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Why not take the bishop with the knight (Guseinov vs. Bauer )?
Why should black not capture the knight here?Why didn't Donald Bryne capture with the queen instead of pawn (against 13-year-old Bobby Fischer in the Game of the Century)?Why isn't the objective of chess to capture the opponent's king?
In this game between Guseinov (2622) vs. Bauer (2634):
Crete 2007 · French, Winawer, Alekhine (Maroczy) gambit (C15) · ½-½
[FEN ""]
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 Bb4
4. Nge2 Nc6
5. a3 Ba5
6. b4 Bb6
7. Na4 dxe4
After dxe4, Guseinov played 8. Bb2.
Why did he not take the black dark square bishop on the b6 square with his knight on a4?
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In this game between Guseinov (2622) vs. Bauer (2634):
Crete 2007 · French, Winawer, Alekhine (Maroczy) gambit (C15) · ½-½
[FEN ""]
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 Bb4
4. Nge2 Nc6
5. a3 Ba5
6. b4 Bb6
7. Na4 dxe4
After dxe4, Guseinov played 8. Bb2.
Why did he not take the black dark square bishop on the b6 square with his knight on a4?
captures
9
Bishop can be taken at any time. Rook on a8 would be happy to see the move.
– hoacin
May 8 at 7:24
Short answer: the d4 pawn is hanging! Also, as @hoacin just pointed out, the bishop has nowhere to go!
– David
2 days ago
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In this game between Guseinov (2622) vs. Bauer (2634):
Crete 2007 · French, Winawer, Alekhine (Maroczy) gambit (C15) · ½-½
[FEN ""]
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 Bb4
4. Nge2 Nc6
5. a3 Ba5
6. b4 Bb6
7. Na4 dxe4
After dxe4, Guseinov played 8. Bb2.
Why did he not take the black dark square bishop on the b6 square with his knight on a4?
captures
In this game between Guseinov (2622) vs. Bauer (2634):
Crete 2007 · French, Winawer, Alekhine (Maroczy) gambit (C15) · ½-½
[FEN ""]
1. e4 e6
2. d4 d5
3. Nc3 Bb4
4. Nge2 Nc6
5. a3 Ba5
6. b4 Bb6
7. Na4 dxe4
After dxe4, Guseinov played 8. Bb2.
Why did he not take the black dark square bishop on the b6 square with his knight on a4?
captures
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silversilver
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Bishop can be taken at any time. Rook on a8 would be happy to see the move.
– hoacin
May 8 at 7:24
Short answer: the d4 pawn is hanging! Also, as @hoacin just pointed out, the bishop has nowhere to go!
– David
2 days ago
add a comment |
9
Bishop can be taken at any time. Rook on a8 would be happy to see the move.
– hoacin
May 8 at 7:24
Short answer: the d4 pawn is hanging! Also, as @hoacin just pointed out, the bishop has nowhere to go!
– David
2 days ago
9
9
Bishop can be taken at any time. Rook on a8 would be happy to see the move.
– hoacin
May 8 at 7:24
Bishop can be taken at any time. Rook on a8 would be happy to see the move.
– hoacin
May 8 at 7:24
Short answer: the d4 pawn is hanging! Also, as @hoacin just pointed out, the bishop has nowhere to go!
– David
2 days ago
Short answer: the d4 pawn is hanging! Also, as @hoacin just pointed out, the bishop has nowhere to go!
– David
2 days ago
add a comment |
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There is no hurry. After 8. Bb2 the bishop on b6 is not going anywhere. NxB continues to be available to white until black does something about it like a6. That means that delaying NxB gains a tempo if black has to make a less useful move to try and "save" the bishop like a6. Since recapturing with the a pawn probably gives black a better game it is worth waiting to see if he will throw away this option by playing a6.
Delaying the capture also retains the possibility of playing Nc5 which may be stronger in some circumstances.
