Does the mixture and throttle setting affect the quality of priming of fuel prior to start?Why are some fuel-injected engines started with the mixture at idle cut-off?
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Does the mixture and throttle setting affect the quality of priming of fuel prior to start?
Why are some fuel-injected engines started with the mixture at idle cut-off?
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This question is a generality. For airplanes with small reciprocating engines, does the mixture and throttle setting at the time of priming affect the quality of the priming or the engine start, or is the priming unaffected by mixture and throttle positions?
Does it make a difference if the engine has carburetor or fuel-injected in regards to mixture and throttle at priming time?
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This question is a generality. For airplanes with small reciprocating engines, does the mixture and throttle setting at the time of priming affect the quality of the priming or the engine start, or is the priming unaffected by mixture and throttle positions?
Does it make a difference if the engine has carburetor or fuel-injected in regards to mixture and throttle at priming time?
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asked Jun 3 at 3:22
Ryan MortensenRyan Mortensen
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This question is a generality. For airplanes with small reciprocating engines, does the mixture and throttle setting at the time of priming affect the quality of the priming or the engine start, or is the priming unaffected by mixture and throttle positions?
Does it make a difference if the engine has carburetor or fuel-injected in regards to mixture and throttle at priming time?
engine piston-engine fuel-systems throttle mixture
asked Jun 3 at 3:22
Ryan MortensenRyan Mortensen
3,8171043
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This question is a generality. For airplanes with small reciprocating engines, does the mixture and throttle setting at the time of priming affect the quality of the priming or the engine start, or is the priming unaffected by mixture and throttle positions?
Does it make a difference if the engine has carburetor or fuel-injected in regards to mixture and throttle at priming time?
engine piston-engine fuel-systems throttle mixture
engine piston-engine fuel-systems throttle mixture
asked Jun 3 at 3:22
Ryan MortensenRyan Mortensen
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asked Jun 3 at 3:22
Ryan MortensenRyan Mortensen
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asked Jun 3 at 3:22
Ryan MortensenRyan Mortensen
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asked Jun 3 at 3:22
Ryan MortensenRyan Mortensen
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asked Jun 3 at 3:22
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On a carbureted engine, the mixture and throttle setting does not affect prime, which uses a separate injection system that draws fuel into a syringe and injects it into the intake passages at the cylinders when you push in the primer's syringe plunger.
On a fuel injected engine, where the Bendix mechanical fuel injection system is pretty common, if the fuel system is pressurized and the mixture is rich, the system is injecting sufficient fuel at each cylinder for idle continuously. So you prime them by doing just that, pressurizing and advancing mixture, for a set period of time, say, 3 seconds or whatever, then pulling the mixture back to idle cutoff to stop spraying gas. This does the same thing as stroking the primer on a carb engine. Like the carb engine, it doesn't matter where the throttle is at this point.
When you start an injected engine, you start with the throttle cracked like a carb engine, but unlike a carb engine where you put the mixture to rich for the start, you have to crank with mixture at idle cutoff and move the mixture forward after the engine fires before it consumes the fuel vapour in the intake passages created by priming, within a second or two.
Injected engines are more finicky to start because the amount of prime is a bit harder to regulate, being a timing function that you have to adjust for ambient temps and engine warmup state vs counting primer strokes so they are much easier to over/under prime, and as well the timing of the advancement of the mixture after start is important. Do it too soon and you can get flooding or intake backfires and too late it dies before it really gets going.
answered Jun 3 at 4:17
John KJohn K
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Great answer! I had never really put 2 and 2 together that only carburetor engines have manual priming plungers.
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– Ryan Mortensen
Jun 3 at 4:44
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Only a bit related, but the carbureted Lyc on my airplane was set (by the previous owner) with the idle mixture leaner than normal. I realized this when I noticed there was no rpm blip when you selected idle cutoff, and it explained why the thing was hard to keep running when cold even with adequate prime. This was done to minimize lead fouling running avgas. I use mogas but have never bothered to re-adjust it. It means though that if it's cold out, I start with the primer plunger extended, and slowly feed in prime after it catches. After about 10-15 seconds it isn't necessary any more.
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On a carbureted engine, the mixture and throttle setting does not affect prime, which uses a separate injection system that draws fuel into a syringe and injects it into the intake passages at the cylinders when you push in the primer's syringe plunger.
On a fuel injected engine, where the Bendix mechanical fuel injection system is pretty common, if the fuel system is pressurized and the mixture is rich, the system is injecting sufficient fuel at each cylinder for idle continuously. So you prime them by doing just that, pressurizing and advancing mixture, for a set period of time, say, 3 seconds or whatever, then pulling the mixture back to idle cutoff to stop spraying gas. This does the same thing as stroking the primer on a carb engine. Like the carb engine, it doesn't matter where the throttle is at this point.
When you start an injected engine, you start with the throttle cracked like a carb engine, but unlike a carb engine where you put the mixture to rich for the start, you have to crank with mixture at idle cutoff and move the mixture forward after the engine fires before it consumes the fuel vapour in the intake passages created by priming, within a second or two.
