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Over the last week, there is a constant barrage of authentication failures to my email account from a variety of ip addresses - usually in blocks of exactly 575 attempts.



My password is as strong as a password can be so the chance of brute force winning is infinitesimal. However as a result of the authentication failures, my hosting provider keeps locking the email account.



Is there anything I can do (or that I can ask my hosting provider to do), or am I just screwed until the botnet moves on? Anyone with similar experience who can comment on whether I can expect this to ever end?










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  • 19





    Ask your email provider to make a change, that's the only options. In the meantime, open a new account and forward all emails to your new account so that you are still functional?

    – schroeder
    yesterday






  • 5





    Are you using one of the big email providers (Gmail, etc) or something smaller?

    – Anders
    yesterday






  • 8





    Get a better provider that isn't so vulnerable to this kind of trivial DoS?

    – Nate Eldredge
    yesterday






  • 4





    Maybe another account is under attack (Bank? Facebook? Income tax refund? Domain in your possession?), and they are taking out your email so you don't get notified.

    – jww
    yesterday







  • 2





    I had a similar experience with my account: The culprit actually was my phone, that had an outdated password for the account and repeatedly tried to log into it unsuccessfully.

    – pat3d3r
    15 hours ago

















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Over the last week, there is a constant barrage of authentication failures to my email account from a variety of ip addresses - usually in blocks of exactly 575 attempts.



My password is as strong as a password can be so the chance of brute force winning is infinitesimal. However as a result of the authentication failures, my hosting provider keeps locking the email account.



Is there anything I can do (or that I can ask my hosting provider to do), or am I just screwed until the botnet moves on? Anyone with similar experience who can comment on whether I can expect this to ever end?










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    Ask your email provider to make a change, that's the only options. In the meantime, open a new account and forward all emails to your new account so that you are still functional?

    – schroeder
    yesterday






  • 5





    Are you using one of the big email providers (Gmail, etc) or something smaller?

    – Anders
    yesterday






  • 8





    Get a better provider that isn't so vulnerable to this kind of trivial DoS?

    – Nate Eldredge
    yesterday






  • 4





    Maybe another account is under attack (Bank? Facebook? Income tax refund? Domain in your possession?), and they are taking out your email so you don't get notified.

    – jww
    yesterday







  • 2





    I had a similar experience with my account: The culprit actually was my phone, that had an outdated password for the account and repeatedly tried to log into it unsuccessfully.

    – pat3d3r
    15 hours ago













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Over the last week, there is a constant barrage of authentication failures to my email account from a variety of ip addresses - usually in blocks of exactly 575 attempts.



My password is as strong as a password can be so the chance of brute force winning is infinitesimal. However as a result of the authentication failures, my hosting provider keeps locking the email account.



Is there anything I can do (or that I can ask my hosting provider to do), or am I just screwed until the botnet moves on? Anyone with similar experience who can comment on whether I can expect this to ever end?










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Over the last week, there is a constant barrage of authentication failures to my email account from a variety of ip addresses - usually in blocks of exactly 575 attempts.



My password is as strong as a password can be so the chance of brute force winning is infinitesimal. However as a result of the authentication failures, my hosting provider keeps locking the email account.



Is there anything I can do (or that I can ask my hosting provider to do), or am I just screwed until the botnet moves on? Anyone with similar experience who can comment on whether I can expect this to ever end?







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  • 19





    Ask your email provider to make a change, that's the only options. In the meantime, open a new account and forward all emails to your new account so that you are still functional?

    – schroeder
    yesterday






  • 5





    Are you using one of the big email providers (Gmail, etc) or something smaller?

    – Anders
    yesterday






  • 8





    Get a better provider that isn't so vulnerable to this kind of trivial DoS?

    – Nate Eldredge
    yesterday






  • 4





    Maybe another account is under attack (Bank? Facebook? Income tax refund? Domain in your possession?), and they are taking out your email so you don't get notified.

    – jww
    yesterday







  • 2





    I had a similar experience with my account: The culprit actually was my phone, that had an outdated password for the account and repeatedly tried to log into it unsuccessfully.

    – pat3d3r
    15 hours ago












  • 19





    Ask your email provider to make a change, that's the only options. In the meantime, open a new account and forward all emails to your new account so that you are still functional?

    – schroeder
    yesterday






  • 5





    Are you using one of the big email providers (Gmail, etc) or something smaller?

    – Anders
    yesterday






  • 8





    Get a better provider that isn't so vulnerable to this kind of trivial DoS?

    – Nate Eldredge
    yesterday






  • 4





    Maybe another account is under attack (Bank? Facebook? Income tax refund? Domain in your possession?), and they are taking out your email so you don't get notified.

    – jww
    yesterday







  • 2





    I had a similar experience with my account: The culprit actually was my phone, that had an outdated password for the account and repeatedly tried to log into it unsuccessfully.

    – pat3d3r
    15 hours ago







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19





Ask your email provider to make a change, that's the only options. In the meantime, open a new account and forward all emails to your new account so that you are still functional?

– schroeder
yesterday





Ask your email provider to make a change, that's the only options. In the meantime, open a new account and forward all emails to your new account so that you are still functional?

– schroeder
yesterday




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5





Are you using one of the big email providers (Gmail, etc) or something smaller?

