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In my fantasy world there is a large valley. At the northern end lies the 'endless desert' called the "Sea of Glass" due to its shimmering sands. Within these deserts live great wyrms that swim through the sand as if it was an ocean.



The wyrms/worms would roughly have these dimensions: 4 meters high and wide and stretching to lengths between 10 to 30 meters. The 'mouth' of the beast is cylindrical however their mouth is protected by a beak that is enclosed during burrowing (making a cone shape).



The worms most likely breath oxygen and would need to resurface (think about the same time as a humpback whale). Their main hunting strategy is to stalk their prey using echolocation to hear footsteps above the sand then the worm would launch its self forward and open their beak aiming to suddenly swallow and enclose their prey.



These worms are pretty big critters. I'm wondering if a purely carnivorous diet would be able to sustain a worm of this size as well as possible eating habits as a bonus (ex: would it be better to eat one large meal and then sleep or would they be more like sharks and constantly on the move)



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One animal species that does exist in this world, but not the Sahara, is a creature similar to a Bantha from Star Wars. They'd be furry animals comparable to yaks in size, but relating more to elephants in nature.










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In my fantasy world there is a large valley. At the northern end lies the 'endless desert' called the "Sea of Glass" due to its shimmering sands. Within these deserts live great wyrms that swim through the sand as if it was an ocean.



The wyrms/worms would roughly have these dimensions: 4 meters high and wide and stretching to lengths between 10 to 30 meters. The 'mouth' of the beast is cylindrical however their mouth is protected by a beak that is enclosed during burrowing (making a cone shape).



The worms most likely breath oxygen and would need to resurface (think about the same time as a humpback whale). Their main hunting strategy is to stalk their prey using echolocation to hear footsteps above the sand then the worm would launch its self forward and open their beak aiming to suddenly swallow and enclose their prey.



These worms are pretty big critters. I'm wondering if a purely carnivorous diet would be able to sustain a worm of this size as well as possible eating habits as a bonus (ex: would it be better to eat one large meal and then sleep or would they be more like sharks and constantly on the move)



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One animal species that does exist in this world, but not the Sahara, is a creature similar to a Bantha from Star Wars. They'd be furry animals comparable to yaks in size, but relating more to elephants in nature.










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In my fantasy world there is a large valley. At the northern end lies the 'endless desert' called the "Sea of Glass" due to its shimmering sands. Within these deserts live great wyrms that swim through the sand as if it was an ocean.



The wyrms/worms would roughly have these dimensions: 4 meters high and wide and stretching to lengths between 10 to 30 meters. The 'mouth' of the beast is cylindrical however their mouth is protected by a beak that is enclosed during burrowing (making a cone shape).



The worms most likely breath oxygen and would need to resurface (think about the same time as a humpback whale). Their main hunting strategy is to stalk their prey using echolocation to hear footsteps above the sand then the worm would launch its self forward and open their beak aiming to suddenly swallow and enclose their prey.



These worms are pretty big critters. I'm wondering if a purely carnivorous diet would be able to sustain a worm of this size as well as possible eating habits as a bonus (ex: would it be better to eat one large meal and then sleep or would they be more like sharks and constantly on the move)



Note:



One animal species that does exist in this world, but not the Sahara, is a creature similar to a Bantha from Star Wars. They'd be furry animals comparable to yaks in size, but relating more to elephants in nature.










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In my fantasy world there is a large valley. At the northern end lies the 'endless desert' called the "Sea of Glass" due to its shimmering sands. Within these deserts live great wyrms that swim through the sand as if it was an ocean.



The wyrms/worms would roughly have these dimensions: 4 meters high and wide and stretching to lengths between 10 to 30 meters. The 'mouth' of the beast is cylindrical however their mouth is protected by a beak that is enclosed during burrowing (making a cone shape).



The worms most likely breath oxygen and would need to resurface (think about the same time as a humpback whale). Their main hunting strategy is to stalk their prey using echolocation to hear footsteps above the sand then the worm would launch its self forward and open their beak aiming to suddenly swallow and enclose their prey.



These worms are pretty big critters. I'm wondering if a purely carnivorous diet would be able to sustain a worm of this size as well as possible eating habits as a bonus (ex: would it be better to eat one large meal and then sleep or would they be more like sharks and constantly on the move)



Note:



One animal species that does exist in this world, but not the Sahara, is a creature similar to a Bantha from Star Wars. They'd be furry animals comparable to yaks in size, but relating more to elephants in nature.







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    Fun fact: rather than yak-sized, banthas are actually exactly elephant-sized, because in the original trilogy, the banthas were in fact elephants in furry costumes.
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Your worms are ambush predators. They very rarely move.



https://www.bbcearth.com/blog/?article=snapping-death-worms-can-hide-undetected-for-years



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These giant polychaete marine worms




(Eunice aphroditois, also known as the sand striker)




are real. They lurk, waiting for something to pass by in reach and then they pounce. They get big; at least 3 meters. For big predators they move so little they can go unrecognized in plain sight for many years.




In 2013 a metre-long worm was found by staff at Maidenhead Aquatics in
Woking, Surrey, which they estimate had been living in the tank for 10
years undetected. An even larger worm was found in 2009 at the Blue
Reef Aquarium in Newquay, which had been devouring fish and even
snapping bits of coral off the tank’s reef installation; the staff
nicknamed it “Barry”. Further afield, a 3m long worm was discovered in
a mooring raft in Japan's Seto Fishing Harbour in 2009 – one of the
largest specimens ever discovered.




This is how your sandwyrms work. They do not cruise around looking for prey like the worms in Dune. That would expend a colossal amount of energy. They hold very, very still, and the main movement is a quick attack and then swallowing the prey.



The larger they are the less they move from place to place, and the truly big ones only move under extreme duress. They live in a desert, but this desert hosts a seasonal migration of large ungulates between their winter and summer homes. That migration is when the worms reliably feed. Feed they do - their bodies can expand to contain pretty much as many animals as they can catch, and they can catch one after another during the peak of migration. With those reserves the worms can go many years between feedings, and big ones can even metabolize their body segments and shrink in size during prolonged lean times.



The ones you find cruising around out and about are the juveniles looking for a new home. Those little ones relocate often and have been known to chase down prey. One might encounter several juveniles at once which can be a bad situation. Those can definitely be trouble but are unlikely to kill you outright. Some people might dig them out and reinstall them like biologic land mines.






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    +1 This does really remind me of a movie I once saw, where there where huge, ambush-predetor sandworms. They dug themselfs large pits in the sand and maintained those to keep the slope so steep that falling down into their mouth was the victims certain fate once they stepped into the pit. This might even be more efficient than the hunting strategy you suggested for the adults.
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    Sounds like the Sarlacc from Return of the Jedi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarlacc That thing would have eaten a lot of sand.
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    Holy sh... these things are the stuff of nightmares. longer than three meters, one of these could probably grab a diver as a snack?
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    How about if the large, mostly immobile worms had some little bitty buddies (perhaps its equivalent of tadpoles) that can crawl inside the ears of prey and control their minds like in Star Trek: Wrath of Khan and march the prey right into the big worms' mouths? (If the prey doesn't get that far before dying, the small worm eats it from the inside out, repeatedly reproducing by fission to create more opportunities to feed the big worm.)
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4 meters high and wide and stretching to lengths between 10 to 30 meters is a huge beast.



Having to burrow in the sand to move takes quite some energy, as it requires displacing a dense medium. Plus ambushing the prey is another additional effort.



A carnivorous diet seems adapt to supply that much energy, however here is the issue: you state they live in a desert.



Large animals in the desert are rare or even absent, and smaller animals, though present, are scattered around.



For this it would be better a hunting strategy similar to whales: ingest and filter large amounts of medium (water for the whales, sand for the worms), capturing all the edible content.



Additional issue: in a desert with such a massive body heat dissipation might be an issue. Therefore a more lean body might be helpful.






