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How can I shoot a bow using Strength instead of Dexterity?


What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep: Dragon Heist?Are monks able to substitute Dexterity for Strength when making Grapple checks?Can a Monk throw 2 Daggers (1 in each hand) and gain martial arts bonus?Should a monk be allowed to use acrobatics to “shove”?Does Martial Arts Damage Apply to Ranged Attacks with Monk Weapons?Can a monk-barbarian benefit from Reckless Attack & Rage damage if he chooses Dexterity for his attacks?Does a monk with Extra Attack trigger Martial Arts if only one attack is unarmed?Can a lizardfolk monk use their bonus action to make an unarmed strike using their Bite trait?Can a monk use a shortsword for the bonus action attack of Martial Arts?How does a monk's Martial Arts feature modify damage done by magical monk weapons?






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Is there some official mechanic in any class, feat, spell or magic item that allows someone to use strength for ranged attacks? As an example (but opposite) The Monk gets the feature Martial Arts which allows the Monk to use dexterity instead of strength.










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All I could find that might work was one specific weapon from Waterdeep



There is a weapon in the Waterdeep: Dragon Heist module (p. 201) whose description includes (Spoiler Alert!):




Ziraj [the Hunter] ... carries an oversized longbow. This unique weapon can be used only by a Medium or larger creature that has a Strength of 18 or higher. The bow shoots oversized arrows that deal piercing damage equal to 2d6 + the wielder's Strength modifier. Its range is the same as an ordinary longbow.




Presumably this unique longbow would have its remaining stats be the same as other longbows: heavy, and two-handed, and has the ammunition property.



Whether this longbow lets you use Strength for attack or damage rolls is a bit unclear, so I have specifically asked about this in this Q/A: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?



This was the only method I could find to make a bow use Strength.




There are other features which allow you to use a different ability scores modifiers than usual but none of them would work for you. Some example features are listed below:



Finesse weapons let you use either but no bows are finesse weapons, as shown in this table (The only ranged finesse weapon at all is the dart):




When making an attack with a finesse weapon, you use your choice of your Strength or Dexterity modifier for the attack and damage rolls...




The Hexblade Warlock's Hex Warrior feature (XGtE, p. 55-56) would let you use Charisma, as it states:




When you attack with that weapon, you can use your Charisma modifier, instead of Strength or Dexterity, for the attack and damage rolls.




The Monk's Martial Arts feature can only replace strength with dexterity, but not the reverse as it states:




You can use Dexterity instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of your unarmed strikes and monk weapons.




The shillelagh spell is restricted to clubs and quarterstaves but states:




You can use your spellcasting ability instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of melee attacks using that weapon...





If you cannot get this NPC's unique longbow, your best alternative is probably just using javelins; out of all the thrown weapons that can use Strength, they allow you to attack from the farthest away (30/120).






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There is nothing official that allows Str to be used with bow attacks.



None of the officially available sources (that I'm aware of) have a class feature, feat, spell, magic item or other effect that lets you add your Str modifier to bow attacks instead of Dex. If you want to be able to do this, you'll have to homebrew something like a bow with the finesse property.



The closest thing to what you're asking would be Thrown Weapons, which use the same modifier for their ranged attack as they do for their normal one (which is generally Str in the case of thrown melee weapons).



Since there's nothing to cite, the reason for this not being an available option is unclear, but if I were to hazard a guess I'd say that such a feature would potentially trivialise combat; a max-str melee class with a Longbow would be able to attack either in melee or at range at full capacity with no penalties.



As Medix pointed out, there is the NPC-owned Oversized Longbow from Waterdeep, but the discussion on that is undecided on whether you use Dex or Str for the attack roll since it only says to add your modifier to the damage.