– Anders
yesterday





Are you using one of the big email providers (Gmail, etc) or something smaller?

– Anders
yesterday




8




8





Get a better provider that isn't so vulnerable to this kind of trivial DoS?

– Nate Eldredge
yesterday





Get a better provider that isn't so vulnerable to this kind of trivial DoS?

– Nate Eldredge
yesterday




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4





Maybe another account is under attack (Bank? Facebook? Income tax refund? Domain in your possession?), and they are taking out your email so you don't get notified.

– jww
yesterday






Maybe another account is under attack (Bank? Facebook? Income tax refund? Domain in your possession?), and they are taking out your email so you don't get notified.

– jww
yesterday





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I had a similar experience with my account: The culprit actually was my phone, that had an outdated password for the account and repeatedly tried to log into it unsuccessfully.

– pat3d3r
15 hours ago





I had a similar experience with my account: The culprit actually was my phone, that had an outdated password for the account and repeatedly tried to log into it unsuccessfully.

– pat3d3r
15 hours ago










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A few thoughts:



  • Usually my first recommendation would be to pick an extremely strong password. But you allready got that covered.

  • If there is two factor authentication available, turn it on. If you are lucky, it might make you an unattractive target and cause the attacker to move on.

  • If the account lock out doesn't affect other methods of reading your mail, like via IMAP, you could switch to that to maintain access. (To be honest, I don't know much about the security of IMAP, so you might want to consider that before turning it on.)

  • Forwarding the mail somewhere else will also ensure that you can read it even if your account is locked.

  • Finally, you can try contacting your email provider. I think your best bet here is to just describe the problem to them, and ask what they can do to help you.





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    Would 2FA really help? The second factor isn't usually attemped until after a correct password is entered, and the attacker will never get that far.

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 1





    What makes you think he's not already using IMAP?

    – Barmar
    yesterday






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    @Barmar If the attacker's script isn't written to try to enter anything on the second factor, it might prevent the lock out. Worth a try at least.

    – jpmc26
    yesterday







  • 3





    I think most 2FA systems don't prompt for the second factor until after you successfully pass the first.

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 3





    @Barmar Yes, that is true, but my advice still stands. There is a non zero chance it helps, the effort is near zero, the risk is zero, and you should probably do it anyway. So even if it probably doesn't help, you should still do it.

    – Anders
    17 hours ago


















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No. That's pretty much the background noise of being on the internet.



From a random server I have with e-mail:



$ sudo grep -c "auth failed" /var/log/mail.log
1109


That's today. It's with fail2ban blocking more than five attempts from the same IP.






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    This is not the same thing. He is referring to one specific account, not the complete authentication log for a mailserver. This is attempts at one specific user.

    – John Keates
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  • True it is my account specifically - but I think vidario has it right in a general sense. My hosting company recently updated their implementation of csf, and I wonder if it’s too strict - I’ve been wondering if the attacks are nothing new - just a new policy of locking account after “x failed attempts in y minutes”...

    – clemdia
    20 hours ago



















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Yeah, it's pretty easy to have your official email address forward your emails to a new "burner" email account. Then in the new email account setup, you set your From: field to your official email address. That way mails go out like this.



 From: account-I-always-had@oldserver.com
Subject: Re: so-and-so
In-Reply-To: <4735813474834434634@theirmail.com>
Sender: burneraccount@newserver.com


Or something like that.



Anyway, that lets you keep your identity at the official email address. The attacks on the login server are irrelevant to receiving and forwarding email.



As is evident from the above, your new email address may be obvious from headers so don't set up an autoresponder. Only correspond with people you trust. If this burner email account comes under attack, trash this burner account, setup another one, and tell the official email server to forward to the new burner.



Then, research who you sent mail to in the last 2 days to the last burner account. One of them compromised it. Use one tactic or another to trick them into attacking this or another burner account, that lets you distinguish who exactly did it.






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    Or if possible, change username to be different from the address. This way you reply from the same address and have the same mailbox, but prevent account lockout.

    – Esa Jokinen
    20 hours ago






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    THIS (if only it were possible) - btw this experience has highlighted the lunacy of websites REQUIRING email address as username - just stupid.

    – clemdia
    20 hours ago







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    you might try using + to add a per domain suffix. then when you get spam it will (most likely) include who leaked your email. plus it becomes easy to block all emails that came from the domain

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You can set a firewall before your server and with right configuration you can reduce brute force attempts.



You try with your MTA configuration, an example can be Postfix:



smtpd_client_restrictions =
permit_sasl_authenticated,
reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org,
reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net,
reject_rbl_client cbl.abuseat.org,
reject_rbl_client sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org,
permit permit_mynetworks,
permit_inet_interfaces,





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    Are you assuming OP is running their own email server? I assumed the opposite, but now I am not sure what I think.

    – Anders
    17 hours ago











  • I read it the same way as you @Anders. The OP clearly asks if they should contact their email provider to fix this.

    – Conor Mancone
    6 hours ago



















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tl/dr: This is your hosting company's problem, not yours. You'll have
to contact them to get it fixed. Their security policies shouldn't
lock you out of your own account. They need to do security better.




