good references for old indo-European languages
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good references for old indo-European languages
what enjoy the most is to trace back the words right to their origin.
i had little study on Mazandarani(tabaritapuri) dialect spoken is Mazandaran province of Iran. traced back some words to their protp-indo-europian roots (i hope i did it right). one of them for example:
val /væl / (adjective) wry [neo-persian: χol=stupid middle
persian: χɔhɜl=wry, mad pal: χvæhl=wry peo: *hrɑχrɑ from root
*hvɑk san: vɑkrɑˈ PIE root: *suek-=to bend, to arch it, also forms old german: wanga deu: wange both mean "cheek". san:
vɑkræŋɑ=goose; vakra(awry organs) + aŋɑ(creature). this PIE root is
correlate with PIE: klo-dhro which forms lat: coluber forming fra:
cobra forming fas: kɔbrɑ.]
now i want to progress further and do some more but i need some help on finding rich references especially on extinct Indo-European languages.
etymology reference-request proto-indo-european resource-request indo-european
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what enjoy the most is to trace back the words right to their origin.
i had little study on Mazandarani(tabaritapuri) dialect spoken is Mazandaran province of Iran. traced back some words to their protp-indo-europian roots (i hope i did it right). one of them for example:
val /væl / (adjective) wry [neo-persian: χol=stupid middle
persian: χɔhɜl=wry, mad pal: χvæhl=wry peo: *hrɑχrɑ from root
*hvɑk san: vɑkrɑˈ PIE root: *suek-=to bend, to arch it, also forms old german: wanga deu: wange both mean "cheek". san:
vɑkræŋɑ=goose; vakra(awry organs) + aŋɑ(creature). this PIE root is
correlate with PIE: klo-dhro which forms lat: coluber forming fra:
cobra forming fas: kɔbrɑ.]
now i want to progress further and do some more but i need some help on finding rich references especially on extinct Indo-European languages.
etymology reference-request proto-indo-european resource-request indo-european
asked Jun 3 at 4:11
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You will probably get some good references, but when you want to do etymology seriously, you will need to learn at least a bit of the relevant languages (In your case, Avestan, Sanskrit, and one Kentum language, e.g., Classical Greek or Latin, maybe some Russian and some Turkish, too, for identifying more recent loans). This helps you in internal analysis of word forms.
– jknappen
Jun 3 at 8:48
yeah totally agree with you. I didn't find any old language teaching but some old books which are barely readable.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:49
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what enjoy the most is to trace back the words right to their origin.
i had little study on Mazandarani(tabaritapuri) dialect spoken is Mazandaran province of Iran. traced back some words to their protp-indo-europian roots (i hope i did it right). one of them for example:
val /væl / (adjective) wry [neo-persian: χol=stupid middle
persian: χɔhɜl=wry, mad pal: χvæhl=wry peo: *hrɑχrɑ from root
*hvɑk san: vɑkrɑˈ PIE root: *suek-=to bend, to arch it, also forms old german: wanga deu: wange both mean "cheek". san:
vɑkræŋɑ=goose; vakra(awry organs) + aŋɑ(creature). this PIE root is
correlate with PIE: klo-dhro which forms lat: coluber forming fra:
cobra forming fas: kɔbrɑ.]
now i want to progress further and do some more but i need some help on finding rich references especially on extinct Indo-European languages.
etymology reference-request proto-indo-european resource-request indo-european
asked Jun 3 at 4:11
shetalshetal
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what enjoy the most is to trace back the words right to their origin.
i had little study on Mazandarani(tabaritapuri) dialect spoken is Mazandaran province of Iran. traced back some words to their protp-indo-europian roots (i hope i did it right). one of them for example:
val /væl / (adjective) wry [neo-persian: χol=stupid middle
persian: χɔhɜl=wry, mad pal: χvæhl=wry peo: *hrɑχrɑ from root
*hvɑk san: vɑkrɑˈ PIE root: *suek-=to bend, to arch it, also forms old german: wanga deu: wange both mean "cheek". san:
vɑkræŋɑ=goose; vakra(awry organs) + aŋɑ(creature). this PIE root is
correlate with PIE: klo-dhro which forms lat: coluber forming fra:
cobra forming fas: kɔbrɑ.]
now i want to progress further and do some more but i need some help on finding rich references especially on extinct Indo-European languages.
etymology reference-request proto-indo-european resource-request indo-european
etymology reference-request proto-indo-european resource-request indo-european
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You will probably get some good references, but when you want to do etymology seriously, you will need to learn at least a bit of the relevant languages (In your case, Avestan, Sanskrit, and one Kentum language, e.g., Classical Greek or Latin, maybe some Russian and some Turkish, too, for identifying more recent loans). This helps you in internal analysis of word forms.
