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Domain of definition of Laplace Operator on $L^2$


How to construct a scalar differential operator having the same spectrum as a non-scalar differential operator exploiting symmetries?Why is this operator compact?Stokes operator without Dirichlet boundary conditionDomain of $A^1/2$ on $L^2(mathbbT^2)$Characterisation of Sobolev spaces using eigenvalues of laplacianThe inverse of Laplacian operator for different ordersDomain of the Stokes operatorDistribution that vanishes against approximated delta is zero$(ipartial_t)^frac12 e^itDelta f = (-Delta )^frac12 e^itDelta f$?One-parameter unitary group preserving invariant domain of infinitesimal generator













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I'm trying to combine two ways of looking at the Laplacian $Delta$ on $mathbb R^n$ (and on other domains).



Firstly, it is well known that this operator is essentially self-adjoint on $C_c^infty(mathbb R^n)$. Secondly, I know that for $f,g in C^infty_c(mathbb R^n)$ it holds that $langle u, Delta u rangle = langle nabla u, nabla v rangle $, where the inner-product is the $L^2$ one.



Now the domain $mathcal D (Delta) subset L^2$ on which the Laplacian is self-adjoint must contain $C_c^infty (mathbb R^n)$, but I can't seem to find much more information on this. By the previous identity I feel like $Delta u in L^2$ should imply that $u in H^1(mathbb R^n)$, but I can't seem to find a way to prove this. I know it is possible to prove that $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^2(mathbb R^n$) via elliptic regularity etc, but it seems to me like there "should" be an elementary argument for showing $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ (preferably via the non-Fourier-transform characterisation of weak derivatives) but I can't seem to find it anywhere.



Edit: To clarify my question: I am looking for a simple proof of $Delta u = f in L^2$ implies $u in H^1$ where $Delta u$ is defined as the self-adjoint extension of the Laplacian $Delta$ on $C^infty_c$, preferrably one which also works on domains other than $mathbb R^n$.










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I'm trying to combine two ways of looking at the Laplacian $Delta$ on $mathbb R^n$ (and on other domains).



Firstly, it is well known that this operator is essentially self-adjoint on $C_c^infty(mathbb R^n)$. Secondly, I know that for $f,g in C^infty_c(mathbb R^n)$ it holds that $langle u, Delta u rangle = langle nabla u, nabla v rangle $, where the inner-product is the $L^2$ one.



Now the domain $mathcal D (Delta) subset L^2$ on which the Laplacian is self-adjoint must contain $C_c^infty (mathbb R^n)$, but I can't seem to find much more information on this. By the previous identity I feel like $Delta u in L^2$ should imply that $u in H^1(mathbb R^n)$, but I can't seem to find a way to prove this. I know it is possible to prove that $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^2(mathbb R^n$) via elliptic regularity etc, but it seems to me like there "should" be an elementary argument for showing $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ (preferably via the non-Fourier-transform characterisation of weak derivatives) but I can't seem to find it anywhere.



Edit: To clarify my question: I am looking for a simple proof of $Delta u = f in L^2$ implies $u in H^1$ where $Delta u$ is defined as the self-adjoint extension of the Laplacian $Delta$ on $C^infty_c$, preferrably one which also works on domains other than $mathbb R^n$.










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    You want to state the question a little differently for other domains $Omega$, because the Laplacian is typically not essentially self-adjoint on $C^infty_c(Omega)$ in that case.
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    If you want simple proofs, I don't think it's wise to ban the Fourier transform. After taking FTs, your operator becomes a multiplication operator, and for these the questions you ask are extremely easy to analyze.
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I'm trying to combine two ways of looking at the Laplacian $Delta$ on $mathbb R^n$ (and on other domains).



Firstly, it is well known that this operator is essentially self-adjoint on $C_c^infty(mathbb R^n)$. Secondly, I know that for $f,g in C^infty_c(mathbb R^n)$ it holds that $langle u, Delta u rangle = langle nabla u, nabla v rangle $, where the inner-product is the $L^2$ one.



