dozen if she had an environmental advantage, such as being on top of a wall. But dozens swarming her alone from every direction is a very bad idea.
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This. They could've used a little better transition scene instead of it all of a sudden becoming an episode of Scooby Doo.
– Mazura
2 days ago
True !! Thank you for this answer, another perspective, right on !
– Anu7
yesterday
I was thinking "Deep Blue Sea" sharks or Velociraptors. It's a generic scene now for any "humans as prey, hunted by monsters" script.
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From a narrative perspective, it shows that Arya is still human in that she reveals vulnerablity.
This is contrary to the idea of the Faceless Men as implacable, inhuman assassins. (If Jaqen H'ghar were not still mortal, why would he have cared if he was saved or not the first time Arya met him?)
Not to mention Arya isn't a faceless man (or woman). She fled before completing the training because she wasn't able to give up her identity. This gives her something to live for and, consequently, a source for fear.
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As you noted, the change was from outside to inside the castle. Part of the fear could be that Arya had a mental wall built, anticipating the fight to remain outside the walls. In that sense Wintefell was a parallel for Arya. Once the enemy was inside all rational planning was lost and it was merely survival... It should be pointed out that Arya was quiet enough on her feet in the library that it was the dripping blood that alerted the wight.
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There are limits to her power and she's traditionally not stupid. She's not Thor, this is not Avengers and she's weak after so much fight. Even in tip top shape physically you can psychologically be in pieces just looking around at all that death and the never ending numbers of those wights (not your usual zombies, these folks are fast).
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Whilst the directors state in a behind the scenes video that she hit her head and is woozy, I don't see that on-screen. Instead what I see is:
- She no longer has a long-reach weapon. She is armed only with daggers.
- She is no longer in the middle of a noisy battle, in a clear area on a rampart with many other humans to help, instead she's alone inside a claustrophobic wooden library, with torches on the wall.
- The walking dead are not currently aware of her, and she'd like to keep it that way. Should they become aware of her they will all "swarm" at her, as seen later in that scene when they hear the door close and they proceed to chase her in great numbers.
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In someways I also think it adds to Arya's whole arc and wanting to set a specific miraculous, but yet disparaging tone for the nature of the story viewers are left with.
There are very few scenes in the epsiode that were nuanced (Arya, Lyanna, Theon, Melisandre, Tyrion & Sansa, Dany & Jorah, Jon and Viserion, Knight King & Bran Godswood), as I think the point of the non-nuanced scenes were there to help the episode subvert the majority of fantasy elements that were initially set up in both the TV series and books by being more realistic.
But Melisandre's scenes were some of the more nuanced scenes too and her story really revolved around Arya's and making Arya "central" or "whole" as she full-circled the episode's story.
Even in the middle of the battle things become literally clearer when things begin to pertian to Arya such as Beric encouraging the Hound to help Arya, but then they pan (still clear) to Lyanna's Mormont's tragic scenes fighting the White Walker Wight Giant, as her story juxtaposes, but also foreshadow's Arya's episode arc, as Lyanna Mormont has always been a shade of Arya.
Symbolism:
Samwell Tarly: That's what death is, isn't it? Forgetting, being
forgotten. If we forget where we've been and what we've done, we're
not men anymore, just animals...
The interior library scenes also call into the question the importance of the past, immediate (Jon Snow's secret heritage) and far-reaching (Westoros' secret history, the former identity of the Night King, and the true circumstances around his creation), as the over all result of the episode implies that the far-reaching past doesn't matter or spells out doom, as more of it is not revealed and/or nor did the Azor Ahai prophecy come true in terms of meeting certain aspects of it's criteria. So it's very curious that the library is the location of where Arya's fears become more apparent or her confidence is broken.
One also can argue the importance of the interior of Winterfell being a metaphorical "soul" of House Stark and Arya's fear represents the fear that they're all loosing, until she makes her way with Beric's and the Hound's help to a room that feels more 'center', a room with a large fireplace and a "hearth" where she given information to finish her journey seemingly from Melisandre and/or the beyond where her fear is mysteriously once again resolved (IMO there is an element of Gothic story telling with these particular sequences).
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In the Inside the Episode David and Dan (showrunners) say the reason she is more scared here is because she is in a weakened state after getting hit on the head outside. They say at that point she is just trying to survive. She doesn't feel like she is able to take on all of them at once anymore and now is just trying to make it out alive.
