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A sandbagger is someone who
One who sandbags (misleads about his/her ability level in order to win bets)
And sandbagging means
hiding the strength, skill or difficulty of something or someone early in an engagement
with examples from different sports like grappling, racing and poker. The German wikipedia also has an entry saying it derives from boxing and is also used to refer to chess players deliberately keeping a low rating.
I don't know any good German equivalent of sandbagger, though.
- Langenscheidt has no useful entries for either sandbagger ("Segelboot mit Sandsäcken als Ballast" or "Verbrecher, der jemanden mit einem Sandsack niederschlägt") or sandbagging (redirects to sandbag).
- It's mentioned in a discussion on LEO about a Tiefstapler, but the description of Tiefstapler doesn't fit: "Er ist ein angenehmer Tiefstapler, trotz seiner Expertise stellt er die nicht so zur Schau oder gibt an."
- PONS doesn't even know sandbagger, but has an interesting entry on sandbagging: "Sich zurückhalten"
- I looked up Tiefstapler in the Duden ("Untertreibung; Abschwächung, [falsche] Bescheidenheit, Herabspielen, Understatement, Unterbewertung, [vornehme] Zurückhaltung, Zurücknahme") and the DWDS and found die Tiefstapelei. I miss the aspect of hustling a bit (while hustler is too broad).
Is there a German equivalent of sandbagger - someone who makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors?
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A sandbagger is someone who
One who sandbags (misleads about his/her ability level in order to win bets)
And sandbagging means
hiding the strength, skill or difficulty of something or someone early in an engagement
with examples from different sports like grappling, racing and poker. The German wikipedia also has an entry saying it derives from boxing and is also used to refer to chess players deliberately keeping a low rating.
I don't know any good German equivalent of sandbagger, though.
- Langenscheidt has no useful entries for either sandbagger ("Segelboot mit Sandsäcken als Ballast" or "Verbrecher, der jemanden mit einem Sandsack niederschlägt") or sandbagging (redirects to sandbag).
- It's mentioned in a discussion on LEO about a Tiefstapler, but the description of Tiefstapler doesn't fit: "Er ist ein angenehmer Tiefstapler, trotz seiner Expertise stellt er die nicht so zur Schau oder gibt an."
- PONS doesn't even know sandbagger, but has an interesting entry on sandbagging: "Sich zurückhalten"
- I looked up Tiefstapler in the Duden ("Untertreibung; Abschwächung, [falsche] Bescheidenheit, Herabspielen, Understatement, Unterbewertung, [vornehme] Zurückhaltung, Zurücknahme") and the DWDS and found die Tiefstapelei. I miss the aspect of hustling a bit (while hustler is too broad).
Is there a German equivalent of sandbagger - someone who makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors?
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Interestingly enough, Sandbagger is German for sand excavator
– infinitezero
Jul 19 at 14:35
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Tiefstapler is the correct term, it's built analog to Hochstapler and conveys the same meaning.
– Janka
Jul 19 at 15:13
5
The description in LEO is not a good one, because Tiefstapler does not fit angenehm - if one considers the other person's pudency pleasant, the would rather call that person bescheiden.
– Volker Landgraf
Jul 19 at 15:22
1
@infinitezero: Absolutely, and when reading the term "Sandbagger" (in this question or elsewhere), I would definitely assume this refers to a children's toy for use in a sandbox (or at the beach).
– O. R. Mapper
Jul 20 at 8:57
1
"Sandbagger" goes back to stockcar racing. You'd hide sandbags (loaded with sand) in your car while running the trials. This slows you down to a certain extent, and gets you a better place in the starting lineup. For the race itself, you remove the sandbags - better acceleration and higher speed.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 10:07
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A sandbagger is someone who
One who sandbags (misleads about his/her ability level in order to win bets)
And sandbagging means
hiding the strength, skill or difficulty of something or someone early in an engagement
with examples from different sports like grappling, racing and poker. The German wikipedia also has an entry saying it derives from boxing and is also used to refer to chess players deliberately keeping a low rating.
I don't know any good German equivalent of sandbagger, though.
- Langenscheidt has no useful entries for either sandbagger ("Segelboot mit Sandsäcken als Ballast" or "Verbrecher, der jemanden mit einem Sandsack niederschlägt") or sandbagging (redirects to sandbag).
- It's mentioned in a discussion on LEO about a Tiefstapler, but the description of Tiefstapler doesn't fit: "Er ist ein angenehmer Tiefstapler, trotz seiner Expertise stellt er die nicht so zur Schau oder gibt an."
- PONS doesn't even know sandbagger, but has an interesting entry on sandbagging: "Sich zurückhalten"
- I looked up Tiefstapler in the Duden ("Untertreibung; Abschwächung, [falsche] Bescheidenheit, Herabspielen, Understatement, Unterbewertung, [vornehme] Zurückhaltung, Zurücknahme") and the DWDS and found die Tiefstapelei. I miss the aspect of hustling a bit (while hustler is too broad).
Is there a German equivalent of sandbagger - someone who makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors?
english-to-german single-word-request
asked Jul 19 at 14:11
The Awful LanguageThe Awful Language
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A sandbagger is someone who
One who sandbags (misleads about his/her ability level in order to win bets)
And sandbagging means
hiding the strength, skill or difficulty of something or someone early in an engagement
with examples from different sports like grappling, racing and poker. The German wikipedia also has an entry saying it derives from boxing and is also used to refer to chess players deliberately keeping a low rating.
I don't know any good German equivalent of sandbagger, though.
- Langenscheidt has no useful entries for either sandbagger ("Segelboot mit Sandsäcken als Ballast" or "Verbrecher, der jemanden mit einem Sandsack niederschlägt") or sandbagging (redirects to sandbag).
- It's mentioned in a discussion on LEO about a Tiefstapler, but the description of Tiefstapler doesn't fit: "Er ist ein angenehmer Tiefstapler, trotz seiner Expertise stellt er die nicht so zur Schau oder gibt an."