Now the domain $mathcal D (Delta) subset L^2$ on which the Laplacian is self-adjoint must contain $C_c^infty (mathbb R^n)$, but I can't seem to find much more information on this. By the previous identity I feel like $Delta u in L^2$ should imply that $u in H^1(mathbb R^n)$, but I can't seem to find a way to prove this. I know it is possible to prove that $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^2(mathbb R^n$) via elliptic regularity etc, but it seems to me like there "should" be an elementary argument for showing $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ (preferably via the non-Fourier-transform characterisation of weak derivatives) but I can't seem to find it anywhere.



Edit: To clarify my question: I am looking for a simple proof of $Delta u = f in L^2$ implies $u in H^1$ where $Delta u$ is defined as the self-adjoint extension of the Laplacian $Delta$ on $C^infty_c$, preferrably one which also works on domains other than $mathbb R^n$.










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I'm trying to combine two ways of looking at the Laplacian $Delta$ on $mathbb R^n$ (and on other domains).



Firstly, it is well known that this operator is essentially self-adjoint on $C_c^infty(mathbb R^n)$. Secondly, I know that for $f,g in C^infty_c(mathbb R^n)$ it holds that $langle u, Delta u rangle = langle nabla u, nabla v rangle $, where the inner-product is the $L^2$ one.



Now the domain $mathcal D (Delta) subset L^2$ on which the Laplacian is self-adjoint must contain $C_c^infty (mathbb R^n)$, but I can't seem to find much more information on this. By the previous identity I feel like $Delta u in L^2$ should imply that $u in H^1(mathbb R^n)$, but I can't seem to find a way to prove this. I know it is possible to prove that $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^2(mathbb R^n$) via elliptic regularity etc, but it seems to me like there "should" be an elementary argument for showing $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ (preferably via the non-Fourier-transform characterisation of weak derivatives) but I can't seem to find it anywhere.



Edit: To clarify my question: I am looking for a simple proof of $Delta u = f in L^2$ implies $u in H^1$ where $Delta u$ is defined as the self-adjoint extension of the Laplacian $Delta$ on $C^infty_c$, preferrably one which also works on domains other than $mathbb R^n$.







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    You want to state the question a little differently for other domains $Omega$, because the Laplacian is typically not essentially self-adjoint on $C^infty_c(Omega)$ in that case.
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    I was thinking of the (geodesically) complete Riemannian manifold case, where we do have essential self-adjointness.
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    If you want simple proofs, I don't think it's wise to ban the Fourier transform. After taking FTs, your operator becomes a multiplication operator, and for these the questions you ask are extremely easy to analyze.
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    You want to state the question a little differently for other domains $Omega$, because the Laplacian is typically not essentially self-adjoint on $C^infty_c(Omega)$ in that case.
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    If you want simple proofs, I don't think it's wise to ban the Fourier transform. After taking FTs, your operator becomes a multiplication operator, and for these the questions you ask are extremely easy to analyze.
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You want to state the question a little differently for other domains $Omega$, because the Laplacian is typically not essentially self-adjoint on $C^infty_c(Omega)$ in that case.
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I was thinking of the (geodesically) complete Riemannian manifold case, where we do have essential self-adjointness.
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I was thinking of the (geodesically) complete Riemannian manifold case, where we do have essential self-adjointness.
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If you want simple proofs, I don't think it's wise to ban the Fourier transform. After taking FTs, your operator becomes a multiplication operator, and for these the questions you ask are extremely easy to analyze.
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If you want simple proofs, I don't think it's wise to ban the Fourier transform. After taking FTs, your operator becomes a multiplication operator, and for these the questions you ask are extremely easy to analyze.
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Maybe this is the argument you're looking for.