You already have some answers that I agree heartily with and which cover the technical aspects of this, but I'm throwing in another answer to cover a "business" item. Here you hit on the crux of the issue:




However as a result of the authentication failures, my hosting
provider keeps locking the email account.




In otherwords, the problem isn't your problem. You have done everything you can to secure your account on someone else's mail server - you are using a strong password that can't be brute forced. The underlying issue here is that your hosting provider has implemented a bad security policy. As @vidarlo mentioned, this is just the background noise of the internet. Your hosting provider should know this. Unfortunately their chosen response has the side effect of locking you out of your account.



In essence the combination of your hosting company's choice of security policies and the standard password scanning that happens to every server on the internet has resulted in a denial of service (DoS) of your email. If your email went down because someone attempted an actual DoS of your hosting provider and filled their networks with useless bandwidth, the solution would be quite simple. You wouldn't be asking what you can do to fix the problem - you'd be yelling at your provider and asking them to fix it. After all, the whole point of using a third party email service provider is for them to provide you with a service. If you are not being provided with that service, either because their servers went down, or because their network is crippled by a DoS, or because their security policy is overly zealous and locks you out of your account, then the only real solution is for your hosting provider to fix it and provide you with the service that you are paying them to give you.



Many questions we get here are the result of people security all together.. However, there are plenty more examples of people trying to do security but just doing it wrong. This is one of those. You definitely need to yell at your hosting provider. If they can't provide you with the service you are paying for, then you need to switch to a provider that will (although hopefully it won't be the kind of provider that simply doesn't do security at all).






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  • Yes, +1 for this. I work for an email security company, and we have far more intelligent anti-bruteforce systems than the OP is experiencing. This sort of blunt-instrument protection is unnecessary - locking out the legitimate user because of a brute-force is just inviting denial-of-service. Consider changing your email provider if possible...

    – Steve Shipway
    3 hours ago











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A few thoughts:



  • Usually my first recommendation would be to pick an extremely strong password. But you allready got that covered.

  • If there is two factor authentication available, turn it on. If you are lucky, it might make you an unattractive target and cause the attacker to move on.

  • If the account lock out doesn't affect other methods of reading your mail, like via IMAP, you could switch to that to maintain access. (To be honest, I don't know much about the security of IMAP, so you might want to consider that before turning it on.)

  • Forwarding the mail somewhere else will also ensure that you can read it even if your account is locked.

  • Finally, you can try contacting your email provider. I think your best bet here is to just describe the problem to them, and ask what they can do to help you.





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    Would 2FA really help? The second factor isn't usually attemped until after a correct password is entered, and the attacker will never get that far.

    – Barmar
    yesterday






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    What makes you think he's not already using IMAP?

    – Barmar
    yesterday






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    @Barmar If the attacker's script isn't written to try to enter anything on the second factor, it might prevent the lock out. Worth a try at least.

    – jpmc26
    yesterday







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    I think most 2FA systems don't prompt for the second factor until after you successfully pass the first.

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 3





    @Barmar Yes, that is true, but my advice still stands. There is a non zero chance it helps, the effort is near zero, the risk is zero, and you should probably do it anyway. So even if it probably doesn't help, you should still do it.

    – Anders
    17 hours ago















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A few thoughts:



  • Usually my first recommendation would be to pick an extremely strong password. But you allready got that covered.

  • If there is two factor authentication available, turn it on. If you are lucky, it might make you an unattractive target and cause the attacker to move on.

  • If the account lock out doesn't affect other methods of reading your mail, like via IMAP, you could switch to that to maintain access. (To be honest, I don't know much about the security of IMAP, so you might want to consider that before turning it on.)

  • Forwarding the mail somewhere else will also ensure that you can read it even if your account is locked.

  • Finally, you can try contacting your email provider. I think your best bet here is to just describe the problem to them, and ask what they can do to help you.





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  • 4





    Would 2FA really help? The second factor isn't usually attemped until after a correct password is entered, and the attacker will never get that far.

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 1





    What makes you think he's not already using IMAP?

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 2





    @Barmar If the attacker's script isn't written to try to enter anything on the second factor, it might prevent the lock out. Worth a try at least.

    – jpmc26
    yesterday







  • 3





    I think most 2FA systems don't prompt for the second factor until after you successfully pass the first.

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 3





    @Barmar Yes, that is true, but my advice still stands. There is a non zero chance it helps, the effort is near zero, the risk is zero, and you should probably do it anyway. So even if it probably doesn't help, you should still do it.

    – Anders
    17 hours ago













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A few thoughts:



  • Usually my first recommendation would be to pick an extremely strong password. But you allready got that covered.

  • If there is two factor authentication available, turn it on. If you are lucky, it might make you an unattractive target and cause the attacker to move on.

  • If the account lock out doesn't affect other methods of reading your mail, like via IMAP, you could switch to that to maintain access. (To be honest, I don't know much about the security of IMAP, so you might want to consider that before turning it on.)

  • Forwarding the mail somewhere else will also ensure that you can read it even if your account is locked.

  • Finally, you can try contacting your email provider. I think your best bet here is to just describe the problem to them, and ask what they can do to help you.





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A few thoughts:



  • Usually my first recommendation would be to pick an extremely strong password. But you allready got that covered.