– jknappen
Jun 3 at 8:48
yeah totally agree with you. I didn't find any old language teaching but some old books which are barely readable.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:49
add a comment |
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You will probably get some good references, but when you want to do etymology seriously, you will need to learn at least a bit of the relevant languages (In your case, Avestan, Sanskrit, and one Kentum language, e.g., Classical Greek or Latin, maybe some Russian and some Turkish, too, for identifying more recent loans). This helps you in internal analysis of word forms.
– jknappen
Jun 3 at 8:48
yeah totally agree with you. I didn't find any old language teaching but some old books which are barely readable.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:49
2
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You will probably get some good references, but when you want to do etymology seriously, you will need to learn at least a bit of the relevant languages (In your case, Avestan, Sanskrit, and one Kentum language, e.g., Classical Greek or Latin, maybe some Russian and some Turkish, too, for identifying more recent loans). This helps you in internal analysis of word forms.
– jknappen
Jun 3 at 8:48
You will probably get some good references, but when you want to do etymology seriously, you will need to learn at least a bit of the relevant languages (In your case, Avestan, Sanskrit, and one Kentum language, e.g., Classical Greek or Latin, maybe some Russian and some Turkish, too, for identifying more recent loans). This helps you in internal analysis of word forms.
– jknappen
Jun 3 at 8:48
yeah totally agree with you. I didn't find any old language teaching but some old books which are barely readable.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:49
yeah totally agree with you. I didn't find any old language teaching but some old books which are barely readable.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:49
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I'd suggest Fritz's Handbook of Comparative and Historical Indo-European Linguistics. It touches on every branch of Indo-European in several different aspects, with a not-excessive-but-generally-sufficient level of detail.
Buying a hard copy will unfortunately set you back several hundred dollars: check your local library first (or, better yet, a university or research library). It's a classic in the field and copies shouldn't be too hard to find.
answered Jun 3 at 5:15
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thanks.famous books and websites are easy to find what I'm after are unknown articles and blogs that sometime contain valuable information.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:53
@shetal As a general rule, officially-published books will be much better references than an unknown blog post.
– Draconis
Jun 3 at 20:10
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A very good book dealing with all branches of Indo-European is The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World
In that you will find thousands of PIE roots and their development in different branches like e.g. Iranian.
Then, as already suggested, you should start collecting etymological material on different branches of IE. Brill/Leiden has a whole series of those Leiden Indo-European Etymological Dictionary Series, but they gonna hurt your pocket.
Some free resources that I personally like for tracing roots are https://www.etymonline.com/ and http://www.palaeolexicon.com.
answered Jun 5 at 20:39
MidasMidas
1,830716
I disagree with the recommendation of etymonline. It is being composed by an anonymous historian and does not give sources for the etymologies. Although it uses a lot of generally reliable sources, it is a mix up of copycat work. It tends to go overboard on giving explanations where there is no real consensus.
– jknappen
2 days ago
@jknappen well you're right in that aspect, but for a quick lookup prior to further investigation it is not that bad. For that purpose I find it as usable as wikipedia. The reconstructions are sometimes outdated and that's what is disturbing for my part.
– Midas
yesterday
add a comment |
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I'd suggest Fritz's Handbook of Comparative and Historical Indo-European Linguistics. It touches on every branch of Indo-European in several different aspects, with a not-excessive-but-generally-sufficient level of detail.
Buying a hard copy will unfortunately set you back several hundred dollars: check your local library first (or, better yet, a university or research library). It's a classic in the field and copies shouldn't be too hard to find.
answered Jun 3 at 5:15
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thanks.famous books and websites are easy to find what I'm after are unknown articles and blogs that sometime contain valuable information.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:53
@shetal As a general rule, officially-published books will be much better references than an unknown blog post.