Suppose you know that $Delta$ is essentially self-adjoint on $C^infty_c(mathbbR^n)$. This means $C^infty_c$ is a core for $Delta$, so for any $u in D(Delta)$, there is a sequence $u_n in C^infty_c$ such that $u_n to u$ and $Delta u_n to Delta u$ in $L^2$. In particular, we have
$$|langle Delta(u_n - u_m), u_n - u_m rangle_L^2 | le |Delta u_n - Delta u_m|_L^2 |u_n - u_m|_L^2 to 0$$
using Cauchy-Schwarz. On the other hand, since $u_n, u_m in C^infty_c$, we are perfectly justified in integrating by parts to say that $langle Delta(u_n - u_m), u_n - u_m rangle = |nabla (u_n - u_m)|^2_L^2$. So, since $|u_n - u_m|_L^2 to 0$ and $|nabla (u_n - u_m)|_L^2 to 0$, we have shown that $|u_n - u_m|_H^1 to 0$; in other words, $u_n$ is Cauchy in $H^1$. Now $H^1$ is a Hilbert space, so $u_n$ converges in $H^1$ to some $v in H^1$. But we already know $u_n to u$ in $L^2$, which is weaker than $H^1$ convergence, so we must have $u = v$, thus $u in H^1$.






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    The Laplace operator is essentially self-adjoint: define
    $$
    mathcal D(∆)=uin L^2, ∆uin L^2=H^2.
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    Then for $u,vin mathcal D(∆)$, $langle ∆ u,vrangle=langle u,∆vrangle$: to prove this, consider $lim u_k=u, lim v_k=v text in $H^2$$ with $u_k, v_k$ smooth compactly supported. Then you have
    $$
    langle ∆ u,vrangle=lim_klangle ∆ u,v_krangle=lim_klim_llangle ∆ u_l,v_krangle=lim_klim_llangle u_l,∆v_krangle=lim_klangle u,∆v_krangle=langle u,∆vrangle, textqed.
    $$

    Moreover you define for the symmetric operator $∆$,
    $$
    mathcal D(∆^*)=vin L^2,exists C, forall uin mathcal D(∆),
    vertlangle ∆u,vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2.
    $$

    Then as for all symmetric operators we have $mathcal D(∆^*)supset mathcal D(∆)$. To get self-adjointness, you must prove $mathcal D(∆^*)subset mathcal D(∆)$. Let $vin mathcal D(∆^*)$. Let $u$ be a smooth compactly supported function: then we have
    $$
    vertlangle ∆u,vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2, quad texti.e. quad
    vertlangle u,∆vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2,
    $$

    proving that $∆ vin L^2$ and since $vin L^2$, the ellipticity of the Laplace operator implies that $vin H^2=mathcal D(∆)$. The above argument works for any symmetric elliptic operator.






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      I know the Laplacian is essentially self-adjoint, I was maybe a bit unclear but my question was why its domain of definition is a subset of $H^1$, not why the operator is essentially self-adjoint. The definition of $H^2$ you give isn't the standard one (existence of all weak partial derivatives of order 1 and 2 in $L^2$), I would like to know why $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ with the standard definition.
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      Maybe you might ask yourself what the relation of $H^2$ and $H^1$ is.
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      I think I misunderstood the post above in that I thought it was a definition for $H^2$, whereas the definition was for $mathcal D(Delta)$ in terms of $H^2$. Nevertheless, my question still stands as the point I was asking about is contained in the reference to the ellipticity of the Laplace operator; which is nontrivial on general domains as far as I remember. This is why I would like a simple proof of the weaker statement that the domain is contained in $H^1$.
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      In this situation, essential self-adjointness is exactly that the domain of the unique self-adjoint extension is $H^2$. (More generally, for semi-bounded operators, we can define analogous $H^2$, Friedrichs' extensions, and so on.)
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    Maybe this is the argument you're looking for.



    Suppose you know that $Delta$ is essentially self-adjoint on $C^infty_c(mathbbR^n)$. This means $C^infty_c$ is a core for $Delta$, so for any $u in D(Delta)$, there is a sequence $u_n in C^infty_c$ such that $u_n to u$ and $Delta u_n to Delta u$ in $L^2$. In particular, we have
    $$|langle Delta(u_n - u_m), u_n - u_m rangle_L^2 | le |Delta u_n - Delta u_m|_L^2 |u_n - u_m|_L^2 to 0$$
    using Cauchy-Schwarz. On the other hand, since $u_n, u_m in C^infty_c$, we are perfectly justified in integrating by parts to say that $langle Delta(u_n - u_m), u_n - u_m rangle = |nabla (u_n - u_m)|^2_L^2$. So, since $|u_n - u_m|_L^2 to 0$ and $|nabla (u_n - u_m)|_L^2 to 0$, we have shown that $|u_n - u_m|_H^1 to 0$; in other words, $u_n$ is Cauchy in $H^1$. Now $H^1$ is a Hilbert space, so $u_n$ converges in $H^1$ to some $v in H^1$. But we already know $u_n to u$ in $L^2$, which is weaker than $H^1$ convergence, so we must have $u = v$, thus $u in H^1$.