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    Even the Waterdeep bow doesn't let you use Str for attack rolls, only adding your Str modifier to damage rolls. (followup Q&A about that here: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?). And as @thedarkwanderer points out, it's not clear that you shouldn't still be adding your dex mod to the damage roll because it's still a bow you're proficient with. +1 for game balance.
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    @PeterCordes I agree with the first point but the description of the bow specifically states it deals damage equal to 2d6 + Strength modifier. No other ability is mentioned and it doesn't say to apply any effects that would normally apply to a bow attack.
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    Weapons don't normally state that they do 2d6 + Dex Modifier amount of damage, they just state that it does 2d6 amount of damage. So if this bow states that it does 2d6 + Str Modifier amount of damage, then it stands to reason that it overwrites exactly that and nothing else, therefore doing (2d6 + StrMod) + DexMod amount of damage instead of (2d6) + DexMod amount of damage.
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Not a bow, but Thrown Weapons will work



As John Clifford mentions above, Thrown Weapons use the Strength modifier for attack rolls due to being melee weapons. While they're normally no bows (as requested by the question title), they do have the property of inherently being ranged attacks (which is in line with the question itself). This unique property of being melee weapons but a ranged attack is the most canon way to make use of Strength for ranged attacking.



As of a good option for such a thrown weapon, you could use any boomerang-styled item. With Princes of the Apocalypse, the Storm Boomerang is added and will likely work for you. In addition, D&D Beyond features a well-balanced "homebrew" mundane Boomerang that your GM will be likely to accept (although you might spend a while debating as you try to balance the missing stats). As mentioned in the comments, using Bonded Weapons can also be an option.



(Note: Strictly speaking, the mundane Boomerang mentioned above exists solely due to D&D Beyond's technical limitations, as a mundane weapon for the Storm Boomerang to be a magic version of; it is not intended as homebrew. However, that should have little impact on its usability.)






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All I could find that might work was one specific weapon from Waterdeep



There is a weapon in the Waterdeep: Dragon Heist module (p. 201) whose description includes (Spoiler Alert!):




Ziraj [the Hunter] ... carries an oversized longbow. This unique weapon can be used only by a Medium or larger creature that has a Strength of 18 or higher. The bow shoots oversized arrows that deal piercing damage equal to 2d6 + the wielder's Strength modifier. Its range is the same as an ordinary longbow.




Presumably this unique longbow would have its remaining stats be the same as other longbows: heavy, and two-handed, and has the ammunition property.



Whether this longbow lets you use Strength for attack or damage rolls is a bit unclear, so I have specifically asked about this in this Q/A: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?



This was the only method I could find to make a bow use Strength.




There are other features which allow you to use a different ability scores modifiers than usual but none of them would work for you. Some example features are listed below:



Finesse weapons let you use either but no bows are finesse weapons, as shown in this table (The only ranged finesse weapon at all is the dart):




When making an attack with a finesse weapon, you use your choice of your Strength or Dexterity modifier for the attack and damage rolls...




The Hexblade Warlock's Hex Warrior feature (XGtE, p. 55-56) would let you use Charisma, as it states:




When you attack with that weapon, you can use your Charisma modifier, instead of Strength or Dexterity, for the attack and damage rolls.




The Monk's Martial Arts feature can only replace strength with dexterity, but not the reverse as it states:




You can use Dexterity instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of your unarmed strikes and monk weapons.




The shillelagh spell is restricted to clubs and quarterstaves but states:




You can use your spellcasting ability instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of melee attacks using that weapon...





If you cannot get this NPC's unique longbow, your best alternative is probably just using javelins; out of all the thrown weapons that can use Strength, they allow you to attack from the farthest away (30/120).






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All I could find that might work was one specific weapon from Waterdeep



There is a weapon in the Waterdeep: Dragon Heist module (p. 201) whose description includes (Spoiler Alert!):




Ziraj [the Hunter] ... carries an oversized longbow. This unique weapon can be used only by a Medium or larger creature that has a Strength of 18 or higher. The bow shoots oversized arrows that deal piercing damage equal to 2d6 + the wielder's Strength modifier. Its range is the same as an ordinary longbow.




Presumably this unique longbow would have its remaining stats be the same as other longbows: heavy, and two-handed, and has the ammunition property.



Whether this longbow lets you use Strength for attack or damage rolls is a bit unclear, so I have specifically asked about this in this Q/A: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?