- PONS doesn't even know sandbagger, but has an interesting entry on sandbagging: "Sich zurückhalten"
- I looked up Tiefstapler in the Duden ("Untertreibung; Abschwächung, [falsche] Bescheidenheit, Herabspielen, Understatement, Unterbewertung, [vornehme] Zurückhaltung, Zurücknahme") and the DWDS and found die Tiefstapelei. I miss the aspect of hustling a bit (while hustler is too broad).
Is there a German equivalent of sandbagger - someone who makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors?
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Interestingly enough, Sandbagger is German for sand excavator
– infinitezero
Jul 19 at 14:35
14
Tiefstapler is the correct term, it's built analog to Hochstapler and conveys the same meaning.
– Janka
Jul 19 at 15:13
5
The description in LEO is not a good one, because Tiefstapler does not fit angenehm - if one considers the other person's pudency pleasant, the would rather call that person bescheiden.
– Volker Landgraf
Jul 19 at 15:22
1
@infinitezero: Absolutely, and when reading the term "Sandbagger" (in this question or elsewhere), I would definitely assume this refers to a children's toy for use in a sandbox (or at the beach).
– O. R. Mapper
Jul 20 at 8:57
1
"Sandbagger" goes back to stockcar racing. You'd hide sandbags (loaded with sand) in your car while running the trials. This slows you down to a certain extent, and gets you a better place in the starting lineup. For the race itself, you remove the sandbags - better acceleration and higher speed.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 10:07
|
show 1 more comment
14
Interestingly enough, Sandbagger is German for sand excavator
– infinitezero
Jul 19 at 14:35
14
Tiefstapler is the correct term, it's built analog to Hochstapler and conveys the same meaning.
– Janka
Jul 19 at 15:13
5
The description in LEO is not a good one, because Tiefstapler does not fit angenehm - if one considers the other person's pudency pleasant, the would rather call that person bescheiden.
– Volker Landgraf
Jul 19 at 15:22
1
@infinitezero: Absolutely, and when reading the term "Sandbagger" (in this question or elsewhere), I would definitely assume this refers to a children's toy for use in a sandbox (or at the beach).
– O. R. Mapper
Jul 20 at 8:57
1
"Sandbagger" goes back to stockcar racing. You'd hide sandbags (loaded with sand) in your car while running the trials. This slows you down to a certain extent, and gets you a better place in the starting lineup. For the race itself, you remove the sandbags - better acceleration and higher speed.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 10:07
14
14
Interestingly enough, Sandbagger is German for sand excavator
– infinitezero
Jul 19 at 14:35
Interestingly enough, Sandbagger is German for sand excavator
– infinitezero
Jul 19 at 14:35
14
14
Tiefstapler is the correct term, it's built analog to Hochstapler and conveys the same meaning.
– Janka
Jul 19 at 15:13
Tiefstapler is the correct term, it's built analog to Hochstapler and conveys the same meaning.
– Janka
Jul 19 at 15:13
5
5
The description in LEO is not a good one, because Tiefstapler does not fit angenehm - if one considers the other person's pudency pleasant, the would rather call that person bescheiden.
– Volker Landgraf
Jul 19 at 15:22
The description in LEO is not a good one, because Tiefstapler does not fit angenehm - if one considers the other person's pudency pleasant, the would rather call that person bescheiden.
– Volker Landgraf
Jul 19 at 15:22
1
1
@infinitezero: Absolutely, and when reading the term "Sandbagger" (in this question or elsewhere), I would definitely assume this refers to a children's toy for use in a sandbox (or at the beach).
– O. R. Mapper
Jul 20 at 8:57
@infinitezero: Absolutely, and when reading the term "Sandbagger" (in this question or elsewhere), I would definitely assume this refers to a children's toy for use in a sandbox (or at the beach).
– O. R. Mapper
Jul 20 at 8:57
1
1
"Sandbagger" goes back to stockcar racing. You'd hide sandbags (loaded with sand) in your car while running the trials. This slows you down to a certain extent, and gets you a better place in the starting lineup. For the race itself, you remove the sandbags - better acceleration and higher speed.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 10:07
"Sandbagger" goes back to stockcar racing. You'd hide sandbags (loaded with sand) in your car while running the trials. This slows you down to a certain extent, and gets you a better place in the starting lineup. For the race itself, you remove the sandbags - better acceleration and higher speed.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 10:07
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Der Tiefstapler is built as an analogon to der Hochstapler.
Der Hochstapler is someone who deceives people e.g. by faking knowledge, wealth or contacts. Die Hochstapelei is the whole setup of smoke and mirrors.
It's hoch + stapeln == stack high, about building a stack of abilities higher than one would expect so it seems to be a good opportunity to start a business with this person.
Note hochstapeln is mostly about business and jobs. There are distinct words for people who just brag (Angeber) and people who fake a love interest (Heiratsschwindler).
Der Tiefstapler also deceives people, but not by stacking high but instead by stacking low. That's the whole idea behind this word formation.
Ich verstehe nicht viel davon. – Du elender Tiefstapler hast ein Buch darüber geschrieben!
In contrary to der Hochstapler, der Tiefstapler isn't about serious business but about social interaction. What makes it a bit complicated is a certain grade of modesty is the default way of ranking your own abilities in interaction between Germans, Austrians, Swiss Germans. That's why Duden gives falsche Bescheidenheit as an explanation.
So, die Tiefstapelei is a really gross kind of understatement, so extreme it cannot be tolerated silently.
answered Jul 21 at 9:51
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How does Tiefstapler fit to "makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors"? As far as I understand your answer, the Tiefstapler has no intention to fool any competitor or to beat them while they thought to be on winner's side. Given example has no "cannot be tolerated silently" or forces the Tiefstapler to change his behavior because the others would have a disadvantage if he keeps doing so. It simply says the second speaker knows and claims that first speaker should speak out his opinion.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 21 at 19:16
It's a book about golf, no?