  • If there is two factor authentication available, turn it on. If you are lucky, it might make you an unattractive target and cause the attacker to move on.

  • If the account lock out doesn't affect other methods of reading your mail, like via IMAP, you could switch to that to maintain access. (To be honest, I don't know much about the security of IMAP, so you might want to consider that before turning it on.)

  • Forwarding the mail somewhere else will also ensure that you can read it even if your account is locked.

  • Finally, you can try contacting your email provider. I think your best bet here is to just describe the problem to them, and ask what they can do to help you.






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    Would 2FA really help? The second factor isn't usually attemped until after a correct password is entered, and the attacker will never get that far.

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 1





    What makes you think he's not already using IMAP?

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 2





    @Barmar If the attacker's script isn't written to try to enter anything on the second factor, it might prevent the lock out. Worth a try at least.

    – jpmc26
    yesterday







  • 3





    I think most 2FA systems don't prompt for the second factor until after you successfully pass the first.

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 3





    @Barmar Yes, that is true, but my advice still stands. There is a non zero chance it helps, the effort is near zero, the risk is zero, and you should probably do it anyway. So even if it probably doesn't help, you should still do it.

    – Anders
    17 hours ago












  • 4





    Would 2FA really help? The second factor isn't usually attemped until after a correct password is entered, and the attacker will never get that far.

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 1





    What makes you think he's not already using IMAP?

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 2





    @Barmar If the attacker's script isn't written to try to enter anything on the second factor, it might prevent the lock out. Worth a try at least.

    – jpmc26
    yesterday







  • 3





    I think most 2FA systems don't prompt for the second factor until after you successfully pass the first.

    – Barmar
    yesterday






  • 3





    @Barmar Yes, that is true, but my advice still stands. There is a non zero chance it helps, the effort is near zero, the risk is zero, and you should probably do it anyway. So even if it probably doesn't help, you should still do it.

    – Anders
    17 hours ago







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Would 2FA really help? The second factor isn't usually attemped until after a correct password is entered, and the attacker will never get that far.

– Barmar
yesterday





Would 2FA really help? The second factor isn't usually attemped until after a correct password is entered, and the attacker will never get that far.

– Barmar
yesterday




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What makes you think he's not already using IMAP?

– Barmar
yesterday





What makes you think he's not already using IMAP?

– Barmar
yesterday




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@Barmar If the attacker's script isn't written to try to enter anything on the second factor, it might prevent the lock out. Worth a try at least.

– jpmc26
yesterday






@Barmar If the attacker's script isn't written to try to enter anything on the second factor, it might prevent the lock out. Worth a try at least.

– jpmc26
yesterday





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I think most 2FA systems don't prompt for the second factor until after you successfully pass the first.

– Barmar
yesterday





I think most 2FA systems don't prompt for the second factor until after you successfully pass the first.

– Barmar
yesterday




3




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@Barmar Yes, that is true, but my advice still stands. There is a non zero chance it helps, the effort is near zero, the risk is zero, and you should probably do it anyway. So even if it probably doesn't help, you should still do it.

– Anders
17 hours ago





@Barmar Yes, that is true, but my advice still stands. There is a non zero chance it helps, the effort is near zero, the risk is zero, and you should probably do it anyway. So even if it probably doesn't help, you should still do it.

– Anders
17 hours ago













22














No. That's pretty much the background noise of being on the internet.



From a random server I have with e-mail:



$ sudo grep -c "auth failed" /var/log/mail.log
1109


That's today. It's with fail2ban blocking more than five attempts from the same IP.






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  • 10





    This is not the same thing. He is referring to one specific account, not the complete authentication log for a mailserver. This is attempts at one specific user.

    – John Keates
    yesterday











  • True it is my account specifically - but I think vidario has it right in a general sense. My hosting company recently updated their implementation of csf, and I wonder if it’s too strict - I’ve been wondering if the attacks are nothing new - just a new policy of locking account after “x failed attempts in y minutes”...

    – clemdia
    20 hours ago
















22














No. That's pretty much the background noise of being on the internet.



From a random server I have with e-mail:



$ sudo grep -c "auth failed" /var/log/mail.log
1109


That's today. It's with fail2ban blocking more than five attempts from the same IP.






share|improve this answer


















  • 10





    This is not the same thing. He is referring to one specific account, not the complete authentication log for a mailserver. This is attempts at one specific user.

    – John Keates
    yesterday











  • True it is my account specifically - but I think vidario has it right in a general sense. My hosting company recently updated their implementation of csf, and I wonder if it’s too strict - I’ve been wondering if the attacks are nothing new - just a new policy of locking account after “x failed attempts in y minutes”...

    – clemdia
    20 hours ago














22












22








22







No. That's pretty much the background noise of being on the internet.



From a random server I have with e-mail:



$ sudo grep -c "auth failed" /var/log/mail.log
1109


That's today. It's with fail2ban blocking more than five attempts from the same IP.






share|improve this answer













No. That's pretty much the background noise of being on the internet.



From a random server I have with e-mail:



$ sudo grep -c "auth failed" /var/log/mail.log
1109


That's today. It's with fail2ban blocking more than five attempts from the same IP.







