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Where did Wilson state that the US would have to force access to markets with violence?
When and where did Louis Blanc say the famous “from each according to his abilities…”?Did Louis XIV actually say “The State? I am the State.”? Could he have said it?Did Goebbels really say “Truth is the enemy of the state”? If so, when?“Save for the wild force of Nature, nothing moves in this world that is not Greek in its origin.”Which historian suggested that not building a navy would have enabled Germany to win WW1?Would the USA staying out of WWI have prevented WWII?Where did Metternich say the Balkans began?Did any leader say “We may have lost the battle, but not the war”?How would the Germans have sent the Zimmerman telegraph if the German-American telegraph line was cut?Why didn't the British Grand Fleet force an engagement with the German Imperial Navy in WW1?
US President Woodrow Wilson stated openly before the First World War:
"Diplomacy and, if need be, violence must open the way to the (foreign) markets."
His central argument was that US industries have
"spread to the point where they will burst at the seams if they cannot freely access the world's markets".(15)
Some historians even say that this was one of the main reasons for the US entering the First and Second World War.
This is quoted from Jürgen Todenhöfer: "Die große Heuchelei: Wie der Westen seine Werte verrät", Ullstein, 2019. (My translation from this page).
US-Präsident Woodrow Wilson erklärte vor dem Ersten Weltkrieg offen: „Diplomatie und, wenn es sein muss, Gewalt müssen den Weg zu den (ausländischen Märkten) erschließen.“ Sein zentrales Argument lautete: Die US-Industrien haben sich „bis zu dem Punkt ausgebreitet, wo sie aus den Nähten platzen werden, wenn sie keinen freien Zugang zu den Märkten der Welt finden“ (15). Manche Historiker meinen sogar, dies sei einer der Hauptgründe für den Kriegseintritt der USA in den Ersten und Zweiten Weltkrieg gewesen.
Allegedly, this is just citing
(15) Kennedy, Paul: Aufstieg und Fall der großen Mächte. Ökonomischer Wandel und militärischer Konflikt von 1500 bis 2000. Frankfurt am Main 1989, S. 374
The German version is not available to me, but checking this against
Paul Kennedy: "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000", Random House, 1987 I could not find this quote. Not even something remotely similar.
Widening the search for anything like that directly by Wilson was a dead end as well.
As far as I understand formatting of citations, the author implies to get his Wilson quote from Kennedy and either shortens it or splices two closely related sentences into one:
Diplomacy and, if need be, violence must open the way to the (foreign) markets […?][because] US industries have spread to the point where they will burst at the seams if they cannot freely access the world's markets.
Is this quoted out of context, invented, or did Wilson say something to this effect?
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US President Woodrow Wilson stated openly before the First World War:
"Diplomacy and, if need be, violence must open the way to the (foreign) markets."
His central argument was that US industries have
"spread to the point where they will burst at the seams if they cannot freely access the world's markets".(15)
Some historians even say that this was one of the main reasons for the US entering the First and Second World War.
This is quoted from Jürgen Todenhöfer: "Die große Heuchelei: Wie der Westen seine Werte verrät", Ullstein, 2019. (My translation from this page).
US-Präsident Woodrow Wilson erklärte vor dem Ersten Weltkrieg offen: „Diplomatie und, wenn es sein muss, Gewalt müssen den Weg zu den (ausländischen Märkten) erschließen.“ Sein zentrales Argument lautete: Die US-Industrien haben sich „bis zu dem Punkt ausgebreitet, wo sie aus den Nähten platzen werden, wenn sie keinen freien Zugang zu den Märkten der Welt finden“ (15). Manche Historiker meinen sogar, dies sei einer der Hauptgründe für den Kriegseintritt der USA in den Ersten und Zweiten Weltkrieg gewesen.
Allegedly, this is just citing
(15) Kennedy, Paul: Aufstieg und Fall der großen Mächte. Ökonomischer Wandel und militärischer Konflikt von 1500 bis 2000. Frankfurt am Main 1989, S. 374
The German version is not available to me, but checking this against
Paul Kennedy: "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000", Random House, 1987 I could not find this quote. Not even something remotely similar.