– Janka
Jul 21 at 21:25
Hochstapler hat auch eine völlig andere Bedeutung: Fork lift truck. Wird im Warenhaus benutzt um Paletten hochzustapeln.
– gnasher729
Jul 22 at 8:24
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A "Tiefstapler" is guilty of "hiding his light under a bushel" rather than guilty of "cheating" as the word "sandbagger" implies.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 12:12
@Janka: no, I see no limitation or at least a connection to golf or a book mentioned in the question. I had no idea "tiefstapeln" could have a different meaning in Golfing than in general.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 22 at 13:28
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Regarding the aspect "appear [weaker] to fool" I would say it is simply a Täuschung / Täuschungsmanöver.
That is not specific to "appear weaker", it is just to appear as someone else to make a different impression than you would if you show your true being.
As you read about Tiefstapler/ Tiefstapelei it is more a "polite behavior", like you don't talk about your abilities, you just show them once they are needed.
answered Jul 19 at 15:28
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In games, in particular in card games with a bidding phase such as skat, this behaviour is called "mauern". Note that this meaning of "mauern" is more or less restricted to gaming, though.
answered Jul 19 at 14:39
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"mauern" may be the best translation available, but it's still not quite fitting - it means playing unnecessarily defensively rather than weakly. A good defense in e.g.soccer can require supreme skill.
– Kilian Foth
Jul 19 at 14:52
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@KilianFoth It's not "playing weakly", but it's "pretending to have a weak hand", or more precisely, "not bidding (enough) in spite of having a strong hand".
– Uwe
Jul 19 at 16:55
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The most similar I can think of is
Bluffer (compare bluffen, Bluff)
Related: Simulant, Heuchler
answered Jul 19 at 18:42
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true,bluffenis much more gaming specific than my broadtäuschen
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 20 at 11:46
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Ein Bluff ist das Voräuschen einer nicht vorhandenen Stärke. Hier geht es aber um das Verschleiern einer vorhandenen Stärke, also genau um das Gegenteil. Daher gebe ich hier -1.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 16:14
@jonathan.scholbach: Ein Bluffer will etwas erreichen, je nach Zweckmäßigkeit stellt er sich stark oder schwach; »bluffen« heißt täuschen.
– Pollitzer
Jul 20 at 19:30
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Das ist in meinen Augen halt wirklich falsch. Ein Bluff ist immer das Vortäuschen einer zu stärkeren Hand. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff_(poker), de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff Vgl. auch die Etymologie von dwds.de/wb/Bluff Aber vielleicht hat sich der Begriff gewandelt, und ich habe es nicht mitbekommen. Der Duden hat die allgemeine, in meinen Augen ungenaue Definition als bloße "Täuschung". Kannst du mir vielleicht Beispiele der Verwendung von Bluff nennen, in denen damit eine vorgetäuschte Schwäche bezeichnet wird?
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 19:59
Im Englischen jedenfalls scheint es diese Bedeutungserweiterung nicht zu geben: merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bluff Das heißt natürlich nicht, dass sich das Deutsche Wort Bluff nicht eigenständig weiterentwickelt haben könnte. Aber ohne eine relevante Anzahl von Beispielen fällt es mir schwer, das zu glauben.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 20:03
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I don't think there is a fitting German word, but there is an idiom
mit angezogener Handbremse spielen
mit angezogener Handbremse fahren
etwas mit angezogener Handbremse machen
meaning you aren't doing something the best you can in order to save your energy or because you don't have to.
So you could paraphrase a sandbagger as
Jemanden der (absichtlich) mit angezogener Handbremse spielt (um seine Gegner in Sicherheit zu wiegen)
And to add a few words to your list
Abzocker
Trickser
Trickspieler
You may even think about the english word
Hustler
as some movies and TV-series already introduced this word and it's meaning to some Germans.
answered Jul 20 at 15:17
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Langenscheidts Slang-Wörterbuch has only the verb to sandbag and gives the translation:
täuschen, über den Tisch ziehen
Unfortunately Täuscher is far too general (and Looking dated) and there is no snappy substantive for über den Tisch ziehen.
answered Jul 19 at 18:11
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The most likely pejorative term to be used in this context is "Abzocker" even though it does not imply the particular way in which someone is getting better odds than the other party is aware of. Another is "Schauspieler" in a derogative manner, like "Was falle ich Depp auch auf so einen Schauspieler herein?!".
Ich dachte einfach an „Zocker“.
– Michael Hoppe
Jul 20 at 19:54
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Der Tiefstapler is built as an analogon to der Hochstapler.
Der Hochstapler is someone who deceives people e.g. by faking knowledge, wealth or contacts. Die Hochstapelei is the whole setup of smoke and mirrors.
It's hoch + stapeln == stack high, about building a stack of abilities higher than one would expect so it seems to be a good opportunity to start a business with this person.
Note hochstapeln is mostly about business and jobs. There are distinct words for people who just brag (Angeber) and people who fake a love interest (Heiratsschwindler).
Der Tiefstapler also deceives people, but not by stacking high but instead by stacking low. That's the whole idea behind this word formation.
Ich verstehe nicht viel davon. – Du elender Tiefstapler hast ein Buch darüber geschrieben!
In contrary to der Hochstapler, der Tiefstapler isn't about serious business but about social interaction. What makes it a bit complicated is a certain grade of modesty is the default way of ranking your own abilities in interaction between Germans, Austrians, Swiss Germans. That's why Duden gives falsche Bescheidenheit as an explanation.
So, die Tiefstapelei is a really gross kind of understatement, so extreme it cannot be tolerated silently.
answered Jul 21 at 9:51
JankaJanka
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How does Tiefstapler fit to "makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors"? As far as I understand your answer, the Tiefstapler has no intention to fool any competitor or to beat them while they thought to be on winner's side. Given example has no "cannot be tolerated silently" or forces the Tiefstapler to change his behavior because the others would have a disadvantage if he keeps doing so. It simply says the second speaker knows and claims that first speaker should speak out his opinion.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 21 at 19:16
It's a book about golf, no?
