Is the US ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) a visa? [duplicate]In practice, what is the distinction between ESTA and visas?Do you need to get a new ESTA when your passport is renewed?Does the 90 days VWP rule expire if you travel from the US to Canada?ESTA approved on the same day as B-1/B-2 visa refusedCan I have multiple valid ESTAs in different passports?From UK to Chile through AtlantaWhilst on ESTA I was stamped a 6 month B2 visa, would this be considered overstaying?UK citizen on ESTA traveling to USA with a land trip to Canada, any problems?In practice, what is the distinction between ESTA and visas?Are ESTA applications being processed during the current (2018/19) US government shutdown?Applying for ESTA, or any travel document (vacation) as an ex US Permanent Resident Card holder

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Is the US ESTA (Electronic System for Travel Authorization) a visa? [duplicate]


In practice, what is the distinction between ESTA and visas?Do you need to get a new ESTA when your passport is renewed?Does the 90 days VWP rule expire if you travel from the US to Canada?ESTA approved on the same day as B-1/B-2 visa refusedCan I have multiple valid ESTAs in different passports?From UK to Chile through AtlantaWhilst on ESTA I was stamped a 6 month B2 visa, would this be considered overstaying?UK citizen on ESTA traveling to USA with a land trip to Canada, any problems?In practice, what is the distinction between ESTA and visas?Are ESTA applications being processed during the current (2018/19) US government shutdown?Applying for ESTA, or any travel document (vacation) as an ex US Permanent Resident Card holder






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An ESTA is a prerequisite to (most) travel to the US if you are a holder a passport from a visa exempt country. The ESTA:



  • Is required in advance of travel (at least 72 hours)

  • Requires a fee

  • Is valid for 2 years

In practice then this just seems to be a multiple entry tourist visa, with the only difference being (according to some sites) that visas are approved electronically instead of by an actual person. Most other visa free schemes I know of literally just require you to show up with the correct type of passport.



Then why is this considered not to be a visa? It just seems to be a justification for the visa-waiver program to not really be visa-free.










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    An ESTA is a prerequisite to (most) travel to the US if you are a holder a passport from a visa exempt country. The ESTA:



    • Is required in advance of travel (at least 72 hours)

    • Requires a fee

    • Is valid for 2 years

    In practice then this just seems to be a multiple entry tourist visa, with the only difference being (according to some sites) that visas are approved electronically instead of by an actual person. Most other visa free schemes I know of literally just require you to show up with the correct type of passport.



    Then why is this considered not to be a visa? It just seems to be a justification for the visa-waiver program to not really be visa-free.










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      An ESTA is a prerequisite to (most) travel to the US if you are a holder a passport from a visa exempt country. The ESTA:



      • Is required in advance of travel (at least 72 hours)

      • Requires a fee

      • Is valid for 2 years

      In practice then this just seems to be a multiple entry tourist visa, with the only difference being (according to some sites) that visas are approved electronically instead of by an actual person. Most other visa free schemes I know of literally just require you to show up with the correct type of passport.



      Then why is this considered not to be a visa? It just seems to be a justification for the visa-waiver program to not really be visa-free.










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      An ESTA is a prerequisite to (most) travel to the US if you are a holder a passport from a visa exempt country. The ESTA:



      • Is required in advance of travel (at least 72 hours)

      • Requires a fee

      • Is valid for 2 years

      In practice then this just seems to be a multiple entry tourist visa, with the only difference being (according to some sites) that visas are approved electronically instead of by an actual person. Most other visa free schemes I know of literally just require you to show up with the correct type of passport.



      Then why is this considered not to be a visa? It just seems to be a justification for the visa-waiver program to not really be visa-free.





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          As the other answers note, from a legal perspective, it's not a visa because US law says a whole bunch of things about visas, and none of them apply to ESTA and the Visa Waiver Program (there are particular differences about one's right to appear before an immigration judge or to change status once you're in the US, for example). An ESTA is also different practically. To get a US visitor visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, etc... From many countries, there's a high rate of refusal. To get an ESTA, you fill out a form online, pay a few bucks, and unless something unusual happens, you're approved automatically. So there are some differences there.