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Plus her weapon that allowed her to kill at greater than dead-arm's length was kaput.
– PoloHoleSet
Apr 29 at 21:15
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Additionally, going by the timeline of the later events, this scene happens late into the night. Several hours have gone by since the start of the battle until now (which is just shortly before the final fight and dawn). At this point, she (and everyone else) is beyond exhausted and running on even empty for adrenaline to keep going. Even well-trained living humans can only fight that hard for so long.
– Shauna
Apr 29 at 21:23
Personally, I thought this was a given. Even while watching the episode, I was surprised she could keep going at all after taking a bad hit, then when she went inside and started sneaking I thought "Oh, she's trying to rest up because of that bad hit she just took." It does not take much to slow someone down.
– Aaron
yesterday
She also noticeably seems to want to remain quiet to not attract any more wights.
– Joachim
15 hours ago
add a comment |
In the Inside the Episode David and Dan (showrunners) say the reason she is more scared here is because she is in a weakened state after getting hit on the head outside. They say at that point she is just trying to survive. She doesn't feel like she is able to take on all of them at once anymore and now is just trying to make it out alive.
26
Plus her weapon that allowed her to kill at greater than dead-arm's length was kaput.
– PoloHoleSet
Apr 29 at 21:15
18
Additionally, going by the timeline of the later events, this scene happens late into the night. Several hours have gone by since the start of the battle until now (which is just shortly before the final fight and dawn). At this point, she (and everyone else) is beyond exhausted and running on even empty for adrenaline to keep going. Even well-trained living humans can only fight that hard for so long.
– Shauna
Apr 29 at 21:23
Personally, I thought this was a given. Even while watching the episode, I was surprised she could keep going at all after taking a bad hit, then when she went inside and started sneaking I thought "Oh, she's trying to rest up because of that bad hit she just took." It does not take much to slow someone down.
– Aaron
yesterday
She also noticeably seems to want to remain quiet to not attract any more wights.
– Joachim
15 hours ago
add a comment |
In the Inside the Episode David and Dan (showrunners) say the reason she is more scared here is because she is in a weakened state after getting hit on the head outside. They say at that point she is just trying to survive. She doesn't feel like she is able to take on all of them at once anymore and now is just trying to make it out alive.
In the Inside the Episode David and Dan (showrunners) say the reason she is more scared here is because she is in a weakened state after getting hit on the head outside. They say at that point she is just trying to survive. She doesn't feel like she is able to take on all of them at once anymore and now is just trying to make it out alive.
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Plus her weapon that allowed her to kill at greater than dead-arm's length was kaput.
– PoloHoleSet
Apr 29 at 21:15
18
Additionally, going by the timeline of the later events, this scene happens late into the night. Several hours have gone by since the start of the battle until now (which is just shortly before the final fight and dawn). At this point, she (and everyone else) is beyond exhausted and running on even empty for adrenaline to keep going. Even well-trained living humans can only fight that hard for so long.
– Shauna
Apr 29 at 21:23
Personally, I thought this was a given. Even while watching the episode, I was surprised she could keep going at all after taking a bad hit, then when she went inside and started sneaking I thought "Oh, she's trying to rest up because of that bad hit she just took." It does not take much to slow someone down.
– Aaron
yesterday
She also noticeably seems to want to remain quiet to not attract any more wights.
– Joachim
15 hours ago
add a comment |
26
Plus her weapon that allowed her to kill at greater than dead-arm's length was kaput.
– PoloHoleSet
Apr 29 at 21:15
18
Additionally, going by the timeline of the later events, this scene happens late into the night. Several hours have gone by since the start of the battle until now (which is just shortly before the final fight and dawn). At this point, she (and everyone else) is beyond exhausted and running on even empty for adrenaline to keep going. Even well-trained living humans can only fight that hard for so long.
– Shauna
Apr 29 at 21:23
Personally, I thought this was a given. Even while watching the episode, I was surprised she could keep going at all after taking a bad hit, then when she went inside and started sneaking I thought "Oh, she's trying to rest up because of that bad hit she just took." It does not take much to slow someone down.
– Aaron
yesterday
She also noticeably seems to want to remain quiet to not attract any more wights.