– Draconis
Jun 3 at 20:10
add a comment |
I'd suggest Fritz's Handbook of Comparative and Historical Indo-European Linguistics. It touches on every branch of Indo-European in several different aspects, with a not-excessive-but-generally-sufficient level of detail.
Buying a hard copy will unfortunately set you back several hundred dollars: check your local library first (or, better yet, a university or research library). It's a classic in the field and copies shouldn't be too hard to find.
answered Jun 3 at 5:15
DraconisDraconis
15.5k12363
thanks.famous books and websites are easy to find what I'm after are unknown articles and blogs that sometime contain valuable information.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:53
@shetal As a general rule, officially-published books will be much better references than an unknown blog post.
– Draconis
Jun 3 at 20:10
add a comment |
I'd suggest Fritz's Handbook of Comparative and Historical Indo-European Linguistics. It touches on every branch of Indo-European in several different aspects, with a not-excessive-but-generally-sufficient level of detail.
Buying a hard copy will unfortunately set you back several hundred dollars: check your local library first (or, better yet, a university or research library). It's a classic in the field and copies shouldn't be too hard to find.
answered Jun 3 at 5:15
DraconisDraconis
15.5k12363
I'd suggest Fritz's Handbook of Comparative and Historical Indo-European Linguistics. It touches on every branch of Indo-European in several different aspects, with a not-excessive-but-generally-sufficient level of detail.
Buying a hard copy will unfortunately set you back several hundred dollars: check your local library first (or, better yet, a university or research library). It's a classic in the field and copies shouldn't be too hard to find.
answered Jun 3 at 5:15
DraconisDraconis
15.5k12363
answered Jun 3 at 5:15
DraconisDraconis
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answered Jun 3 at 5:15
DraconisDraconis
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answered Jun 3 at 5:15
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thanks.famous books and websites are easy to find what I'm after are unknown articles and blogs that sometime contain valuable information.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:53
@shetal As a general rule, officially-published books will be much better references than an unknown blog post.
– Draconis
Jun 3 at 20:10
add a comment |
thanks.famous books and websites are easy to find what I'm after are unknown articles and blogs that sometime contain valuable information.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:53
@shetal As a general rule, officially-published books will be much better references than an unknown blog post.
– Draconis
Jun 3 at 20:10
thanks.famous books and websites are easy to find what I'm after are unknown articles and blogs that sometime contain valuable information.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:53
thanks.famous books and websites are easy to find what I'm after are unknown articles and blogs that sometime contain valuable information.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:53
@shetal As a general rule, officially-published books will be much better references than an unknown blog post.
– Draconis
Jun 3 at 20:10
@shetal As a general rule, officially-published books will be much better references than an unknown blog post.
– Draconis
Jun 3 at 20:10
add a comment |
A very good book dealing with all branches of Indo-European is The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World
In that you will find thousands of PIE roots and their development in different branches like e.g. Iranian.
Then, as already suggested, you should start collecting etymological material on different branches of IE. Brill/Leiden has a whole series of those Leiden Indo-European Etymological Dictionary Series, but they gonna hurt your pocket.
Some free resources that I personally like for tracing roots are https://www.etymonline.com/ and http://www.palaeolexicon.com.
answered Jun 5 at 20:39
MidasMidas
1,830716
I disagree with the recommendation of etymonline. It is being composed by an anonymous historian and does not give sources for the etymologies. Although it uses a lot of generally reliable sources, it is a mix up of copycat work. It tends to go overboard on giving explanations where there is no real consensus.
– jknappen
2 days ago
@jknappen well you're right in that aspect, but for a quick lookup prior to further investigation it is not that bad. For that purpose I find it as usable as wikipedia. The reconstructions are sometimes outdated and that's what is disturbing for my part.
– Midas
yesterday
add a comment |
A very good book dealing with all branches of Indo-European is The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World
In that you will find thousands of PIE roots and their development in different branches like e.g. Iranian.
Then, as already suggested, you should start collecting etymological material on different branches of IE. Brill/Leiden has a whole series of those Leiden Indo-European Etymological Dictionary Series, but they gonna hurt your pocket.
Some free resources that I personally like for tracing roots are https://www.etymonline.com/ and http://www.palaeolexicon.com.
answered Jun 5 at 20:39
MidasMidas
1,830716
I disagree with the recommendation of etymonline. It is being composed by an anonymous historian and does not give sources for the etymologies. Although it uses a lot of generally reliable sources, it is a mix up of copycat work. It tends to go overboard on giving explanations where there is no real consensus.