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      Maybe this is the argument you're looking for.



      Suppose you know that $Delta$ is essentially self-adjoint on $C^infty_c(mathbbR^n)$. This means $C^infty_c$ is a core for $Delta$, so for any $u in D(Delta)$, there is a sequence $u_n in C^infty_c$ such that $u_n to u$ and $Delta u_n to Delta u$ in $L^2$. In particular, we have
      $$|langle Delta(u_n - u_m), u_n - u_m rangle_L^2 | le |Delta u_n - Delta u_m|_L^2 |u_n - u_m|_L^2 to 0$$
      using Cauchy-Schwarz. On the other hand, since $u_n, u_m in C^infty_c$, we are perfectly justified in integrating by parts to say that $langle Delta(u_n - u_m), u_n - u_m rangle = |nabla (u_n - u_m)|^2_L^2$. So, since $|u_n - u_m|_L^2 to 0$ and $|nabla (u_n - u_m)|_L^2 to 0$, we have shown that $|u_n - u_m|_H^1 to 0$; in other words, $u_n$ is Cauchy in $H^1$. Now $H^1$ is a Hilbert space, so $u_n$ converges in $H^1$ to some $v in H^1$. But we already know $u_n to u$ in $L^2$, which is weaker than $H^1$ convergence, so we must have $u = v$, thus $u in H^1$.






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        Maybe this is the argument you're looking for.



        Suppose you know that $Delta$ is essentially self-adjoint on $C^infty_c(mathbbR^n)$. This means $C^infty_c$ is a core for $Delta$, so for any $u in D(Delta)$, there is a sequence $u_n in C^infty_c$ such that $u_n to u$ and $Delta u_n to Delta u$ in $L^2$. In particular, we have
        $$|langle Delta(u_n - u_m), u_n - u_m rangle_L^2 | le |Delta u_n - Delta u_m|_L^2 |u_n - u_m|_L^2 to 0$$
        using Cauchy-Schwarz. On the other hand, since $u_n, u_m in C^infty_c$, we are perfectly justified in integrating by parts to say that $langle Delta(u_n - u_m), u_n - u_m rangle = |nabla (u_n - u_m)|^2_L^2$. So, since $|u_n - u_m|_L^2 to 0$ and $|nabla (u_n - u_m)|_L^2 to 0$, we have shown that $|u_n - u_m|_H^1 to 0$; in other words, $u_n$ is Cauchy in $H^1$. Now $H^1$ is a Hilbert space, so $u_n$ converges in $H^1$ to some $v in H^1$. But we already know $u_n to u$ in $L^2$, which is weaker than $H^1$ convergence, so we must have $u = v$, thus $u in H^1$.






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        Maybe this is the argument you're looking for.



        Suppose you know that $Delta$ is essentially self-adjoint on $C^infty_c(mathbbR^n)$. This means $C^infty_c$ is a core for $Delta$, so for any $u in D(Delta)$, there is a sequence $u_n in C^infty_c$ such that $u_n to u$ and $Delta u_n to Delta u$ in $L^2$. In particular, we have
        $$|langle Delta(u_n - u_m), u_n - u_m rangle_L^2 | le |Delta u_n - Delta u_m|_L^2 |u_n - u_m|_L^2 to 0$$
        using Cauchy-Schwarz. On the other hand, since $u_n, u_m in C^infty_c$, we are perfectly justified in integrating by parts to say that $langle Delta(u_n - u_m), u_n - u_m rangle = |nabla (u_n - u_m)|^2_L^2$. So, since $|u_n - u_m|_L^2 to 0$ and $|nabla (u_n - u_m)|_L^2 to 0$, we have shown that $|u_n - u_m|_H^1 to 0$; in other words, $u_n$ is Cauchy in $H^1$. Now $H^1$ is a Hilbert space, so $u_n$ converges in $H^1$ to some $v in H^1$. But we already know $u_n to u$ in $L^2$, which is weaker than $H^1$ convergence, so we must have $u = v$, thus $u in H^1$.