– Joachim
15 hours ago
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Plus her weapon that allowed her to kill at greater than dead-arm's length was kaput.
– PoloHoleSet
Apr 29 at 21:15
Plus her weapon that allowed her to kill at greater than dead-arm's length was kaput.
– PoloHoleSet
Apr 29 at 21:15
18
18
Additionally, going by the timeline of the later events, this scene happens late into the night. Several hours have gone by since the start of the battle until now (which is just shortly before the final fight and dawn). At this point, she (and everyone else) is beyond exhausted and running on even empty for adrenaline to keep going. Even well-trained living humans can only fight that hard for so long.
– Shauna
Apr 29 at 21:23
Additionally, going by the timeline of the later events, this scene happens late into the night. Several hours have gone by since the start of the battle until now (which is just shortly before the final fight and dawn). At this point, she (and everyone else) is beyond exhausted and running on even empty for adrenaline to keep going. Even well-trained living humans can only fight that hard for so long.
– Shauna
Apr 29 at 21:23
Personally, I thought this was a given. Even while watching the episode, I was surprised she could keep going at all after taking a bad hit, then when she went inside and started sneaking I thought "Oh, she's trying to rest up because of that bad hit she just took." It does not take much to slow someone down.
– Aaron
yesterday
Personally, I thought this was a given. Even while watching the episode, I was surprised she could keep going at all after taking a bad hit, then when she went inside and started sneaking I thought "Oh, she's trying to rest up because of that bad hit she just took." It does not take much to slow someone down.
– Aaron
yesterday
She also noticeably seems to want to remain quiet to not attract any more wights.
– Joachim
15 hours ago
She also noticeably seems to want to remain quiet to not attract any more wights.
– Joachim
15 hours ago
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As an out-of-universe reason, this is a great opportunity for the showrunners to remind us how sneaky Arya can be. She is indeed a formidable fighter, but she is also very good at remaining hidden and undetected. We get to see for ourselves that she is capable of evading enemies who are mere feet away, which turns out to be extremely important later in the episode when she
leaps from seemingly nowhere to surprise and destroy the Night King.
Without that setup in the library, this feat would have seemed even more implausible.
Wish I could accept two answers ! Thanks for this. This is the oou explanation regarding the way she reacted to the situation ! And how Arya could be sneaky, kind of like a chekhov's gun
– Anu7
yesterday
From an out-of-universe perspective, I saw it more as: If even Arya is scared, then it's really bad.
– Little Helper
12 hours ago
add a comment |
As an out-of-universe reason, this is a great opportunity for the showrunners to remind us how sneaky Arya can be. She is indeed a formidable fighter, but she is also very good at remaining hidden and undetected. We get to see for ourselves that she is capable of evading enemies who are mere feet away, which turns out to be extremely important later in the episode when she
leaps from seemingly nowhere to surprise and destroy the Night King.
Without that setup in the library, this feat would have seemed even more implausible.
Wish I could accept two answers ! Thanks for this. This is the oou explanation regarding the way she reacted to the situation ! And how Arya could be sneaky, kind of like a chekhov's gun
– Anu7
yesterday
From an out-of-universe perspective, I saw it more as: If even Arya is scared, then it's really bad.
– Little Helper
12 hours ago
add a comment |
As an out-of-universe reason, this is a great opportunity for the showrunners to remind us how sneaky Arya can be. She is indeed a formidable fighter, but she is also very good at remaining hidden and undetected. We get to see for ourselves that she is capable of evading enemies who are mere feet away, which turns out to be extremely important later in the episode when she
leaps from seemingly nowhere to surprise and destroy the Night King.
Without that setup in the library, this feat would have seemed even more implausible.
As an out-of-universe reason, this is a great opportunity for the showrunners to remind us how sneaky Arya can be. She is indeed a formidable fighter, but she is also very good at remaining hidden and undetected. We get to see for ourselves that she is capable of evading enemies who are mere feet away, which turns out to be extremely important later in the episode when she
leaps from seemingly nowhere to surprise and destroy the Night King.
Without that setup in the library, this feat would have seemed even more implausible.