          But there's a broader issue at play. Visas have historically been issued on the basis of reciprocity (with many, many exceptions in the name of making money and foreign relations). For example, the European Union has a visa reciprocity mechanism:




          Visa reciprocity is a fundamental principle of the EU's common visa policy and an objective which the Union pursues in a proactive manner in its relations with non-EU countries. This principle means that the EU, when deciding on lifting the visa requirement for citizens of a non-EU country, takes into consideration whether that non-EU country reciprocally grants visa waiver to nationals of all EU Member States (except the UK and Ireland who do not participate in the common visa policy). The principle also applies to every non-EU country whose citizens already have the right to travel to the Schengen area without a visa.



          The current visa reciprocity mechanism (Regulation (EU) 2018/1806) requires Member States to notify cases when non-EU countries, whose citizens can travel visa free to the EU, require visas for EU nationals. If such a country does not lift the visa requirements within 24 months since the notification by a Member State of a case of non-reciprocity, the Commission can temporarily suspend the visa waiver for 12 months for nationals of that country. In doing so it must take into account the consequences of the suspension of the visa waiver for the external relations of the EU and its Member States.




          In other words, if you impose visa restrictions on us, we'll impose them on you (in reality, that doesn't exactly happen, and you can scroll down in that article to see how, essentially "we're working on it" is used as a cop-out, since ending visa-free access for US citizens visiting Europe is not actually something the EU wants to do).



          When the US started the ESTA program in 2008-2009, it wanted to add an additional pre-screening step to stop certain travelers from even getting on a plane to the US, but it didn't want to upset the entire reciprocity mechanism it has with countries around the world. This wasn't a novel idea—Australia instituted a similar system some years before. So calling it an ESTA and explicitly saying it's not a visa was a way for everyone to save face diplomatically. The US could get its ESTA program, and every other country could give a wink and a nod and say "since you're not imposing a visa requirement on our citizens, we won't impose one on yours." And in subsequent years, more countries have imposed ESTA-like "not a visa" requirements, such as the EU's forthcoming ETIAS system.



          So yes, from the perspective of a traveler, an ESTA looks rather like an easy-to-obtain visa for the reasons that you mention. But from the perspective of a country's government, an ESTA looks dissimilar enough from a visa that the requirement could be imposed without great impact to foreign relations.






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          • To get a US visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, — I did not show up on person, did not have an interview, nor provide biometrics for my US A2 visa. If there was a fairly expensive fee then someone paid that on my behalf without my knowledge.

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          • @gerrit This is generally how it goes in high risk countries. As an example, a US tourist visa costs 160 USD in Mongolia, and requires: a printed copy of your appointment letter, your DS-160 confirmation page, one recent photograph, your current passport and all old passports, together with an in-person scheduled interview at the US embassy, where you cannot enter with any electronic devices (you need to surrender your phone, for example).

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          • @chintogtokh Sure, I'm not denying that it happens, but it's not universally true.

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          From ESTA Frequently Asked Questions:




          What is the difference between an ESTA and a visa?



          An approved travel authorization is not a visa. It does not meet the legal or regulatory requirements to serve in lieu of a United States visa when a visa is required under United States law.




          So, wherever in US law it says things like "visa holder", this wording would not cause those laws to apply to ESTA holders also.



          If somebody were to redesign the US visa scheme from scratch, they would probably find it simpler to have a way to apply for an "electronic visa" online, like many other countries do. But US law is very complicated and perhaps nobody has the energy or will to go through the entire legal system to fix things to make it simpler.






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            As the other answers note, from a legal perspective, it's not a visa because US law says a whole bunch of things about visas, and none of them apply to ESTA and the Visa Waiver Program (there are particular differences about one's right to appear before an immigration judge or to change status once you're in the US, for example). An ESTA is also different practically. To get a US visitor visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, etc... From many countries, there's a high rate of refusal. To get an ESTA, you fill out a form online, pay a few bucks, and unless something unusual happens, you're approved automatically. So there are some differences there.



            But there's a broader issue at play. Visas have historically been issued on the basis of reciprocity (with many, many exceptions in the name of making money and foreign relations). For example, the European Union has a visa reciprocity mechanism:




            Visa reciprocity is a fundamental principle of the EU's common visa policy and an objective which the Union pursues in a proactive manner in its relations with non-EU countries. This principle means that the EU, when deciding on lifting the visa requirement for citizens of a non-EU country, takes into consideration whether that non-EU country reciprocally grants visa waiver to nationals of all EU Member States (except the UK and Ireland who do not participate in the common visa policy). The principle also applies to every non-EU country whose citizens already have the right to travel to the Schengen area without a visa.