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answered yesterday









vidarlovidarlo

3,704723




3,704723







  • 10





    This is not the same thing. He is referring to one specific account, not the complete authentication log for a mailserver. This is attempts at one specific user.

    – John Keates
    yesterday











  • True it is my account specifically - but I think vidario has it right in a general sense. My hosting company recently updated their implementation of csf, and I wonder if it’s too strict - I’ve been wondering if the attacks are nothing new - just a new policy of locking account after “x failed attempts in y minutes”...

    – clemdia
    20 hours ago













  • 10





    This is not the same thing. He is referring to one specific account, not the complete authentication log for a mailserver. This is attempts at one specific user.

    – John Keates
    yesterday











  • True it is my account specifically - but I think vidario has it right in a general sense. My hosting company recently updated their implementation of csf, and I wonder if it’s too strict - I’ve been wondering if the attacks are nothing new - just a new policy of locking account after “x failed attempts in y minutes”...

    – clemdia
    20 hours ago








10




10





This is not the same thing. He is referring to one specific account, not the complete authentication log for a mailserver. This is attempts at one specific user.

– John Keates
yesterday





This is not the same thing. He is referring to one specific account, not the complete authentication log for a mailserver. This is attempts at one specific user.

– John Keates
yesterday













True it is my account specifically - but I think vidario has it right in a general sense. My hosting company recently updated their implementation of csf, and I wonder if it’s too strict - I’ve been wondering if the attacks are nothing new - just a new policy of locking account after “x failed attempts in y minutes”...

– clemdia
20 hours ago






True it is my account specifically - but I think vidario has it right in a general sense. My hosting company recently updated their implementation of csf, and I wonder if it’s too strict - I’ve been wondering if the attacks are nothing new - just a new policy of locking account after “x failed attempts in y minutes”...

– clemdia
20 hours ago












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Yeah, it's pretty easy to have your official email address forward your emails to a new "burner" email account. Then in the new email account setup, you set your From: field to your official email address. That way mails go out like this.



 From: account-I-always-had@oldserver.com
Subject: Re: so-and-so
In-Reply-To: <4735813474834434634@theirmail.com>
Sender: burneraccount@newserver.com


Or something like that.



Anyway, that lets you keep your identity at the official email address. The attacks on the login server are irrelevant to receiving and forwarding email.



As is evident from the above, your new email address may be obvious from headers so don't set up an autoresponder. Only correspond with people you trust. If this burner email account comes under attack, trash this burner account, setup another one, and tell the official email server to forward to the new burner.



Then, research who you sent mail to in the last 2 days to the last burner account. One of them compromised it. Use one tactic or another to trick them into attacking this or another burner account, that lets you distinguish who exactly did it.






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  • 2





    Or if possible, change username to be different from the address. This way you reply from the same address and have the same mailbox, but prevent account lockout.

    – Esa Jokinen
    20 hours ago






  • 1





    THIS (if only it were possible) - btw this experience has highlighted the lunacy of websites REQUIRING email address as username - just stupid.

    – clemdia
    20 hours ago







  • 1





    you might try using + to add a per domain suffix. then when you get spam it will (most likely) include who leaked your email. plus it becomes easy to block all emails that came from the domain

    – sudo rm -rf slash
    17 hours ago















8














Yeah, it's pretty easy to have your official email address forward your emails to a new "burner" email account. Then in the new email account setup, you set your From: field to your official email address. That way mails go out like this.



 From: account-I-always-had@oldserver.com
Subject: Re: so-and-so
In-Reply-To: <4735813474834434634@theirmail.com>
Sender: burneraccount@newserver.com


Or something like that.



Anyway, that lets you keep your identity at the official email address. The attacks on the login server are irrelevant to receiving and forwarding email.



As is evident from the above, your new email address may be obvious from headers so don't set up an autoresponder. Only correspond with people you trust. If this burner email account comes under attack, trash this burner account, setup another one, and tell the official email server to forward to the new burner.



Then, research who you sent mail to in the last 2 days to the last burner account. One of them compromised it. Use one tactic or another to trick them into attacking this or another burner account, that lets you distinguish who exactly did it.






share|improve this answer


















  • 2





    Or if possible, change username to be different from the address. This way you reply from the same address and have the same mailbox, but prevent account lockout.

    – Esa Jokinen
    20 hours ago






  • 1





    THIS (if only it were possible) - btw this experience has highlighted the lunacy of websites REQUIRING email address as username - just stupid.

    – clemdia
    20 hours ago







  • 1





    you might try using + to add a per domain suffix. then when you get spam it will (most likely) include who leaked your email. plus it becomes easy to block all emails that came from the domain

    – sudo rm -rf slash
    17 hours ago













8












8








8







Yeah, it's pretty easy to have your official email address forward your emails to a new "burner" email account. Then in the new email account setup, you set your From: field to your official email address. That way mails go out like this.



 From: account-I-always-had@oldserver.com
Subject: Re: so-and-so
In-Reply-To: <4735813474834434634@theirmail.com>
Sender: burneraccount@newserver.com


Or something like that.



Anyway, that lets you keep your identity at the official email address. The attacks on the login server are irrelevant to receiving and forwarding email.