This was the only method I could find to make a bow use Strength.




There are other features which allow you to use a different ability scores modifiers than usual but none of them would work for you. Some example features are listed below:



Finesse weapons let you use either but no bows are finesse weapons, as shown in this table (The only ranged finesse weapon at all is the dart):




When making an attack with a finesse weapon, you use your choice of your Strength or Dexterity modifier for the attack and damage rolls...




The Hexblade Warlock's Hex Warrior feature (XGtE, p. 55-56) would let you use Charisma, as it states:




When you attack with that weapon, you can use your Charisma modifier, instead of Strength or Dexterity, for the attack and damage rolls.




The Monk's Martial Arts feature can only replace strength with dexterity, but not the reverse as it states:




You can use Dexterity instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of your unarmed strikes and monk weapons.




The shillelagh spell is restricted to clubs and quarterstaves but states:




You can use your spellcasting ability instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of melee attacks using that weapon...





If you cannot get this NPC's unique longbow, your best alternative is probably just using javelins; out of all the thrown weapons that can use Strength, they allow you to attack from the farthest away (30/120).






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All I could find that might work was one specific weapon from Waterdeep



There is a weapon in the Waterdeep: Dragon Heist module (p. 201) whose description includes (Spoiler Alert!):




Ziraj [the Hunter] ... carries an oversized longbow. This unique weapon can be used only by a Medium or larger creature that has a Strength of 18 or higher. The bow shoots oversized arrows that deal piercing damage equal to 2d6 + the wielder's Strength modifier. Its range is the same as an ordinary longbow.




Presumably this unique longbow would have its remaining stats be the same as other longbows: heavy, and two-handed, and has the ammunition property.



Whether this longbow lets you use Strength for attack or damage rolls is a bit unclear, so I have specifically asked about this in this Q/A: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?



This was the only method I could find to make a bow use Strength.




There are other features which allow you to use a different ability scores modifiers than usual but none of them would work for you. Some example features are listed below:



Finesse weapons let you use either but no bows are finesse weapons, as shown in this table (The only ranged finesse weapon at all is the dart):




When making an attack with a finesse weapon, you use your choice of your Strength or Dexterity modifier for the attack and damage rolls...




The Hexblade Warlock's Hex Warrior feature (XGtE, p. 55-56) would let you use Charisma, as it states:




When you attack with that weapon, you can use your Charisma modifier, instead of Strength or Dexterity, for the attack and damage rolls.




The Monk's Martial Arts feature can only replace strength with dexterity, but not the reverse as it states:




You can use Dexterity instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of your unarmed strikes and monk weapons.




The shillelagh spell is restricted to clubs and quarterstaves but states:




You can use your spellcasting ability instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of melee attacks using that weapon...





If you cannot get this NPC's unique longbow, your best alternative is probably just using javelins; out of all the thrown weapons that can use Strength, they allow you to attack from the farthest away (30/120).






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All I could find that might work was one specific weapon from Waterdeep



There is a weapon in the Waterdeep: Dragon Heist module (p. 201) whose description includes (Spoiler Alert!):




Ziraj [the Hunter] ... carries an oversized longbow. This unique weapon can be used only by a Medium or larger creature that has a Strength of 18 or higher. The bow shoots oversized arrows that deal piercing damage equal to 2d6 + the wielder's Strength modifier. Its range is the same as an ordinary longbow.




Presumably this unique longbow would have its remaining stats be the same as other longbows: heavy, and two-handed, and has the ammunition property.



Whether this longbow lets you use Strength for attack or damage rolls is a bit unclear, so I have specifically asked about this in this Q/A: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?



This was the only method I could find to make a bow use Strength.




There are other features which allow you to use a different ability scores modifiers than usual but none of them would work for you. Some example features are listed below:



Finesse weapons let you use either but no bows are finesse weapons, as shown in this table (The only ranged finesse weapon at all is the dart):




When making an attack with a finesse weapon, you use your choice of your Strength or Dexterity modifier for the attack and damage rolls...