Finally an immediate NxB will be met by axN opening the a file for black and allowing the a8 rook to pressure the now weak, backward a3 pawn.
So, in short, delaying the capture retains flexibility. That way white has more and possibly better options. This "maintaining the tension" is one of the things which separates weak and strong players. Weak players are in too much of a hurry to release the tension in a position. Strong players maintain the tension and with it give their opponents more opportunities to go wrong.
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I think that some of it is not just that weaker players are in a hurry to release the tension, but strong players are more confident in their ability to recognize when their opponent doesn't have an "out". Consider this position: lichess.org/editor/5k1q/6r1/8/8/p7/8/1B1PP3/2KQ4_w_-_- A weak player might see the pinned rook, decide it's not going anywhere, and take the pawn instead, only to be surprised by Rc7+ What separates a weak from a strong player is their ability to recognize the difference between a situation like that and the one given by the OP.
– Acccumulation
May 8 at 17:09
"Releasing" and "maintaining" the tension is an interesting way of describing it. I recently noticed that in competitive multiplayer videogames, the better, more experienced players will let a fight go closer to losing than newer players. For instance, a McCree might stand still and take a direct rocket hit from a Pharah just to guarantee getting a headshot and finishing off the low-health Pharah, because he knows he has enough health to survive the direct hit, whereas a newer player might go for the healthpack and risk the Pharah escaping.
– Clonkex
May 9 at 2:15
I do agree with the statement of maintaining the tension. weaker players are generally unable to cope with the many pieces on the board and quickly feel the urge to capture something. Sometimes they don't event notice it. Has a sort of reply to other comments, maintaining the tension only applies if direct captures don't give you an immediate advantage, as in the position shown.
– Isac
yesterday
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One way of thinking in these situations in the opening is the following: while white gains the bishop pair after taking on b6, it also opens up the a-file for black's rook. Moreover (as Brian Towers pointed out in his answer), depending on the situation, white may actually want to be able to place a knight on c5 in some lines down the road. So white doesn't know whether he wants to take the b6 bishop yet.
Meanwhile, white knows that he will have to develop the c1 bishop sooner or later, and b2 is not a bad square at all for that bishop, where it has great potential for activity later in the game, giving white ideas of making a d5 push.
Therefore it may be a good idea for white to make the obviously good move (which he is very likely to make at some point in the game anyway), and only afterwards consider the move that he's not completely sure about yet. In this particular example it becomes even more rational to do it this way, since the option of playin Nxb6 doesn't go away.
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The bishop's more out of play on b6 than White's knight is on a4. Also, White could play c4 (threatening to trap the bishop with c5), after which Black may be forced to give the bishop breathing room with ...a6. Then White can play Nxb6 since ...cxb6 will be forced, which is less ideal for Black than recapturing with ...axb6.
I like the idea of c4 and then only after a6 , white will take the bishop with the knight
– silver
2 days ago
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There is no hurry. After 8. Bb2 the bishop on b6 is not going anywhere. NxB continues to be available to white until black does something about it like a6. That means that delaying NxB gains a tempo if black has to make a less useful move to try and "save" the bishop like a6. Since recapturing with the a pawn probably gives black a better game it is worth waiting to see if he will throw away this option by playing a6.
Delaying the capture also retains the possibility of playing Nc5 which may be stronger in some circumstances.
Finally an immediate NxB will be met by axN opening the a file for black and allowing the a8 rook to pressure the now weak, backward a3 pawn.
So, in short, delaying the capture retains flexibility. That way white has more and possibly better options. This "maintaining the tension" is one of the things which separates weak and strong players. Weak players are in too much of a hurry to release the tension in a position. Strong players maintain the tension and with it give their opponents more opportunities to go wrong.