As is evident from the above, your new email address may be obvious from headers so don't set up an autoresponder. Only correspond with people you trust. If this burner email account comes under attack, trash this burner account, setup another one, and tell the official email server to forward to the new burner.



Then, research who you sent mail to in the last 2 days to the last burner account. One of them compromised it. Use one tactic or another to trick them into attacking this or another burner account, that lets you distinguish who exactly did it.






share|improve this answer













Yeah, it's pretty easy to have your official email address forward your emails to a new "burner" email account. Then in the new email account setup, you set your From: field to your official email address. That way mails go out like this.



 From: account-I-always-had@oldserver.com
Subject: Re: so-and-so
In-Reply-To: <4735813474834434634@theirmail.com>
Sender: burneraccount@newserver.com


Or something like that.



Anyway, that lets you keep your identity at the official email address. The attacks on the login server are irrelevant to receiving and forwarding email.



As is evident from the above, your new email address may be obvious from headers so don't set up an autoresponder. Only correspond with people you trust. If this burner email account comes under attack, trash this burner account, setup another one, and tell the official email server to forward to the new burner.



Then, research who you sent mail to in the last 2 days to the last burner account. One of them compromised it. Use one tactic or another to trick them into attacking this or another burner account, that lets you distinguish who exactly did it.







share|improve this answer












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answered yesterday









HarperHarper

2,110413




2,110413







  • 2





    Or if possible, change username to be different from the address. This way you reply from the same address and have the same mailbox, but prevent account lockout.

    – Esa Jokinen
    20 hours ago






  • 1





    THIS (if only it were possible) - btw this experience has highlighted the lunacy of websites REQUIRING email address as username - just stupid.

    – clemdia
    20 hours ago







  • 1





    you might try using + to add a per domain suffix. then when you get spam it will (most likely) include who leaked your email. plus it becomes easy to block all emails that came from the domain

    – sudo rm -rf slash
    17 hours ago












  • 2





    Or if possible, change username to be different from the address. This way you reply from the same address and have the same mailbox, but prevent account lockout.

    – Esa Jokinen
    20 hours ago






  • 1





    THIS (if only it were possible) - btw this experience has highlighted the lunacy of websites REQUIRING email address as username - just stupid.

    – clemdia
    20 hours ago







  • 1





    you might try using + to add a per domain suffix. then when you get spam it will (most likely) include who leaked your email. plus it becomes easy to block all emails that came from the domain

    – sudo rm -rf slash
    17 hours ago







2




2





Or if possible, change username to be different from the address. This way you reply from the same address and have the same mailbox, but prevent account lockout.

– Esa Jokinen
20 hours ago





Or if possible, change username to be different from the address. This way you reply from the same address and have the same mailbox, but prevent account lockout.

– Esa Jokinen
20 hours ago




1




1





THIS (if only it were possible) - btw this experience has highlighted the lunacy of websites REQUIRING email address as username - just stupid.

– clemdia
20 hours ago






THIS (if only it were possible) - btw this experience has highlighted the lunacy of websites REQUIRING email address as username - just stupid.

– clemdia
20 hours ago





1




1





you might try using + to add a per domain suffix. then when you get spam it will (most likely) include who leaked your email. plus it becomes easy to block all emails that came from the domain

– sudo rm -rf slash
17 hours ago





you might try using + to add a per domain suffix. then when you get spam it will (most likely) include who leaked your email. plus it becomes easy to block all emails that came from the domain

– sudo rm -rf slash
17 hours ago











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You can set a firewall before your server and with right configuration you can reduce brute force attempts.



You try with your MTA configuration, an example can be Postfix:



smtpd_client_restrictions =
permit_sasl_authenticated,
reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org,
reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net,
reject_rbl_client cbl.abuseat.org,
reject_rbl_client sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org,
permit permit_mynetworks,
permit_inet_interfaces,





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  • 1





    Are you assuming OP is running their own email server? I assumed the opposite, but now I am not sure what I think.

    – Anders
    17 hours ago











  • I read it the same way as you @Anders. The OP clearly asks if they should contact their email provider to fix this.

    – Conor Mancone
    6 hours ago
















2














You can set a firewall before your server and with right configuration you can reduce brute force attempts.



You try with your MTA configuration, an example can be Postfix:



smtpd_client_restrictions =
permit_sasl_authenticated,
reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org,
reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net,
reject_rbl_client cbl.abuseat.org,
reject_rbl_client sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org,
permit permit_mynetworks,
permit_inet_interfaces,





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  • 1





    Are you assuming OP is running their own email server? I assumed the opposite, but now I am not sure what I think.

    – Anders
    17 hours ago











  • I read it the same way as you @Anders. The OP clearly asks if they should contact their email provider to fix this.

    – Conor Mancone
    6 hours ago














2












2








2







You can set a firewall before your server and with right configuration you can reduce brute force attempts.



You try with your MTA configuration, an example can be Postfix:



smtpd_client_restrictions =
permit_sasl_authenticated,
reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org,
reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net,
reject_rbl_client cbl.abuseat.org,
reject_rbl_client sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org,
permit permit_mynetworks,
permit_inet_interfaces,





share|improve this answer













You can set a firewall before your server and with right configuration you can reduce brute force attempts.