            The current visa reciprocity mechanism (Regulation (EU) 2018/1806) requires Member States to notify cases when non-EU countries, whose citizens can travel visa free to the EU, require visas for EU nationals. If such a country does not lift the visa requirements within 24 months since the notification by a Member State of a case of non-reciprocity, the Commission can temporarily suspend the visa waiver for 12 months for nationals of that country. In doing so it must take into account the consequences of the suspension of the visa waiver for the external relations of the EU and its Member States.




            In other words, if you impose visa restrictions on us, we'll impose them on you (in reality, that doesn't exactly happen, and you can scroll down in that article to see how, essentially "we're working on it" is used as a cop-out, since ending visa-free access for US citizens visiting Europe is not actually something the EU wants to do).



            When the US started the ESTA program in 2008-2009, it wanted to add an additional pre-screening step to stop certain travelers from even getting on a plane to the US, but it didn't want to upset the entire reciprocity mechanism it has with countries around the world. This wasn't a novel idea—Australia instituted a similar system some years before. So calling it an ESTA and explicitly saying it's not a visa was a way for everyone to save face diplomatically. The US could get its ESTA program, and every other country could give a wink and a nod and say "since you're not imposing a visa requirement on our citizens, we won't impose one on yours." And in subsequent years, more countries have imposed ESTA-like "not a visa" requirements, such as the EU's forthcoming ETIAS system.



            So yes, from the perspective of a traveler, an ESTA looks rather like an easy-to-obtain visa for the reasons that you mention. But from the perspective of a country's government, an ESTA looks dissimilar enough from a visa that the requirement could be imposed without great impact to foreign relations.






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            • To get a US visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, — I did not show up on person, did not have an interview, nor provide biometrics for my US A2 visa. If there was a fairly expensive fee then someone paid that on my behalf without my knowledge.

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            • @gerrit This is generally how it goes in high risk countries. As an example, a US tourist visa costs 160 USD in Mongolia, and requires: a printed copy of your appointment letter, your DS-160 confirmation page, one recent photograph, your current passport and all old passports, together with an in-person scheduled interview at the US embassy, where you cannot enter with any electronic devices (you need to surrender your phone, for example).

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            • @chintogtokh Sure, I'm not denying that it happens, but it's not universally true.

              – gerrit
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              @gerrit I added the word visitor, since that's the equivalent of entering under the VWP. Diplomatic visas are a rare exception to the usual process and not relevant for most travelers.

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            As the other answers note, from a legal perspective, it's not a visa because US law says a whole bunch of things about visas, and none of them apply to ESTA and the Visa Waiver Program (there are particular differences about one's right to appear before an immigration judge or to change status once you're in the US, for example). An ESTA is also different practically. To get a US visitor visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, etc... From many countries, there's a high rate of refusal. To get an ESTA, you fill out a form online, pay a few bucks, and unless something unusual happens, you're approved automatically. So there are some differences there.



            But there's a broader issue at play. Visas have historically been issued on the basis of reciprocity (with many, many exceptions in the name of making money and foreign relations). For example, the European Union has a visa reciprocity mechanism:




            Visa reciprocity is a fundamental principle of the EU's common visa policy and an objective which the Union pursues in a proactive manner in its relations with non-EU countries. This principle means that the EU, when deciding on lifting the visa requirement for citizens of a non-EU country, takes into consideration whether that non-EU country reciprocally grants visa waiver to nationals of all EU Member States (except the UK and Ireland who do not participate in the common visa policy). The principle also applies to every non-EU country whose citizens already have the right to travel to the Schengen area without a visa.



            The current visa reciprocity mechanism (Regulation (EU) 2018/1806) requires Member States to notify cases when non-EU countries, whose citizens can travel visa free to the EU, require visas for EU nationals. If such a country does not lift the visa requirements within 24 months since the notification by a Member State of a case of non-reciprocity, the Commission can temporarily suspend the visa waiver for 12 months for nationals of that country. In doing so it must take into account the consequences of the suspension of the visa waiver for the external relations of the EU and its Member States.




            In other words, if you impose visa restrictions on us, we'll impose them on you (in reality, that doesn't exactly happen, and you can scroll down in that article to see how, essentially "we're working on it" is used as a cop-out, since ending visa-free access for US citizens visiting Europe is not actually something the EU wants to do).