5
I think that some of it is not just that weaker players are in a hurry to release the tension, but strong players are more confident in their ability to recognize when their opponent doesn't have an "out". Consider this position: lichess.org/editor/5k1q/6r1/8/8/p7/8/1B1PP3/2KQ4_w_-_- A weak player might see the pinned rook, decide it's not going anywhere, and take the pawn instead, only to be surprised by Rc7+ What separates a weak from a strong player is their ability to recognize the difference between a situation like that and the one given by the OP.
– Acccumulation
May 8 at 17:09
"Releasing" and "maintaining" the tension is an interesting way of describing it. I recently noticed that in competitive multiplayer videogames, the better, more experienced players will let a fight go closer to losing than newer players. For instance, a McCree might stand still and take a direct rocket hit from a Pharah just to guarantee getting a headshot and finishing off the low-health Pharah, because he knows he has enough health to survive the direct hit, whereas a newer player might go for the healthpack and risk the Pharah escaping.
– Clonkex
May 9 at 2:15
I do agree with the statement of maintaining the tension. weaker players are generally unable to cope with the many pieces on the board and quickly feel the urge to capture something. Sometimes they don't event notice it. Has a sort of reply to other comments, maintaining the tension only applies if direct captures don't give you an immediate advantage, as in the position shown.
– Isac
yesterday
add a comment |
There is no hurry. After 8. Bb2 the bishop on b6 is not going anywhere. NxB continues to be available to white until black does something about it like a6. That means that delaying NxB gains a tempo if black has to make a less useful move to try and "save" the bishop like a6. Since recapturing with the a pawn probably gives black a better game it is worth waiting to see if he will throw away this option by playing a6.
Delaying the capture also retains the possibility of playing Nc5 which may be stronger in some circumstances.
Finally an immediate NxB will be met by axN opening the a file for black and allowing the a8 rook to pressure the now weak, backward a3 pawn.
So, in short, delaying the capture retains flexibility. That way white has more and possibly better options. This "maintaining the tension" is one of the things which separates weak and strong players. Weak players are in too much of a hurry to release the tension in a position. Strong players maintain the tension and with it give their opponents more opportunities to go wrong.
5
I think that some of it is not just that weaker players are in a hurry to release the tension, but strong players are more confident in their ability to recognize when their opponent doesn't have an "out". Consider this position: lichess.org/editor/5k1q/6r1/8/8/p7/8/1B1PP3/2KQ4_w_-_- A weak player might see the pinned rook, decide it's not going anywhere, and take the pawn instead, only to be surprised by Rc7+ What separates a weak from a strong player is their ability to recognize the difference between a situation like that and the one given by the OP.
– Acccumulation
May 8 at 17:09
"Releasing" and "maintaining" the tension is an interesting way of describing it. I recently noticed that in competitive multiplayer videogames, the better, more experienced players will let a fight go closer to losing than newer players. For instance, a McCree might stand still and take a direct rocket hit from a Pharah just to guarantee getting a headshot and finishing off the low-health Pharah, because he knows he has enough health to survive the direct hit, whereas a newer player might go for the healthpack and risk the Pharah escaping.
– Clonkex
May 9 at 2:15
I do agree with the statement of maintaining the tension. weaker players are generally unable to cope with the many pieces on the board and quickly feel the urge to capture something. Sometimes they don't event notice it. Has a sort of reply to other comments, maintaining the tension only applies if direct captures don't give you an immediate advantage, as in the position shown.
– Isac
yesterday
add a comment |
There is no hurry. After 8. Bb2 the bishop on b6 is not going anywhere. NxB continues to be available to white until black does something about it like a6. That means that delaying NxB gains a tempo if black has to make a less useful move to try and "save" the bishop like a6. Since recapturing with the a pawn probably gives black a better game it is worth waiting to see if he will throw away this option by playing a6.
Delaying the capture also retains the possibility of playing Nc5 which may be stronger in some circumstances.
Finally an immediate NxB will be met by axN opening the a file for black and allowing the a8 rook to pressure the now weak, backward a3 pawn.