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            The Laplace operator is essentially self-adjoint: define
            $$
            mathcal D(∆)=uin L^2, ∆uin L^2=H^2.
            $$

            Then for $u,vin mathcal D(∆)$, $langle ∆ u,vrangle=langle u,∆vrangle$: to prove this, consider $lim u_k=u, lim v_k=v text in $H^2$$ with $u_k, v_k$ smooth compactly supported. Then you have
            $$
            langle ∆ u,vrangle=lim_klangle ∆ u,v_krangle=lim_klim_llangle ∆ u_l,v_krangle=lim_klim_llangle u_l,∆v_krangle=lim_klangle u,∆v_krangle=langle u,∆vrangle, textqed.
            $$

            Moreover you define for the symmetric operator $∆$,
            $$
            mathcal D(∆^*)=vin L^2,exists C, forall uin mathcal D(∆),
            vertlangle ∆u,vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2.
            $$

            Then as for all symmetric operators we have $mathcal D(∆^*)supset mathcal D(∆)$. To get self-adjointness, you must prove $mathcal D(∆^*)subset mathcal D(∆)$. Let $vin mathcal D(∆^*)$. Let $u$ be a smooth compactly supported function: then we have
            $$
            vertlangle ∆u,vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2, quad texti.e. quad
            vertlangle u,∆vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2,
            $$

            proving that $∆ vin L^2$ and since $vin L^2$, the ellipticity of the Laplace operator implies that $vin H^2=mathcal D(∆)$. The above argument works for any symmetric elliptic operator.






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            • $begingroup$
              I know the Laplacian is essentially self-adjoint, I was maybe a bit unclear but my question was why its domain of definition is a subset of $H^1$, not why the operator is essentially self-adjoint. The definition of $H^2$ you give isn't the standard one (existence of all weak partial derivatives of order 1 and 2 in $L^2$), I would like to know why $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ with the standard definition.
              $endgroup$
              – Nathanael Schilling
              Jul 11 at 20:26











            • $begingroup$
              Maybe you might ask yourself what the relation of $H^2$ and $H^1$ is.
              $endgroup$
              – Fabian Wirth
              Jul 11 at 20:31










            • $begingroup$
              I think I misunderstood the post above in that I thought it was a definition for $H^2$, whereas the definition was for $mathcal D(Delta)$ in terms of $H^2$. Nevertheless, my question still stands as the point I was asking about is contained in the reference to the ellipticity of the Laplace operator; which is nontrivial on general domains as far as I remember. This is why I would like a simple proof of the weaker statement that the domain is contained in $H^1$.
              $endgroup$
              – Nathanael Schilling
              Jul 11 at 20:49











            • $begingroup$
              In this situation, essential self-adjointness is exactly that the domain of the unique self-adjoint extension is $H^2$. (More generally, for semi-bounded operators, we can define analogous $H^2$, Friedrichs' extensions, and so on.)
              $endgroup$
              – paul garrett
              Jul 12 at 2:07










            • $begingroup$
              @WillieWong Yes, thanks, I did correct that.
              $endgroup$
              – Bazin
              Jul 12 at 19:17















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            $begingroup$

            The Laplace operator is essentially self-adjoint: define
            $$
            mathcal D(∆)=uin L^2, ∆uin L^2=H^2.
            $$