– Janka
Jul 21 at 21:25
Hochstapler hat auch eine völlig andere Bedeutung: Fork lift truck. Wird im Warenhaus benutzt um Paletten hochzustapeln.
– gnasher729
Jul 22 at 8:24
1
A "Tiefstapler" is guilty of "hiding his light under a bushel" rather than guilty of "cheating" as the word "sandbagger" implies.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 12:12
@Janka: no, I see no limitation or at least a connection to golf or a book mentioned in the question. I had no idea "tiefstapeln" could have a different meaning in Golfing than in general.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 22 at 13:28
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Der Tiefstapler is built as an analogon to der Hochstapler.
Der Hochstapler is someone who deceives people e.g. by faking knowledge, wealth or contacts. Die Hochstapelei is the whole setup of smoke and mirrors.
It's hoch + stapeln == stack high, about building a stack of abilities higher than one would expect so it seems to be a good opportunity to start a business with this person.
Note hochstapeln is mostly about business and jobs. There are distinct words for people who just brag (Angeber) and people who fake a love interest (Heiratsschwindler).
Der Tiefstapler also deceives people, but not by stacking high but instead by stacking low. That's the whole idea behind this word formation.
Ich verstehe nicht viel davon. – Du elender Tiefstapler hast ein Buch darüber geschrieben!
In contrary to der Hochstapler, der Tiefstapler isn't about serious business but about social interaction. What makes it a bit complicated is a certain grade of modesty is the default way of ranking your own abilities in interaction between Germans, Austrians, Swiss Germans. That's why Duden gives falsche Bescheidenheit as an explanation.
So, die Tiefstapelei is a really gross kind of understatement, so extreme it cannot be tolerated silently.
answered Jul 21 at 9:51
JankaJanka
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How does Tiefstapler fit to "makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors"? As far as I understand your answer, the Tiefstapler has no intention to fool any competitor or to beat them while they thought to be on winner's side. Given example has no "cannot be tolerated silently" or forces the Tiefstapler to change his behavior because the others would have a disadvantage if he keeps doing so. It simply says the second speaker knows and claims that first speaker should speak out his opinion.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 21 at 19:16
It's a book about golf, no?
– Janka
Jul 21 at 21:25
Hochstapler hat auch eine völlig andere Bedeutung: Fork lift truck. Wird im Warenhaus benutzt um Paletten hochzustapeln.
– gnasher729
Jul 22 at 8:24
1
A "Tiefstapler" is guilty of "hiding his light under a bushel" rather than guilty of "cheating" as the word "sandbagger" implies.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 12:12
@Janka: no, I see no limitation or at least a connection to golf or a book mentioned in the question. I had no idea "tiefstapeln" could have a different meaning in Golfing than in general.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 22 at 13:28
|
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Der Tiefstapler is built as an analogon to der Hochstapler.
Der Hochstapler is someone who deceives people e.g. by faking knowledge, wealth or contacts. Die Hochstapelei is the whole setup of smoke and mirrors.
It's hoch + stapeln == stack high, about building a stack of abilities higher than one would expect so it seems to be a good opportunity to start a business with this person.
Note hochstapeln is mostly about business and jobs. There are distinct words for people who just brag (Angeber) and people who fake a love interest (Heiratsschwindler).
Der Tiefstapler also deceives people, but not by stacking high but instead by stacking low. That's the whole idea behind this word formation.
Ich verstehe nicht viel davon. – Du elender Tiefstapler hast ein Buch darüber geschrieben!
In contrary to der Hochstapler, der Tiefstapler isn't about serious business but about social interaction. What makes it a bit complicated is a certain grade of modesty is the default way of ranking your own abilities in interaction between Germans, Austrians, Swiss Germans. That's why Duden gives falsche Bescheidenheit as an explanation.
So, die Tiefstapelei is a really gross kind of understatement, so extreme it cannot be tolerated silently.
answered Jul 21 at 9:51
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Der Tiefstapler is built as an analogon to der Hochstapler.
Der Hochstapler is someone who deceives people e.g. by faking knowledge, wealth or contacts. Die Hochstapelei is the whole setup of smoke and mirrors.
It's hoch + stapeln == stack high, about building a stack of abilities higher than one would expect so it seems to be a good opportunity to start a business with this person.
Note hochstapeln is mostly about business and jobs. There are distinct words for people who just brag (Angeber) and people who fake a love interest (Heiratsschwindler).
Der Tiefstapler also deceives people, but not by stacking high but instead by stacking low. That's the whole idea behind this word formation.
Ich verstehe nicht viel davon. – Du elender Tiefstapler hast ein Buch darüber geschrieben!
In contrary to der Hochstapler, der Tiefstapler isn't about serious business but about social interaction. What makes it a bit complicated is a certain grade of modesty is the default way of ranking your own abilities in interaction between Germans, Austrians, Swiss Germans. That's why Duden gives falsche Bescheidenheit as an explanation.
So, die Tiefstapelei is a really gross kind of understatement, so extreme it cannot be tolerated silently.
answered Jul 21 at 9:51
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How does Tiefstapler fit to "makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors"? As far as I understand your answer, the Tiefstapler has no intention to fool any competitor or to beat them while they thought to be on winner's side. Given example has no "cannot be tolerated silently" or forces the Tiefstapler to change his behavior because the others would have a disadvantage if he keeps doing so. It simply says the second speaker knows and claims that first speaker should speak out his opinion.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 21 at 19:16
It's a book about golf, no?
– Janka
Jul 21 at 21:25
Hochstapler hat auch eine völlig andere Bedeutung: Fork lift truck. Wird im Warenhaus benutzt um Paletten hochzustapeln.
