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I am writing something where I want to say the following:

I have never visited either Scotland (n)or England.

I couldn't find information about this on either this site (n)or any other site on Google, including the other questions I found on this site, to answer this question specifically. Most other sources never touch on this subject with a negative already in the sentence somewhere else.

As far as I understand, nor should only occur in combination with neither, so in that case my sentence should have or, but I'm not completely sure if that's correct.

negation neither-nor negative-polarity-items either-or

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I am writing something where I want to say the following:

I have never visited either Scotland (n)or England.

I couldn't find information about this on either this site (n)or any other site on Google, including the other questions I found on this site, to answer this question specifically. Most other sources never touch on this subject with a negative already in the sentence somewhere else.

As far as I understand, nor should only occur in combination with neither, so in that case my sentence should have or, but I'm not completely sure if that's correct.

negation neither-nor negative-polarity-items either-or

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• 
  
  
  

  
  2
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  "I have never visited Scotland or England" - "I have visited neither Scotland nor England."
  
  – Kate Bunting
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

I am writing something where I want to say the following:

I have never visited either Scotland (n)or England.

I couldn't find information about this on either this site (n)or any other site on Google, including the other questions I found on this site, to answer this question specifically. Most other sources never touch on this subject with a negative already in the sentence somewhere else.

As far as I understand, nor should only occur in combination with neither, so in that case my sentence should have or, but I'm not completely sure if that's correct.

negation neither-nor negative-polarity-items either-or

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It is not true that nor can only occur in sentences that also involve neither. But this is still quite a different proposition from trying to pair it up as either..nor instead of as neither..nor.

Consider this valid sentence and why it works:

I have never visited England, nor have I ever visited Scotland either.

Please see this answer for copious citations from the OED, literature, and other sources including:

• But it was never published (though some indication of its content could be gleaned from The Lord of the Rings), and throughout my father’s long life he never abandoned it, nor ceased even in his last years to work on it.


• I could not find her, nor even the crimson-shot orange disk of the old sun.


• And he would never walk, nor fly, nor be a knight.


• It has never been that way, nor is it now.

Most speakers today would say:

I have never visited England or Scotland.

But you could also get away with writing:

I’ve been to Wales a few times before via the quick jaunt across the Irish Sea, yet to this date I have never visited England — nor Scotland, come to think of it.

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  Thank you for this detailed explanation! For brevity, I think I'll go for the first one, but I'll use this advice for similar situations I might encounter.
  
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It is not true that nor can only occur in sentences that also involve neither. But this is still quite a different proposition from trying to pair it up as either..nor instead of as neither..nor.

Consider this valid sentence and why it works:

I have never visited England, nor have I ever visited Scotland either.

Please see this answer for copious citations from the OED, literature, and other sources including:

• But it was never published (though some indication of its content could be gleaned from The Lord of the Rings), and throughout my father’s long life he never abandoned it, nor ceased even in his last years to work on it.


• I could not find her, nor even the crimson-shot orange disk of the old sun.


• And he would never walk, nor fly, nor be a knight.


• It has never been that way, nor is it now.

Most speakers today would say:

I have never visited England or Scotland.

But you could also get away with writing:

I’ve been to Wales a few times before via the quick jaunt across the Irish Sea, yet to this date I have never visited England — nor Scotland, come to think of it.

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  Thank you for this detailed explanation! For brevity, I think I'll go for the first one, but I'll use this advice for similar situations I might encounter.
  
  – Joeytje50
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

4

It is not true that nor can only occur in sentences that also involve neither. But this is still quite a different proposition from trying to pair it up as either..nor instead of as neither..nor.

Consider this valid sentence and why it works:

I have never visited England, nor have I ever visited Scotland either.

Please see this answer for copious citations from the OED, literature, and other sources including:

• But it was never published (though some indication of its content could be gleaned from The Lord of the Rings), and throughout my father’s long life he never abandoned it, nor ceased even in his last years to work on it.


• I could not find her, nor even the crimson-shot orange disk of the old sun.


• And he would never walk, nor fly, nor be a knight.


• It has never been that way, nor is it now.

Most speakers today would say:

I have never visited England or Scotland.

But you could also get away with writing:

I’ve been to Wales a few times before via the quick jaunt across the Irish Sea, yet to this date I have never visited England — nor Scotland, come to think of it.

share|improve this answer

edited yesterday

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tchrist♦tchrist

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• 
  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Thank you for this detailed explanation! For brevity, I think I'll go for the first one, but I'll use this advice for similar situations I might encounter.
  
  – Joeytje50
  yesterday
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

It is not true that nor can only occur in sentences that also involve neither. But this is still quite a different proposition from trying to pair it up as either..nor instead of as neither..nor.

Consider this valid sentence and why it works:

I have never visited England, nor have I ever visited Scotland either.

Please see this answer for copious citations from the OED, literature, and other sources including:

• But it was never published (though some indication of its content could be gleaned from The Lord of the Rings), and throughout my father’s long life he never abandoned it, nor ceased even in his last years to work on it.


• I could not find her, nor even the crimson-shot orange disk of the old sun.


• And he would never walk, nor fly, nor be a knight.


• It has never been that way, nor is it now.

Most speakers today would say:

I have never visited England or Scotland.

But you could also get away with writing:

I’ve been to Wales a few times before via the quick jaunt across the Irish Sea, yet to this date I have never visited England — nor Scotland, come to think of it.

share|improve this answer

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