            Then for $u,vin mathcal D(∆)$, $langle ∆ u,vrangle=langle u,∆vrangle$: to prove this, consider $lim u_k=u, lim v_k=v text in $H^2$$ with $u_k, v_k$ smooth compactly supported. Then you have
            $$
            langle ∆ u,vrangle=lim_klangle ∆ u,v_krangle=lim_klim_llangle ∆ u_l,v_krangle=lim_klim_llangle u_l,∆v_krangle=lim_klangle u,∆v_krangle=langle u,∆vrangle, textqed.
            $$

            Moreover you define for the symmetric operator $∆$,
            $$
            mathcal D(∆^*)=vin L^2,exists C, forall uin mathcal D(∆),
            vertlangle ∆u,vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2.
            $$

            Then as for all symmetric operators we have $mathcal D(∆^*)supset mathcal D(∆)$. To get self-adjointness, you must prove $mathcal D(∆^*)subset mathcal D(∆)$. Let $vin mathcal D(∆^*)$. Let $u$ be a smooth compactly supported function: then we have
            $$
            vertlangle ∆u,vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2, quad texti.e. quad
            vertlangle u,∆vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2,
            $$

            proving that $∆ vin L^2$ and since $vin L^2$, the ellipticity of the Laplace operator implies that $vin H^2=mathcal D(∆)$. The above argument works for any symmetric elliptic operator.






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            $endgroup$












            • $begingroup$
              I know the Laplacian is essentially self-adjoint, I was maybe a bit unclear but my question was why its domain of definition is a subset of $H^1$, not why the operator is essentially self-adjoint. The definition of $H^2$ you give isn't the standard one (existence of all weak partial derivatives of order 1 and 2 in $L^2$), I would like to know why $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ with the standard definition.
              $endgroup$
              – Nathanael Schilling
              Jul 11 at 20:26











            • $begingroup$
              Maybe you might ask yourself what the relation of $H^2$ and $H^1$ is.
              $endgroup$
              – Fabian Wirth
              Jul 11 at 20:31










            • $begingroup$
              I think I misunderstood the post above in that I thought it was a definition for $H^2$, whereas the definition was for $mathcal D(Delta)$ in terms of $H^2$. Nevertheless, my question still stands as the point I was asking about is contained in the reference to the ellipticity of the Laplace operator; which is nontrivial on general domains as far as I remember. This is why I would like a simple proof of the weaker statement that the domain is contained in $H^1$.
              $endgroup$
              – Nathanael Schilling
              Jul 11 at 20:49











            • $begingroup$
              In this situation, essential self-adjointness is exactly that the domain of the unique self-adjoint extension is $H^2$. (More generally, for semi-bounded operators, we can define analogous $H^2$, Friedrichs' extensions, and so on.)
              $endgroup$
              – paul garrett
              Jul 12 at 2:07










            • $begingroup$
              @WillieWong Yes, thanks, I did correct that.
              $endgroup$
              – Bazin
              Jul 12 at 19:17













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            $begingroup$

            The Laplace operator is essentially self-adjoint: define
            $$
            mathcal D(∆)=uin L^2, ∆uin L^2=H^2.
            $$

            Then for $u,vin mathcal D(∆)$, $langle ∆ u,vrangle=langle u,∆vrangle$: to prove this, consider $lim u_k=u, lim v_k=v text in $H^2$$ with $u_k, v_k$ smooth compactly supported. Then you have
            $$
            langle ∆ u,vrangle=lim_klangle ∆ u,v_krangle=lim_klim_llangle ∆ u_l,v_krangle=lim_klim_llangle u_l,∆v_krangle=lim_klangle u,∆v_krangle=langle u,∆vrangle, textqed.
            $$

            Moreover you define for the symmetric operator $∆$,
            $$
            mathcal D(∆^*)=vin L^2,exists C, forall uin mathcal D(∆),
            vertlangle ∆u,vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2.
            $$

            Then as for all symmetric operators we have $mathcal D(∆^*)supset mathcal D(∆)$. To get self-adjointness, you must prove $mathcal D(∆^*)subset mathcal D(∆)$. Let $vin mathcal D(∆^*)$. Let $u$ be a smooth compactly supported function: then we have
            $$
            vertlangle ∆u,vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2, quad texti.e. quad
            vertlangle u,∆vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2,
            $$

            proving that $∆ vin L^2$ and since $vin L^2$, the ellipticity of the Laplace operator implies that $vin H^2=mathcal D(∆)$. The above argument works for any symmetric elliptic operator.






