weird pluperfect subjunctive in EutropiusMemento quod <subjunctive>Verb forms after “tamquam si”Passive Subjunctive Translated as Activesubjunctive after “Hoc est, quod”Oratio obliqua and case agreement between accusative subject and subject in subordinate subjunctiveReflexive Pronouns & Indirect StatementsUse of subjunctinve in a North & Hillard translation exerciseSaepe eum hic vidi/videbamCur coniugationes systematis praesentis sunt tam dissimiles cum eae cum coniugationibus systematis perfecti comparentur?Sequence of Tenses: Translating the subjunctive
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weird pluperfect subjunctive in Eutropius
Memento quod <subjunctive>Verb forms after “tamquam si”Passive Subjunctive Translated as Activesubjunctive after “Hoc est, quod”Oratio obliqua and case agreement between accusative subject and subject in subordinate subjunctiveReflexive Pronouns & Indirect StatementsUse of subjunctinve in a North & Hillard translation exerciseSaepe eum hic vidi/videbamCur coniugationes systematis praesentis sunt tam dissimiles cum eae cum coniugationibus systematis perfecti comparentur?Sequence of Tenses: Translating the subjunctive
In Rōma Æterna, p. 239, in a passage from Eutropius, book 28, comes the paragraph:
P. Scīpiō in Hispāniā cum Poenīs dēbellāvit quārtō decimō annō eius bellī; et ā Tarracōne in Āfricam ad Syphācem, rēgem Massȳlōrum, trānsvectus, foedus cum eō iūnxit. Et amīcitiā factā cum Masinissā, rēge Numidārum (quī illī auxilium 'sī in Āfricam trāiēcisset' pollicēbātur), Rōmam reversus cōnsulque creātus.
I'd expect trāiceret or trāiectūrus esset. Why the pluperfect subjunctive here?
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In Rōma Æterna, p. 239, in a passage from Eutropius, book 28, comes the paragraph:
P. Scīpiō in Hispāniā cum Poenīs dēbellāvit quārtō decimō annō eius bellī; et ā Tarracōne in Āfricam ad Syphācem, rēgem Massȳlōrum, trānsvectus, foedus cum eō iūnxit. Et amīcitiā factā cum Masinissā, rēge Numidārum (quī illī auxilium 'sī in Āfricam trāiēcisset' pollicēbātur), Rōmam reversus cōnsulque creātus.
I'd expect trāiceret or trāiectūrus esset. Why the pluperfect subjunctive here?
coniunctivus tenses
asked May 4 at 18:47
Joel DerfnerJoel Derfner
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In Rōma Æterna, p. 239, in a passage from Eutropius, book 28, comes the paragraph:
P. Scīpiō in Hispāniā cum Poenīs dēbellāvit quārtō decimō annō eius bellī; et ā Tarracōne in Āfricam ad Syphācem, rēgem Massȳlōrum, trānsvectus, foedus cum eō iūnxit. Et amīcitiā factā cum Masinissā, rēge Numidārum (quī illī auxilium 'sī in Āfricam trāiēcisset' pollicēbātur), Rōmam reversus cōnsulque creātus.
I'd expect trāiceret or trāiectūrus esset. Why the pluperfect subjunctive here?
coniunctivus tenses
asked May 4 at 18:47
Joel DerfnerJoel Derfner
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In Rōma Æterna, p. 239, in a passage from Eutropius, book 28, comes the paragraph:
P. Scīpiō in Hispāniā cum Poenīs dēbellāvit quārtō decimō annō eius bellī; et ā Tarracōne in Āfricam ad Syphācem, rēgem Massȳlōrum, trānsvectus, foedus cum eō iūnxit. Et amīcitiā factā cum Masinissā, rēge Numidārum (quī illī auxilium 'sī in Āfricam trāiēcisset' pollicēbātur), Rōmam reversus cōnsulque creātus.
I'd expect trāiceret or trāiectūrus esset. Why the pluperfect subjunctive here?
coniunctivus tenses
coniunctivus tenses
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This is a quirk of conditions in indirect statement: a perfect subjunctive in the protasis of a future less vivid condition turns to pluperfect subjunctive when in indirect statement. For examples see Allen and Greenough 589, 2.a.3.
What's a little unusual about this example is that pollicebatur isn't introducing a full indirect statement, but just takes an object auxilium. However, the 'if' clause is still behaving as if it's part of a complete condition (e.g. pollicebatur se auxilium laturum esse si...).
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Thank you so much! I've been trying to figure this one out for hours. . . .
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This is a quirk of conditions in indirect statement: a perfect subjunctive in the protasis of a future less vivid condition turns to pluperfect subjunctive when in indirect statement. For examples see Allen and Greenough 589, 2.a.3.
What's a little unusual about this example is that pollicebatur isn't introducing a full indirect statement, but just takes an object auxilium. However, the 'if' clause is still behaving as if it's part of a complete condition (e.g. pollicebatur se auxilium laturum esse si...).
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Thank you so much! I've been trying to figure this one out for hours. . . .
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This is a quirk of conditions in indirect statement: a perfect subjunctive in the protasis of a future less vivid condition turns to pluperfect subjunctive when in indirect statement. For examples see Allen and Greenough 589, 2.a.3.
What's a little unusual about this example is that pollicebatur isn't introducing a full indirect statement, but just takes an object auxilium. However, the 'if' clause is still behaving as if it's part of a complete condition (e.g. pollicebatur se auxilium laturum esse si...).
answered May 4 at 19:35
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Thank you so much! I've been trying to figure this one out for hours. . . .
– Joel Derfner
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This is a quirk of conditions in indirect statement: a perfect subjunctive in the protasis of a future less vivid condition turns to pluperfect subjunctive when in indirect statement. For examples see Allen and Greenough 589, 2.a.3.
What's a little unusual about this example is that pollicebatur isn't introducing a full indirect statement, but just takes an object auxilium. However, the 'if' clause is still behaving as if it's part of a complete condition (e.g. pollicebatur se auxilium laturum esse si...).
answered May 4 at 19:35
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This is a quirk of conditions in indirect statement: a perfect subjunctive in the protasis of a future less vivid condition turns to pluperfect subjunctive when in indirect statement. For examples see Allen and Greenough 589, 2.a.3.
What's a little unusual about this example is that pollicebatur isn't introducing a full indirect statement, but just takes an object auxilium. However, the 'if' clause is still behaving as if it's part of a complete condition (e.g. pollicebatur se auxilium laturum esse si...).
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Thank you so much! I've been trying to figure this one out for hours. . . .
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Thank you so much! I've been trying to figure this one out for hours. . . .
– Joel Derfner
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Thank you so much! I've been trying to figure this one out for hours. . . .
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Thank you so much! I've been trying to figure this one out for hours. . . .
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