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    Aerated sand behaves almost like liquid, and something that size would be able to make a very loud noise, like whalesong. A suffciently powerful rumble might allow them to vibrate and agitate the sand, at which point their sheer weight could cause them to simply sink into it, or they could sort of "swim" through it. Once buried, they would be shaded from the sun, and if the deeper layers of sand are damp, then the moisture would help them cool off. Sand's heat capacity is about 20% of water's, so while cool sand could work, even a little moisture would make it much more effective for cooling.
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A carnivorous worm is not unlike a snake and we have data about what snakes eat (they're all carnivores).



Giant snakes may only eat 4 to 6 times yearly. (ref) And snakes can lower their metabolic rates, become more protein efficient, and survive months without any food at all. Though most snakes eat every 5-14 days.



The largest snake in the world is the giant anaconda (Eunectes murinus). They weigh about 550 pounds (250 kilos), average 17 feet (just over 5 meters) in length, and can have a circumference of 3 feet (just under a meter, which is about 1/3 of a meter in diameter).



This snake has a volume of about .44 cubic meters. Your creature has a volume of 125 to 375 cubic meters (assume 4 meters diameter and 10-30 meters in length...which is very very thick and not very wormlike, especially at shorter lengths).



If volume is proportional to caloric needs, your worm would need at least 284 times the calories of a giant anaconda. It's not really proportional though, so the actual need for your worm would be less. Let's round down to 200 times.



A giant anaconda can go months between meals, especially a large meal like a deer (120 lbs. (54 kg)). If we assume a giant anaconda eats 480 pounds (218 kg) of live prey a year, this would mean something in the ballpark of 96,000 pounds (43545 kg) a year for your worm.



So something in the vicinity of one of the following (or a combination):



  • 800 deer (or humans, average weight 120 lbs).

  • 60 cows (female average weight 1600 lbs).

  • 40 bulls (male average weight 2400 lbs).

These are just estimates. I haven't found exact feeding requirements for giant snakes, we don't know how caloric needs scale up with mythical creatures, and we don't know how the caloric needs of a giant worm compare with a snake. But the order of magnitude should be right.



This is pretty doable for worms in an environment with lots of prey and not a lot of competition for it. But in the desert? That is rough. What other animals are there they could eat? That is what you need to answer. If you assume herds of roving flocks, and very few worms, you're good.



As for time between meals, they could rest for a long time after large meals but, given how much they have to eat (because there aren't other animals big enough to sustain them for a meal), they wouldn't rest too much. Weeks vs months.



Note that sometimes giant snakes eat each other. This isn't sustainable of course but it could reduce competition and keep a worm alive another several months.






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    light, windblown surface sand is easy to dig through, but you don't have to go very deep before the weight of sand above you becomes quite difficult to deal with. Water depth places limits on survivability (via distance and pressure), but not on movement. Or to cheat and sidestep the problem; living and moving through water is a largely solved problem for one version of metazoa or another, with a huge variety of sizes and lifestyles and diets on offer. Tunnelling on the other hand is more more constrained, especially when it comes to size or depth.
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    If there was an elephant-like creature who lived in less harsh environments neighbouring the desert, but migrated across the desert and back on a seasonal basis, then the worm could snag a half-dozen elephants, sleep for six months, and then grab another handful on their way back. Nine or ten elephants would meet your estimated food needs for the year. I'm thinking of something like crocodiles grabbing wildebeest crossing the rivers in the Serengeti, except with enormous sandworms.
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    @anaximander Somehow I didn't think of elephants. They'd probably fit too, at least the smaller ones. 6000 lbs for an African forest elephant. 12000 for Asian, 13000 for African bush. The criterion is the creature can't be wider than the snake's jaws, but this is one insanely wide snake...er worm.
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There are already some good answers here, but I want to explore an issue which hasn't been covered yet. The biggest problem you have with your worms is not their size per se; it's the fact that they are cold blooded creatures in a desert.



Cold blooded animals have a metabolism that is in sync with the ambient temperature; that is to say, colder animals are more sluggish and eat less. Warmer ones are much more active and their appetites increase to match.



Crocodiles for example can get away with eating as little as a couple of Kgs of meat a day, but then they spend a lot of their time in water. Sharks too would eat a lot more if they weren't in a cold environment. It's believed that a T-Rex would have eaten around half a metric tonne of meat every day.



But, your worm has three issues that a T-Rex didn't have to deal with. It's literally burrowing through the sand to get anywhere (takes a lot more energy than walking), it's in a desert meaning that during the day it's very hot and it's even bigger again than the T-Rex, meaning that it doesn't make a good ambush predator; it can't leap out of the sand for instance because it would be fighting the square cube law (it jumps / carries / runs a smaller percentage of its body size as it scales up).



But, is it possible?



Well, your worm is going to need a lot of those Banthas you describe. That means they're likely solitary animals with massive territories to protect. That's because the desert is going to struggle to keep the water and food supplies available for large herds of Banthas or any other creature. But, that soon becomes a losing proposition as it's likely that your worm is going to spend more energy getting between creatures in the heat than it gets from the next Bantha. So, I don't think that a carnivorous worm in a desert would survive on that diet alone, no. If it did, then it would eat that huge meal all at once like a snake.



In point of fact if you're going to do it, you have to end up with something that works a lot like a snake on all fronts. That's far more likely than a worm. For a start, the scales of a snake are far more likely to protect the creature from the sand leaching out the moisture through the skin and if it's truly carnivorous, you'll need a brain and eyes and the like, none of which a worm has. Especially if you're looking for something that can catch meat rather than surviving as a carrion eater.






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    I got an image of a giant worm/snake encircling a herd of banthas on the surface, trapping them in and eating them one at a time. Then this image was quickly replaced with the game slither.io and became silly. Especially when you think of the "awesome face" snake.
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Your worms are ambush predators. They very rarely move.



https://www.bbcearth.com/blog/?article=snapping-death-worms-can-hide-undetected-for-years



death worm



These giant polychaete marine worms




(Eunice aphroditois, also known as the sand striker)




are real. They lurk, waiting for something to pass by in reach and then they pounce. They get big; at least 3 meters. For big predators they move so little they can go unrecognized in plain sight for many years.




In 2013 a metre-long worm was found by staff at Maidenhead Aquatics in
Woking, Surrey, which they estimate had been living in the tank for 10
years undetected. An even larger worm was found in 2009 at the Blue
Reef Aquarium in Newquay, which had been devouring fish and even
snapping bits of coral off the tank’s reef installation; the staff
nicknamed it “Barry”. Further afield, a 3m long worm was discovered in
a mooring raft in Japan's Seto Fishing Harbour in 2009 – one of the
largest specimens ever discovered.




This is how your sandwyrms work. They do not cruise around looking for prey like the worms in Dune. That would expend a colossal amount of energy. They hold very, very still, and the main movement is a quick attack and then swallowing the prey.



The larger they are the less they move from place to place, and the truly big ones only move under extreme duress. They live in a desert, but this desert hosts a seasonal migration of large ungulates between their winter and summer homes. That migration is when the worms reliably feed. Feed they do - their bodies can expand to contain pretty much as many animals as they can catch, and they can catch one after another during the peak of migration. With those reserves the worms can go many years between feedings, and big ones can even metabolize their body segments and shrink in size during prolonged lean times.



The ones you find cruising around out and about are the juveniles looking for a new home. Those little ones relocate often and have been known to chase down prey. One might encounter several juveniles at once which can be a bad situation. Those can definitely be trouble but are unlikely to kill you outright. Some people might dig them out and reinstall them like biologic land mines.