            When the US started the ESTA program in 2008-2009, it wanted to add an additional pre-screening step to stop certain travelers from even getting on a plane to the US, but it didn't want to upset the entire reciprocity mechanism it has with countries around the world. This wasn't a novel idea—Australia instituted a similar system some years before. So calling it an ESTA and explicitly saying it's not a visa was a way for everyone to save face diplomatically. The US could get its ESTA program, and every other country could give a wink and a nod and say "since you're not imposing a visa requirement on our citizens, we won't impose one on yours." And in subsequent years, more countries have imposed ESTA-like "not a visa" requirements, such as the EU's forthcoming ETIAS system.



            So yes, from the perspective of a traveler, an ESTA looks rather like an easy-to-obtain visa for the reasons that you mention. But from the perspective of a country's government, an ESTA looks dissimilar enough from a visa that the requirement could be imposed without great impact to foreign relations.






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            • To get a US visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, — I did not show up on person, did not have an interview, nor provide biometrics for my US A2 visa. If there was a fairly expensive fee then someone paid that on my behalf without my knowledge.

              – gerrit
              2 days ago











            • @gerrit This is generally how it goes in high risk countries. As an example, a US tourist visa costs 160 USD in Mongolia, and requires: a printed copy of your appointment letter, your DS-160 confirmation page, one recent photograph, your current passport and all old passports, together with an in-person scheduled interview at the US embassy, where you cannot enter with any electronic devices (you need to surrender your phone, for example).

              – toqta
              2 days ago











            • @chintogtokh Sure, I'm not denying that it happens, but it's not universally true.

              – gerrit
              2 days ago






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              @gerrit I added the word visitor, since that's the equivalent of entering under the VWP. Diplomatic visas are a rare exception to the usual process and not relevant for most travelers.

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              2 days ago













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            As the other answers note, from a legal perspective, it's not a visa because US law says a whole bunch of things about visas, and none of them apply to ESTA and the Visa Waiver Program (there are particular differences about one's right to appear before an immigration judge or to change status once you're in the US, for example). An ESTA is also different practically. To get a US visitor visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, etc... From many countries, there's a high rate of refusal. To get an ESTA, you fill out a form online, pay a few bucks, and unless something unusual happens, you're approved automatically. So there are some differences there.



            But there's a broader issue at play. Visas have historically been issued on the basis of reciprocity (with many, many exceptions in the name of making money and foreign relations). For example, the European Union has a visa reciprocity mechanism:




            Visa reciprocity is a fundamental principle of the EU's common visa policy and an objective which the Union pursues in a proactive manner in its relations with non-EU countries. This principle means that the EU, when deciding on lifting the visa requirement for citizens of a non-EU country, takes into consideration whether that non-EU country reciprocally grants visa waiver to nationals of all EU Member States (except the UK and Ireland who do not participate in the common visa policy). The principle also applies to every non-EU country whose citizens already have the right to travel to the Schengen area without a visa.



            The current visa reciprocity mechanism (Regulation (EU) 2018/1806) requires Member States to notify cases when non-EU countries, whose citizens can travel visa free to the EU, require visas for EU nationals. If such a country does not lift the visa requirements within 24 months since the notification by a Member State of a case of non-reciprocity, the Commission can temporarily suspend the visa waiver for 12 months for nationals of that country. In doing so it must take into account the consequences of the suspension of the visa waiver for the external relations of the EU and its Member States.




            In other words, if you impose visa restrictions on us, we'll impose them on you (in reality, that doesn't exactly happen, and you can scroll down in that article to see how, essentially "we're working on it" is used as a cop-out, since ending visa-free access for US citizens visiting Europe is not actually something the EU wants to do).



            When the US started the ESTA program in 2008-2009, it wanted to add an additional pre-screening step to stop certain travelers from even getting on a plane to the US, but it didn't want to upset the entire reciprocity mechanism it has with countries around the world. This wasn't a novel idea—Australia instituted a similar system some years before. So calling it an ESTA and explicitly saying it's not a visa was a way for everyone to save face diplomatically. The US could get its ESTA program, and every other country could give a wink and a nod and say "since you're not imposing a visa requirement on our citizens, we won't impose one on yours." And in subsequent years, more countries have imposed ESTA-like "not a visa" requirements, such as the EU's forthcoming ETIAS system.



            So yes, from the perspective of a traveler, an ESTA looks rather like an easy-to-obtain visa for the reasons that you mention. But from the perspective of a country's government, an ESTA looks dissimilar enough from a visa that the requirement could be imposed without great impact to foreign relations.