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answered Apr 29 at 18:10
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Wish I could accept two answers ! Thanks for this. This is the oou explanation regarding the way she reacted to the situation ! And how Arya could be sneaky, kind of like a chekhov's gun
– Anu7
yesterday
From an out-of-universe perspective, I saw it more as: If even Arya is scared, then it's really bad.
– Little Helper
12 hours ago
add a comment |
Wish I could accept two answers ! Thanks for this. This is the oou explanation regarding the way she reacted to the situation ! And how Arya could be sneaky, kind of like a chekhov's gun
– Anu7
yesterday
From an out-of-universe perspective, I saw it more as: If even Arya is scared, then it's really bad.
– Little Helper
12 hours ago
Wish I could accept two answers ! Thanks for this. This is the oou explanation regarding the way she reacted to the situation ! And how Arya could be sneaky, kind of like a chekhov's gun
– Anu7
yesterday
Wish I could accept two answers ! Thanks for this. This is the oou explanation regarding the way she reacted to the situation ! And how Arya could be sneaky, kind of like a chekhov's gun
– Anu7
yesterday
From an out-of-universe perspective, I saw it more as: If even Arya is scared, then it's really bad.
– Little Helper
12 hours ago
From an out-of-universe perspective, I saw it more as: If even Arya is scared, then it's really bad.
– Little Helper
12 hours ago
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One of the differences I noticed between her on the wall and her in the library is sound and surroundings.
On the wall, the battle is going on all around and the dead are swarming in all directions. They swarmed around her as much as toward her.
In the library she is alone and the moment she makes a sound every dead in the room (if not every dead in the entire building) will swarm towards the sound of her fighting. You see this happen when she throws a book to distract them and you see over a dozen dead instantly swarm onto the sound.
She could easily kill a handfull or even a few dozen if she had an environmental advantage, such as being on top of a wall. But dozens swarming her alone from every direction is a very bad idea.
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This. They could've used a little better transition scene instead of it all of a sudden becoming an episode of Scooby Doo.
– Mazura
2 days ago
True !! Thank you for this answer, another perspective, right on !
– Anu7
yesterday
I was thinking "Deep Blue Sea" sharks or Velociraptors. It's a generic scene now for any "humans as prey, hunted by monsters" script.
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One of the differences I noticed between her on the wall and her in the library is sound and surroundings.
On the wall, the battle is going on all around and the dead are swarming in all directions. They swarmed around her as much as toward her.
In the library she is alone and the moment she makes a sound every dead in the room (if not every dead in the entire building) will swarm towards the sound of her fighting. You see this happen when she throws a book to distract them and you see over a dozen dead instantly swarm onto the sound.
She could easily kill a handfull or even a few dozen if she had an environmental advantage, such as being on top of a wall. But dozens swarming her alone from every direction is a very bad idea.
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This. They could've used a little better transition scene instead of it all of a sudden becoming an episode of Scooby Doo.
– Mazura
2 days ago
True !! Thank you for this answer, another perspective, right on !
– Anu7
yesterday
I was thinking "Deep Blue Sea" sharks or Velociraptors. It's a generic scene now for any "humans as prey, hunted by monsters" script.
– mckenzm
18 hours ago
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One of the differences I noticed between her on the wall and her in the library is sound and surroundings.
On the wall, the battle is going on all around and the dead are swarming in all directions. They swarmed around her as much as toward her.
In the library she is alone and the moment she makes a sound every dead in the room (if not every dead in the entire building) will swarm towards the sound of her fighting. You see this happen when she throws a book to distract them and you see over a dozen dead instantly swarm onto the sound.
She could easily kill a handfull or even a few dozen if she had an environmental advantage, such as being on top of a wall. But dozens swarming her alone from every direction is a very bad idea.
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One of the differences I noticed between her on the wall and her in the library is sound and surroundings.
On the wall, the battle is going on all around and the dead are swarming in all directions. They swarmed around her as much as toward her.
In the library she is alone and the moment she makes a sound every dead in the room (if not every dead in the entire building) will swarm towards the sound of her fighting. You see this happen when she throws a book to distract them and you see over a dozen dead instantly swarm onto the sound.
She could easily kill a handfull or even a few dozen if she had an environmental advantage, such as being on top of a wall. But dozens swarming her alone from every direction is a very bad idea.
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This. They could've used a little better transition scene instead of it all of a sudden becoming an episode of Scooby Doo.
