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Is “ein Herz wie das meine” an antiquated or colloquial use of the possesive pronoun?

How do “attributiv” and “nicht attributiv” work?When to use which pronoun declination: mein, meiner, meine, meins, etcThe difference between “mein” and “meine”When are article + possessive pronoun constructions like “Der meine ist gut” used?Do I need to repeat the possessive pronoun for a second substantive?

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I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther

Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?

I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.

If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?

ein Herz wie das meinem

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I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther

Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?

I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.

If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?

ein Herz wie das meinem

possessive-pronouns

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  wie das meinem is neither accusative nor right, it is a mix with dative and wrong. I cannot find any "sounds odd/old/wrong" on your quote from Goethe. just the entire way of speaking in this book is a bit "gestelzt".
  
  – Shegit Brahm
  Apr 22 at 15:44
  

  
  
  
  

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I am confused by the use of meine in this quote from Die Leiden des jungen Werther

Waren nicht meine übrigen Verbindungen recht ausgesucht vom Schicksal, um ein Herz wie das meine zu ängstigen?

I take ein Herz wie das meine to mean a heart such as mine.

If meine refers to Herz shouldn't it be in the accusative neuter?

ein Herz wie das meinem

possessive-pronouns

share|improve this question

edited Apr 22 at 21:22

sgf

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No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).

In the Wiktionary
table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gestelzt) but definitely not wrong (nor colloquial).

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  As @ShegitBrahm pointed out in their comment, it sounds "gestelzt". In common language, one would use "ein Herz wie meines".
  
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This use is as much antiquated as it is lyrical. It definitively is not colloquial. Some may use that occasionally but its by far not the norm.

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In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be

ein Herz wie meins

with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.

daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickeln mußte (Quelle)

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  Goethe selbst hat diese Form in Prometheus verwendet: „...Ein Ohr, zu hören meine Klage, Ein Herz wie meins, Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen...”
  
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No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).

In the Wiktionary
table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gestelzt) but definitely not wrong (nor colloquial).

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  As @ShegitBrahm pointed out in their comment, it sounds "gestelzt". In common language, one would use "ein Herz wie meines".
  
  – rexkogitans
  2 days ago
  
  

  
  
  
  

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No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).

In the Wiktionary
table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gestelzt) but definitely not wrong (nor colloquial).

share|improve this answer

edited 15 hours ago

answered Apr 22 at 16:44

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  As @ShegitBrahm pointed out in their comment, it sounds "gestelzt". In common language, one would use "ein Herz wie meines".
  
  – rexkogitans
  2 days ago
  
  

  
  
  
  

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No. It's perfectly right. You are also right supposing that the case is accusative and the gender neuter. You are wrong, however, using meinem (is dative).

In the Wiktionary
table, cf. Nicht-attributiv, mit Artikel, you'll find agreement with Goethe's text. It's probably another register (gestelzt) but definitely not wrong (nor colloquial).

share|improve this answer

edited 15 hours ago

answered Apr 22 at 16:44

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c.p.c.p.

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answered Apr 22 at 16:44

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This use is as much antiquated as it is lyrical. It definitively is not colloquial. Some may use that occasionally but its by far not the norm.

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This use is as much antiquated as it is lyrical. It definitively is not colloquial. Some may use that occasionally but its by far not the norm.

share|improve this answer

edited 2 days ago

sgf

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der benderder bender

873

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This use is as much antiquated as it is lyrical. It definitively is not colloquial. Some may use that occasionally but its by far not the norm.

share|improve this answer

edited 2 days ago

sgf

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der benderder bender

873

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der benderder bender

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In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be

ein Herz wie meins

with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.

daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickeln mußte (Quelle)

share|improve this answer

edited 2 days ago

answered Apr 22 at 21:52

David VogtDavid Vogt

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• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Goethe selbst hat diese Form in Prometheus verwendet: „...Ein Ohr, zu hören meine Klage, Ein Herz wie meins, Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen...”
  
  – c.p.
  2 days ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

5

In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be

ein Herz wie meins

with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.

daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickeln mußte (Quelle)

share|improve this answer

edited 2 days ago

answered Apr 22 at 21:52

David VogtDavid Vogt

5,7121332

• 
  
  
  

  
  1
  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  Goethe selbst hat diese Form in Prometheus verwendet: „...Ein Ohr, zu hören meine Klage, Ein Herz wie meins, Sich des Bedrängten zu erbarmen...”
  
  – c.p.
  2 days ago
  

  
  
  
  

add a comment | 

In your example, meine is a possessive adjective with a regular weak ending -e (just as in das kranke Herz). The more modern form would be

ein Herz wie meins

with a neuter possessive pronoun (ending -s). Personally, I do find the combination of definite article and possessive adjective old-fashioned. Note that these adjectives can have -ig appended to them.

daß grade Athen der Ort war wo ein Geist wie der seinige sich aufs herrlichste entwickeln mußte (Quelle)

share|improve this answer

edited 2 days ago

answered Apr 22 at 21:52

David VogtDavid Vogt

5,7121332

share|improve this answer

edited 2 days ago

answered Apr 22 at 21:52

David VogtDavid Vogt

5,7121332

answered Apr 22 at 21:52

David VogtDavid Vogt

5,7121332

answered Apr 22 at 21:52

David VogtDavid Vogt

5,7121332