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    +1 This does really remind me of a movie I once saw, where there where huge, ambush-predetor sandworms. They dug themselfs large pits in the sand and maintained those to keep the slope so steep that falling down into their mouth was the victims certain fate once they stepped into the pit. This might even be more efficient than the hunting strategy you suggested for the adults.
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    – TheDyingOfLight
    Jul 7 at 20:26






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    Sounds like the Sarlacc from Return of the Jedi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarlacc That thing would have eaten a lot of sand.
    $endgroup$
    – Willk
    Jul 7 at 20:55






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    @TheDyingOfLight: Are you sure you’re not thinking of Antlion larvae? They’re a very real thing that does exactly what you just described. I mean, they’re not giant, but..,
    $endgroup$
    – Joe Bloggs
    Jul 8 at 8:53







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    Holy sh... these things are the stuff of nightmares. longer than three meters, one of these could probably grab a diver as a snack?
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    – Falco
    Jul 8 at 13:06






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    How about if the large, mostly immobile worms had some little bitty buddies (perhaps its equivalent of tadpoles) that can crawl inside the ears of prey and control their minds like in Star Trek: Wrath of Khan and march the prey right into the big worms' mouths? (If the prey doesn't get that far before dying, the small worm eats it from the inside out, repeatedly reproducing by fission to create more opportunities to feed the big worm.)
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    – Monty Harder
    Jul 8 at 22:44















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Your worms are ambush predators. They very rarely move.



https://www.bbcearth.com/blog/?article=snapping-death-worms-can-hide-undetected-for-years



death worm



These giant polychaete marine worms




(Eunice aphroditois, also known as the sand striker)




are real. They lurk, waiting for something to pass by in reach and then they pounce. They get big; at least 3 meters. For big predators they move so little they can go unrecognized in plain sight for many years.




In 2013 a metre-long worm was found by staff at Maidenhead Aquatics in
Woking, Surrey, which they estimate had been living in the tank for 10
years undetected. An even larger worm was found in 2009 at the Blue
Reef Aquarium in Newquay, which had been devouring fish and even
snapping bits of coral off the tank’s reef installation; the staff
nicknamed it “Barry”. Further afield, a 3m long worm was discovered in
a mooring raft in Japan's Seto Fishing Harbour in 2009 – one of the
largest specimens ever discovered.




This is how your sandwyrms work. They do not cruise around looking for prey like the worms in Dune. That would expend a colossal amount of energy. They hold very, very still, and the main movement is a quick attack and then swallowing the prey.



The larger they are the less they move from place to place, and the truly big ones only move under extreme duress. They live in a desert, but this desert hosts a seasonal migration of large ungulates between their winter and summer homes. That migration is when the worms reliably feed. Feed they do - their bodies can expand to contain pretty much as many animals as they can catch, and they can catch one after another during the peak of migration. With those reserves the worms can go many years between feedings, and big ones can even metabolize their body segments and shrink in size during prolonged lean times.



The ones you find cruising around out and about are the juveniles looking for a new home. Those little ones relocate often and have been known to chase down prey. One might encounter several juveniles at once which can be a bad situation. Those can definitely be trouble but are unlikely to kill you outright. Some people might dig them out and reinstall them like biologic land mines.






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    +1 This does really remind me of a movie I once saw, where there where huge, ambush-predetor sandworms. They dug themselfs large pits in the sand and maintained those to keep the slope so steep that falling down into their mouth was the victims certain fate once they stepped into the pit. This might even be more efficient than the hunting strategy you suggested for the adults.
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    – TheDyingOfLight
    Jul 7 at 20:26






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    $begingroup$
    Sounds like the Sarlacc from Return of the Jedi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarlacc That thing would have eaten a lot of sand.
    $endgroup$
    – Willk
    Jul 7 at 20:55






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    $begingroup$
    @TheDyingOfLight: Are you sure you’re not thinking of Antlion larvae? They’re a very real thing that does exactly what you just described. I mean, they’re not giant, but..,
    $endgroup$
    – Joe Bloggs
    Jul 8 at 8:53







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    Holy sh... these things are the stuff of nightmares. longer than three meters, one of these could probably grab a diver as a snack?
    $endgroup$
    – Falco
    Jul 8 at 13:06






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    How about if the large, mostly immobile worms had some little bitty buddies (perhaps its equivalent of tadpoles) that can crawl inside the ears of prey and control their minds like in Star Trek: Wrath of Khan and march the prey right into the big worms' mouths? (If the prey doesn't get that far before dying, the small worm eats it from the inside out, repeatedly reproducing by fission to create more opportunities to feed the big worm.)
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    – Monty Harder
    Jul 8 at 22:44













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$begingroup$

Your worms are ambush predators. They very rarely move.



https://www.bbcearth.com/blog/?article=snapping-death-worms-can-hide-undetected-for-years



death worm



These giant polychaete marine worms




(Eunice aphroditois, also known as the sand striker)




are real. They lurk, waiting for something to pass by in reach and then they pounce. They get big; at least 3 meters. For big predators they move so little they can go unrecognized in plain sight for many years.




In 2013 a metre-long worm was found by staff at Maidenhead Aquatics in
Woking, Surrey, which they estimate had been living in the tank for 10
years undetected. An even larger worm was found in 2009 at the Blue
Reef Aquarium in Newquay, which had been devouring fish and even
snapping bits of coral off the tank’s reef installation; the staff
nicknamed it “Barry”. Further afield, a 3m long worm was discovered in
a mooring raft in Japan's Seto Fishing Harbour in 2009 – one of the
largest specimens ever discovered.




This is how your sandwyrms work. They do not cruise around looking for prey like the worms in Dune. That would expend a colossal amount of energy. They hold very, very still, and the main movement is a quick attack and then swallowing the prey.



The larger they are the less they move from place to place, and the truly big ones only move under extreme duress. They live in a desert, but this desert hosts a seasonal migration of large ungulates between their winter and summer homes. That migration is when the worms reliably feed. Feed they do - their bodies can expand to contain pretty much as many animals as they can catch, and they can catch one after another during the peak of migration. With those reserves the worms can go many years between feedings, and big ones can even metabolize their body segments and shrink in size during prolonged lean times.



The ones you find cruising around out and about are the juveniles looking for a new home. Those little ones relocate often and have been known to chase down prey. One might encounter several juveniles at once which can be a bad situation. Those can definitely be trouble but are unlikely to kill you outright. Some people might dig them out and reinstall them like biologic land mines.






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Your worms are ambush predators. They very rarely move.



https://www.bbcearth.com/blog/?article=snapping-death-worms-can-hide-undetected-for-years



death worm



These giant polychaete marine worms




(Eunice aphroditois, also known as the sand striker)




are real. They lurk, waiting for something to pass by in reach and then they pounce. They get big; at least 3 meters. For big predators they move so little they can go unrecognized in plain sight for many years.




In 2013 a metre-long worm was found by staff at Maidenhead Aquatics in
Woking, Surrey, which they estimate had been living in the tank for 10
years undetected. An even larger worm was found in 2009 at the Blue
Reef Aquarium in Newquay, which had been devouring fish and even
snapping bits of coral off the tank’s reef installation; the staff
nicknamed it “Barry”. Further afield, a 3m long worm was discovered in
a mooring raft in Japan's Seto Fishing Harbour in 2009 – one of the
largest specimens ever discovered.




This is how your sandwyrms work. They do not cruise around looking for prey like the worms in Dune. That would expend a colossal amount of energy. They hold very, very still, and the main movement is a quick attack and then swallowing the prey.



The larger they are the less they move from place to place, and the truly big ones only move under extreme duress. They live in a desert, but this desert hosts a seasonal migration of large ungulates between their winter and summer homes. That migration is when the worms reliably feed. Feed they do - their bodies can expand to contain pretty much as many animals as they can catch, and they can catch one after another during the peak of migration. With those reserves the worms can go many years between feedings, and big ones can even metabolize their body segments and shrink in size during prolonged lean times.



The ones you find cruising around out and about are the juveniles looking for a new home. Those little ones relocate often and have been known to chase down prey. One might encounter several juveniles at once which can be a bad situation. Those can definitely be trouble but are unlikely to kill you outright. Some people might dig them out and reinstall them like biologic land mines.