– gnasher729
Jul 22 at 8:24
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A "Tiefstapler" is guilty of "hiding his light under a bushel" rather than guilty of "cheating" as the word "sandbagger" implies.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 12:12
@Janka: no, I see no limitation or at least a connection to golf or a book mentioned in the question. I had no idea "tiefstapeln" could have a different meaning in Golfing than in general.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 22 at 13:28
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How does Tiefstapler fit to "makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors"? As far as I understand your answer, the Tiefstapler has no intention to fool any competitor or to beat them while they thought to be on winner's side. Given example has no "cannot be tolerated silently" or forces the Tiefstapler to change his behavior because the others would have a disadvantage if he keeps doing so. It simply says the second speaker knows and claims that first speaker should speak out his opinion.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 21 at 19:16
It's a book about golf, no?
– Janka
Jul 21 at 21:25
Hochstapler hat auch eine völlig andere Bedeutung: Fork lift truck. Wird im Warenhaus benutzt um Paletten hochzustapeln.
– gnasher729
Jul 22 at 8:24
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A "Tiefstapler" is guilty of "hiding his light under a bushel" rather than guilty of "cheating" as the word "sandbagger" implies.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 12:12
@Janka: no, I see no limitation or at least a connection to golf or a book mentioned in the question. I had no idea "tiefstapeln" could have a different meaning in Golfing than in general.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 22 at 13:28
How does Tiefstapler fit to "makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors"? As far as I understand your answer, the Tiefstapler has no intention to fool any competitor or to beat them while they thought to be on winner's side. Given example has no "cannot be tolerated silently" or forces the Tiefstapler to change his behavior because the others would have a disadvantage if he keeps doing so. It simply says the second speaker knows and claims that first speaker should speak out his opinion.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 21 at 19:16
How does Tiefstapler fit to "makes themselves appear weaker to fool their competitors"? As far as I understand your answer, the Tiefstapler has no intention to fool any competitor or to beat them while they thought to be on winner's side. Given example has no "cannot be tolerated silently" or forces the Tiefstapler to change his behavior because the others would have a disadvantage if he keeps doing so. It simply says the second speaker knows and claims that first speaker should speak out his opinion.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 21 at 19:16
It's a book about golf, no?
– Janka
Jul 21 at 21:25
It's a book about golf, no?
– Janka
Jul 21 at 21:25
Hochstapler hat auch eine völlig andere Bedeutung: Fork lift truck. Wird im Warenhaus benutzt um Paletten hochzustapeln.
– gnasher729
Jul 22 at 8:24
Hochstapler hat auch eine völlig andere Bedeutung: Fork lift truck. Wird im Warenhaus benutzt um Paletten hochzustapeln.
– gnasher729
Jul 22 at 8:24
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A "Tiefstapler" is guilty of "hiding his light under a bushel" rather than guilty of "cheating" as the word "sandbagger" implies.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 12:12
A "Tiefstapler" is guilty of "hiding his light under a bushel" rather than guilty of "cheating" as the word "sandbagger" implies.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 12:12
@Janka: no, I see no limitation or at least a connection to golf or a book mentioned in the question. I had no idea "tiefstapeln" could have a different meaning in Golfing than in general.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 22 at 13:28
@Janka: no, I see no limitation or at least a connection to golf or a book mentioned in the question. I had no idea "tiefstapeln" could have a different meaning in Golfing than in general.
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 22 at 13:28
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Regarding the aspect "appear [weaker] to fool" I would say it is simply a Täuschung / Täuschungsmanöver.
That is not specific to "appear weaker", it is just to appear as someone else to make a different impression than you would if you show your true being.
As you read about Tiefstapler/ Tiefstapelei it is more a "polite behavior", like you don't talk about your abilities, you just show them once they are needed.
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Regarding the aspect "appear [weaker] to fool" I would say it is simply a Täuschung / Täuschungsmanöver.
That is not specific to "appear weaker", it is just to appear as someone else to make a different impression than you would if you show your true being.
As you read about Tiefstapler/ Tiefstapelei it is more a "polite behavior", like you don't talk about your abilities, you just show them once they are needed.
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Regarding the aspect "appear [weaker] to fool" I would say it is simply a Täuschung / Täuschungsmanöver.
That is not specific to "appear weaker", it is just to appear as someone else to make a different impression than you would if you show your true being.
As you read about Tiefstapler/ Tiefstapelei it is more a "polite behavior", like you don't talk about your abilities, you just show them once they are needed.
answered Jul 19 at 15:28
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Regarding the aspect "appear [weaker] to fool" I would say it is simply a Täuschung / Täuschungsmanöver.
That is not specific to "appear weaker", it is just to appear as someone else to make a different impression than you would if you show your true being.
As you read about Tiefstapler/ Tiefstapelei it is more a "polite behavior", like you don't talk about your abilities, you just show them once they are needed.
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In games, in particular in card games with a bidding phase such as skat, this behaviour is called "mauern". Note that this meaning of "mauern" is more or less restricted to gaming, though.
answered Jul 19 at 14:39
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"mauern" may be the best translation available, but it's still not quite fitting - it means playing unnecessarily defensively rather than weakly. A good defense in e.g.soccer can require supreme skill.
– Kilian Foth
Jul 19 at 14:52
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@KilianFoth It's not "playing weakly", but it's "pretending to have a weak hand", or more precisely, "not bidding (enough) in spite of having a strong hand".
– Uwe
Jul 19 at 16:55
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In games, in particular in card games with a bidding phase such as skat, this behaviour is called "mauern". Note that this meaning of "mauern" is more or less restricted to gaming, though.
answered Jul 19 at 14:39
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"mauern" may be the best translation available, but it's still not quite fitting - it means playing unnecessarily defensively rather than weakly. A good defense in e.g.soccer can require supreme skill.
– Kilian Foth
Jul 19 at 14:52
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@KilianFoth It's not "playing weakly", but it's "pretending to have a weak hand", or more precisely, "not bidding (enough) in spite of having a strong hand".