Widening the search for anything like that directly by Wilson was a dead end as well.
As far as I understand formatting of citations, the author implies to get his Wilson quote from Kennedy and either shortens it or splices two closely related sentences into one:
Diplomacy and, if need be, violence must open the way to the (foreign) markets […?][because] US industries have spread to the point where they will burst at the seams if they cannot freely access the world's markets.
Is this quoted out of context, invented, or did Wilson say something to this effect?
world-war-one quotes
add a comment |
US President Woodrow Wilson stated openly before the First World War:
"Diplomacy and, if need be, violence must open the way to the (foreign) markets."
His central argument was that US industries have
"spread to the point where they will burst at the seams if they cannot freely access the world's markets".(15)
Some historians even say that this was one of the main reasons for the US entering the First and Second World War.
This is quoted from Jürgen Todenhöfer: "Die große Heuchelei: Wie der Westen seine Werte verrät", Ullstein, 2019. (My translation from this page).
US-Präsident Woodrow Wilson erklärte vor dem Ersten Weltkrieg offen: „Diplomatie und, wenn es sein muss, Gewalt müssen den Weg zu den (ausländischen Märkten) erschließen.“ Sein zentrales Argument lautete: Die US-Industrien haben sich „bis zu dem Punkt ausgebreitet, wo sie aus den Nähten platzen werden, wenn sie keinen freien Zugang zu den Märkten der Welt finden“ (15). Manche Historiker meinen sogar, dies sei einer der Hauptgründe für den Kriegseintritt der USA in den Ersten und Zweiten Weltkrieg gewesen.
Allegedly, this is just citing
(15) Kennedy, Paul: Aufstieg und Fall der großen Mächte. Ökonomischer Wandel und militärischer Konflikt von 1500 bis 2000. Frankfurt am Main 1989, S. 374
The German version is not available to me, but checking this against
Paul Kennedy: "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000", Random House, 1987 I could not find this quote. Not even something remotely similar.
Widening the search for anything like that directly by Wilson was a dead end as well.
As far as I understand formatting of citations, the author implies to get his Wilson quote from Kennedy and either shortens it or splices two closely related sentences into one:
Diplomacy and, if need be, violence must open the way to the (foreign) markets […?][because] US industries have spread to the point where they will burst at the seams if they cannot freely access the world's markets.
Is this quoted out of context, invented, or did Wilson say something to this effect?
world-war-one quotes
US President Woodrow Wilson stated openly before the First World War:
"Diplomacy and, if need be, violence must open the way to the (foreign) markets."
His central argument was that US industries have
"spread to the point where they will burst at the seams if they cannot freely access the world's markets".(15)
Some historians even say that this was one of the main reasons for the US entering the First and Second World War.
This is quoted from Jürgen Todenhöfer: "Die große Heuchelei: Wie der Westen seine Werte verrät", Ullstein, 2019. (My translation from this page).
US-Präsident Woodrow Wilson erklärte vor dem Ersten Weltkrieg offen: „Diplomatie und, wenn es sein muss, Gewalt müssen den Weg zu den (ausländischen Märkten) erschließen.“ Sein zentrales Argument lautete: Die US-Industrien haben sich „bis zu dem Punkt ausgebreitet, wo sie aus den Nähten platzen werden, wenn sie keinen freien Zugang zu den Märkten der Welt finden“ (15). Manche Historiker meinen sogar, dies sei einer der Hauptgründe für den Kriegseintritt der USA in den Ersten und Zweiten Weltkrieg gewesen.
Allegedly, this is just citing
(15) Kennedy, Paul: Aufstieg und Fall der großen Mächte. Ökonomischer Wandel und militärischer Konflikt von 1500 bis 2000. Frankfurt am Main 1989, S. 374
The German version is not available to me, but checking this against
Paul Kennedy: "The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers: Economic Change and Military Conflict from 1500 to 2000", Random House, 1987 I could not find this quote. Not even something remotely similar.