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            $endgroup$



            The Laplace operator is essentially self-adjoint: define
            $$
            mathcal D(∆)=uin L^2, ∆uin L^2=H^2.
            $$

            Then for $u,vin mathcal D(∆)$, $langle ∆ u,vrangle=langle u,∆vrangle$: to prove this, consider $lim u_k=u, lim v_k=v text in $H^2$$ with $u_k, v_k$ smooth compactly supported. Then you have
            $$
            langle ∆ u,vrangle=lim_klangle ∆ u,v_krangle=lim_klim_llangle ∆ u_l,v_krangle=lim_klim_llangle u_l,∆v_krangle=lim_klangle u,∆v_krangle=langle u,∆vrangle, textqed.
            $$

            Moreover you define for the symmetric operator $∆$,
            $$
            mathcal D(∆^*)=vin L^2,exists C, forall uin mathcal D(∆),
            vertlangle ∆u,vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2.
            $$

            Then as for all symmetric operators we have $mathcal D(∆^*)supset mathcal D(∆)$. To get self-adjointness, you must prove $mathcal D(∆^*)subset mathcal D(∆)$. Let $vin mathcal D(∆^*)$. Let $u$ be a smooth compactly supported function: then we have
            $$
            vertlangle ∆u,vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2, quad texti.e. quad
            vertlangle u,∆vranglevertle CVert uVert_L^2,
            $$

            proving that $∆ vin L^2$ and since $vin L^2$, the ellipticity of the Laplace operator implies that $vin H^2=mathcal D(∆)$. The above argument works for any symmetric elliptic operator.







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            • $begingroup$
              I know the Laplacian is essentially self-adjoint, I was maybe a bit unclear but my question was why its domain of definition is a subset of $H^1$, not why the operator is essentially self-adjoint. The definition of $H^2$ you give isn't the standard one (existence of all weak partial derivatives of order 1 and 2 in $L^2$), I would like to know why $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ with the standard definition.
              $endgroup$
              – Nathanael Schilling
              Jul 11 at 20:26











            • $begingroup$
              Maybe you might ask yourself what the relation of $H^2$ and $H^1$ is.
              $endgroup$
              – Fabian Wirth
              Jul 11 at 20:31










            • $begingroup$
              I think I misunderstood the post above in that I thought it was a definition for $H^2$, whereas the definition was for $mathcal D(Delta)$ in terms of $H^2$. Nevertheless, my question still stands as the point I was asking about is contained in the reference to the ellipticity of the Laplace operator; which is nontrivial on general domains as far as I remember. This is why I would like a simple proof of the weaker statement that the domain is contained in $H^1$.
              $endgroup$
              – Nathanael Schilling
              Jul 11 at 20:49











            • $begingroup$
              In this situation, essential self-adjointness is exactly that the domain of the unique self-adjoint extension is $H^2$. (More generally, for semi-bounded operators, we can define analogous $H^2$, Friedrichs' extensions, and so on.)
              $endgroup$
              – paul garrett
              Jul 12 at 2:07










            • $begingroup$
              @WillieWong Yes, thanks, I did correct that.
              $endgroup$
              – Bazin
              Jul 12 at 19:17
















            • $begingroup$
              I know the Laplacian is essentially self-adjoint, I was maybe a bit unclear but my question was why its domain of definition is a subset of $H^1$, not why the operator is essentially self-adjoint. The definition of $H^2$ you give isn't the standard one (existence of all weak partial derivatives of order 1 and 2 in $L^2$), I would like to know why $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ with the standard definition.
              $endgroup$
              – Nathanael Schilling
              Jul 11 at 20:26











            • $begingroup$
              Maybe you might ask yourself what the relation of $H^2$ and $H^1$ is.
              $endgroup$
              – Fabian Wirth
              Jul 11 at 20:31