– Uwe
Jul 19 at 16:55
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In games, in particular in card games with a bidding phase such as skat, this behaviour is called "mauern". Note that this meaning of "mauern" is more or less restricted to gaming, though.
answered Jul 19 at 14:39
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In games, in particular in card games with a bidding phase such as skat, this behaviour is called "mauern". Note that this meaning of "mauern" is more or less restricted to gaming, though.
answered Jul 19 at 14:39
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answered Jul 19 at 14:39
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answered Jul 19 at 14:39
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"mauern" may be the best translation available, but it's still not quite fitting - it means playing unnecessarily defensively rather than weakly. A good defense in e.g.soccer can require supreme skill.
– Kilian Foth
Jul 19 at 14:52
2
@KilianFoth It's not "playing weakly", but it's "pretending to have a weak hand", or more precisely, "not bidding (enough) in spite of having a strong hand".
– Uwe
Jul 19 at 16:55
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5
"mauern" may be the best translation available, but it's still not quite fitting - it means playing unnecessarily defensively rather than weakly. A good defense in e.g.soccer can require supreme skill.
– Kilian Foth
Jul 19 at 14:52
2
@KilianFoth It's not "playing weakly", but it's "pretending to have a weak hand", or more precisely, "not bidding (enough) in spite of having a strong hand".
– Uwe
Jul 19 at 16:55
5
5
"mauern" may be the best translation available, but it's still not quite fitting - it means playing unnecessarily defensively rather than weakly. A good defense in e.g.soccer can require supreme skill.
– Kilian Foth
Jul 19 at 14:52
"mauern" may be the best translation available, but it's still not quite fitting - it means playing unnecessarily defensively rather than weakly. A good defense in e.g.soccer can require supreme skill.
– Kilian Foth
Jul 19 at 14:52
2
2
@KilianFoth It's not "playing weakly", but it's "pretending to have a weak hand", or more precisely, "not bidding (enough) in spite of having a strong hand".
– Uwe
Jul 19 at 16:55
@KilianFoth It's not "playing weakly", but it's "pretending to have a weak hand", or more precisely, "not bidding (enough) in spite of having a strong hand".
– Uwe
Jul 19 at 16:55
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The most similar I can think of is
Bluffer (compare bluffen, Bluff)
Related: Simulant, Heuchler
answered Jul 19 at 18:42
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true,bluffenis much more gaming specific than my broadtäuschen
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 20 at 11:46
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Ein Bluff ist das Voräuschen einer nicht vorhandenen Stärke. Hier geht es aber um das Verschleiern einer vorhandenen Stärke, also genau um das Gegenteil. Daher gebe ich hier -1.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 16:14
@jonathan.scholbach: Ein Bluffer will etwas erreichen, je nach Zweckmäßigkeit stellt er sich stark oder schwach; »bluffen« heißt täuschen.
– Pollitzer
Jul 20 at 19:30
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Das ist in meinen Augen halt wirklich falsch. Ein Bluff ist immer das Vortäuschen einer zu stärkeren Hand. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff_(poker), de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff Vgl. auch die Etymologie von dwds.de/wb/Bluff Aber vielleicht hat sich der Begriff gewandelt, und ich habe es nicht mitbekommen. Der Duden hat die allgemeine, in meinen Augen ungenaue Definition als bloße "Täuschung". Kannst du mir vielleicht Beispiele der Verwendung von Bluff nennen, in denen damit eine vorgetäuschte Schwäche bezeichnet wird?
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 19:59
Im Englischen jedenfalls scheint es diese Bedeutungserweiterung nicht zu geben: merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bluff Das heißt natürlich nicht, dass sich das Deutsche Wort Bluff nicht eigenständig weiterentwickelt haben könnte. Aber ohne eine relevante Anzahl von Beispielen fällt es mir schwer, das zu glauben.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 20:03
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The most similar I can think of is
Bluffer (compare bluffen, Bluff)
Related: Simulant, Heuchler
answered Jul 19 at 18:42
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true,bluffenis much more gaming specific than my broadtäuschen
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 20 at 11:46
1
Ein Bluff ist das Voräuschen einer nicht vorhandenen Stärke. Hier geht es aber um das Verschleiern einer vorhandenen Stärke, also genau um das Gegenteil. Daher gebe ich hier -1.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 16:14
@jonathan.scholbach: Ein Bluffer will etwas erreichen, je nach Zweckmäßigkeit stellt er sich stark oder schwach; »bluffen« heißt täuschen.
– Pollitzer
Jul 20 at 19:30
1
Das ist in meinen Augen halt wirklich falsch. Ein Bluff ist immer das Vortäuschen einer zu stärkeren Hand. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff_(poker), de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff Vgl. auch die Etymologie von dwds.de/wb/Bluff Aber vielleicht hat sich der Begriff gewandelt, und ich habe es nicht mitbekommen. Der Duden hat die allgemeine, in meinen Augen ungenaue Definition als bloße "Täuschung". Kannst du mir vielleicht Beispiele der Verwendung von Bluff nennen, in denen damit eine vorgetäuschte Schwäche bezeichnet wird?
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 19:59
Im Englischen jedenfalls scheint es diese Bedeutungserweiterung nicht zu geben: merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bluff Das heißt natürlich nicht, dass sich das Deutsche Wort Bluff nicht eigenständig weiterentwickelt haben könnte. Aber ohne eine relevante Anzahl von Beispielen fällt es mir schwer, das zu glauben.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 20:03
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The most similar I can think of is
Bluffer (compare bluffen, Bluff)
Related: Simulant, Heuchler
answered Jul 19 at 18:42
PollitzerPollitzer
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The most similar I can think of is
Bluffer (compare bluffen, Bluff)
Related: Simulant, Heuchler
answered Jul 19 at 18:42
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answered Jul 19 at 18:42
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answered Jul 19 at 18:42
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answered Jul 19 at 18:42
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true,bluffenis much more gaming specific than my broadtäuschen
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 20 at 11:46
1
Ein Bluff ist das Voräuschen einer nicht vorhandenen Stärke. Hier geht es aber um das Verschleiern einer vorhandenen Stärke, also genau um das Gegenteil. Daher gebe ich hier -1.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 16:14
@jonathan.scholbach: Ein Bluffer will etwas erreichen, je nach Zweckmäßigkeit stellt er sich stark oder schwach; »bluffen« heißt täuschen.