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            As the other answers note, from a legal perspective, it's not a visa because US law says a whole bunch of things about visas, and none of them apply to ESTA and the Visa Waiver Program (there are particular differences about one's right to appear before an immigration judge or to change status once you're in the US, for example). An ESTA is also different practically. To get a US visitor visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, etc... From many countries, there's a high rate of refusal. To get an ESTA, you fill out a form online, pay a few bucks, and unless something unusual happens, you're approved automatically. So there are some differences there.



            But there's a broader issue at play. Visas have historically been issued on the basis of reciprocity (with many, many exceptions in the name of making money and foreign relations). For example, the European Union has a visa reciprocity mechanism:




            Visa reciprocity is a fundamental principle of the EU's common visa policy and an objective which the Union pursues in a proactive manner in its relations with non-EU countries. This principle means that the EU, when deciding on lifting the visa requirement for citizens of a non-EU country, takes into consideration whether that non-EU country reciprocally grants visa waiver to nationals of all EU Member States (except the UK and Ireland who do not participate in the common visa policy). The principle also applies to every non-EU country whose citizens already have the right to travel to the Schengen area without a visa.



            The current visa reciprocity mechanism (Regulation (EU) 2018/1806) requires Member States to notify cases when non-EU countries, whose citizens can travel visa free to the EU, require visas for EU nationals. If such a country does not lift the visa requirements within 24 months since the notification by a Member State of a case of non-reciprocity, the Commission can temporarily suspend the visa waiver for 12 months for nationals of that country. In doing so it must take into account the consequences of the suspension of the visa waiver for the external relations of the EU and its Member States.




            In other words, if you impose visa restrictions on us, we'll impose them on you (in reality, that doesn't exactly happen, and you can scroll down in that article to see how, essentially "we're working on it" is used as a cop-out, since ending visa-free access for US citizens visiting Europe is not actually something the EU wants to do).



            When the US started the ESTA program in 2008-2009, it wanted to add an additional pre-screening step to stop certain travelers from even getting on a plane to the US, but it didn't want to upset the entire reciprocity mechanism it has with countries around the world. This wasn't a novel idea—Australia instituted a similar system some years before. So calling it an ESTA and explicitly saying it's not a visa was a way for everyone to save face diplomatically. The US could get its ESTA program, and every other country could give a wink and a nod and say "since you're not imposing a visa requirement on our citizens, we won't impose one on yours." And in subsequent years, more countries have imposed ESTA-like "not a visa" requirements, such as the EU's forthcoming ETIAS system.



            So yes, from the perspective of a traveler, an ESTA looks rather like an easy-to-obtain visa for the reasons that you mention. But from the perspective of a country's government, an ESTA looks dissimilar enough from a visa that the requirement could be imposed without great impact to foreign relations.







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            • To get a US visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, — I did not show up on person, did not have an interview, nor provide biometrics for my US A2 visa. If there was a fairly expensive fee then someone paid that on my behalf without my knowledge.

              – gerrit
              2 days ago











            • @gerrit This is generally how it goes in high risk countries. As an example, a US tourist visa costs 160 USD in Mongolia, and requires: a printed copy of your appointment letter, your DS-160 confirmation page, one recent photograph, your current passport and all old passports, together with an in-person scheduled interview at the US embassy, where you cannot enter with any electronic devices (you need to surrender your phone, for example).

              – toqta
              2 days ago











            • @chintogtokh Sure, I'm not denying that it happens, but it's not universally true.

              – gerrit
              2 days ago






            • 1





              @gerrit I added the word visitor, since that's the equivalent of entering under the VWP. Diplomatic visas are a rare exception to the usual process and not relevant for most travelers.

              – Zach Lipton
              2 days ago

















            • To get a US visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, — I did not show up on person, did not have an interview, nor provide biometrics for my US A2 visa. If there was a fairly expensive fee then someone paid that on my behalf without my knowledge.

              – gerrit
              2 days ago











            • @gerrit This is generally how it goes in high risk countries. As an example, a US tourist visa costs 160 USD in Mongolia, and requires: a printed copy of your appointment letter, your DS-160 confirmation page, one recent photograph, your current passport and all old passports, together with an in-person scheduled interview at the US embassy, where you cannot enter with any electronic devices (you need to surrender your phone, for example).

              – toqta
              2 days ago











            • @chintogtokh Sure, I'm not denying that it happens, but it's not universally true.

              – gerrit
              2 days ago






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              @gerrit I added the word visitor, since that's the equivalent of entering under the VWP. Diplomatic visas are a rare exception to the usual process and not relevant for most travelers.