The Hexblade Warlock's Hex Warrior feature (XGtE, p. 55-56) would let you use Charisma, as it states:




When you attack with that weapon, you can use your Charisma modifier, instead of Strength or Dexterity, for the attack and damage rolls.




The Monk's Martial Arts feature can only replace strength with dexterity, but not the reverse as it states:




You can use Dexterity instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of your unarmed strikes and monk weapons.




The shillelagh spell is restricted to clubs and quarterstaves but states:




You can use your spellcasting ability instead of Strength for the attack and damage rolls of melee attacks using that weapon...





If you cannot get this NPC's unique longbow, your best alternative is probably just using javelins; out of all the thrown weapons that can use Strength, they allow you to attack from the farthest away (30/120).







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There is nothing official that allows Str to be used with bow attacks.



None of the officially available sources (that I'm aware of) have a class feature, feat, spell, magic item or other effect that lets you add your Str modifier to bow attacks instead of Dex. If you want to be able to do this, you'll have to homebrew something like a bow with the finesse property.



The closest thing to what you're asking would be Thrown Weapons, which use the same modifier for their ranged attack as they do for their normal one (which is generally Str in the case of thrown melee weapons).



Since there's nothing to cite, the reason for this not being an available option is unclear, but if I were to hazard a guess I'd say that such a feature would potentially trivialise combat; a max-str melee class with a Longbow would be able to attack either in melee or at range at full capacity with no penalties.



As Medix pointed out, there is the NPC-owned Oversized Longbow from Waterdeep, but the discussion on that is undecided on whether you use Dex or Str for the attack roll since it only says to add your modifier to the damage.






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    Even the Waterdeep bow doesn't let you use Str for attack rolls, only adding your Str modifier to damage rolls. (followup Q&A about that here: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?). And as @thedarkwanderer points out, it's not clear that you shouldn't still be adding your dex mod to the damage roll because it's still a bow you're proficient with. +1 for game balance.
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    @PeterCordes it is perfectly clear for that weapon that you don't add both modifiers to the damage roll if you look at how the NPC wielding it deals damage.
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    @PeterCordes I agree with the first point but the description of the bow specifically states it deals damage equal to 2d6 + Strength modifier. No other ability is mentioned and it doesn't say to apply any effects that would normally apply to a bow attack.
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    Weapons don't normally state that they do 2d6 + Dex Modifier amount of damage, they just state that it does 2d6 amount of damage. So if this bow states that it does 2d6 + Str Modifier amount of damage, then it stands to reason that it overwrites exactly that and nothing else, therefore doing (2d6 + StrMod) + DexMod amount of damage instead of (2d6) + DexMod amount of damage.
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    @JohnHamilton I see your point, but if that were how it were supposed to be interpreted, the NPC stat block would have a higher damage value.
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There is nothing official that allows Str to be used with bow attacks.



None of the officially available sources (that I'm aware of) have a class feature, feat, spell, magic item or other effect that lets you add your Str modifier to bow attacks instead of Dex. If you want to be able to do this, you'll have to homebrew something like a bow with the finesse property.



The closest thing to what you're asking would be Thrown Weapons, which use the same modifier for their ranged attack as they do for their normal one (which is generally Str in the case of thrown melee weapons).



Since there's nothing to cite, the reason for this not being an available option is unclear, but if I were to hazard a guess I'd say that such a feature would potentially trivialise combat; a max-str melee class with a Longbow would be able to attack either in melee or at range at full capacity with no penalties.



As Medix pointed out, there is the NPC-owned Oversized Longbow from Waterdeep, but the discussion on that is undecided on whether you use Dex or Str for the attack roll since it only says to add your modifier to the damage.