            • $begingroup$
              I think I misunderstood the post above in that I thought it was a definition for $H^2$, whereas the definition was for $mathcal D(Delta)$ in terms of $H^2$. Nevertheless, my question still stands as the point I was asking about is contained in the reference to the ellipticity of the Laplace operator; which is nontrivial on general domains as far as I remember. This is why I would like a simple proof of the weaker statement that the domain is contained in $H^1$.
              $endgroup$
              – Nathanael Schilling
              Jul 11 at 20:49











            • $begingroup$
              In this situation, essential self-adjointness is exactly that the domain of the unique self-adjoint extension is $H^2$. (More generally, for semi-bounded operators, we can define analogous $H^2$, Friedrichs' extensions, and so on.)
              $endgroup$
              – paul garrett
              Jul 12 at 2:07










            • $begingroup$
              @WillieWong Yes, thanks, I did correct that.
              $endgroup$
              – Bazin
              Jul 12 at 19:17















            $begingroup$
            I know the Laplacian is essentially self-adjoint, I was maybe a bit unclear but my question was why its domain of definition is a subset of $H^1$, not why the operator is essentially self-adjoint. The definition of $H^2$ you give isn't the standard one (existence of all weak partial derivatives of order 1 and 2 in $L^2$), I would like to know why $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ with the standard definition.
            $endgroup$
            – Nathanael Schilling
            Jul 11 at 20:26





            $begingroup$
            I know the Laplacian is essentially self-adjoint, I was maybe a bit unclear but my question was why its domain of definition is a subset of $H^1$, not why the operator is essentially self-adjoint. The definition of $H^2$ you give isn't the standard one (existence of all weak partial derivatives of order 1 and 2 in $L^2$), I would like to know why $mathcal D(Delta) subset H^1$ with the standard definition.
            $endgroup$
            – Nathanael Schilling
            Jul 11 at 20:26













            $begingroup$
            Maybe you might ask yourself what the relation of $H^2$ and $H^1$ is.
            $endgroup$
            – Fabian Wirth
            Jul 11 at 20:31




            $begingroup$
            Maybe you might ask yourself what the relation of $H^2$ and $H^1$ is.
            $endgroup$
            – Fabian Wirth
            Jul 11 at 20:31












            $begingroup$
            I think I misunderstood the post above in that I thought it was a definition for $H^2$, whereas the definition was for $mathcal D(Delta)$ in terms of $H^2$. Nevertheless, my question still stands as the point I was asking about is contained in the reference to the ellipticity of the Laplace operator; which is nontrivial on general domains as far as I remember. This is why I would like a simple proof of the weaker statement that the domain is contained in $H^1$.
            $endgroup$
            – Nathanael Schilling
            Jul 11 at 20:49





            $begingroup$
            I think I misunderstood the post above in that I thought it was a definition for $H^2$, whereas the definition was for $mathcal D(Delta)$ in terms of $H^2$. Nevertheless, my question still stands as the point I was asking about is contained in the reference to the ellipticity of the Laplace operator; which is nontrivial on general domains as far as I remember. This is why I would like a simple proof of the weaker statement that the domain is contained in $H^1$.
            $endgroup$
            – Nathanael Schilling
            Jul 11 at 20:49













            $begingroup$
            In this situation, essential self-adjointness is exactly that the domain of the unique self-adjoint extension is $H^2$. (More generally, for semi-bounded operators, we can define analogous $H^2$, Friedrichs' extensions, and so on.)
            $endgroup$
            – paul garrett
            Jul 12 at 2:07




            $begingroup$
            In this situation, essential self-adjointness is exactly that the domain of the unique self-adjoint extension is $H^2$. (More generally, for semi-bounded operators, we can define analogous $H^2$, Friedrichs' extensions, and so on.)
            $endgroup$
            – paul garrett
            Jul 12 at 2:07












            $begingroup$
            @WillieWong Yes, thanks, I did correct that.
            $endgroup$
            – Bazin
            Jul 12 at 19:17




            $begingroup$
            @WillieWong Yes, thanks, I did correct that.
            $endgroup$
            – Bazin
            Jul 12 at 19:17

















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