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Why not start BaHaB on Iyar / Marcheshvan 3?
The connection between Tishrei and TevetExtended fasting on 10 AvChabad custom not to have bar mitzva aliya shabbat morningWhy was there a huge concern to assure that Hoshanna Rabbah is not on Shabbat?Is there a problem with Ta'anit Baha"b coinciding with Pesach Sheni?Announcing the New MonthBreaking a fast with meatWhy is an infant firstborn child not simply exempt from the firstborns' fast?Source that the customs in regards to the night after Tisha B'av apply on a year when the fast is pushed offWhere do we first see Elul as a time for repentance?
Shulchan Aruch Orach Chaim 492 discusses the custom some have to fast on Monday, Thursday and Monday (BaHaB) following the months of Nissan and Tishrei. Rama in his gloss notes that the custom is to fast starting from the first available Monday of the following months (i.e. Iyar and Marcheshvan). (I assume he means to exclude where the first Monday of the month is Rosh Chodesh.)
Now, consider a case where Rosh Chodesh Iyar (say) is on Friday and Shabbat. I would have thought that BaHaB would start on the first Monday in Iyar (the third of the month).
However, Mishnah Berurah 492:3 implies that BaHaB actually starts the following Monday (the tenth of the month), writing that on the Shabbat following Rosh Chodesh (in our case the eigth of the month) we bless those who will fast BaHaB, and BaHaB then begins on the following Monday.
Why is this the rule? Is there a problem blessing those who will fast BaHaB on Shabbat Rosh Chodesh, such that the blessing, and thus BaHaB itself must be pushed off by a week? What would the problem be?
minhag passover fast-days sukkot
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Shulchan Aruch Orach Chaim 492 discusses the custom some have to fast on Monday, Thursday and Monday (BaHaB) following the months of Nissan and Tishrei. Rama in his gloss notes that the custom is to fast starting from the first available Monday of the following months (i.e. Iyar and Marcheshvan). (I assume he means to exclude where the first Monday of the month is Rosh Chodesh.)
Now, consider a case where Rosh Chodesh Iyar (say) is on Friday and Shabbat. I would have thought that BaHaB would start on the first Monday in Iyar (the third of the month).
However, Mishnah Berurah 492:3 implies that BaHaB actually starts the following Monday (the tenth of the month), writing that on the Shabbat following Rosh Chodesh (in our case the eigth of the month) we bless those who will fast BaHaB, and BaHaB then begins on the following Monday.
Why is this the rule? Is there a problem blessing those who will fast BaHaB on Shabbat Rosh Chodesh, such that the blessing, and thus BaHaB itself must be pushed off by a week? What would the problem be?
minhag passover fast-days sukkot
asked May 13 at 9:51
Joel KJoel K
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Shulchan Aruch Orach Chaim 492 discusses the custom some have to fast on Monday, Thursday and Monday (BaHaB) following the months of Nissan and Tishrei. Rama in his gloss notes that the custom is to fast starting from the first available Monday of the following months (i.e. Iyar and Marcheshvan). (I assume he means to exclude where the first Monday of the month is Rosh Chodesh.)
Now, consider a case where Rosh Chodesh Iyar (say) is on Friday and Shabbat. I would have thought that BaHaB would start on the first Monday in Iyar (the third of the month).
However, Mishnah Berurah 492:3 implies that BaHaB actually starts the following Monday (the tenth of the month), writing that on the Shabbat following Rosh Chodesh (in our case the eigth of the month) we bless those who will fast BaHaB, and BaHaB then begins on the following Monday.
Why is this the rule? Is there a problem blessing those who will fast BaHaB on Shabbat Rosh Chodesh, such that the blessing, and thus BaHaB itself must be pushed off by a week? What would the problem be?
minhag passover fast-days sukkot
asked May 13 at 9:51
Joel KJoel K
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Shulchan Aruch Orach Chaim 492 discusses the custom some have to fast on Monday, Thursday and Monday (BaHaB) following the months of Nissan and Tishrei. Rama in his gloss notes that the custom is to fast starting from the first available Monday of the following months (i.e. Iyar and Marcheshvan). (I assume he means to exclude where the first Monday of the month is Rosh Chodesh.)
