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Double-nominative constructions and “von”
What kind of construction is “eine Tasse Kaffee”?German Accents: Austrian, German, or Swiss Standard GermanAre “wenn” and “falls” really always interchangeable in case of a conditional?Correct way to write out a date range in GermanWhat are some (interesting) exceptions to the German grammar rules?Preposition with dativUsing multiple sub ordinating conjunction in a sentenceWhen to use German Auxilary Verbs“Zahlenmäßig” in the context of the sentence providedExamples of mediopassive verb constructionsMultiple passive constructions?
When do you use von and when do you use a double-nominative construction, such as discussed at this linked question, when talking about the amount of something? Compare, for example,
ein Glas Wasser
and
tausende von Büchern
standard-german
edited Apr 25 at 12:14
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When do you use von and when do you use a double-nominative construction, such as discussed at this linked question, when talking about the amount of something? Compare, for example,
ein Glas Wasser
and
tausende von Büchern
standard-german
edited Apr 25 at 12:14
Björn Friedrich
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asked Apr 25 at 11:13
AaronAaron
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There is also an archaic construct "Ein Kästchen von Ebenholz" - where "von" was used in the sense of "aus"
– tofro
Apr 25 at 12:07
Compare English:thousands of books,a group of people, butone glass of water?
– yunzen
Apr 25 at 14:22
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When do you use von and when do you use a double-nominative construction, such as discussed at this linked question, when talking about the amount of something? Compare, for example,
ein Glas Wasser
and
tausende von Büchern
standard-german
edited Apr 25 at 12:14
Björn Friedrich
6,49111035
asked Apr 25 at 11:13
AaronAaron
69217
When do you use von and when do you use a double-nominative construction, such as discussed at this linked question, when talking about the amount of something? Compare, for example,
ein Glas Wasser
and
tausende von Büchern
standard-german
standard-german
edited Apr 25 at 12:14
Björn Friedrich
6,49111035
asked Apr 25 at 11:13
AaronAaron
69217
edited Apr 25 at 12:14
Björn Friedrich
6,49111035
asked Apr 25 at 11:13
AaronAaron
69217
edited Apr 25 at 12:14
Björn Friedrich
6,49111035
edited Apr 25 at 12:14
Björn Friedrich
6,49111035
edited Apr 25 at 12:14
Björn Friedrich
6,49111035
6,49111035
asked Apr 25 at 11:13
AaronAaron
69217
asked Apr 25 at 11:13
AaronAaron
69217
asked Apr 25 at 11:13
AaronAaron
69217
69217
2
There is also an archaic construct "Ein Kästchen von Ebenholz" - where "von" was used in the sense of "aus"
– tofro
Apr 25 at 12:07
Compare English:thousands of books,a group of people, butone glass of water?
– yunzen
Apr 25 at 14:22
add a comment |
2
There is also an archaic construct "Ein Kästchen von Ebenholz" - where "von" was used in the sense of "aus"
– tofro
Apr 25 at 12:07
Compare English:thousands of books,a group of people, butone glass of water?
– yunzen
Apr 25 at 14:22
2
2
There is also an archaic construct "Ein Kästchen von Ebenholz" - where "von" was used in the sense of "aus"
– tofro
Apr 25 at 12:07
There is also an archaic construct "Ein Kästchen von Ebenholz" - where "von" was used in the sense of "aus"
– tofro
Apr 25 at 12:07
Compare English:
thousands of books, a group of people, but one glass of water?– yunzen
Apr 25 at 14:22
Compare English:
thousands of books, a group of people, but one glass of water?– yunzen
Apr 25 at 14:22
add a comment |
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The von construction can be used with indefinite number adjectives, such as but not limited to "dutzende, hunderte, tausende, ...". But it is optional.
Thus, both sentences are grammatically correct and used:
Es wurden tausende Bücher verbrannt.
Es wurden tausende von Büchern verbrannt.
The latter construction puts more emphasis on the number.
Saying "Ich möchte ein Glas von Wasser" would be ungrammatical, because here you have a definite amount of glasses, namely 1.
answered Apr 25 at 11:44
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This is a Partitive Apposition, see Canoo.net. It is just specification of an amount. Similarly constructed are drei Liter Wasser, 100g Mehl.
edited Apr 25 at 15:00
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Okay, can your examples be phrased with von as well??
– Wilson
Apr 25 at 13:59
No, it's a specific amount.