So, in short, delaying the capture retains flexibility. That way white has more and possibly better options. This "maintaining the tension" is one of the things which separates weak and strong players. Weak players are in too much of a hurry to release the tension in a position. Strong players maintain the tension and with it give their opponents more opportunities to go wrong.
There is no hurry. After 8. Bb2 the bishop on b6 is not going anywhere. NxB continues to be available to white until black does something about it like a6. That means that delaying NxB gains a tempo if black has to make a less useful move to try and "save" the bishop like a6. Since recapturing with the a pawn probably gives black a better game it is worth waiting to see if he will throw away this option by playing a6.
Delaying the capture also retains the possibility of playing Nc5 which may be stronger in some circumstances.
Finally an immediate NxB will be met by axN opening the a file for black and allowing the a8 rook to pressure the now weak, backward a3 pawn.
So, in short, delaying the capture retains flexibility. That way white has more and possibly better options. This "maintaining the tension" is one of the things which separates weak and strong players. Weak players are in too much of a hurry to release the tension in a position. Strong players maintain the tension and with it give their opponents more opportunities to go wrong.
answered May 8 at 8:52
Brian TowersBrian Towers
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I think that some of it is not just that weaker players are in a hurry to release the tension, but strong players are more confident in their ability to recognize when their opponent doesn't have an "out". Consider this position: lichess.org/editor/5k1q/6r1/8/8/p7/8/1B1PP3/2KQ4_w_-_- A weak player might see the pinned rook, decide it's not going anywhere, and take the pawn instead, only to be surprised by Rc7+ What separates a weak from a strong player is their ability to recognize the difference between a situation like that and the one given by the OP.
– Acccumulation
May 8 at 17:09
"Releasing" and "maintaining" the tension is an interesting way of describing it. I recently noticed that in competitive multiplayer videogames, the better, more experienced players will let a fight go closer to losing than newer players. For instance, a McCree might stand still and take a direct rocket hit from a Pharah just to guarantee getting a headshot and finishing off the low-health Pharah, because he knows he has enough health to survive the direct hit, whereas a newer player might go for the healthpack and risk the Pharah escaping.
– Clonkex
May 9 at 2:15
I do agree with the statement of maintaining the tension. weaker players are generally unable to cope with the many pieces on the board and quickly feel the urge to capture something. Sometimes they don't event notice it. Has a sort of reply to other comments, maintaining the tension only applies if direct captures don't give you an immediate advantage, as in the position shown.
– Isac
yesterday
add a comment |
5
I think that some of it is not just that weaker players are in a hurry to release the tension, but strong players are more confident in their ability to recognize when their opponent doesn't have an "out". Consider this position: lichess.org/editor/5k1q/6r1/8/8/p7/8/1B1PP3/2KQ4_w_-_- A weak player might see the pinned rook, decide it's not going anywhere, and take the pawn instead, only to be surprised by Rc7+ What separates a weak from a strong player is their ability to recognize the difference between a situation like that and the one given by the OP.
– Acccumulation
May 8 at 17:09
"Releasing" and "maintaining" the tension is an interesting way of describing it. I recently noticed that in competitive multiplayer videogames, the better, more experienced players will let a fight go closer to losing than newer players. For instance, a McCree might stand still and take a direct rocket hit from a Pharah just to guarantee getting a headshot and finishing off the low-health Pharah, because he knows he has enough health to survive the direct hit, whereas a newer player might go for the healthpack and risk the Pharah escaping.
– Clonkex
May 9 at 2:15
I do agree with the statement of maintaining the tension. weaker players are generally unable to cope with the many pieces on the board and quickly feel the urge to capture something. Sometimes they don't event notice it. Has a sort of reply to other comments, maintaining the tension only applies if direct captures don't give you an immediate advantage, as in the position shown.