Now, consider a case where Rosh Chodesh Iyar (say) is on Friday and Shabbat. I would have thought that BaHaB would start on the first Monday in Iyar (the third of the month).
However, Mishnah Berurah 492:3 implies that BaHaB actually starts the following Monday (the tenth of the month), writing that on the Shabbat following Rosh Chodesh (in our case the eigth of the month) we bless those who will fast BaHaB, and BaHaB then begins on the following Monday.
Why is this the rule? Is there a problem blessing those who will fast BaHaB on Shabbat Rosh Chodesh, such that the blessing, and thus BaHaB itself must be pushed off by a week? What would the problem be?
minhag passover fast-days sukkot
minhag passover fast-days sukkot
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The לוח דבר בעיתו explains (regarding Rosh Chodesh Iyar 5769) that the reason we don't announce בה"ב on Rosh Chodesh is that:
אין מברכים את המתענים בה"ב בחדש ניסן או בשבת ר"ח, השבת הקרובה, כמו שנאמר (קהלת ז, יד) "בְּיוֹם טוֹבָה - הֱיֵה בְטוֹב", ומברכים בשבת שלאחריה.
I.e. In a time of good fortune, enjoy the good fortune (Koheles 7:14) - so we don't want to mention the fast (which is to atone for the sins caused by the good times) during those days which are happy - i.e. the month of Nissan and the demi-festival of Rosh Chodesh.
As in: Why dampen the atmosphere by mentioning an upcoming fast.
His source seems to be the MaHaril in his chapter on סדר שני וחמישי. (Hat tip: Joel K)
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So then why ever do it on Shabbat? Do it on Sunday or Saturday night
– Double AA♦
May 13 at 15:22
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This seems to come from Maharil hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42570&st=&pgnum=49 (@DoubleAA)
– Joel K
May 13 at 16:53
@DoubleAA - my guess: Because that's when "everybody" is in shul - so we announce/bless it so everybody will know about it.
– Danny Schoemann
May 14 at 7:47
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The לוח דבר בעיתו explains (regarding Rosh Chodesh Iyar 5769) that the reason we don't announce בה"ב on Rosh Chodesh is that:
אין מברכים את המתענים בה"ב בחדש ניסן או בשבת ר"ח, השבת הקרובה, כמו שנאמר (קהלת ז, יד) "בְּיוֹם טוֹבָה - הֱיֵה בְטוֹב", ומברכים בשבת שלאחריה.
I.e. In a time of good fortune, enjoy the good fortune (Koheles 7:14) - so we don't want to mention the fast (which is to atone for the sins caused by the good times) during those days which are happy - i.e. the month of Nissan and the demi-festival of Rosh Chodesh.
As in: Why dampen the atmosphere by mentioning an upcoming fast.
His source seems to be the MaHaril in his chapter on סדר שני וחמישי. (Hat tip: Joel K)
answered May 13 at 14:40
Danny SchoemannDanny Schoemann
35k462169
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So then why ever do it on Shabbat? Do it on Sunday or Saturday night
– Double AA♦
May 13 at 15:22
1
This seems to come from Maharil hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42570&st=&pgnum=49 (@DoubleAA)
– Joel K
May 13 at 16:53
@DoubleAA - my guess: Because that's when "everybody" is in shul - so we announce/bless it so everybody will know about it.
– Danny Schoemann
May 14 at 7:47
add a comment |
The לוח דבר בעיתו explains (regarding Rosh Chodesh Iyar 5769) that the reason we don't announce בה"ב on Rosh Chodesh is that:
אין מברכים את המתענים בה"ב בחדש ניסן או בשבת ר"ח, השבת הקרובה, כמו שנאמר (קהלת ז, יד) "בְּיוֹם טוֹבָה - הֱיֵה בְטוֹב", ומברכים בשבת שלאחריה.
I.e. In a time of good fortune, enjoy the good fortune (Koheles 7:14) - so we don't want to mention the fast (which is to atone for the sins caused by the good times) during those days which are happy - i.e. the month of Nissan and the demi-festival of Rosh Chodesh.
As in: Why dampen the atmosphere by mentioning an upcoming fast.