Widening the search for anything like that directly by Wilson was a dead end as well.
As far as I understand formatting of citations, the author implies to get his Wilson quote from Kennedy and either shortens it or splices two closely related sentences into one:
Diplomacy and, if need be, violence must open the way to the (foreign) markets […?][because] US industries have spread to the point where they will burst at the seams if they cannot freely access the world's markets.
Is this quoted out of context, invented, or did Wilson say something to this effect?
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Wilson did publish something similar to your quote, but you need to search with the word power instead of violence.
Here's a mention of a source:
In 1902 he published the four-volume History of the American People,
which made it clear that the
historian-as-politician-as-would-be-world-leader viewed economic
expansion as the frontier to replace the continent that had been
occupied. A section in volume 5 (which reads like a close paraphrase
of some essays written by Brooks Adams) recommended increased
efficiency in government so that the United States "might command the
economic fortunes of the world." He concluded his analysis by
stressing the need for markets—markets "to which diplomacy, and if
need be power, must make an open way."
The full quote looks like this, from A History Of The American People Vol V, BY WOODROW WILSON,pg 295.
The great East was the market all the world coveted now, the market for
which statesmen as well as merchants must plan and play the game of
competition, the market to which diplomacy, and if need be power must
make an open way.
Concerning the second portion of the quote, I find nothing resembling 'burst at the seams' or 'freely access' in either Wilson's work, or in Paul Kennedy's.
Given the back&forth of translations, that seems indeed to be the source for the Wilson quote. Thanks. Comparing the footnote and page number to Kennedy, leads me to think Todenhöfer had roughly the right quote in mind but misattributes it, by simple error?
– LangLangC
May 26 at 15:31
Err... How do you find a quote in volume 5 of a 4-volume work?
– jamesqf
May 26 at 17:55
@LangLangC I was thinking translation issue a possability as well..
– justCal
May 26 at 19:30
@jamesqf I thought that was funny too. The linked version has 5 volumes though.
– justCal
May 26 at 19:32
1
Honestly, I'm not even sure that was a bad translation. He's clearly talking about what we'd today call "soft power" vs. "hard power", and using the word "power" to indicate hard power. But its also past tense and describing basically how Westerners (particularly the Europeans) treated China. Barring further context, this wasn't a description of a future plan.
– T.E.D.♦
May 26 at 22:18
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Wilson did publish something similar to your quote, but you need to search with the word power instead of violence.
Here's a mention of a source:
In 1902 he published the four-volume History of the American People,
which made it clear that the
historian-as-politician-as-would-be-world-leader viewed economic
expansion as the frontier to replace the continent that had been
occupied. A section in volume 5 (which reads like a close paraphrase
of some essays written by Brooks Adams) recommended increased
efficiency in government so that the United States "might command the
economic fortunes of the world." He concluded his analysis by
stressing the need for markets—markets "to which diplomacy, and if
need be power, must make an open way."
The full quote looks like this, from A History Of The American People Vol V, BY WOODROW WILSON,pg 295.
The great East was the market all the world coveted now, the market for
which statesmen as well as merchants must plan and play the game of
competition, the market to which diplomacy, and if need be power must
make an open way.
Concerning the second portion of the quote, I find nothing resembling 'burst at the seams' or 'freely access' in either Wilson's work, or in Paul Kennedy's.
Given the back&forth of translations, that seems indeed to be the source for the Wilson quote. Thanks. Comparing the footnote and page number to Kennedy, leads me to think Todenhöfer had roughly the right quote in mind but misattributes it, by simple error?
– LangLangC
May 26 at 15:31
Err... How do you find a quote in volume 5 of a 4-volume work?
– jamesqf
May 26 at 17:55
@LangLangC I was thinking translation issue a possability as well..
– justCal
May 26 at 19:30
@jamesqf I thought that was funny too. The linked version has 5 volumes though.