– Mazura
2 days ago
True !! Thank you for this answer, another perspective, right on !
– Anu7
yesterday
I was thinking "Deep Blue Sea" sharks or Velociraptors. It's a generic scene now for any "humans as prey, hunted by monsters" script.
– mckenzm
18 hours ago
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This. They could've used a little better transition scene instead of it all of a sudden becoming an episode of Scooby Doo.
– Mazura
2 days ago
True !! Thank you for this answer, another perspective, right on !
– Anu7
yesterday
I was thinking "Deep Blue Sea" sharks or Velociraptors. It's a generic scene now for any "humans as prey, hunted by monsters" script.
– mckenzm
18 hours ago
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This. They could've used a little better transition scene instead of it all of a sudden becoming an episode of Scooby Doo.
– Mazura
2 days ago
This. They could've used a little better transition scene instead of it all of a sudden becoming an episode of Scooby Doo.
– Mazura
2 days ago
True !! Thank you for this answer, another perspective, right on !
– Anu7
yesterday
True !! Thank you for this answer, another perspective, right on !
– Anu7
yesterday
I was thinking "Deep Blue Sea" sharks or Velociraptors. It's a generic scene now for any "humans as prey, hunted by monsters" script.
– mckenzm
18 hours ago
I was thinking "Deep Blue Sea" sharks or Velociraptors. It's a generic scene now for any "humans as prey, hunted by monsters" script.
– mckenzm
18 hours ago
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From a narrative perspective, it shows that Arya is still human in that she reveals vulnerablity.
This is contrary to the idea of the Faceless Men as implacable, inhuman assassins. (If Jaqen H'ghar were not still mortal, why would he have cared if he was saved or not the first time Arya met him?)
Not to mention Arya isn't a faceless man (or woman). She fled before completing the training because she wasn't able to give up her identity. This gives her something to live for and, consequently, a source for fear.
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2 days ago
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From a narrative perspective, it shows that Arya is still human in that she reveals vulnerablity.
This is contrary to the idea of the Faceless Men as implacable, inhuman assassins. (If Jaqen H'ghar were not still mortal, why would he have cared if he was saved or not the first time Arya met him?)
Not to mention Arya isn't a faceless man (or woman). She fled before completing the training because she wasn't able to give up her identity. This gives her something to live for and, consequently, a source for fear.
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2 days ago
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From a narrative perspective, it shows that Arya is still human in that she reveals vulnerablity.
This is contrary to the idea of the Faceless Men as implacable, inhuman assassins. (If Jaqen H'ghar were not still mortal, why would he have cared if he was saved or not the first time Arya met him?)
From a narrative perspective, it shows that Arya is still human in that she reveals vulnerablity.
This is contrary to the idea of the Faceless Men as implacable, inhuman assassins. (If Jaqen H'ghar were not still mortal, why would he have cared if he was saved or not the first time Arya met him?)
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Not to mention Arya isn't a faceless man (or woman). She fled before completing the training because she wasn't able to give up her identity. This gives her something to live for and, consequently, a source for fear.
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Not to mention Arya isn't a faceless man (or woman). She fled before completing the training because she wasn't able to give up her identity. This gives her something to live for and, consequently, a source for fear.
– Pace
2 days ago
Not to mention Arya isn't a faceless man (or woman). She fled before completing the training because she wasn't able to give up her identity. This gives her something to live for and, consequently, a source for fear.
– Pace
2 days ago
Not to mention Arya isn't a faceless man (or woman). She fled before completing the training because she wasn't able to give up her identity. This gives her something to live for and, consequently, a source for fear.
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As you noted, the change was from outside to inside the castle. Part of the fear could be that Arya had a mental wall built, anticipating the fight to remain outside the walls. In that sense Wintefell was a parallel for Arya. Once the enemy was inside all rational planning was lost and it was merely survival... It should be pointed out that Arya was quiet enough on her feet in the library that it was the dripping blood that alerted the wight.
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As you noted, the change was from outside to inside the castle. Part of the fear could be that Arya had a mental wall built, anticipating the fight to remain outside the walls. In that sense Wintefell was a parallel for Arya. Once the enemy was inside all rational planning was lost and it was merely survival... It should be pointed out that Arya was quiet enough on her feet in the library that it was the dripping blood that alerted the wight.