You try with your MTA configuration, an example can be Postfix:



smtpd_client_restrictions =
permit_sasl_authenticated,
reject_rbl_client zen.spamhaus.org,
reject_rbl_client bl.spamcop.net,
reject_rbl_client cbl.abuseat.org,
reject_rbl_client sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org,
permit permit_mynetworks,
permit_inet_interfaces,






share|improve this answer












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answered 20 hours ago









MirsadMirsad

6,72352348




6,72352348







  • 1





    Are you assuming OP is running their own email server? I assumed the opposite, but now I am not sure what I think.

    – Anders
    17 hours ago











  • I read it the same way as you @Anders. The OP clearly asks if they should contact their email provider to fix this.

    – Conor Mancone
    6 hours ago













  • 1





    Are you assuming OP is running their own email server? I assumed the opposite, but now I am not sure what I think.

    – Anders
    17 hours ago











  • I read it the same way as you @Anders. The OP clearly asks if they should contact their email provider to fix this.

    – Conor Mancone
    6 hours ago








1




1





Are you assuming OP is running their own email server? I assumed the opposite, but now I am not sure what I think.

– Anders
17 hours ago





Are you assuming OP is running their own email server? I assumed the opposite, but now I am not sure what I think.

– Anders
17 hours ago













I read it the same way as you @Anders. The OP clearly asks if they should contact their email provider to fix this.

– Conor Mancone
6 hours ago






I read it the same way as you @Anders. The OP clearly asks if they should contact their email provider to fix this.

– Conor Mancone
6 hours ago












2















tl/dr: This is your hosting company's problem, not yours. You'll have
to contact them to get it fixed. Their security policies shouldn't
lock you out of your own account. They need to do security better.




You already have some answers that I agree heartily with and which cover the technical aspects of this, but I'm throwing in another answer to cover a "business" item. Here you hit on the crux of the issue:




However as a result of the authentication failures, my hosting
provider keeps locking the email account.




In otherwords, the problem isn't your problem. You have done everything you can to secure your account on someone else's mail server - you are using a strong password that can't be brute forced. The underlying issue here is that your hosting provider has implemented a bad security policy. As @vidarlo mentioned, this is just the background noise of the internet. Your hosting provider should know this. Unfortunately their chosen response has the side effect of locking you out of your account.



In essence the combination of your hosting company's choice of security policies and the standard password scanning that happens to every server on the internet has resulted in a denial of service (DoS) of your email. If your email went down because someone attempted an actual DoS of your hosting provider and filled their networks with useless bandwidth, the solution would be quite simple. You wouldn't be asking what you can do to fix the problem - you'd be yelling at your provider and asking them to fix it. After all, the whole point of using a third party email service provider is for them to provide you with a service. If you are not being provided with that service, either because their servers went down, or because their network is crippled by a DoS, or because their security policy is overly zealous and locks you out of your account, then the only real solution is for your hosting provider to fix it and provide you with the service that you are paying them to give you.



Many questions we get here are the result of people security all together.. However, there are plenty more examples of people trying to do security but just doing it wrong. This is one of those. You definitely need to yell at your hosting provider. If they can't provide you with the service you are paying for, then you need to switch to a provider that will (although hopefully it won't be the kind of provider that simply doesn't do security at all).






share|improve this answer

























  • Yes, +1 for this. I work for an email security company, and we have far more intelligent anti-bruteforce systems than the OP is experiencing. This sort of blunt-instrument protection is unnecessary - locking out the legitimate user because of a brute-force is just inviting denial-of-service. Consider changing your email provider if possible...

    – Steve Shipway
    3 hours ago















2















tl/dr: This is your hosting company's problem, not yours. You'll have
to contact them to get it fixed. Their security policies shouldn't
lock you out of your own account. They need to do security better.




You already have some answers that I agree heartily with and which cover the technical aspects of this, but I'm throwing in another answer to cover a "business" item. Here you hit on the crux of the issue:




However as a result of the authentication failures, my hosting
provider keeps locking the email account.




In otherwords, the problem isn't your problem. You have done everything you can to secure your account on someone else's mail server - you are using a strong password that can't be brute forced. The underlying issue here is that your hosting provider has implemented a bad security policy. As @vidarlo mentioned, this is just the background noise of the internet. Your hosting provider should know this. Unfortunately their chosen response has the side effect of locking you out of your account.



In essence the combination of your hosting company's choice of security policies and the standard password scanning that happens to every server on the internet has resulted in a denial of service (DoS) of your email. If your email went down because someone attempted an actual DoS of your hosting provider and filled their networks with useless bandwidth, the solution would be quite simple. You wouldn't be asking what you can do to fix the problem - you'd be yelling at your provider and asking them to fix it. After all, the whole point of using a third party email service provider is for them to provide you with a service. If you are not being provided with that service, either because their servers went down, or because their network is crippled by a DoS, or because their security policy is overly zealous and locks you out of your account, then the only real solution is for your hosting provider to fix it and provide you with the service that you are paying them to give you.