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    Even the Waterdeep bow doesn't let you use Str for attack rolls, only adding your Str modifier to damage rolls. (followup Q&A about that here: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?). And as @thedarkwanderer points out, it's not clear that you shouldn't still be adding your dex mod to the damage roll because it's still a bow you're proficient with. +1 for game balance.
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    @PeterCordes it is perfectly clear for that weapon that you don't add both modifiers to the damage roll if you look at how the NPC wielding it deals damage.
    $endgroup$
    – illustro
    Aug 15 at 10:49










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    @PeterCordes I agree with the first point but the description of the bow specifically states it deals damage equal to 2d6 + Strength modifier. No other ability is mentioned and it doesn't say to apply any effects that would normally apply to a bow attack.
    $endgroup$
    – John Clifford
    Aug 15 at 10:51







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    Weapons don't normally state that they do 2d6 + Dex Modifier amount of damage, they just state that it does 2d6 amount of damage. So if this bow states that it does 2d6 + Str Modifier amount of damage, then it stands to reason that it overwrites exactly that and nothing else, therefore doing (2d6 + StrMod) + DexMod amount of damage instead of (2d6) + DexMod amount of damage.
    $endgroup$
    – John Hamilton
    Aug 15 at 12:34






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    @JohnHamilton I see your point, but if that were how it were supposed to be interpreted, the NPC stat block would have a higher damage value.
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There is nothing official that allows Str to be used with bow attacks.



None of the officially available sources (that I'm aware of) have a class feature, feat, spell, magic item or other effect that lets you add your Str modifier to bow attacks instead of Dex. If you want to be able to do this, you'll have to homebrew something like a bow with the finesse property.



The closest thing to what you're asking would be Thrown Weapons, which use the same modifier for their ranged attack as they do for their normal one (which is generally Str in the case of thrown melee weapons).



Since there's nothing to cite, the reason for this not being an available option is unclear, but if I were to hazard a guess I'd say that such a feature would potentially trivialise combat; a max-str melee class with a Longbow would be able to attack either in melee or at range at full capacity with no penalties.



As Medix pointed out, there is the NPC-owned Oversized Longbow from Waterdeep, but the discussion on that is undecided on whether you use Dex or Str for the attack roll since it only says to add your modifier to the damage.






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There is nothing official that allows Str to be used with bow attacks.



None of the officially available sources (that I'm aware of) have a class feature, feat, spell, magic item or other effect that lets you add your Str modifier to bow attacks instead of Dex. If you want to be able to do this, you'll have to homebrew something like a bow with the finesse property.



The closest thing to what you're asking would be Thrown Weapons, which use the same modifier for their ranged attack as they do for their normal one (which is generally Str in the case of thrown melee weapons).



Since there's nothing to cite, the reason for this not being an available option is unclear, but if I were to hazard a guess I'd say that such a feature would potentially trivialise combat; a max-str melee class with a Longbow would be able to attack either in melee or at range at full capacity with no penalties.



As Medix pointed out, there is the NPC-owned Oversized Longbow from Waterdeep, but the discussion on that is undecided on whether you use Dex or Str for the attack roll since it only says to add your modifier to the damage.







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    Even the Waterdeep bow doesn't let you use Str for attack rolls, only adding your Str modifier to damage rolls. (followup Q&A about that here: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?). And as @thedarkwanderer points out, it's not clear that you shouldn't still be adding your dex mod to the damage roll because it's still a bow you're proficient with. +1 for game balance.
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    @PeterCordes it is perfectly clear for that weapon that you don't add both modifiers to the damage roll if you look at how the NPC wielding it deals damage.
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    – illustro
    Aug 15 at 10:49










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    @PeterCordes I agree with the first point but the description of the bow specifically states it deals damage equal to 2d6 + Strength modifier. No other ability is mentioned and it doesn't say to apply any effects that would normally apply to a bow attack.
    $endgroup$
    – John Clifford
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    $begingroup$
    Weapons don't normally state that they do 2d6 + Dex Modifier amount of damage, they just state that it does 2d6 amount of damage. So if this bow states that it does 2d6 + Str Modifier amount of damage, then it stands to reason that it overwrites exactly that and nothing else, therefore doing (2d6 + StrMod) + DexMod amount of damage instead of (2d6) + DexMod amount of damage.
    $endgroup$
    – John Hamilton
    Aug 15 at 12:34






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    @JohnHamilton I see your point, but if that were how it were supposed to be interpreted, the NPC stat block would have a higher damage value.
    $endgroup$
    – John Clifford
    Aug 15 at 12:39