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As you noted, the change was from outside to inside the castle. Part of the fear could be that Arya had a mental wall built, anticipating the fight to remain outside the walls. In that sense Wintefell was a parallel for Arya. Once the enemy was inside all rational planning was lost and it was merely survival... It should be pointed out that Arya was quiet enough on her feet in the library that it was the dripping blood that alerted the wight.
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As you noted, the change was from outside to inside the castle. Part of the fear could be that Arya had a mental wall built, anticipating the fight to remain outside the walls. In that sense Wintefell was a parallel for Arya. Once the enemy was inside all rational planning was lost and it was merely survival... It should be pointed out that Arya was quiet enough on her feet in the library that it was the dripping blood that alerted the wight.
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There are limits to her power and she's traditionally not stupid. She's not Thor, this is not Avengers and she's weak after so much fight. Even in tip top shape physically you can psychologically be in pieces just looking around at all that death and the never ending numbers of those wights (not your usual zombies, these folks are fast).
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There are limits to her power and she's traditionally not stupid. She's not Thor, this is not Avengers and she's weak after so much fight. Even in tip top shape physically you can psychologically be in pieces just looking around at all that death and the never ending numbers of those wights (not your usual zombies, these folks are fast).
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There are limits to her power and she's traditionally not stupid. She's not Thor, this is not Avengers and she's weak after so much fight. Even in tip top shape physically you can psychologically be in pieces just looking around at all that death and the never ending numbers of those wights (not your usual zombies, these folks are fast).
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There are limits to her power and she's traditionally not stupid. She's not Thor, this is not Avengers and she's weak after so much fight. Even in tip top shape physically you can psychologically be in pieces just looking around at all that death and the never ending numbers of those wights (not your usual zombies, these folks are fast).
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Whilst the directors state in a behind the scenes video that she hit her head and is woozy, I don't see that on-screen. Instead what I see is:
- She no longer has a long-reach weapon. She is armed only with daggers.
- She is no longer in the middle of a noisy battle, in a clear area on a rampart with many other humans to help, instead she's alone inside a claustrophobic wooden library, with torches on the wall.
- The walking dead are not currently aware of her, and she'd like to keep it that way. Should they become aware of her they will all "swarm" at her, as seen later in that scene when they hear the door close and they proceed to chase her in great numbers.
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Whilst the directors state in a behind the scenes video that she hit her head and is woozy, I don't see that on-screen. Instead what I see is:
- She no longer has a long-reach weapon. She is armed only with daggers.
- She is no longer in the middle of a noisy battle, in a clear area on a rampart with many other humans to help, instead she's alone inside a claustrophobic wooden library, with torches on the wall.
- The walking dead are not currently aware of her, and she'd like to keep it that way. Should they become aware of her they will all "swarm" at her, as seen later in that scene when they hear the door close and they proceed to chase her in great numbers.
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Whilst the directors state in a behind the scenes video that she hit her head and is woozy, I don't see that on-screen. Instead what I see is:
- She no longer has a long-reach weapon. She is armed only with daggers.
- She is no longer in the middle of a noisy battle, in a clear area on a rampart with many other humans to help, instead she's alone inside a claustrophobic wooden library, with torches on the wall.
- The walking dead are not currently aware of her, and she'd like to keep it that way. Should they become aware of her they will all "swarm" at her, as seen later in that scene when they hear the door close and they proceed to chase her in great numbers.
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Whilst the directors state in a behind the scenes video that she hit her head and is woozy, I don't see that on-screen. Instead what I see is:
- She no longer has a long-reach weapon. She is armed only with daggers.
- She is no longer in the middle of a noisy battle, in a clear area on a rampart with many other humans to help, instead she's alone inside a claustrophobic wooden library, with torches on the wall.
- The walking dead are not currently aware of her, and she'd like to keep it that way. Should they become aware of her they will all "swarm" at her, as seen later in that scene when they hear the door close and they proceed to chase her in great numbers.
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In someways I also think it adds to Arya's whole arc and wanting to set a specific miraculous, but yet disparaging tone for the nature of the story viewers are left with.