Many questions we get here are the result of people security all together.. However, there are plenty more examples of people trying to do security but just doing it wrong. This is one of those. You definitely need to yell at your hosting provider. If they can't provide you with the service you are paying for, then you need to switch to a provider that will (although hopefully it won't be the kind of provider that simply doesn't do security at all).






share|improve this answer

























  • Yes, +1 for this. I work for an email security company, and we have far more intelligent anti-bruteforce systems than the OP is experiencing. This sort of blunt-instrument protection is unnecessary - locking out the legitimate user because of a brute-force is just inviting denial-of-service. Consider changing your email provider if possible...

    – Steve Shipway
    3 hours ago













2












2








2








tl/dr: This is your hosting company's problem, not yours. You'll have
to contact them to get it fixed. Their security policies shouldn't
lock you out of your own account. They need to do security better.




You already have some answers that I agree heartily with and which cover the technical aspects of this, but I'm throwing in another answer to cover a "business" item. Here you hit on the crux of the issue:




However as a result of the authentication failures, my hosting
provider keeps locking the email account.




In otherwords, the problem isn't your problem. You have done everything you can to secure your account on someone else's mail server - you are using a strong password that can't be brute forced. The underlying issue here is that your hosting provider has implemented a bad security policy. As @vidarlo mentioned, this is just the background noise of the internet. Your hosting provider should know this. Unfortunately their chosen response has the side effect of locking you out of your account.



In essence the combination of your hosting company's choice of security policies and the standard password scanning that happens to every server on the internet has resulted in a denial of service (DoS) of your email. If your email went down because someone attempted an actual DoS of your hosting provider and filled their networks with useless bandwidth, the solution would be quite simple. You wouldn't be asking what you can do to fix the problem - you'd be yelling at your provider and asking them to fix it. After all, the whole point of using a third party email service provider is for them to provide you with a service. If you are not being provided with that service, either because their servers went down, or because their network is crippled by a DoS, or because their security policy is overly zealous and locks you out of your account, then the only real solution is for your hosting provider to fix it and provide you with the service that you are paying them to give you.



Many questions we get here are the result of people security all together.. However, there are plenty more examples of people trying to do security but just doing it wrong. This is one of those. You definitely need to yell at your hosting provider. If they can't provide you with the service you are paying for, then you need to switch to a provider that will (although hopefully it won't be the kind of provider that simply doesn't do security at all).






share|improve this answer
















tl/dr: This is your hosting company's problem, not yours. You'll have
to contact them to get it fixed. Their security policies shouldn't
lock you out of your own account. They need to do security better.




You already have some answers that I agree heartily with and which cover the technical aspects of this, but I'm throwing in another answer to cover a "business" item. Here you hit on the crux of the issue:




However as a result of the authentication failures, my hosting
provider keeps locking the email account.




In otherwords, the problem isn't your problem. You have done everything you can to secure your account on someone else's mail server - you are using a strong password that can't be brute forced. The underlying issue here is that your hosting provider has implemented a bad security policy. As @vidarlo mentioned, this is just the background noise of the internet. Your hosting provider should know this. Unfortunately their chosen response has the side effect of locking you out of your account.



In essence the combination of your hosting company's choice of security policies and the standard password scanning that happens to every server on the internet has resulted in a denial of service (DoS) of your email. If your email went down because someone attempted an actual DoS of your hosting provider and filled their networks with useless bandwidth, the solution would be quite simple. You wouldn't be asking what you can do to fix the problem - you'd be yelling at your provider and asking them to fix it. After all, the whole point of using a third party email service provider is for them to provide you with a service. If you are not being provided with that service, either because their servers went down, or because their network is crippled by a DoS, or because their security policy is overly zealous and locks you out of your account, then the only real solution is for your hosting provider to fix it and provide you with the service that you are paying them to give you.



Many questions we get here are the result of people security all together.. However, there are plenty more examples of people trying to do security but just doing it wrong. This is one of those. You definitely need to yell at your hosting provider. If they can't provide you with the service you are paying for, then you need to switch to a provider that will (although hopefully it won't be the kind of provider that simply doesn't do security at all).







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answered 6 hours ago









Conor ManconeConor Mancone

10.4k32151




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  • Yes, +1 for this. I work for an email security company, and we have far more intelligent anti-bruteforce systems than the OP is experiencing. This sort of blunt-instrument protection is unnecessary - locking out the legitimate user because of a brute-force is just inviting denial-of-service. Consider changing your email provider if possible...

    – Steve Shipway
    3 hours ago

















  • Yes, +1 for this. I work for an email security company, and we have far more intelligent anti-bruteforce systems than the OP is experiencing. This sort of blunt-instrument protection is unnecessary - locking out the legitimate user because of a brute-force is just inviting denial-of-service. Consider changing your email provider if possible...

    – Steve Shipway
    3 hours ago
















Yes, +1 for this. I work for an email security company, and we have far more intelligent anti-bruteforce systems than the OP is experiencing. This sort of blunt-instrument protection is unnecessary - locking out the legitimate user because of a brute-force is just inviting denial-of-service. Consider changing your email provider if possible...

– Steve Shipway
3 hours ago





Yes, +1 for this. I work for an email security company, and we have far more intelligent anti-bruteforce systems than the OP is experiencing. This sort of blunt-instrument protection is unnecessary - locking out the legitimate user because of a brute-force is just inviting denial-of-service. Consider changing your email provider if possible...

– Steve Shipway
3 hours ago










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