His source seems to be the MaHaril in his chapter on סדר שני וחמישי. (Hat tip: Joel K)
answered May 13 at 14:40
Danny SchoemannDanny Schoemann
35k462169
1
So then why ever do it on Shabbat? Do it on Sunday or Saturday night
– Double AA♦
May 13 at 15:22
1
This seems to come from Maharil hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42570&st=&pgnum=49 (@DoubleAA)
– Joel K
May 13 at 16:53
@DoubleAA - my guess: Because that's when "everybody" is in shul - so we announce/bless it so everybody will know about it.
– Danny Schoemann
May 14 at 7:47
add a comment |
The לוח דבר בעיתו explains (regarding Rosh Chodesh Iyar 5769) that the reason we don't announce בה"ב on Rosh Chodesh is that:
אין מברכים את המתענים בה"ב בחדש ניסן או בשבת ר"ח, השבת הקרובה, כמו שנאמר (קהלת ז, יד) "בְּיוֹם טוֹבָה - הֱיֵה בְטוֹב", ומברכים בשבת שלאחריה.
I.e. In a time of good fortune, enjoy the good fortune (Koheles 7:14) - so we don't want to mention the fast (which is to atone for the sins caused by the good times) during those days which are happy - i.e. the month of Nissan and the demi-festival of Rosh Chodesh.
As in: Why dampen the atmosphere by mentioning an upcoming fast.
His source seems to be the MaHaril in his chapter on סדר שני וחמישי. (Hat tip: Joel K)
answered May 13 at 14:40
Danny SchoemannDanny Schoemann
35k462169
The לוח דבר בעיתו explains (regarding Rosh Chodesh Iyar 5769) that the reason we don't announce בה"ב on Rosh Chodesh is that:
אין מברכים את המתענים בה"ב בחדש ניסן או בשבת ר"ח, השבת הקרובה, כמו שנאמר (קהלת ז, יד) "בְּיוֹם טוֹבָה - הֱיֵה בְטוֹב", ומברכים בשבת שלאחריה.
I.e. In a time of good fortune, enjoy the good fortune (Koheles 7:14) - so we don't want to mention the fast (which is to atone for the sins caused by the good times) during those days which are happy - i.e. the month of Nissan and the demi-festival of Rosh Chodesh.
As in: Why dampen the atmosphere by mentioning an upcoming fast.
His source seems to be the MaHaril in his chapter on סדר שני וחמישי. (Hat tip: Joel K)
answered May 13 at 14:40
Danny SchoemannDanny Schoemann
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Danny SchoemannDanny Schoemann
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answered May 13 at 14:40
Danny SchoemannDanny Schoemann
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So then why ever do it on Shabbat? Do it on Sunday or Saturday night
– Double AA♦
May 13 at 15:22
1
This seems to come from Maharil hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42570&st=&pgnum=49 (@DoubleAA)
– Joel K
May 13 at 16:53
@DoubleAA - my guess: Because that's when "everybody" is in shul - so we announce/bless it so everybody will know about it.
– Danny Schoemann
May 14 at 7:47
add a comment |
1
So then why ever do it on Shabbat? Do it on Sunday or Saturday night
– Double AA♦
May 13 at 15:22
1
This seems to come from Maharil hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42570&st=&pgnum=49 (@DoubleAA)
– Joel K
May 13 at 16:53
@DoubleAA - my guess: Because that's when "everybody" is in shul - so we announce/bless it so everybody will know about it.
– Danny Schoemann
May 14 at 7:47
1
1
So then why ever do it on Shabbat? Do it on Sunday or Saturday night
– Double AA♦
May 13 at 15:22
So then why ever do it on Shabbat? Do it on Sunday or Saturday night
– Double AA♦
May 13 at 15:22
1
1
This seems to come from Maharil hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42570&st=&pgnum=49 (@DoubleAA)
– Joel K
May 13 at 16:53
This seems to come from Maharil hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=42570&st=&pgnum=49 (@DoubleAA)
– Joel K
May 13 at 16:53
@DoubleAA - my guess: Because that's when "everybody" is in shul - so we announce/bless it so everybody will know about it.
– Danny Schoemann
May 14 at 7:47
@DoubleAA - my guess: Because that's when "everybody" is in shul - so we announce/bless it so everybody will know about it.
– Danny Schoemann
May 14 at 7:47
add a comment |