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    +1 This does really remind me of a movie I once saw, where there where huge, ambush-predetor sandworms. They dug themselfs large pits in the sand and maintained those to keep the slope so steep that falling down into their mouth was the victims certain fate once they stepped into the pit. This might even be more efficient than the hunting strategy you suggested for the adults.
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    – TheDyingOfLight
    Jul 7 at 20:26






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    $begingroup$
    Sounds like the Sarlacc from Return of the Jedi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarlacc That thing would have eaten a lot of sand.
    $endgroup$
    – Willk
    Jul 7 at 20:55






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    $begingroup$
    @TheDyingOfLight: Are you sure you’re not thinking of Antlion larvae? They’re a very real thing that does exactly what you just described. I mean, they’re not giant, but..,
    $endgroup$
    – Joe Bloggs
    Jul 8 at 8:53







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    Holy sh... these things are the stuff of nightmares. longer than three meters, one of these could probably grab a diver as a snack?
    $endgroup$
    – Falco
    Jul 8 at 13:06






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    How about if the large, mostly immobile worms had some little bitty buddies (perhaps its equivalent of tadpoles) that can crawl inside the ears of prey and control their minds like in Star Trek: Wrath of Khan and march the prey right into the big worms' mouths? (If the prey doesn't get that far before dying, the small worm eats it from the inside out, repeatedly reproducing by fission to create more opportunities to feed the big worm.)
    $endgroup$
    – Monty Harder
    Jul 8 at 22:44












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    $begingroup$
    +1 This does really remind me of a movie I once saw, where there where huge, ambush-predetor sandworms. They dug themselfs large pits in the sand and maintained those to keep the slope so steep that falling down into their mouth was the victims certain fate once they stepped into the pit. This might even be more efficient than the hunting strategy you suggested for the adults.
    $endgroup$
    – TheDyingOfLight
    Jul 7 at 20:26






  • 9




    $begingroup$
    Sounds like the Sarlacc from Return of the Jedi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarlacc That thing would have eaten a lot of sand.
    $endgroup$
    – Willk
    Jul 7 at 20:55






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    $begingroup$
    @TheDyingOfLight: Are you sure you’re not thinking of Antlion larvae? They’re a very real thing that does exactly what you just described. I mean, they’re not giant, but..,
    $endgroup$
    – Joe Bloggs
    Jul 8 at 8:53







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    $begingroup$
    Holy sh... these things are the stuff of nightmares. longer than three meters, one of these could probably grab a diver as a snack?
    $endgroup$
    – Falco
    Jul 8 at 13:06






  • 2




    $begingroup$
    How about if the large, mostly immobile worms had some little bitty buddies (perhaps its equivalent of tadpoles) that can crawl inside the ears of prey and control their minds like in Star Trek: Wrath of Khan and march the prey right into the big worms' mouths? (If the prey doesn't get that far before dying, the small worm eats it from the inside out, repeatedly reproducing by fission to create more opportunities to feed the big worm.)
    $endgroup$
    – Monty Harder
    Jul 8 at 22:44







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+1 This does really remind me of a movie I once saw, where there where huge, ambush-predetor sandworms. They dug themselfs large pits in the sand and maintained those to keep the slope so steep that falling down into their mouth was the victims certain fate once they stepped into the pit. This might even be more efficient than the hunting strategy you suggested for the adults.
$endgroup$
– TheDyingOfLight
Jul 7 at 20:26




$begingroup$
+1 This does really remind me of a movie I once saw, where there where huge, ambush-predetor sandworms. They dug themselfs large pits in the sand and maintained those to keep the slope so steep that falling down into their mouth was the victims certain fate once they stepped into the pit. This might even be more efficient than the hunting strategy you suggested for the adults.
$endgroup$
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Jul 7 at 20:26




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Sounds like the Sarlacc from Return of the Jedi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarlacc That thing would have eaten a lot of sand.
$endgroup$
– Willk
Jul 7 at 20:55




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Sounds like the Sarlacc from Return of the Jedi. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarlacc That thing would have eaten a lot of sand.
$endgroup$
– Willk
Jul 7 at 20:55




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@TheDyingOfLight: Are you sure you’re not thinking of Antlion larvae? They’re a very real thing that does exactly what you just described. I mean, they’re not giant, but..,
$endgroup$
– Joe Bloggs
Jul 8 at 8:53





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@TheDyingOfLight: Are you sure you’re not thinking of Antlion larvae? They’re a very real thing that does exactly what you just described. I mean, they’re not giant, but..,
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Jul 8 at 8:53





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Holy sh... these things are the stuff of nightmares. longer than three meters, one of these could probably grab a diver as a snack?
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Holy sh... these things are the stuff of nightmares. longer than three meters, one of these could probably grab a diver as a snack?
$endgroup$
– Falco
Jul 8 at 13:06




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$begingroup$
How about if the large, mostly immobile worms had some little bitty buddies (perhaps its equivalent of tadpoles) that can crawl inside the ears of prey and control their minds like in Star Trek: Wrath of Khan and march the prey right into the big worms' mouths? (If the prey doesn't get that far before dying, the small worm eats it from the inside out, repeatedly reproducing by fission to create more opportunities to feed the big worm.)
$endgroup$
– Monty Harder
Jul 8 at 22:44




$begingroup$
How about if the large, mostly immobile worms had some little bitty buddies (perhaps its equivalent of tadpoles) that can crawl inside the ears of prey and control their minds like in Star Trek: Wrath of Khan and march the prey right into the big worms' mouths? (If the prey doesn't get that far before dying, the small worm eats it from the inside out, repeatedly reproducing by fission to create more opportunities to feed the big worm.)
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4 meters high and wide and stretching to lengths between 10 to 30 meters is a huge beast.



Having to burrow in the sand to move takes quite some energy, as it requires displacing a dense medium. Plus ambushing the prey is another additional effort.



A carnivorous diet seems adapt to supply that much energy, however here is the issue: you state they live in a desert.



Large animals in the desert are rare or even absent, and smaller animals, though present, are scattered around.



For this it would be better a hunting strategy similar to whales: ingest and filter large amounts of medium (water for the whales, sand for the worms), capturing all the edible content.



Additional issue: in a desert with such a massive body heat dissipation might be an issue. Therefore a more lean body might be helpful.






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    Aerated sand behaves almost like liquid, and something that size would be able to make a very loud noise, like whalesong. A suffciently powerful rumble might allow them to vibrate and agitate the sand, at which point their sheer weight could cause them to simply sink into it, or they could sort of "swim" through it. Once buried, they would be shaded from the sun, and if the deeper layers of sand are damp, then the moisture would help them cool off. Sand's heat capacity is about 20% of water's, so while cool sand could work, even a little moisture would make it much more effective for cooling.
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  • $begingroup$
    @anaximander That is a really interesting point, and probably worth writing up as an answer. Using noise to aerate the sand does rather interfere with the stealth hunter concept though.
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    – Paul Johnson
    Jul 9 at 16:38















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$begingroup$

4 meters high and wide and stretching to lengths between 10 to 30 meters is a huge beast.



Having to burrow in the sand to move takes quite some energy, as it requires displacing a dense medium. Plus ambushing the prey is another additional effort.



A carnivorous diet seems adapt to supply that much energy, however here is the issue: you state they live in a desert.



Large animals in the desert are rare or even absent, and smaller animals, though present, are scattered around.



For this it would be better a hunting strategy similar to whales: ingest and filter large amounts of medium (water for the whales, sand for the worms), capturing all the edible content.



Additional issue: in a desert with such a massive body heat dissipation might be an issue. Therefore a more lean body might be helpful.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$








  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Aerated sand behaves almost like liquid, and something that size would be able to make a very loud noise, like whalesong. A suffciently powerful rumble might allow them to vibrate and agitate the sand, at which point their sheer weight could cause them to simply sink into it, or they could sort of "swim" through it. Once buried, they would be shaded from the sun, and if the deeper layers of sand are damp, then the moisture would help them cool off. Sand's heat capacity is about 20% of water's, so while cool sand could work, even a little moisture would make it much more effective for cooling.
    $endgroup$
    – anaximander
    Jul 8 at 9:31










  • $begingroup$
    @anaximander That is a really interesting point, and probably worth writing up as an answer. Using noise to aerate the sand does rather interfere with the stealth hunter concept though.
    $endgroup$
    – Paul Johnson
    Jul 9 at 16:38













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$begingroup$

4 meters high and wide and stretching to lengths between 10 to 30 meters is a huge beast.



