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What does Sonny Burch mean by, “S.H.I.E.L.D. and HYDRA don't even exist anymore”?



Unicorn Meta Zoo #1: Why another podcast?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Favourite questions and answers from the 1st quarter of 2019What does the conversation mean?What does Barney say and mean?What does Mycroft mean when he says “we don't want a repeat of 1972?”What does “Yippee-ki-yay” even mean?What does Steve Rogers mean in this dialogue?What does “dig for diamonds” mean?What does Camerlengo mean in Angels and Demons?What exactly does “heda” mean?What does “CDE” mean?S.H.I.E.L.D. and HYDRA in MCU










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In Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018), Sonny Burch says these words to Hope, who is expecting the component from him:




Sonny Burch: My business landscape has been shifting, Hope. Hell,
S.H.I.E.L.D. and HYDRA don't even exist anymore... but now, Hank
Pym...Hank Pym is a real opportunity.




We see SHIELD in many Marvel movies. Why did he say it like that?










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    In Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018), Sonny Burch says these words to Hope, who is expecting the component from him:




    Sonny Burch: My business landscape has been shifting, Hope. Hell,
    S.H.I.E.L.D. and HYDRA don't even exist anymore... but now, Hank
    Pym...Hank Pym is a real opportunity.




    We see SHIELD in many Marvel movies. Why did he say it like that?










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      In Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018), Sonny Burch says these words to Hope, who is expecting the component from him:




      Sonny Burch: My business landscape has been shifting, Hope. Hell,
      S.H.I.E.L.D. and HYDRA don't even exist anymore... but now, Hank
      Pym...Hank Pym is a real opportunity.




      We see SHIELD in many Marvel movies. Why did he say it like that?










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      In Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018), Sonny Burch says these words to Hope, who is expecting the component from him:




      Sonny Burch: My business landscape has been shifting, Hope. Hell,
      S.H.I.E.L.D. and HYDRA don't even exist anymore... but now, Hank
      Pym...Hank Pym is a real opportunity.




      We see SHIELD in many Marvel movies. Why did he say it like that?







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          He says it because it's pretty much true at that point in the timeline, in that they are shadows of their former selves, nowhere near the size and scope they both once held.



          S.H.I.E.L.D. is pretty much in disarray after the events of The Winter Soldier, in which we learn Hydra agents were able to infiltrate the agency in an effort to use their resources to finally push humanity into giving up their freedom, which Hydra learned years ago they couldn't force. While the mid-credits scene seems to show Hydra still exists, they're seemingly operating on a much smaller and possibly more focused basis.



          As such, saying they don't exist anymore could be taken to mean they don't exist at a level that they matter or are viable options to work with anymore. Burch is a big arms dealer, so if they're not able to come through financially the way the once did, and thus in his mind they simply don't exist and aren't worth bothering with.






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            There is also the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., where the eponymous agency pretty much makes it their business to stomp out what remains of Hydra.

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            2 days ago











          • @Harper and where the eponymous agency consists of less than ten people at one point.

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            2 days ago











          • @OrangeDog In their splinter group. They occasionally discover others...

            – Harper
            yesterday











          • @Harper yes, and at one point there are less than ten total - all the others having been killed or disbanded.

            – OrangeDog
            yesterday


















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          He says it because it's pretty much true at that point in the timeline, in that they are shadows of their former selves, nowhere near the size and scope they both once held.



          S.H.I.E.L.D. is pretty much in disarray after the events of The Winter Soldier, in which we learn Hydra agents were able to infiltrate the agency in an effort to use their resources to finally push humanity into giving up their freedom, which Hydra learned years ago they couldn't force. While the mid-credits scene seems to show Hydra still exists, they're seemingly operating on a much smaller and possibly more focused basis.



          As such, saying they don't exist anymore could be taken to mean they don't exist at a level that they matter or are viable options to work with anymore. Burch is a big arms dealer, so if they're not able to come through financially the way the once did, and thus in his mind they simply don't exist and aren't worth bothering with.






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            There is also the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., where the eponymous agency pretty much makes it their business to stomp out what remains of Hydra.

            – Harper
            2 days ago











          • @Harper and where the eponymous agency consists of less than ten people at one point.

            – OrangeDog
            2 days ago











          • @OrangeDog In their splinter group. They occasionally discover others...

            – Harper
            yesterday











          • @Harper yes, and at one point there are less than ten total - all the others having been killed or disbanded.

            – OrangeDog
            yesterday















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          He says it because it's pretty much true at that point in the timeline, in that they are shadows of their former selves, nowhere near the size and scope they both once held.