– justCal
May 26 at 19:32
1
Honestly, I'm not even sure that was a bad translation. He's clearly talking about what we'd today call "soft power" vs. "hard power", and using the word "power" to indicate hard power. But its also past tense and describing basically how Westerners (particularly the Europeans) treated China. Barring further context, this wasn't a description of a future plan.
– T.E.D.♦
May 26 at 22:18
|
show 4 more comments
Wilson did publish something similar to your quote, but you need to search with the word power instead of violence.
Here's a mention of a source:
In 1902 he published the four-volume History of the American People,
which made it clear that the
historian-as-politician-as-would-be-world-leader viewed economic
expansion as the frontier to replace the continent that had been
occupied. A section in volume 5 (which reads like a close paraphrase
of some essays written by Brooks Adams) recommended increased
efficiency in government so that the United States "might command the
economic fortunes of the world." He concluded his analysis by
stressing the need for markets—markets "to which diplomacy, and if
need be power, must make an open way."
The full quote looks like this, from A History Of The American People Vol V, BY WOODROW WILSON,pg 295.
The great East was the market all the world coveted now, the market for
which statesmen as well as merchants must plan and play the game of
competition, the market to which diplomacy, and if need be power must
make an open way.
Concerning the second portion of the quote, I find nothing resembling 'burst at the seams' or 'freely access' in either Wilson's work, or in Paul Kennedy's.
Given the back&forth of translations, that seems indeed to be the source for the Wilson quote. Thanks. Comparing the footnote and page number to Kennedy, leads me to think Todenhöfer had roughly the right quote in mind but misattributes it, by simple error?
– LangLangC
May 26 at 15:31
Err... How do you find a quote in volume 5 of a 4-volume work?
– jamesqf
May 26 at 17:55
@LangLangC I was thinking translation issue a possability as well..
– justCal
May 26 at 19:30
@jamesqf I thought that was funny too. The linked version has 5 volumes though.
– justCal
May 26 at 19:32
1
Honestly, I'm not even sure that was a bad translation. He's clearly talking about what we'd today call "soft power" vs. "hard power", and using the word "power" to indicate hard power. But its also past tense and describing basically how Westerners (particularly the Europeans) treated China. Barring further context, this wasn't a description of a future plan.
– T.E.D.♦
May 26 at 22:18
|
show 4 more comments
Wilson did publish something similar to your quote, but you need to search with the word power instead of violence.
Here's a mention of a source:
In 1902 he published the four-volume History of the American People,
which made it clear that the
historian-as-politician-as-would-be-world-leader viewed economic
expansion as the frontier to replace the continent that had been
occupied. A section in volume 5 (which reads like a close paraphrase
of some essays written by Brooks Adams) recommended increased
efficiency in government so that the United States "might command the
economic fortunes of the world." He concluded his analysis by
stressing the need for markets—markets "to which diplomacy, and if
need be power, must make an open way."
The full quote looks like this, from A History Of The American People Vol V, BY WOODROW WILSON,pg 295.
The great East was the market all the world coveted now, the market for
which statesmen as well as merchants must plan and play the game of
competition, the market to which diplomacy, and if need be power must
make an open way.
Concerning the second portion of the quote, I find nothing resembling 'burst at the seams' or 'freely access' in either Wilson's work, or in Paul Kennedy's.
Wilson did publish something similar to your quote, but you need to search with the word power instead of violence.
Here's a mention of a source:
In 1902 he published the four-volume History of the American People,
which made it clear that the
historian-as-politician-as-would-be-world-leader viewed economic
expansion as the frontier to replace the continent that had been
occupied. A section in volume 5 (which reads like a close paraphrase
of some essays written by Brooks Adams) recommended increased
efficiency in government so that the United States "might command the
economic fortunes of the world." He concluded his analysis by
stressing the need for markets—markets "to which diplomacy, and if
need be power, must make an open way."
The full quote looks like this, from A History Of The American People Vol V, BY WOODROW WILSON,pg 295.
The great East was the market all the world coveted now, the market for
which statesmen as well as merchants must plan and play the game of
competition, the market to which diplomacy, and if need be power must
make an open way.