– infinitezero
Apr 25 at 17:43
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The von construction can be used with indefinite number adjectives, such as but not limited to "dutzende, hunderte, tausende, ...". But it is optional.
Thus, both sentences are grammatically correct and used:
Es wurden tausende Bücher verbrannt.
Es wurden tausende von Büchern verbrannt.
The latter construction puts more emphasis on the number.
Saying "Ich möchte ein Glas von Wasser" would be ungrammatical, because here you have a definite amount of glasses, namely 1.
answered Apr 25 at 11:44
infinitezeroinfinitezero
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The von construction can be used with indefinite number adjectives, such as but not limited to "dutzende, hunderte, tausende, ...". But it is optional.
Thus, both sentences are grammatically correct and used:
Es wurden tausende Bücher verbrannt.
Es wurden tausende von Büchern verbrannt.
The latter construction puts more emphasis on the number.
Saying "Ich möchte ein Glas von Wasser" would be ungrammatical, because here you have a definite amount of glasses, namely 1.
answered Apr 25 at 11:44
infinitezeroinfinitezero
1,266410
add a comment |
The von construction can be used with indefinite number adjectives, such as but not limited to "dutzende, hunderte, tausende, ...". But it is optional.
Thus, both sentences are grammatically correct and used:
Es wurden tausende Bücher verbrannt.
Es wurden tausende von Büchern verbrannt.
The latter construction puts more emphasis on the number.
Saying "Ich möchte ein Glas von Wasser" would be ungrammatical, because here you have a definite amount of glasses, namely 1.
answered Apr 25 at 11:44
infinitezeroinfinitezero
1,266410
The von construction can be used with indefinite number adjectives, such as but not limited to "dutzende, hunderte, tausende, ...". But it is optional.
Thus, both sentences are grammatically correct and used:
Es wurden tausende Bücher verbrannt.
Es wurden tausende von Büchern verbrannt.
The latter construction puts more emphasis on the number.
Saying "Ich möchte ein Glas von Wasser" would be ungrammatical, because here you have a definite amount of glasses, namely 1.
answered Apr 25 at 11:44
infinitezeroinfinitezero
1,266410
answered Apr 25 at 11:44
infinitezeroinfinitezero
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answered Apr 25 at 11:44
infinitezeroinfinitezero
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This is a Partitive Apposition, see Canoo.net. It is just specification of an amount. Similarly constructed are drei Liter Wasser, 100g Mehl.
edited Apr 25 at 15:00
yunzen
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answered Apr 25 at 11:47
guidotguidot
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Okay, can your examples be phrased with von as well??
– Wilson
Apr 25 at 13:59
No, it's a specific amount.
– infinitezero
Apr 25 at 17:43
add a comment |
This is a Partitive Apposition, see Canoo.net. It is just specification of an amount. Similarly constructed are drei Liter Wasser, 100g Mehl.
edited Apr 25 at 15:00
yunzen
1235
answered Apr 25 at 11:47
guidotguidot
12.9k1546
Okay, can your examples be phrased with von as well??
– Wilson
Apr 25 at 13:59
No, it's a specific amount.
– infinitezero
Apr 25 at 17:43
add a comment |
This is a Partitive Apposition, see Canoo.net. It is just specification of an amount. Similarly constructed are drei Liter Wasser, 100g Mehl.
edited Apr 25 at 15:00
yunzen
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answered Apr 25 at 11:47
guidotguidot
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This is a Partitive Apposition, see Canoo.net. It is just specification of an amount. Similarly constructed are drei Liter Wasser, 100g Mehl.
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yunzen
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Okay, can your examples be phrased with von as well??
– Wilson
Apr 25 at 13:59
No, it's a specific amount.
– infinitezero
Apr 25 at 17:43
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Okay, can your examples be phrased with von as well??
– Wilson
Apr 25 at 13:59
No, it's a specific amount.
– infinitezero
Apr 25 at 17:43
Okay, can your examples be phrased with von as well??
– Wilson
Apr 25 at 13:59
Okay, can your examples be phrased with von as well??
– Wilson
Apr 25 at 13:59
No, it's a specific amount.
– infinitezero
Apr 25 at 17:43
No, it's a specific amount.
– infinitezero
Apr 25 at 17:43
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There is also an archaic construct "Ein Kästchen von Ebenholz" - where "von" was used in the sense of "aus"
– tofro
Apr 25 at 12:07
Compare English:
thousands of books,a group of people, butone glass of water?– yunzen
Apr 25 at 14:22