There are very few scenes in the epsiode that were nuanced (Arya, Lyanna, Theon, Melisandre, Tyrion & Sansa, Dany & Jorah, Jon and Viserion, Knight King & Bran Godswood), as I think the point of the non-nuanced scenes were there to help the episode subvert the majority of fantasy elements that were initially set up in both the TV series and books by being more realistic.
But Melisandre's scenes were some of the more nuanced scenes too and her story really revolved around Arya's and making Arya "central" or "whole" as she full-circled the episode's story.
Even in the middle of the battle things become literally clearer when things begin to pertian to Arya such as Beric encouraging the Hound to help Arya, but then they pan (still clear) to Lyanna's Mormont's tragic scenes fighting the White Walker Wight Giant, as her story juxtaposes, but also foreshadow's Arya's episode arc, as Lyanna Mormont has always been a shade of Arya.
Symbolism:
Samwell Tarly: That's what death is, isn't it? Forgetting, being
forgotten. If we forget where we've been and what we've done, we're
not men anymore, just animals...
The interior library scenes also call into the question the importance of the past, immediate (Jon Snow's secret heritage) and far-reaching (Westoros' secret history, the former identity of the Night King, and the true circumstances around his creation), as the over all result of the episode implies that the far-reaching past doesn't matter or spells out doom, as more of it is not revealed and/or nor did the Azor Ahai prophecy come true in terms of meeting certain aspects of it's criteria. So it's very curious that the library is the location of where Arya's fears become more apparent or her confidence is broken.
One also can argue the importance of the interior of Winterfell being a metaphorical "soul" of House Stark and Arya's fear represents the fear that they're all loosing, until she makes her way with Beric's and the Hound's help to a room that feels more 'center', a room with a large fireplace and a "hearth" where she given information to finish her journey seemingly from Melisandre and/or the beyond where her fear is mysteriously once again resolved (IMO there is an element of Gothic story telling with these particular sequences).
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In someways I also think it adds to Arya's whole arc and wanting to set a specific miraculous, but yet disparaging tone for the nature of the story viewers are left with.
There are very few scenes in the epsiode that were nuanced (Arya, Lyanna, Theon, Melisandre, Tyrion & Sansa, Dany & Jorah, Jon and Viserion, Knight King & Bran Godswood), as I think the point of the non-nuanced scenes were there to help the episode subvert the majority of fantasy elements that were initially set up in both the TV series and books by being more realistic.
But Melisandre's scenes were some of the more nuanced scenes too and her story really revolved around Arya's and making Arya "central" or "whole" as she full-circled the episode's story.
Even in the middle of the battle things become literally clearer when things begin to pertian to Arya such as Beric encouraging the Hound to help Arya, but then they pan (still clear) to Lyanna's Mormont's tragic scenes fighting the White Walker Wight Giant, as her story juxtaposes, but also foreshadow's Arya's episode arc, as Lyanna Mormont has always been a shade of Arya.
Symbolism:
Samwell Tarly: That's what death is, isn't it? Forgetting, being
forgotten. If we forget where we've been and what we've done, we're
not men anymore, just animals...
The interior library scenes also call into the question the importance of the past, immediate (Jon Snow's secret heritage) and far-reaching (Westoros' secret history, the former identity of the Night King, and the true circumstances around his creation), as the over all result of the episode implies that the far-reaching past doesn't matter or spells out doom, as more of it is not revealed and/or nor did the Azor Ahai prophecy come true in terms of meeting certain aspects of it's criteria. So it's very curious that the library is the location of where Arya's fears become more apparent or her confidence is broken.
One also can argue the importance of the interior of Winterfell being a metaphorical "soul" of House Stark and Arya's fear represents the fear that they're all loosing, until she makes her way with Beric's and the Hound's help to a room that feels more 'center', a room with a large fireplace and a "hearth" where she given information to finish her journey seemingly from Melisandre and/or the beyond where her fear is mysteriously once again resolved (IMO there is an element of Gothic story telling with these particular sequences).
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In someways I also think it adds to Arya's whole arc and wanting to set a specific miraculous, but yet disparaging tone for the nature of the story viewers are left with.
There are very few scenes in the epsiode that were nuanced (Arya, Lyanna, Theon, Melisandre, Tyrion & Sansa, Dany & Jorah, Jon and Viserion, Knight King & Bran Godswood), as I think the point of the non-nuanced scenes were there to help the episode subvert the majority of fantasy elements that were initially set up in both the TV series and books by being more realistic.