Having to burrow in the sand to move takes quite some energy, as it requires displacing a dense medium. Plus ambushing the prey is another additional effort.



A carnivorous diet seems adapt to supply that much energy, however here is the issue: you state they live in a desert.



Large animals in the desert are rare or even absent, and smaller animals, though present, are scattered around.



For this it would be better a hunting strategy similar to whales: ingest and filter large amounts of medium (water for the whales, sand for the worms), capturing all the edible content.



Additional issue: in a desert with such a massive body heat dissipation might be an issue. Therefore a more lean body might be helpful.






share|improve this answer









$endgroup$



4 meters high and wide and stretching to lengths between 10 to 30 meters is a huge beast.



Having to burrow in the sand to move takes quite some energy, as it requires displacing a dense medium. Plus ambushing the prey is another additional effort.



A carnivorous diet seems adapt to supply that much energy, however here is the issue: you state they live in a desert.



Large animals in the desert are rare or even absent, and smaller animals, though present, are scattered around.



For this it would be better a hunting strategy similar to whales: ingest and filter large amounts of medium (water for the whales, sand for the worms), capturing all the edible content.



Additional issue: in a desert with such a massive body heat dissipation might be an issue. Therefore a more lean body might be helpful.







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    Aerated sand behaves almost like liquid, and something that size would be able to make a very loud noise, like whalesong. A suffciently powerful rumble might allow them to vibrate and agitate the sand, at which point their sheer weight could cause them to simply sink into it, or they could sort of "swim" through it. Once buried, they would be shaded from the sun, and if the deeper layers of sand are damp, then the moisture would help them cool off. Sand's heat capacity is about 20% of water's, so while cool sand could work, even a little moisture would make it much more effective for cooling.
    $endgroup$
    – anaximander
    Jul 8 at 9:31










  • $begingroup$
    @anaximander That is a really interesting point, and probably worth writing up as an answer. Using noise to aerate the sand does rather interfere with the stealth hunter concept though.
    $endgroup$
    – Paul Johnson
    Jul 9 at 16:38












  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Aerated sand behaves almost like liquid, and something that size would be able to make a very loud noise, like whalesong. A suffciently powerful rumble might allow them to vibrate and agitate the sand, at which point their sheer weight could cause them to simply sink into it, or they could sort of "swim" through it. Once buried, they would be shaded from the sun, and if the deeper layers of sand are damp, then the moisture would help them cool off. Sand's heat capacity is about 20% of water's, so while cool sand could work, even a little moisture would make it much more effective for cooling.
    $endgroup$
    – anaximander
    Jul 8 at 9:31










  • $begingroup$
    @anaximander That is a really interesting point, and probably worth writing up as an answer. Using noise to aerate the sand does rather interfere with the stealth hunter concept though.
    $endgroup$
    – Paul Johnson
    Jul 9 at 16:38







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$begingroup$
Aerated sand behaves almost like liquid, and something that size would be able to make a very loud noise, like whalesong. A suffciently powerful rumble might allow them to vibrate and agitate the sand, at which point their sheer weight could cause them to simply sink into it, or they could sort of "swim" through it. Once buried, they would be shaded from the sun, and if the deeper layers of sand are damp, then the moisture would help them cool off. Sand's heat capacity is about 20% of water's, so while cool sand could work, even a little moisture would make it much more effective for cooling.
$endgroup$
– anaximander
Jul 8 at 9:31




$begingroup$
Aerated sand behaves almost like liquid, and something that size would be able to make a very loud noise, like whalesong. A suffciently powerful rumble might allow them to vibrate and agitate the sand, at which point their sheer weight could cause them to simply sink into it, or they could sort of "swim" through it. Once buried, they would be shaded from the sun, and if the deeper layers of sand are damp, then the moisture would help them cool off. Sand's heat capacity is about 20% of water's, so while cool sand could work, even a little moisture would make it much more effective for cooling.
$endgroup$
– anaximander
Jul 8 at 9:31












$begingroup$
@anaximander That is a really interesting point, and probably worth writing up as an answer. Using noise to aerate the sand does rather interfere with the stealth hunter concept though.
$endgroup$
– Paul Johnson
Jul 9 at 16:38




$begingroup$
@anaximander That is a really interesting point, and probably worth writing up as an answer. Using noise to aerate the sand does rather interfere with the stealth hunter concept though.
$endgroup$
– Paul Johnson
Jul 9 at 16:38











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A carnivorous worm is not unlike a snake and we have data about what snakes eat (they're all carnivores).



Giant snakes may only eat 4 to 6 times yearly. (ref) And snakes can lower their metabolic rates, become more protein efficient, and survive months without any food at all. Though most snakes eat every 5-14 days.



The largest snake in the world is the giant anaconda (Eunectes murinus). They weigh about 550 pounds (250 kilos), average 17 feet (just over 5 meters) in length, and can have a circumference of 3 feet (just under a meter, which is about 1/3 of a meter in diameter).



This snake has a volume of about .44 cubic meters. Your creature has a volume of 125 to 375 cubic meters (assume 4 meters diameter and 10-30 meters in length...which is very very thick and not very wormlike, especially at shorter lengths).



If volume is proportional to caloric needs, your worm would need at least 284 times the calories of a giant anaconda. It's not really proportional though, so the actual need for your worm would be less. Let's round down to 200 times.



A giant anaconda can go months between meals, especially a large meal like a deer (120 lbs. (54 kg)). If we assume a giant anaconda eats 480 pounds (218 kg) of live prey a year, this would mean something in the ballpark of 96,000 pounds (43545 kg) a year for your worm.



So something in the vicinity of one of the following (or a combination):



  • 800 deer (or humans, average weight 120 lbs).

  • 60 cows (female average weight 1600 lbs).

  • 40 bulls (male average weight 2400 lbs).

These are just estimates. I haven't found exact feeding requirements for giant snakes, we don't know how caloric needs scale up with mythical creatures, and we don't know how the caloric needs of a giant worm compare with a snake. But the order of magnitude should be right.



This is pretty doable for worms in an environment with lots of prey and not a lot of competition for it. But in the desert? That is rough. What other animals are there they could eat? That is what you need to answer. If you assume herds of roving flocks, and very few worms, you're good.



As for time between meals, they could rest for a long time after large meals but, given how much they have to eat (because there aren't other animals big enough to sustain them for a meal), they wouldn't rest too much. Weeks vs months.



Note that sometimes giant snakes eat each other. This isn't sustainable of course but it could reduce competition and keep a worm alive another several months.






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    I'll hazard a guess that anacondas will expend less energy on motion than a 4m wide thing that needs to dig through the ground.
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    – Starfish Prime
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    @StarfishPrime You're probably right. Though some sand is easy to push through and anacondas often live in water, which has its own challenges.
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    – Cyn
    Jul 7 at 18:56










  • $begingroup$
    light, windblown surface sand is easy to dig through, but you don't have to go very deep before the weight of sand above you becomes quite difficult to deal with. Water depth places limits on survivability (via distance and pressure), but not on movement. Or to cheat and sidestep the problem; living and moving through water is a largely solved problem for one version of metazoa or another, with a huge variety of sizes and lifestyles and diets on offer. Tunnelling on the other hand is more more constrained, especially when it comes to size or depth.
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    – Starfish Prime
    Jul 7 at 19:21







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    $begingroup$
    If there was an elephant-like creature who lived in less harsh environments neighbouring the desert, but migrated across the desert and back on a seasonal basis, then the worm could snag a half-dozen elephants, sleep for six months, and then grab another handful on their way back. Nine or ten elephants would meet your estimated food needs for the year. I'm thinking of something like crocodiles grabbing wildebeest crossing the rivers in the Serengeti, except with enormous sandworms.
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    @anaximander Somehow I didn't think of elephants. They'd probably fit too, at least the smaller ones. 6000 lbs for an African forest elephant. 12000 for Asian, 13000 for African bush. The criterion is the creature can't be wider than the snake's jaws, but this is one insanely wide snake...er worm.
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A carnivorous worm is not unlike a snake and we have data about what snakes eat (they're all carnivores).