              – Zach Lipton
              2 days ago
















            To get a US visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, — I did not show up on person, did not have an interview, nor provide biometrics for my US A2 visa. If there was a fairly expensive fee then someone paid that on my behalf without my knowledge.

            – gerrit
            2 days ago





            To get a US visa, you fill out a big long application, obtain various documents, show up in person for an interview, pay a fairly expensive fee, provide biometrics, wait a while, — I did not show up on person, did not have an interview, nor provide biometrics for my US A2 visa. If there was a fairly expensive fee then someone paid that on my behalf without my knowledge.

            – gerrit
            2 days ago













            @gerrit This is generally how it goes in high risk countries. As an example, a US tourist visa costs 160 USD in Mongolia, and requires: a printed copy of your appointment letter, your DS-160 confirmation page, one recent photograph, your current passport and all old passports, together with an in-person scheduled interview at the US embassy, where you cannot enter with any electronic devices (you need to surrender your phone, for example).

            – toqta
            2 days ago





            @gerrit This is generally how it goes in high risk countries. As an example, a US tourist visa costs 160 USD in Mongolia, and requires: a printed copy of your appointment letter, your DS-160 confirmation page, one recent photograph, your current passport and all old passports, together with an in-person scheduled interview at the US embassy, where you cannot enter with any electronic devices (you need to surrender your phone, for example).

            – toqta
            2 days ago













            @chintogtokh Sure, I'm not denying that it happens, but it's not universally true.

            – gerrit
            2 days ago





            @chintogtokh Sure, I'm not denying that it happens, but it's not universally true.

            – gerrit
            2 days ago




            1




            1





            @gerrit I added the word visitor, since that's the equivalent of entering under the VWP. Diplomatic visas are a rare exception to the usual process and not relevant for most travelers.

            – Zach Lipton
            2 days ago





            @gerrit I added the word visitor, since that's the equivalent of entering under the VWP. Diplomatic visas are a rare exception to the usual process and not relevant for most travelers.

            – Zach Lipton
            2 days ago













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            From ESTA Frequently Asked Questions:




            What is the difference between an ESTA and a visa?



            An approved travel authorization is not a visa. It does not meet the legal or regulatory requirements to serve in lieu of a United States visa when a visa is required under United States law.




            So, wherever in US law it says things like "visa holder", this wording would not cause those laws to apply to ESTA holders also.



            If somebody were to redesign the US visa scheme from scratch, they would probably find it simpler to have a way to apply for an "electronic visa" online, like many other countries do. But US law is very complicated and perhaps nobody has the energy or will to go through the entire legal system to fix things to make it simpler.






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              From ESTA Frequently Asked Questions:




              What is the difference between an ESTA and a visa?



              An approved travel authorization is not a visa. It does not meet the legal or regulatory requirements to serve in lieu of a United States visa when a visa is required under United States law.




              So, wherever in US law it says things like "visa holder", this wording would not cause those laws to apply to ESTA holders also.



              If somebody were to redesign the US visa scheme from scratch, they would probably find it simpler to have a way to apply for an "electronic visa" online, like many other countries do. But US law is very complicated and perhaps nobody has the energy or will to go through the entire legal system to fix things to make it simpler.






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                From ESTA Frequently Asked Questions:




                What is the difference between an ESTA and a visa?



                An approved travel authorization is not a visa. It does not meet the legal or regulatory requirements to serve in lieu of a United States visa when a visa is required under United States law.




                So, wherever in US law it says things like "visa holder", this wording would not cause those laws to apply to ESTA holders also.



                If somebody were to redesign the US visa scheme from scratch, they would probably find it simpler to have a way to apply for an "electronic visa" online, like many other countries do. But US law is very complicated and perhaps nobody has the energy or will to go through the entire legal system to fix things to make it simpler.






                share|improve this answer













                From ESTA Frequently Asked Questions:




                What is the difference between an ESTA and a visa?



                An approved travel authorization is not a visa. It does not meet the legal or regulatory requirements to serve in lieu of a United States visa when a visa is required under United States law.




                So, wherever in US law it says things like "visa holder", this wording would not cause those laws to apply to ESTA holders also.



                If somebody were to redesign the US visa scheme from scratch, they would probably find it simpler to have a way to apply for an "electronic visa" online, like many other countries do. But US law is very complicated and perhaps nobody has the energy or will to go through the entire legal system to fix things to make it simpler.







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