  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Even the Waterdeep bow doesn't let you use Str for attack rolls, only adding your Str modifier to damage rolls. (followup Q&A about that here: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?). And as @thedarkwanderer points out, it's not clear that you shouldn't still be adding your dex mod to the damage roll because it's still a bow you're proficient with. +1 for game balance.
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    – Peter Cordes
    Aug 15 at 6:00











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    @PeterCordes it is perfectly clear for that weapon that you don't add both modifiers to the damage roll if you look at how the NPC wielding it deals damage.
    $endgroup$
    – illustro
    Aug 15 at 10:49










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    @PeterCordes I agree with the first point but the description of the bow specifically states it deals damage equal to 2d6 + Strength modifier. No other ability is mentioned and it doesn't say to apply any effects that would normally apply to a bow attack.
    $endgroup$
    – John Clifford
    Aug 15 at 10:51







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    $begingroup$
    Weapons don't normally state that they do 2d6 + Dex Modifier amount of damage, they just state that it does 2d6 amount of damage. So if this bow states that it does 2d6 + Str Modifier amount of damage, then it stands to reason that it overwrites exactly that and nothing else, therefore doing (2d6 + StrMod) + DexMod amount of damage instead of (2d6) + DexMod amount of damage.
    $endgroup$
    – John Hamilton
    Aug 15 at 12:34






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    @JohnHamilton I see your point, but if that were how it were supposed to be interpreted, the NPC stat block would have a higher damage value.
    $endgroup$
    – John Clifford
    Aug 15 at 12:39







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Even the Waterdeep bow doesn't let you use Str for attack rolls, only adding your Str modifier to damage rolls. (followup Q&A about that here: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?). And as @thedarkwanderer points out, it's not clear that you shouldn't still be adding your dex mod to the damage roll because it's still a bow you're proficient with. +1 for game balance.
$endgroup$
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Even the Waterdeep bow doesn't let you use Str for attack rolls, only adding your Str modifier to damage rolls. (followup Q&A about that here: What modifiers are added to the attack and damage rolls of this unique longbow from Waterdeep?). And as @thedarkwanderer points out, it's not clear that you shouldn't still be adding your dex mod to the damage roll because it's still a bow you're proficient with. +1 for game balance.
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@PeterCordes it is perfectly clear for that weapon that you don't add both modifiers to the damage roll if you look at how the NPC wielding it deals damage.
$endgroup$
– illustro
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@PeterCordes it is perfectly clear for that weapon that you don't add both modifiers to the damage roll if you look at how the NPC wielding it deals damage.
$endgroup$
– illustro
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@PeterCordes I agree with the first point but the description of the bow specifically states it deals damage equal to 2d6 + Strength modifier. No other ability is mentioned and it doesn't say to apply any effects that would normally apply to a bow attack.
$endgroup$
– John Clifford
Aug 15 at 10:51





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@PeterCordes I agree with the first point but the description of the bow specifically states it deals damage equal to 2d6 + Strength modifier. No other ability is mentioned and it doesn't say to apply any effects that would normally apply to a bow attack.
$endgroup$
– John Clifford
Aug 15 at 10:51





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Weapons don't normally state that they do 2d6 + Dex Modifier amount of damage, they just state that it does 2d6 amount of damage. So if this bow states that it does 2d6 + Str Modifier amount of damage, then it stands to reason that it overwrites exactly that and nothing else, therefore doing (2d6 + StrMod) + DexMod amount of damage instead of (2d6) + DexMod amount of damage.
$endgroup$
– John Hamilton
Aug 15 at 12:34




$begingroup$
Weapons don't normally state that they do 2d6 + Dex Modifier amount of damage, they just state that it does 2d6 amount of damage. So if this bow states that it does 2d6 + Str Modifier amount of damage, then it stands to reason that it overwrites exactly that and nothing else, therefore doing (2d6 + StrMod) + DexMod amount of damage instead of (2d6) + DexMod amount of damage.
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– John Hamilton
Aug 15 at 12:34