Giant snakes may only eat 4 to 6 times yearly. (ref) And snakes can lower their metabolic rates, become more protein efficient, and survive months without any food at all. Though most snakes eat every 5-14 days.



The largest snake in the world is the giant anaconda (Eunectes murinus). They weigh about 550 pounds (250 kilos), average 17 feet (just over 5 meters) in length, and can have a circumference of 3 feet (just under a meter, which is about 1/3 of a meter in diameter).



This snake has a volume of about .44 cubic meters. Your creature has a volume of 125 to 375 cubic meters (assume 4 meters diameter and 10-30 meters in length...which is very very thick and not very wormlike, especially at shorter lengths).



If volume is proportional to caloric needs, your worm would need at least 284 times the calories of a giant anaconda. It's not really proportional though, so the actual need for your worm would be less. Let's round down to 200 times.



A giant anaconda can go months between meals, especially a large meal like a deer (120 lbs. (54 kg)). If we assume a giant anaconda eats 480 pounds (218 kg) of live prey a year, this would mean something in the ballpark of 96,000 pounds (43545 kg) a year for your worm.



So something in the vicinity of one of the following (or a combination):



  • 800 deer (or humans, average weight 120 lbs).

  • 60 cows (female average weight 1600 lbs).

  • 40 bulls (male average weight 2400 lbs).

These are just estimates. I haven't found exact feeding requirements for giant snakes, we don't know how caloric needs scale up with mythical creatures, and we don't know how the caloric needs of a giant worm compare with a snake. But the order of magnitude should be right.



This is pretty doable for worms in an environment with lots of prey and not a lot of competition for it. But in the desert? That is rough. What other animals are there they could eat? That is what you need to answer. If you assume herds of roving flocks, and very few worms, you're good.



As for time between meals, they could rest for a long time after large meals but, given how much they have to eat (because there aren't other animals big enough to sustain them for a meal), they wouldn't rest too much. Weeks vs months.



Note that sometimes giant snakes eat each other. This isn't sustainable of course but it could reduce competition and keep a worm alive another several months.






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  • $begingroup$
    I'll hazard a guess that anacondas will expend less energy on motion than a 4m wide thing that needs to dig through the ground.
    $endgroup$
    – Starfish Prime
    Jul 7 at 18:48










  • $begingroup$
    @StarfishPrime You're probably right. Though some sand is easy to push through and anacondas often live in water, which has its own challenges.
    $endgroup$
    – Cyn
    Jul 7 at 18:56










  • $begingroup$
    light, windblown surface sand is easy to dig through, but you don't have to go very deep before the weight of sand above you becomes quite difficult to deal with. Water depth places limits on survivability (via distance and pressure), but not on movement. Or to cheat and sidestep the problem; living and moving through water is a largely solved problem for one version of metazoa or another, with a huge variety of sizes and lifestyles and diets on offer. Tunnelling on the other hand is more more constrained, especially when it comes to size or depth.
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    – Starfish Prime
    Jul 7 at 19:21







  • 3




    $begingroup$
    If there was an elephant-like creature who lived in less harsh environments neighbouring the desert, but migrated across the desert and back on a seasonal basis, then the worm could snag a half-dozen elephants, sleep for six months, and then grab another handful on their way back. Nine or ten elephants would meet your estimated food needs for the year. I'm thinking of something like crocodiles grabbing wildebeest crossing the rivers in the Serengeti, except with enormous sandworms.
    $endgroup$
    – anaximander
    Jul 8 at 9:39










  • $begingroup$
    @anaximander Somehow I didn't think of elephants. They'd probably fit too, at least the smaller ones. 6000 lbs for an African forest elephant. 12000 for Asian, 13000 for African bush. The criterion is the creature can't be wider than the snake's jaws, but this is one insanely wide snake...er worm.
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    – Cyn
    Jul 8 at 15:21














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A carnivorous worm is not unlike a snake and we have data about what snakes eat (they're all carnivores).



Giant snakes may only eat 4 to 6 times yearly. (ref) And snakes can lower their metabolic rates, become more protein efficient, and survive months without any food at all. Though most snakes eat every 5-14 days.



The largest snake in the world is the giant anaconda (Eunectes murinus). They weigh about 550 pounds (250 kilos), average 17 feet (just over 5 meters) in length, and can have a circumference of 3 feet (just under a meter, which is about 1/3 of a meter in diameter).



This snake has a volume of about .44 cubic meters. Your creature has a volume of 125 to 375 cubic meters (assume 4 meters diameter and 10-30 meters in length...which is very very thick and not very wormlike, especially at shorter lengths).



If volume is proportional to caloric needs, your worm would need at least 284 times the calories of a giant anaconda. It's not really proportional though, so the actual need for your worm would be less. Let's round down to 200 times.



A giant anaconda can go months between meals, especially a large meal like a deer (120 lbs. (54 kg)). If we assume a giant anaconda eats 480 pounds (218 kg) of live prey a year, this would mean something in the ballpark of 96,000 pounds (43545 kg) a year for your worm.



So something in the vicinity of one of the following (or a combination):



  • 800 deer (or humans, average weight 120 lbs).

  • 60 cows (female average weight 1600 lbs).

  • 40 bulls (male average weight 2400 lbs).

These are just estimates. I haven't found exact feeding requirements for giant snakes, we don't know how caloric needs scale up with mythical creatures, and we don't know how the caloric needs of a giant worm compare with a snake. But the order of magnitude should be right.



This is pretty doable for worms in an environment with lots of prey and not a lot of competition for it. But in the desert? That is rough. What other animals are there they could eat? That is what you need to answer. If you assume herds of roving flocks, and very few worms, you're good.



As for time between meals, they could rest for a long time after large meals but, given how much they have to eat (because there aren't other animals big enough to sustain them for a meal), they wouldn't rest too much. Weeks vs months.



Note that sometimes giant snakes eat each other. This isn't sustainable of course but it could reduce competition and keep a worm alive another several months.






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A carnivorous worm is not unlike a snake and we have data about what snakes eat (they're all carnivores).



Giant snakes may only eat 4 to 6 times yearly. (ref) And snakes can lower their metabolic rates, become more protein efficient, and survive months without any food at all. Though most snakes eat every 5-14 days.



The largest snake in the world is the giant anaconda (Eunectes murinus). They weigh about 550 pounds (250 kilos), average 17 feet (just over 5 meters) in length, and can have a circumference of 3 feet (just under a meter, which is about 1/3 of a meter in diameter).



This snake has a volume of about .44 cubic meters. Your creature has a volume of 125 to 375 cubic meters (assume 4 meters diameter and 10-30 meters in length...which is very very thick and not very wormlike, especially at shorter lengths).



If volume is proportional to caloric needs, your worm would need at least 284 times the calories of a giant anaconda. It's not really proportional though, so the actual need for your worm would be less. Let's round down to 200 times.



A giant anaconda can go months between meals, especially a large meal like a deer (120 lbs. (54 kg)). If we assume a giant anaconda eats 480 pounds (218 kg) of live prey a year, this would mean something in the ballpark of 96,000 pounds (43545 kg) a year for your worm.



So something in the vicinity of one of the following (or a combination):



  • 800 deer (or humans, average weight 120 lbs).

  • 60 cows (female average weight 1600 lbs).

  • 40 bulls (male average weight 2400 lbs).