But Melisandre's scenes were some of the more nuanced scenes too and her story really revolved around Arya's and making Arya "central" or "whole" as she full-circled the episode's story.
Even in the middle of the battle things become literally clearer when things begin to pertian to Arya such as Beric encouraging the Hound to help Arya, but then they pan (still clear) to Lyanna's Mormont's tragic scenes fighting the White Walker Wight Giant, as her story juxtaposes, but also foreshadow's Arya's episode arc, as Lyanna Mormont has always been a shade of Arya.
Symbolism:
Samwell Tarly: That's what death is, isn't it? Forgetting, being
forgotten. If we forget where we've been and what we've done, we're
not men anymore, just animals...
The interior library scenes also call into the question the importance of the past, immediate (Jon Snow's secret heritage) and far-reaching (Westoros' secret history, the former identity of the Night King, and the true circumstances around his creation), as the over all result of the episode implies that the far-reaching past doesn't matter or spells out doom, as more of it is not revealed and/or nor did the Azor Ahai prophecy come true in terms of meeting certain aspects of it's criteria. So it's very curious that the library is the location of where Arya's fears become more apparent or her confidence is broken.
One also can argue the importance of the interior of Winterfell being a metaphorical "soul" of House Stark and Arya's fear represents the fear that they're all loosing, until she makes her way with Beric's and the Hound's help to a room that feels more 'center', a room with a large fireplace and a "hearth" where she given information to finish her journey seemingly from Melisandre and/or the beyond where her fear is mysteriously once again resolved (IMO there is an element of Gothic story telling with these particular sequences).
In someways I also think it adds to Arya's whole arc and wanting to set a specific miraculous, but yet disparaging tone for the nature of the story viewers are left with.
There are very few scenes in the epsiode that were nuanced (Arya, Lyanna, Theon, Melisandre, Tyrion & Sansa, Dany & Jorah, Jon and Viserion, Knight King & Bran Godswood), as I think the point of the non-nuanced scenes were there to help the episode subvert the majority of fantasy elements that were initially set up in both the TV series and books by being more realistic.
But Melisandre's scenes were some of the more nuanced scenes too and her story really revolved around Arya's and making Arya "central" or "whole" as she full-circled the episode's story.
Even in the middle of the battle things become literally clearer when things begin to pertian to Arya such as Beric encouraging the Hound to help Arya, but then they pan (still clear) to Lyanna's Mormont's tragic scenes fighting the White Walker Wight Giant, as her story juxtaposes, but also foreshadow's Arya's episode arc, as Lyanna Mormont has always been a shade of Arya.
Symbolism:
Samwell Tarly: That's what death is, isn't it? Forgetting, being
forgotten. If we forget where we've been and what we've done, we're
not men anymore, just animals...
The interior library scenes also call into the question the importance of the past, immediate (Jon Snow's secret heritage) and far-reaching (Westoros' secret history, the former identity of the Night King, and the true circumstances around his creation), as the over all result of the episode implies that the far-reaching past doesn't matter or spells out doom, as more of it is not revealed and/or nor did the Azor Ahai prophecy come true in terms of meeting certain aspects of it's criteria. So it's very curious that the library is the location of where Arya's fears become more apparent or her confidence is broken.
One also can argue the importance of the interior of Winterfell being a metaphorical "soul" of House Stark and Arya's fear represents the fear that they're all loosing, until she makes her way with Beric's and the Hound's help to a room that feels more 'center', a room with a large fireplace and a "hearth" where she given information to finish her journey seemingly from Melisandre and/or the beyond where her fear is mysteriously once again resolved (IMO there is an element of Gothic story telling with these particular sequences).
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I found it interesting from a horror film perspective that Arya is creeping through her own house, in this case Winterfell. (Many horror films involve being trapped in one's own house while fleeing from monsters.)
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It really is a stark contrast
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At this point she wasn't heading to the godswood. This is before the conversation with Melisandre.
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@chucksmash: You could turn HNQ off : scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12393/75131 for example, at least until 19th of may ;)
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@chucksmash Believe it or not, people have legitimate questions about one of the most popular TV shows in recent history, right after a pivotal episode ends. Please don't ascribe negative motivations to genuine questions.
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