– Pollitzer
Jul 20 at 19:30
1
Das ist in meinen Augen halt wirklich falsch. Ein Bluff ist immer das Vortäuschen einer zu stärkeren Hand. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff_(poker), de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff Vgl. auch die Etymologie von dwds.de/wb/Bluff Aber vielleicht hat sich der Begriff gewandelt, und ich habe es nicht mitbekommen. Der Duden hat die allgemeine, in meinen Augen ungenaue Definition als bloße "Täuschung". Kannst du mir vielleicht Beispiele der Verwendung von Bluff nennen, in denen damit eine vorgetäuschte Schwäche bezeichnet wird?
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 19:59
Im Englischen jedenfalls scheint es diese Bedeutungserweiterung nicht zu geben: merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bluff Das heißt natürlich nicht, dass sich das Deutsche Wort Bluff nicht eigenständig weiterentwickelt haben könnte. Aber ohne eine relevante Anzahl von Beispielen fällt es mir schwer, das zu glauben.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 20:03
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true,bluffenis much more gaming specific than my broadtäuschen
– Shegit Brahm
Jul 20 at 11:46
1
Ein Bluff ist das Voräuschen einer nicht vorhandenen Stärke. Hier geht es aber um das Verschleiern einer vorhandenen Stärke, also genau um das Gegenteil. Daher gebe ich hier -1.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 16:14
@jonathan.scholbach: Ein Bluffer will etwas erreichen, je nach Zweckmäßigkeit stellt er sich stark oder schwach; »bluffen« heißt täuschen.
– Pollitzer
Jul 20 at 19:30
1
Das ist in meinen Augen halt wirklich falsch. Ein Bluff ist immer das Vortäuschen einer zu stärkeren Hand. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff_(poker), de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff Vgl. auch die Etymologie von dwds.de/wb/Bluff Aber vielleicht hat sich der Begriff gewandelt, und ich habe es nicht mitbekommen. Der Duden hat die allgemeine, in meinen Augen ungenaue Definition als bloße "Täuschung". Kannst du mir vielleicht Beispiele der Verwendung von Bluff nennen, in denen damit eine vorgetäuschte Schwäche bezeichnet wird?
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 19:59
Im Englischen jedenfalls scheint es diese Bedeutungserweiterung nicht zu geben: merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bluff Das heißt natürlich nicht, dass sich das Deutsche Wort Bluff nicht eigenständig weiterentwickelt haben könnte. Aber ohne eine relevante Anzahl von Beispielen fällt es mir schwer, das zu glauben.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 20:03
true,
bluffen is much more gaming specific than my broad täuschen– Shegit Brahm
Jul 20 at 11:46
true,
bluffen is much more gaming specific than my broad täuschen– Shegit Brahm
Jul 20 at 11:46
1
1
Ein Bluff ist das Voräuschen einer nicht vorhandenen Stärke. Hier geht es aber um das Verschleiern einer vorhandenen Stärke, also genau um das Gegenteil. Daher gebe ich hier -1.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 16:14
Ein Bluff ist das Voräuschen einer nicht vorhandenen Stärke. Hier geht es aber um das Verschleiern einer vorhandenen Stärke, also genau um das Gegenteil. Daher gebe ich hier -1.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 16:14
@jonathan.scholbach: Ein Bluffer will etwas erreichen, je nach Zweckmäßigkeit stellt er sich stark oder schwach; »bluffen« heißt täuschen.
– Pollitzer
Jul 20 at 19:30
@jonathan.scholbach: Ein Bluffer will etwas erreichen, je nach Zweckmäßigkeit stellt er sich stark oder schwach; »bluffen« heißt täuschen.
– Pollitzer
Jul 20 at 19:30
1
1
Das ist in meinen Augen halt wirklich falsch. Ein Bluff ist immer das Vortäuschen einer zu stärkeren Hand. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff_(poker), de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff Vgl. auch die Etymologie von dwds.de/wb/Bluff Aber vielleicht hat sich der Begriff gewandelt, und ich habe es nicht mitbekommen. Der Duden hat die allgemeine, in meinen Augen ungenaue Definition als bloße "Täuschung". Kannst du mir vielleicht Beispiele der Verwendung von Bluff nennen, in denen damit eine vorgetäuschte Schwäche bezeichnet wird?
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 19:59
Das ist in meinen Augen halt wirklich falsch. Ein Bluff ist immer das Vortäuschen einer zu stärkeren Hand. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff_(poker), de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluff Vgl. auch die Etymologie von dwds.de/wb/Bluff Aber vielleicht hat sich der Begriff gewandelt, und ich habe es nicht mitbekommen. Der Duden hat die allgemeine, in meinen Augen ungenaue Definition als bloße "Täuschung". Kannst du mir vielleicht Beispiele der Verwendung von Bluff nennen, in denen damit eine vorgetäuschte Schwäche bezeichnet wird?
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 19:59
Im Englischen jedenfalls scheint es diese Bedeutungserweiterung nicht zu geben: merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bluff Das heißt natürlich nicht, dass sich das Deutsche Wort Bluff nicht eigenständig weiterentwickelt haben könnte. Aber ohne eine relevante Anzahl von Beispielen fällt es mir schwer, das zu glauben.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 20:03
Im Englischen jedenfalls scheint es diese Bedeutungserweiterung nicht zu geben: merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bluff Das heißt natürlich nicht, dass sich das Deutsche Wort Bluff nicht eigenständig weiterentwickelt haben könnte. Aber ohne eine relevante Anzahl von Beispielen fällt es mir schwer, das zu glauben.
– jonathan.scholbach
Jul 20 at 20:03
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I don't think there is a fitting German word, but there is an idiom
mit angezogener Handbremse spielen
mit angezogener Handbremse fahren
etwas mit angezogener Handbremse machen
meaning you aren't doing something the best you can in order to save your energy or because you don't have to.