These are just estimates. I haven't found exact feeding requirements for giant snakes, we don't know how caloric needs scale up with mythical creatures, and we don't know how the caloric needs of a giant worm compare with a snake. But the order of magnitude should be right.



This is pretty doable for worms in an environment with lots of prey and not a lot of competition for it. But in the desert? That is rough. What other animals are there they could eat? That is what you need to answer. If you assume herds of roving flocks, and very few worms, you're good.



As for time between meals, they could rest for a long time after large meals but, given how much they have to eat (because there aren't other animals big enough to sustain them for a meal), they wouldn't rest too much. Weeks vs months.



Note that sometimes giant snakes eat each other. This isn't sustainable of course but it could reduce competition and keep a worm alive another several months.







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    I'll hazard a guess that anacondas will expend less energy on motion than a 4m wide thing that needs to dig through the ground.
    $endgroup$
    – Starfish Prime
    Jul 7 at 18:48










  • $begingroup$
    @StarfishPrime You're probably right. Though some sand is easy to push through and anacondas often live in water, which has its own challenges.
    $endgroup$
    – Cyn
    Jul 7 at 18:56










  • $begingroup$
    light, windblown surface sand is easy to dig through, but you don't have to go very deep before the weight of sand above you becomes quite difficult to deal with. Water depth places limits on survivability (via distance and pressure), but not on movement. Or to cheat and sidestep the problem; living and moving through water is a largely solved problem for one version of metazoa or another, with a huge variety of sizes and lifestyles and diets on offer. Tunnelling on the other hand is more more constrained, especially when it comes to size or depth.
    $endgroup$
    – Starfish Prime
    Jul 7 at 19:21







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    If there was an elephant-like creature who lived in less harsh environments neighbouring the desert, but migrated across the desert and back on a seasonal basis, then the worm could snag a half-dozen elephants, sleep for six months, and then grab another handful on their way back. Nine or ten elephants would meet your estimated food needs for the year. I'm thinking of something like crocodiles grabbing wildebeest crossing the rivers in the Serengeti, except with enormous sandworms.
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    – anaximander
    Jul 8 at 9:39










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    @anaximander Somehow I didn't think of elephants. They'd probably fit too, at least the smaller ones. 6000 lbs for an African forest elephant. 12000 for Asian, 13000 for African bush. The criterion is the creature can't be wider than the snake's jaws, but this is one insanely wide snake...er worm.
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    I'll hazard a guess that anacondas will expend less energy on motion than a 4m wide thing that needs to dig through the ground.
    $endgroup$
    – Starfish Prime
    Jul 7 at 18:48










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    @StarfishPrime You're probably right. Though some sand is easy to push through and anacondas often live in water, which has its own challenges.
    $endgroup$
    – Cyn
    Jul 7 at 18:56










  • $begingroup$
    light, windblown surface sand is easy to dig through, but you don't have to go very deep before the weight of sand above you becomes quite difficult to deal with. Water depth places limits on survivability (via distance and pressure), but not on movement. Or to cheat and sidestep the problem; living and moving through water is a largely solved problem for one version of metazoa or another, with a huge variety of sizes and lifestyles and diets on offer. Tunnelling on the other hand is more more constrained, especially when it comes to size or depth.
    $endgroup$
    – Starfish Prime
    Jul 7 at 19:21







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    $begingroup$
    If there was an elephant-like creature who lived in less harsh environments neighbouring the desert, but migrated across the desert and back on a seasonal basis, then the worm could snag a half-dozen elephants, sleep for six months, and then grab another handful on their way back. Nine or ten elephants would meet your estimated food needs for the year. I'm thinking of something like crocodiles grabbing wildebeest crossing the rivers in the Serengeti, except with enormous sandworms.
    $endgroup$
    – anaximander
    Jul 8 at 9:39










  • $begingroup$
    @anaximander Somehow I didn't think of elephants. They'd probably fit too, at least the smaller ones. 6000 lbs for an African forest elephant. 12000 for Asian, 13000 for African bush. The criterion is the creature can't be wider than the snake's jaws, but this is one insanely wide snake...er worm.
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    Jul 8 at 15:21
















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I'll hazard a guess that anacondas will expend less energy on motion than a 4m wide thing that needs to dig through the ground.
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– Starfish Prime
Jul 7 at 18:48




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I'll hazard a guess that anacondas will expend less energy on motion than a 4m wide thing that needs to dig through the ground.
$endgroup$
– Starfish Prime
Jul 7 at 18:48












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@StarfishPrime You're probably right. Though some sand is easy to push through and anacondas often live in water, which has its own challenges.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
Jul 7 at 18:56




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@StarfishPrime You're probably right. Though some sand is easy to push through and anacondas often live in water, which has its own challenges.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
Jul 7 at 18:56












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light, windblown surface sand is easy to dig through, but you don't have to go very deep before the weight of sand above you becomes quite difficult to deal with. Water depth places limits on survivability (via distance and pressure), but not on movement. Or to cheat and sidestep the problem; living and moving through water is a largely solved problem for one version of metazoa or another, with a huge variety of sizes and lifestyles and diets on offer. Tunnelling on the other hand is more more constrained, especially when it comes to size or depth.
$endgroup$
– Starfish Prime
Jul 7 at 19:21





$begingroup$
light, windblown surface sand is easy to dig through, but you don't have to go very deep before the weight of sand above you becomes quite difficult to deal with. Water depth places limits on survivability (via distance and pressure), but not on movement. Or to cheat and sidestep the problem; living and moving through water is a largely solved problem for one version of metazoa or another, with a huge variety of sizes and lifestyles and diets on offer. Tunnelling on the other hand is more more constrained, especially when it comes to size or depth.
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If there was an elephant-like creature who lived in less harsh environments neighbouring the desert, but migrated across the desert and back on a seasonal basis, then the worm could snag a half-dozen elephants, sleep for six months, and then grab another handful on their way back. Nine or ten elephants would meet your estimated food needs for the year. I'm thinking of something like crocodiles grabbing wildebeest crossing the rivers in the Serengeti, except with enormous sandworms.
$endgroup$
– anaximander
Jul 8 at 9:39




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If there was an elephant-like creature who lived in less harsh environments neighbouring the desert, but migrated across the desert and back on a seasonal basis, then the worm could snag a half-dozen elephants, sleep for six months, and then grab another handful on their way back. Nine or ten elephants would meet your estimated food needs for the year. I'm thinking of something like crocodiles grabbing wildebeest crossing the rivers in the Serengeti, except with enormous sandworms.
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@anaximander Somehow I didn't think of elephants. They'd probably fit too, at least the smaller ones. 6000 lbs for an African forest elephant. 12000 for Asian, 13000 for African bush. The criterion is the creature can't be wider than the snake's jaws, but this is one insanely wide snake...er worm.
$endgroup$
– Cyn
Jul 8 at 15:21





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@anaximander Somehow I didn't think of elephants. They'd probably fit too, at least the smaller ones. 6000 lbs for an African forest elephant. 12000 for Asian, 13000 for African bush. The criterion is the creature can't be wider than the snake's jaws, but this is one insanely wide snake...er worm.
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There are already some good answers here, but I want to explore an issue which hasn't been covered yet. The biggest problem you have with your worms is not their size per se; it's the fact that they are cold blooded creatures in a desert.



Cold blooded animals have a metabolism that is in sync with the ambient temperature; that is to say, colder animals are more sluggish and eat less. Warmer ones are much more active and their appetites increase to match.



Crocodiles for example can get away with eating as little as a couple of Kgs of meat a day, but then they spend a lot of their time in water. Sharks too would eat a lot more if they weren't in a cold environment. It's believed that a T-Rex would have eaten around half a metric tonne of meat every day.



But, your worm has three issues that a T-Rex didn't have to deal with. It's literally burrowing through the sand to get anywhere (takes a lot more energy than walking), it's in a desert meaning that during the day it's very hot and it's even bigger again than the T-Rex, meaning that it doesn't make a good ambush predator; it can't leap out of the sand for instance because it would be fighting the square cube law (it jumps / carries / runs a smaller percentage of its body size as it scales up).