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@JohnHamilton I see your point, but if that were how it were supposed to be interpreted, the NPC stat block would have a higher damage value.
$endgroup$
– John Clifford
Aug 15 at 12:39




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@JohnHamilton I see your point, but if that were how it were supposed to be interpreted, the NPC stat block would have a higher damage value.
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– John Clifford
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Not a bow, but Thrown Weapons will work



As John Clifford mentions above, Thrown Weapons use the Strength modifier for attack rolls due to being melee weapons. While they're normally no bows (as requested by the question title), they do have the property of inherently being ranged attacks (which is in line with the question itself). This unique property of being melee weapons but a ranged attack is the most canon way to make use of Strength for ranged attacking.



As of a good option for such a thrown weapon, you could use any boomerang-styled item. With Princes of the Apocalypse, the Storm Boomerang is added and will likely work for you. In addition, D&D Beyond features a well-balanced "homebrew" mundane Boomerang that your GM will be likely to accept (although you might spend a while debating as you try to balance the missing stats). As mentioned in the comments, using Bonded Weapons can also be an option.



(Note: Strictly speaking, the mundane Boomerang mentioned above exists solely due to D&D Beyond's technical limitations, as a mundane weapon for the Storm Boomerang to be a magic version of; it is not intended as homebrew. However, that should have little impact on its usability.)






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    One of my party also considered using the 'bonded weapon' feature of the Eldritch Knight fighter archetype to achieve a similar effect. His character would have been a dwarf with throwing axes using a bonus action to summon the axe back to his hand each turn.
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Not a bow, but Thrown Weapons will work



As John Clifford mentions above, Thrown Weapons use the Strength modifier for attack rolls due to being melee weapons. While they're normally no bows (as requested by the question title), they do have the property of inherently being ranged attacks (which is in line with the question itself). This unique property of being melee weapons but a ranged attack is the most canon way to make use of Strength for ranged attacking.



As of a good option for such a thrown weapon, you could use any boomerang-styled item. With Princes of the Apocalypse, the Storm Boomerang is added and will likely work for you. In addition, D&D Beyond features a well-balanced "homebrew" mundane Boomerang that your GM will be likely to accept (although you might spend a while debating as you try to balance the missing stats). As mentioned in the comments, using Bonded Weapons can also be an option.



(Note: Strictly speaking, the mundane Boomerang mentioned above exists solely due to D&D Beyond's technical limitations, as a mundane weapon for the Storm Boomerang to be a magic version of; it is not intended as homebrew. However, that should have little impact on its usability.)






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    $begingroup$
    One of my party also considered using the 'bonded weapon' feature of the Eldritch Knight fighter archetype to achieve a similar effect. His character would have been a dwarf with throwing axes using a bonus action to summon the axe back to his hand each turn.
    $endgroup$
    – WillW
    Aug 16 at 9:31










  • $begingroup$
    @WillW Good idea. Added.
    $endgroup$
    – Egor Hans
    Aug 17 at 7:49










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    @V2Blast Accounted for that. I assume the term "technical item" is fine with you?
    $endgroup$
    – Egor Hans
    2 days ago










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    I've tried to clarify the phrasing a bit; please check to make sure it matches your intent there. :)
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$begingroup$

Not a bow, but Thrown Weapons will work



As John Clifford mentions above, Thrown Weapons use the Strength modifier for attack rolls due to being melee weapons. While they're normally no bows (as requested by the question title), they do have the property of inherently being ranged attacks (which is in line with the question itself). This unique property of being melee weapons but a ranged attack is the most canon way to make use of Strength for ranged attacking.



As of a good option for such a thrown weapon, you could use any boomerang-styled item. With Princes of the Apocalypse, the Storm Boomerang is added and will likely work for you. In addition, D&D Beyond features a well-balanced "homebrew" mundane Boomerang that your GM will be likely to accept (although you might spend a while debating as you try to balance the missing stats). As mentioned in the comments, using Bonded Weapons can also be an option.