– Isac
yesterday
5
5
I think that some of it is not just that weaker players are in a hurry to release the tension, but strong players are more confident in their ability to recognize when their opponent doesn't have an "out". Consider this position: lichess.org/editor/5k1q/6r1/8/8/p7/8/1B1PP3/2KQ4_w_-_- A weak player might see the pinned rook, decide it's not going anywhere, and take the pawn instead, only to be surprised by Rc7+ What separates a weak from a strong player is their ability to recognize the difference between a situation like that and the one given by the OP.
– Acccumulation
May 8 at 17:09
I think that some of it is not just that weaker players are in a hurry to release the tension, but strong players are more confident in their ability to recognize when their opponent doesn't have an "out". Consider this position: lichess.org/editor/5k1q/6r1/8/8/p7/8/1B1PP3/2KQ4_w_-_- A weak player might see the pinned rook, decide it's not going anywhere, and take the pawn instead, only to be surprised by Rc7+ What separates a weak from a strong player is their ability to recognize the difference between a situation like that and the one given by the OP.
– Acccumulation
May 8 at 17:09
"Releasing" and "maintaining" the tension is an interesting way of describing it. I recently noticed that in competitive multiplayer videogames, the better, more experienced players will let a fight go closer to losing than newer players. For instance, a McCree might stand still and take a direct rocket hit from a Pharah just to guarantee getting a headshot and finishing off the low-health Pharah, because he knows he has enough health to survive the direct hit, whereas a newer player might go for the healthpack and risk the Pharah escaping.
– Clonkex
May 9 at 2:15
"Releasing" and "maintaining" the tension is an interesting way of describing it. I recently noticed that in competitive multiplayer videogames, the better, more experienced players will let a fight go closer to losing than newer players. For instance, a McCree might stand still and take a direct rocket hit from a Pharah just to guarantee getting a headshot and finishing off the low-health Pharah, because he knows he has enough health to survive the direct hit, whereas a newer player might go for the healthpack and risk the Pharah escaping.
– Clonkex
May 9 at 2:15
I do agree with the statement of maintaining the tension. weaker players are generally unable to cope with the many pieces on the board and quickly feel the urge to capture something. Sometimes they don't event notice it. Has a sort of reply to other comments, maintaining the tension only applies if direct captures don't give you an immediate advantage, as in the position shown.
– Isac
yesterday
I do agree with the statement of maintaining the tension. weaker players are generally unable to cope with the many pieces on the board and quickly feel the urge to capture something. Sometimes they don't event notice it. Has a sort of reply to other comments, maintaining the tension only applies if direct captures don't give you an immediate advantage, as in the position shown.
– Isac
yesterday
add a comment |
One way of thinking in these situations in the opening is the following: while white gains the bishop pair after taking on b6, it also opens up the a-file for black's rook. Moreover (as Brian Towers pointed out in his answer), depending on the situation, white may actually want to be able to place a knight on c5 in some lines down the road. So white doesn't know whether he wants to take the b6 bishop yet.
Meanwhile, white knows that he will have to develop the c1 bishop sooner or later, and b2 is not a bad square at all for that bishop, where it has great potential for activity later in the game, giving white ideas of making a d5 push.
Therefore it may be a good idea for white to make the obviously good move (which he is very likely to make at some point in the game anyway), and only afterwards consider the move that he's not completely sure about yet. In this particular example it becomes even more rational to do it this way, since the option of playin Nxb6 doesn't go away.
add a comment |
One way of thinking in these situations in the opening is the following: while white gains the bishop pair after taking on b6, it also opens up the a-file for black's rook. Moreover (as Brian Towers pointed out in his answer), depending on the situation, white may actually want to be able to place a knight on c5 in some lines down the road. So white doesn't know whether he wants to take the b6 bishop yet.
Meanwhile, white knows that he will have to develop the c1 bishop sooner or later, and b2 is not a bad square at all for that bishop, where it has great potential for activity later in the game, giving white ideas of making a d5 push.