So you could paraphrase a sandbagger as
Jemanden der (absichtlich) mit angezogener Handbremse spielt (um seine Gegner in Sicherheit zu wiegen)
And to add a few words to your list
Abzocker
Trickser
Trickspieler
You may even think about the english word
Hustler
as some movies and TV-series already introduced this word and it's meaning to some Germans.
answered Jul 20 at 15:17
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I don't think there is a fitting German word, but there is an idiom
mit angezogener Handbremse spielen
mit angezogener Handbremse fahren
etwas mit angezogener Handbremse machen
meaning you aren't doing something the best you can in order to save your energy or because you don't have to.
So you could paraphrase a sandbagger as
Jemanden der (absichtlich) mit angezogener Handbremse spielt (um seine Gegner in Sicherheit zu wiegen)
And to add a few words to your list
Abzocker
Trickser
Trickspieler
You may even think about the english word
Hustler
as some movies and TV-series already introduced this word and it's meaning to some Germans.
answered Jul 20 at 15:17
mtwdemtwde
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I don't think there is a fitting German word, but there is an idiom
mit angezogener Handbremse spielen
mit angezogener Handbremse fahren
etwas mit angezogener Handbremse machen
meaning you aren't doing something the best you can in order to save your energy or because you don't have to.
So you could paraphrase a sandbagger as
Jemanden der (absichtlich) mit angezogener Handbremse spielt (um seine Gegner in Sicherheit zu wiegen)
And to add a few words to your list
Abzocker
Trickser
Trickspieler
You may even think about the english word
Hustler
as some movies and TV-series already introduced this word and it's meaning to some Germans.
answered Jul 20 at 15:17
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I don't think there is a fitting German word, but there is an idiom
mit angezogener Handbremse spielen
mit angezogener Handbremse fahren
etwas mit angezogener Handbremse machen
meaning you aren't doing something the best you can in order to save your energy or because you don't have to.
So you could paraphrase a sandbagger as
Jemanden der (absichtlich) mit angezogener Handbremse spielt (um seine Gegner in Sicherheit zu wiegen)
And to add a few words to your list
Abzocker
Trickser
Trickspieler
You may even think about the english word
Hustler
as some movies and TV-series already introduced this word and it's meaning to some Germans.
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Langenscheidts Slang-Wörterbuch has only the verb to sandbag and gives the translation:
täuschen, über den Tisch ziehen
Unfortunately Täuscher is far too general (and Looking dated) and there is no snappy substantive for über den Tisch ziehen.
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Langenscheidts Slang-Wörterbuch has only the verb to sandbag and gives the translation:
täuschen, über den Tisch ziehen
Unfortunately Täuscher is far too general (and Looking dated) and there is no snappy substantive for über den Tisch ziehen.
answered Jul 19 at 18:11
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Langenscheidts Slang-Wörterbuch has only the verb to sandbag and gives the translation:
täuschen, über den Tisch ziehen
Unfortunately Täuscher is far too general (and Looking dated) and there is no snappy substantive for über den Tisch ziehen.
answered Jul 19 at 18:11
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Langenscheidts Slang-Wörterbuch has only the verb to sandbag and gives the translation:
täuschen, über den Tisch ziehen
Unfortunately Täuscher is far too general (and Looking dated) and there is no snappy substantive for über den Tisch ziehen.
answered Jul 19 at 18:11
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The most likely pejorative term to be used in this context is "Abzocker" even though it does not imply the particular way in which someone is getting better odds than the other party is aware of. Another is "Schauspieler" in a derogative manner, like "Was falle ich Depp auch auf so einen Schauspieler herein?!".
Ich dachte einfach an „Zocker“.
– Michael Hoppe
Jul 20 at 19:54
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The most likely pejorative term to be used in this context is "Abzocker" even though it does not imply the particular way in which someone is getting better odds than the other party is aware of. Another is "Schauspieler" in a derogative manner, like "Was falle ich Depp auch auf so einen Schauspieler herein?!".
Ich dachte einfach an „Zocker“.
– Michael Hoppe
Jul 20 at 19:54
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The most likely pejorative term to be used in this context is "Abzocker" even though it does not imply the particular way in which someone is getting better odds than the other party is aware of. Another is "Schauspieler" in a derogative manner, like "Was falle ich Depp auch auf so einen Schauspieler herein?!".
The most likely pejorative term to be used in this context is "Abzocker" even though it does not imply the particular way in which someone is getting better odds than the other party is aware of. Another is "Schauspieler" in a derogative manner, like "Was falle ich Depp auch auf so einen Schauspieler herein?!".
answered Jul 20 at 19:32
user39123
Ich dachte einfach an „Zocker“.
– Michael Hoppe
Jul 20 at 19:54
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Ich dachte einfach an „Zocker“.
– Michael Hoppe
Jul 20 at 19:54
Ich dachte einfach an „Zocker“.
– Michael Hoppe
Jul 20 at 19:54
Ich dachte einfach an „Zocker“.
– Michael Hoppe
Jul 20 at 19:54
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Interestingly enough, Sandbagger is German for sand excavator
– infinitezero
Jul 19 at 14:35
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Tiefstapler is the correct term, it's built analog to Hochstapler and conveys the same meaning.
– Janka
Jul 19 at 15:13
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The description in LEO is not a good one, because Tiefstapler does not fit angenehm - if one considers the other person's pudency pleasant, the would rather call that person bescheiden.
– Volker Landgraf
Jul 19 at 15:22
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@infinitezero: Absolutely, and when reading the term "Sandbagger" (in this question or elsewhere), I would definitely assume this refers to a children's toy for use in a sandbox (or at the beach).
– O. R. Mapper
Jul 20 at 8:57
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"Sandbagger" goes back to stockcar racing. You'd hide sandbags (loaded with sand) in your car while running the trials. This slows you down to a certain extent, and gets you a better place in the starting lineup. For the race itself, you remove the sandbags - better acceleration and higher speed.
– JRE
Jul 22 at 10:07