Concerning the second portion of the quote, I find nothing resembling 'burst at the seams' or 'freely access' in either Wilson's work, or in Paul Kennedy's.
edited May 27 at 14:06
answered May 26 at 14:15
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Given the back&forth of translations, that seems indeed to be the source for the Wilson quote. Thanks. Comparing the footnote and page number to Kennedy, leads me to think Todenhöfer had roughly the right quote in mind but misattributes it, by simple error?
– LangLangC
May 26 at 15:31
Err... How do you find a quote in volume 5 of a 4-volume work?
– jamesqf
May 26 at 17:55
@LangLangC I was thinking translation issue a possability as well..
– justCal
May 26 at 19:30
@jamesqf I thought that was funny too. The linked version has 5 volumes though.
– justCal
May 26 at 19:32
1
Honestly, I'm not even sure that was a bad translation. He's clearly talking about what we'd today call "soft power" vs. "hard power", and using the word "power" to indicate hard power. But its also past tense and describing basically how Westerners (particularly the Europeans) treated China. Barring further context, this wasn't a description of a future plan.
– T.E.D.♦
May 26 at 22:18
|
show 4 more comments
Given the back&forth of translations, that seems indeed to be the source for the Wilson quote. Thanks. Comparing the footnote and page number to Kennedy, leads me to think Todenhöfer had roughly the right quote in mind but misattributes it, by simple error?
– LangLangC
May 26 at 15:31
Err... How do you find a quote in volume 5 of a 4-volume work?
– jamesqf
May 26 at 17:55
@LangLangC I was thinking translation issue a possability as well..
– justCal
May 26 at 19:30
@jamesqf I thought that was funny too. The linked version has 5 volumes though.
– justCal
May 26 at 19:32
1
Honestly, I'm not even sure that was a bad translation. He's clearly talking about what we'd today call "soft power" vs. "hard power", and using the word "power" to indicate hard power. But its also past tense and describing basically how Westerners (particularly the Europeans) treated China. Barring further context, this wasn't a description of a future plan.
– T.E.D.♦
May 26 at 22:18
Given the back&forth of translations, that seems indeed to be the source for the Wilson quote. Thanks. Comparing the footnote and page number to Kennedy, leads me to think Todenhöfer had roughly the right quote in mind but misattributes it, by simple error?
– LangLangC
May 26 at 15:31
Given the back&forth of translations, that seems indeed to be the source for the Wilson quote. Thanks. Comparing the footnote and page number to Kennedy, leads me to think Todenhöfer had roughly the right quote in mind but misattributes it, by simple error?
– LangLangC
May 26 at 15:31
Err... How do you find a quote in volume 5 of a 4-volume work?
– jamesqf
May 26 at 17:55
Err... How do you find a quote in volume 5 of a 4-volume work?
– jamesqf
May 26 at 17:55
@LangLangC I was thinking translation issue a possability as well..
– justCal
May 26 at 19:30
@LangLangC I was thinking translation issue a possability as well..
– justCal
May 26 at 19:30
@jamesqf I thought that was funny too. The linked version has 5 volumes though.
– justCal
May 26 at 19:32
@jamesqf I thought that was funny too. The linked version has 5 volumes though.
– justCal
May 26 at 19:32
1
1
Honestly, I'm not even sure that was a bad translation. He's clearly talking about what we'd today call "soft power" vs. "hard power", and using the word "power" to indicate hard power. But its also past tense and describing basically how Westerners (particularly the Europeans) treated China. Barring further context, this wasn't a description of a future plan.
– T.E.D.♦
May 26 at 22:18
Honestly, I'm not even sure that was a bad translation. He's clearly talking about what we'd today call "soft power" vs. "hard power", and using the word "power" to indicate hard power. But its also past tense and describing basically how Westerners (particularly the Europeans) treated China. Barring further context, this wasn't a description of a future plan.
– T.E.D.♦
May 26 at 22:18
|
show 4 more comments
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