Therefore it may be a good idea for white to make the obviously good move (which he is very likely to make at some point in the game anyway), and only afterwards consider the move that he's not completely sure about yet. In this particular example it becomes even more rational to do it this way, since the option of playin Nxb6 doesn't go away.
add a comment |
One way of thinking in these situations in the opening is the following: while white gains the bishop pair after taking on b6, it also opens up the a-file for black's rook. Moreover (as Brian Towers pointed out in his answer), depending on the situation, white may actually want to be able to place a knight on c5 in some lines down the road. So white doesn't know whether he wants to take the b6 bishop yet.
Meanwhile, white knows that he will have to develop the c1 bishop sooner or later, and b2 is not a bad square at all for that bishop, where it has great potential for activity later in the game, giving white ideas of making a d5 push.
Therefore it may be a good idea for white to make the obviously good move (which he is very likely to make at some point in the game anyway), and only afterwards consider the move that he's not completely sure about yet. In this particular example it becomes even more rational to do it this way, since the option of playin Nxb6 doesn't go away.
One way of thinking in these situations in the opening is the following: while white gains the bishop pair after taking on b6, it also opens up the a-file for black's rook. Moreover (as Brian Towers pointed out in his answer), depending on the situation, white may actually want to be able to place a knight on c5 in some lines down the road. So white doesn't know whether he wants to take the b6 bishop yet.
Meanwhile, white knows that he will have to develop the c1 bishop sooner or later, and b2 is not a bad square at all for that bishop, where it has great potential for activity later in the game, giving white ideas of making a d5 push.
Therefore it may be a good idea for white to make the obviously good move (which he is very likely to make at some point in the game anyway), and only afterwards consider the move that he's not completely sure about yet. In this particular example it becomes even more rational to do it this way, since the option of playin Nxb6 doesn't go away.
answered May 8 at 10:37
ScoungedScounged
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The bishop's more out of play on b6 than White's knight is on a4. Also, White could play c4 (threatening to trap the bishop with c5), after which Black may be forced to give the bishop breathing room with ...a6. Then White can play Nxb6 since ...cxb6 will be forced, which is less ideal for Black than recapturing with ...axb6.
I like the idea of c4 and then only after a6 , white will take the bishop with the knight
– silver
2 days ago
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The bishop's more out of play on b6 than White's knight is on a4. Also, White could play c4 (threatening to trap the bishop with c5), after which Black may be forced to give the bishop breathing room with ...a6. Then White can play Nxb6 since ...cxb6 will be forced, which is less ideal for Black than recapturing with ...axb6.
I like the idea of c4 and then only after a6 , white will take the bishop with the knight
– silver
2 days ago
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The bishop's more out of play on b6 than White's knight is on a4. Also, White could play c4 (threatening to trap the bishop with c5), after which Black may be forced to give the bishop breathing room with ...a6. Then White can play Nxb6 since ...cxb6 will be forced, which is less ideal for Black than recapturing with ...axb6.
The bishop's more out of play on b6 than White's knight is on a4. Also, White could play c4 (threatening to trap the bishop with c5), after which Black may be forced to give the bishop breathing room with ...a6. Then White can play Nxb6 since ...cxb6 will be forced, which is less ideal for Black than recapturing with ...axb6.
answered May 9 at 5:38
Inertial IgnoranceInertial Ignorance
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I like the idea of c4 and then only after a6 , white will take the bishop with the knight
– silver
2 days ago
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I like the idea of c4 and then only after a6 , white will take the bishop with the knight
– silver
2 days ago
I like the idea of c4 and then only after a6 , white will take the bishop with the knight
– silver
2 days ago
I like the idea of c4 and then only after a6 , white will take the bishop with the knight
– silver
2 days ago
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Bishop can be taken at any time. Rook on a8 would be happy to see the move.
– hoacin
May 8 at 7:24
Short answer: the d4 pawn is hanging! Also, as @hoacin just pointed out, the bishop has nowhere to go!
– David
2 days ago