(Note: Strictly speaking, the mundane Boomerang mentioned above exists solely due to D&D Beyond's technical limitations, as a mundane weapon for the Storm Boomerang to be a magic version of; it is not intended as homebrew. However, that should have little impact on its usability.)






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$endgroup$



Not a bow, but Thrown Weapons will work



As John Clifford mentions above, Thrown Weapons use the Strength modifier for attack rolls due to being melee weapons. While they're normally no bows (as requested by the question title), they do have the property of inherently being ranged attacks (which is in line with the question itself). This unique property of being melee weapons but a ranged attack is the most canon way to make use of Strength for ranged attacking.



As of a good option for such a thrown weapon, you could use any boomerang-styled item. With Princes of the Apocalypse, the Storm Boomerang is added and will likely work for you. In addition, D&D Beyond features a well-balanced "homebrew" mundane Boomerang that your GM will be likely to accept (although you might spend a while debating as you try to balance the missing stats). As mentioned in the comments, using Bonded Weapons can also be an option.



(Note: Strictly speaking, the mundane Boomerang mentioned above exists solely due to D&D Beyond's technical limitations, as a mundane weapon for the Storm Boomerang to be a magic version of; it is not intended as homebrew. However, that should have little impact on its usability.)







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    One of my party also considered using the 'bonded weapon' feature of the Eldritch Knight fighter archetype to achieve a similar effect. His character would have been a dwarf with throwing axes using a bonus action to summon the axe back to his hand each turn.
    $endgroup$
    – WillW
    Aug 16 at 9:31










  • $begingroup$
    @WillW Good idea. Added.
    $endgroup$
    – Egor Hans
    Aug 17 at 7:49










  • $begingroup$
    @V2Blast Accounted for that. I assume the term "technical item" is fine with you?
    $endgroup$
    – Egor Hans
    2 days ago










  • $begingroup$
    I've tried to clarify the phrasing a bit; please check to make sure it matches your intent there. :)
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    yesterday












  • 1




    $begingroup$
    One of my party also considered using the 'bonded weapon' feature of the Eldritch Knight fighter archetype to achieve a similar effect. His character would have been a dwarf with throwing axes using a bonus action to summon the axe back to his hand each turn.
    $endgroup$
    – WillW
    Aug 16 at 9:31










  • $begingroup$
    @WillW Good idea. Added.
    $endgroup$
    – Egor Hans
    Aug 17 at 7:49










  • $begingroup$
    @V2Blast Accounted for that. I assume the term "technical item" is fine with you?
    $endgroup$
    – Egor Hans
    2 days ago










  • $begingroup$
    I've tried to clarify the phrasing a bit; please check to make sure it matches your intent there. :)
    $endgroup$
    – V2Blast
    yesterday







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1




$begingroup$
One of my party also considered using the 'bonded weapon' feature of the Eldritch Knight fighter archetype to achieve a similar effect. His character would have been a dwarf with throwing axes using a bonus action to summon the axe back to his hand each turn.
$endgroup$
– WillW
Aug 16 at 9:31




$begingroup$
One of my party also considered using the 'bonded weapon' feature of the Eldritch Knight fighter archetype to achieve a similar effect. His character would have been a dwarf with throwing axes using a bonus action to summon the axe back to his hand each turn.
$endgroup$
– WillW
Aug 16 at 9:31












$begingroup$
@WillW Good idea. Added.
$endgroup$
– Egor Hans
Aug 17 at 7:49




$begingroup$
@WillW Good idea. Added.
$endgroup$
– Egor Hans
Aug 17 at 7:49












$begingroup$
@V2Blast Accounted for that. I assume the term "technical item" is fine with you?
$endgroup$
– Egor Hans
2 days ago




$begingroup$
@V2Blast Accounted for that. I assume the term "technical item" is fine with you?
$endgroup$
– Egor Hans
2 days ago












$begingroup$
I've tried to clarify the phrasing a bit; please check to make sure it matches your intent there. :)
$endgroup$
– V2Blast
yesterday




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I've tried to clarify the phrasing a bit; please check to make sure it matches your intent there. :)
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