But, is it possible?



Well, your worm is going to need a lot of those Banthas you describe. That means they're likely solitary animals with massive territories to protect. That's because the desert is going to struggle to keep the water and food supplies available for large herds of Banthas or any other creature. But, that soon becomes a losing proposition as it's likely that your worm is going to spend more energy getting between creatures in the heat than it gets from the next Bantha. So, I don't think that a carnivorous worm in a desert would survive on that diet alone, no. If it did, then it would eat that huge meal all at once like a snake.



In point of fact if you're going to do it, you have to end up with something that works a lot like a snake on all fronts. That's far more likely than a worm. For a start, the scales of a snake are far more likely to protect the creature from the sand leaching out the moisture through the skin and if it's truly carnivorous, you'll need a brain and eyes and the like, none of which a worm has. Especially if you're looking for something that can catch meat rather than surviving as a carrion eater.






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    I got an image of a giant worm/snake encircling a herd of banthas on the surface, trapping them in and eating them one at a time. Then this image was quickly replaced with the game slither.io and became silly. Especially when you think of the "awesome face" snake.
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There are already some good answers here, but I want to explore an issue which hasn't been covered yet. The biggest problem you have with your worms is not their size per se; it's the fact that they are cold blooded creatures in a desert.



Cold blooded animals have a metabolism that is in sync with the ambient temperature; that is to say, colder animals are more sluggish and eat less. Warmer ones are much more active and their appetites increase to match.



Crocodiles for example can get away with eating as little as a couple of Kgs of meat a day, but then they spend a lot of their time in water. Sharks too would eat a lot more if they weren't in a cold environment. It's believed that a T-Rex would have eaten around half a metric tonne of meat every day.



But, your worm has three issues that a T-Rex didn't have to deal with. It's literally burrowing through the sand to get anywhere (takes a lot more energy than walking), it's in a desert meaning that during the day it's very hot and it's even bigger again than the T-Rex, meaning that it doesn't make a good ambush predator; it can't leap out of the sand for instance because it would be fighting the square cube law (it jumps / carries / runs a smaller percentage of its body size as it scales up).



But, is it possible?



Well, your worm is going to need a lot of those Banthas you describe. That means they're likely solitary animals with massive territories to protect. That's because the desert is going to struggle to keep the water and food supplies available for large herds of Banthas or any other creature. But, that soon becomes a losing proposition as it's likely that your worm is going to spend more energy getting between creatures in the heat than it gets from the next Bantha. So, I don't think that a carnivorous worm in a desert would survive on that diet alone, no. If it did, then it would eat that huge meal all at once like a snake.



In point of fact if you're going to do it, you have to end up with something that works a lot like a snake on all fronts. That's far more likely than a worm. For a start, the scales of a snake are far more likely to protect the creature from the sand leaching out the moisture through the skin and if it's truly carnivorous, you'll need a brain and eyes and the like, none of which a worm has. Especially if you're looking for something that can catch meat rather than surviving as a carrion eater.






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    I got an image of a giant worm/snake encircling a herd of banthas on the surface, trapping them in and eating them one at a time. Then this image was quickly replaced with the game slither.io and became silly. Especially when you think of the "awesome face" snake.
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$begingroup$

There are already some good answers here, but I want to explore an issue which hasn't been covered yet. The biggest problem you have with your worms is not their size per se; it's the fact that they are cold blooded creatures in a desert.



Cold blooded animals have a metabolism that is in sync with the ambient temperature; that is to say, colder animals are more sluggish and eat less. Warmer ones are much more active and their appetites increase to match.



Crocodiles for example can get away with eating as little as a couple of Kgs of meat a day, but then they spend a lot of their time in water. Sharks too would eat a lot more if they weren't in a cold environment. It's believed that a T-Rex would have eaten around half a metric tonne of meat every day.



But, your worm has three issues that a T-Rex didn't have to deal with. It's literally burrowing through the sand to get anywhere (takes a lot more energy than walking), it's in a desert meaning that during the day it's very hot and it's even bigger again than the T-Rex, meaning that it doesn't make a good ambush predator; it can't leap out of the sand for instance because it would be fighting the square cube law (it jumps / carries / runs a smaller percentage of its body size as it scales up).



But, is it possible?



Well, your worm is going to need a lot of those Banthas you describe. That means they're likely solitary animals with massive territories to protect. That's because the desert is going to struggle to keep the water and food supplies available for large herds of Banthas or any other creature. But, that soon becomes a losing proposition as it's likely that your worm is going to spend more energy getting between creatures in the heat than it gets from the next Bantha. So, I don't think that a carnivorous worm in a desert would survive on that diet alone, no. If it did, then it would eat that huge meal all at once like a snake.



In point of fact if you're going to do it, you have to end up with something that works a lot like a snake on all fronts. That's far more likely than a worm. For a start, the scales of a snake are far more likely to protect the creature from the sand leaching out the moisture through the skin and if it's truly carnivorous, you'll need a brain and eyes and the like, none of which a worm has. Especially if you're looking for something that can catch meat rather than surviving as a carrion eater.






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There are already some good answers here, but I want to explore an issue which hasn't been covered yet. The biggest problem you have with your worms is not their size per se; it's the fact that they are cold blooded creatures in a desert.



Cold blooded animals have a metabolism that is in sync with the ambient temperature; that is to say, colder animals are more sluggish and eat less. Warmer ones are much more active and their appetites increase to match.



Crocodiles for example can get away with eating as little as a couple of Kgs of meat a day, but then they spend a lot of their time in water. Sharks too would eat a lot more if they weren't in a cold environment. It's believed that a T-Rex would have eaten around half a metric tonne of meat every day.



But, your worm has three issues that a T-Rex didn't have to deal with. It's literally burrowing through the sand to get anywhere (takes a lot more energy than walking), it's in a desert meaning that during the day it's very hot and it's even bigger again than the T-Rex, meaning that it doesn't make a good ambush predator; it can't leap out of the sand for instance because it would be fighting the square cube law (it jumps / carries / runs a smaller percentage of its body size as it scales up).



But, is it possible?



Well, your worm is going to need a lot of those Banthas you describe. That means they're likely solitary animals with massive territories to protect. That's because the desert is going to struggle to keep the water and food supplies available for large herds of Banthas or any other creature. But, that soon becomes a losing proposition as it's likely that your worm is going to spend more energy getting between creatures in the heat than it gets from the next Bantha. So, I don't think that a carnivorous worm in a desert would survive on that diet alone, no. If it did, then it would eat that huge meal all at once like a snake.



In point of fact if you're going to do it, you have to end up with something that works a lot like a snake on all fronts. That's far more likely than a worm. For a start, the scales of a snake are far more likely to protect the creature from the sand leaching out the moisture through the skin and if it's truly carnivorous, you'll need a brain and eyes and the like, none of which a worm has. Especially if you're looking for something that can catch meat rather than surviving as a carrion eater.







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    I got an image of a giant worm/snake encircling a herd of banthas on the surface, trapping them in and eating them one at a time. Then this image was quickly replaced with the game slither.io and became silly. Especially when you think of the "awesome face" snake.
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    I got an image of a giant worm/snake encircling a herd of banthas on the surface, trapping them in and eating them one at a time. Then this image was quickly replaced with the game slither.io and became silly. Especially when you think of the "awesome face" snake.
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    – Muuski
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$begingroup$
I got an image of a giant worm/snake encircling a herd of banthas on the surface, trapping them in and eating them one at a time. Then this image was quickly replaced with the game slither.io and became silly. Especially when you think of the "awesome face" snake.
$endgroup$
– Muuski
Jul 8 at 20:04




$begingroup$
I got an image of a giant worm/snake encircling a herd of banthas on the surface, trapping them in and eating them one at a time. Then this image was quickly replaced with the game slither.io and became silly. Especially when you think of the "awesome face" snake.
$endgroup$
– Muuski
Jul 8 at 20:04

















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