– jknappen
2 days ago
@jknappen well you're right in that aspect, but for a quick lookup prior to further investigation it is not that bad. For that purpose I find it as usable as wikipedia. The reconstructions are sometimes outdated and that's what is disturbing for my part.
– Midas
yesterday
add a comment |
A very good book dealing with all branches of Indo-European is The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World
In that you will find thousands of PIE roots and their development in different branches like e.g. Iranian.
Then, as already suggested, you should start collecting etymological material on different branches of IE. Brill/Leiden has a whole series of those Leiden Indo-European Etymological Dictionary Series, but they gonna hurt your pocket.
Some free resources that I personally like for tracing roots are https://www.etymonline.com/ and http://www.palaeolexicon.com.
answered Jun 5 at 20:39
MidasMidas
1,830716
A very good book dealing with all branches of Indo-European is The Oxford Introduction to Proto-Indo-European and the Proto-Indo-European World
In that you will find thousands of PIE roots and their development in different branches like e.g. Iranian.
Then, as already suggested, you should start collecting etymological material on different branches of IE. Brill/Leiden has a whole series of those Leiden Indo-European Etymological Dictionary Series, but they gonna hurt your pocket.
Some free resources that I personally like for tracing roots are https://www.etymonline.com/ and http://www.palaeolexicon.com.
answered Jun 5 at 20:39
MidasMidas
1,830716
answered Jun 5 at 20:39
MidasMidas
1,830716
answered Jun 5 at 20:39
MidasMidas
1,830716
answered Jun 5 at 20:39
MidasMidas
1,830716
1,830716
I disagree with the recommendation of etymonline. It is being composed by an anonymous historian and does not give sources for the etymologies. Although it uses a lot of generally reliable sources, it is a mix up of copycat work. It tends to go overboard on giving explanations where there is no real consensus.
– jknappen
2 days ago
@jknappen well you're right in that aspect, but for a quick lookup prior to further investigation it is not that bad. For that purpose I find it as usable as wikipedia. The reconstructions are sometimes outdated and that's what is disturbing for my part.
– Midas
yesterday
add a comment |
I disagree with the recommendation of etymonline. It is being composed by an anonymous historian and does not give sources for the etymologies. Although it uses a lot of generally reliable sources, it is a mix up of copycat work. It tends to go overboard on giving explanations where there is no real consensus.
– jknappen
2 days ago
@jknappen well you're right in that aspect, but for a quick lookup prior to further investigation it is not that bad. For that purpose I find it as usable as wikipedia. The reconstructions are sometimes outdated and that's what is disturbing for my part.
– Midas
yesterday
I disagree with the recommendation of etymonline. It is being composed by an anonymous historian and does not give sources for the etymologies. Although it uses a lot of generally reliable sources, it is a mix up of copycat work. It tends to go overboard on giving explanations where there is no real consensus.
– jknappen
2 days ago
I disagree with the recommendation of etymonline. It is being composed by an anonymous historian and does not give sources for the etymologies. Although it uses a lot of generally reliable sources, it is a mix up of copycat work. It tends to go overboard on giving explanations where there is no real consensus.
– jknappen
2 days ago
@jknappen well you're right in that aspect, but for a quick lookup prior to further investigation it is not that bad. For that purpose I find it as usable as wikipedia. The reconstructions are sometimes outdated and that's what is disturbing for my part.
– Midas
yesterday
@jknappen well you're right in that aspect, but for a quick lookup prior to further investigation it is not that bad. For that purpose I find it as usable as wikipedia. The reconstructions are sometimes outdated and that's what is disturbing for my part.
– Midas
yesterday
add a comment |
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You will probably get some good references, but when you want to do etymology seriously, you will need to learn at least a bit of the relevant languages (In your case, Avestan, Sanskrit, and one Kentum language, e.g., Classical Greek or Latin, maybe some Russian and some Turkish, too, for identifying more recent loans). This helps you in internal analysis of word forms.
– jknappen
Jun 3 at 8:48
yeah totally agree with you. I didn't find any old language teaching but some old books which are barely readable.
– shetal
Jun 3 at 14:49