          S.H.I.E.L.D. is pretty much in disarray after the events of The Winter Soldier, in which we learn Hydra agents were able to infiltrate the agency in an effort to use their resources to finally push humanity into giving up their freedom, which Hydra learned years ago they couldn't force. While the mid-credits scene seems to show Hydra still exists, they're seemingly operating on a much smaller and possibly more focused basis.



          As such, saying they don't exist anymore could be taken to mean they don't exist at a level that they matter or are viable options to work with anymore. Burch is a big arms dealer, so if they're not able to come through financially the way the once did, and thus in his mind they simply don't exist and aren't worth bothering with.






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            There is also the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., where the eponymous agency pretty much makes it their business to stomp out what remains of Hydra.

            – Harper
            2 days ago











          • @Harper and where the eponymous agency consists of less than ten people at one point.

            – OrangeDog
            2 days ago











          • @OrangeDog In their splinter group. They occasionally discover others...

            – Harper
            yesterday











          • @Harper yes, and at one point there are less than ten total - all the others having been killed or disbanded.

            – OrangeDog
            yesterday













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          He says it because it's pretty much true at that point in the timeline, in that they are shadows of their former selves, nowhere near the size and scope they both once held.



          S.H.I.E.L.D. is pretty much in disarray after the events of The Winter Soldier, in which we learn Hydra agents were able to infiltrate the agency in an effort to use their resources to finally push humanity into giving up their freedom, which Hydra learned years ago they couldn't force. While the mid-credits scene seems to show Hydra still exists, they're seemingly operating on a much smaller and possibly more focused basis.



          As such, saying they don't exist anymore could be taken to mean they don't exist at a level that they matter or are viable options to work with anymore. Burch is a big arms dealer, so if they're not able to come through financially the way the once did, and thus in his mind they simply don't exist and aren't worth bothering with.






          share|improve this answer













          He says it because it's pretty much true at that point in the timeline, in that they are shadows of their former selves, nowhere near the size and scope they both once held.



          S.H.I.E.L.D. is pretty much in disarray after the events of The Winter Soldier, in which we learn Hydra agents were able to infiltrate the agency in an effort to use their resources to finally push humanity into giving up their freedom, which Hydra learned years ago they couldn't force. While the mid-credits scene seems to show Hydra still exists, they're seemingly operating on a much smaller and possibly more focused basis.



          As such, saying they don't exist anymore could be taken to mean they don't exist at a level that they matter or are viable options to work with anymore. Burch is a big arms dealer, so if they're not able to come through financially the way the once did, and thus in his mind they simply don't exist and aren't worth bothering with.







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            There is also the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., where the eponymous agency pretty much makes it their business to stomp out what remains of Hydra.

            – Harper
            2 days ago











          • @Harper and where the eponymous agency consists of less than ten people at one point.

            – OrangeDog
            2 days ago











          • @OrangeDog In their splinter group. They occasionally discover others...

            – Harper
            yesterday











          • @Harper yes, and at one point there are less than ten total - all the others having been killed or disbanded.

            – OrangeDog
            yesterday












          • 2





            There is also the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., where the eponymous agency pretty much makes it their business to stomp out what remains of Hydra.

            – Harper
            2 days ago











          • @Harper and where the eponymous agency consists of less than ten people at one point.

            – OrangeDog
            2 days ago











          • @OrangeDog In their splinter group. They occasionally discover others...

            – Harper
            yesterday











          • @Harper yes, and at one point there are less than ten total - all the others having been killed or disbanded.

            – OrangeDog
            yesterday







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          2





          There is also the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., where the eponymous agency pretty much makes it their business to stomp out what remains of Hydra.

          – Harper
          2 days ago





          There is also the events of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., where the eponymous agency pretty much makes it their business to stomp out what remains of Hydra.

          – Harper
          2 days ago













          @Harper and where the eponymous agency consists of less than ten people at one point.

          – OrangeDog
          2 days ago





          @Harper and where the eponymous agency consists of less than ten people at one point.

          – OrangeDog
          2 days ago













          @OrangeDog In their splinter group. They occasionally discover others...

          – Harper
          yesterday





          @OrangeDog In their splinter group. They occasionally discover others...

          – Harper
          yesterday













          @Harper yes, and at one point there are less than ten total - all the others having been killed or disbanded.

          – OrangeDog
          yesterday





          @Harper yes, and at one point there are less than ten total - all the others having been killed or disbanded.

          – OrangeDog
          yesterday



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