Injected engines are more finicky to start because the amount of prime is a bit harder to regulate, being a timing function that you have to adjust for ambient temps and engine warmup state vs counting primer strokes so they are much easier to over/under prime, and as well the timing of the advancement of the mixture after start is important. Do it too soon and you can get flooding or intake backfires and too late it dies before it really gets going.
answered Jun 3 at 4:17
John KJohn K
31.2k152102
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Great answer! I had never really put 2 and 2 together that only carburetor engines have manual priming plungers.
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– Ryan Mortensen
Jun 3 at 4:44
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Only a bit related, but the carbureted Lyc on my airplane was set (by the previous owner) with the idle mixture leaner than normal. I realized this when I noticed there was no rpm blip when you selected idle cutoff, and it explained why the thing was hard to keep running when cold even with adequate prime. This was done to minimize lead fouling running avgas. I use mogas but have never bothered to re-adjust it. It means though that if it's cold out, I start with the primer plunger extended, and slowly feed in prime after it catches. After about 10-15 seconds it isn't necessary any more.
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– John K
Jun 3 at 18:54
add a comment |
$begingroup$
On a carbureted engine, the mixture and throttle setting does not affect prime, which uses a separate injection system that draws fuel into a syringe and injects it into the intake passages at the cylinders when you push in the primer's syringe plunger.
On a fuel injected engine, where the Bendix mechanical fuel injection system is pretty common, if the fuel system is pressurized and the mixture is rich, the system is injecting sufficient fuel at each cylinder for idle continuously. So you prime them by doing just that, pressurizing and advancing mixture, for a set period of time, say, 3 seconds or whatever, then pulling the mixture back to idle cutoff to stop spraying gas. This does the same thing as stroking the primer on a carb engine. Like the carb engine, it doesn't matter where the throttle is at this point.
When you start an injected engine, you start with the throttle cracked like a carb engine, but unlike a carb engine where you put the mixture to rich for the start, you have to crank with mixture at idle cutoff and move the mixture forward after the engine fires before it consumes the fuel vapour in the intake passages created by priming, within a second or two.
Injected engines are more finicky to start because the amount of prime is a bit harder to regulate, being a timing function that you have to adjust for ambient temps and engine warmup state vs counting primer strokes so they are much easier to over/under prime, and as well the timing of the advancement of the mixture after start is important. Do it too soon and you can get flooding or intake backfires and too late it dies before it really gets going.
answered Jun 3 at 4:17
John KJohn K
31.2k152102
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Great answer! I had never really put 2 and 2 together that only carburetor engines have manual priming plungers.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Mortensen
Jun 3 at 4:44
$begingroup$
Only a bit related, but the carbureted Lyc on my airplane was set (by the previous owner) with the idle mixture leaner than normal. I realized this when I noticed there was no rpm blip when you selected idle cutoff, and it explained why the thing was hard to keep running when cold even with adequate prime. This was done to minimize lead fouling running avgas. I use mogas but have never bothered to re-adjust it. It means though that if it's cold out, I start with the primer plunger extended, and slowly feed in prime after it catches. After about 10-15 seconds it isn't necessary any more.
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:54
add a comment |
$begingroup$
On a carbureted engine, the mixture and throttle setting does not affect prime, which uses a separate injection system that draws fuel into a syringe and injects it into the intake passages at the cylinders when you push in the primer's syringe plunger.
On a fuel injected engine, where the Bendix mechanical fuel injection system is pretty common, if the fuel system is pressurized and the mixture is rich, the system is injecting sufficient fuel at each cylinder for idle continuously. So you prime them by doing just that, pressurizing and advancing mixture, for a set period of time, say, 3 seconds or whatever, then pulling the mixture back to idle cutoff to stop spraying gas. This does the same thing as stroking the primer on a carb engine. Like the carb engine, it doesn't matter where the throttle is at this point.
When you start an injected engine, you start with the throttle cracked like a carb engine, but unlike a carb engine where you put the mixture to rich for the start, you have to crank with mixture at idle cutoff and move the mixture forward after the engine fires before it consumes the fuel vapour in the intake passages created by priming, within a second or two.
Injected engines are more finicky to start because the amount of prime is a bit harder to regulate, being a timing function that you have to adjust for ambient temps and engine warmup state vs counting primer strokes so they are much easier to over/under prime, and as well the timing of the advancement of the mixture after start is important. Do it too soon and you can get flooding or intake backfires and too late it dies before it really gets going.
answered Jun 3 at 4:17
John KJohn K
31.2k152102
$endgroup$
On a carbureted engine, the mixture and throttle setting does not affect prime, which uses a separate injection system that draws fuel into a syringe and injects it into the intake passages at the cylinders when you push in the primer's syringe plunger.
On a fuel injected engine, where the Bendix mechanical fuel injection system is pretty common, if the fuel system is pressurized and the mixture is rich, the system is injecting sufficient fuel at each cylinder for idle continuously. So you prime them by doing just that, pressurizing and advancing mixture, for a set period of time, say, 3 seconds or whatever, then pulling the mixture back to idle cutoff to stop spraying gas. This does the same thing as stroking the primer on a carb engine. Like the carb engine, it doesn't matter where the throttle is at this point.
When you start an injected engine, you start with the throttle cracked like a carb engine, but unlike a carb engine where you put the mixture to rich for the start, you have to crank with mixture at idle cutoff and move the mixture forward after the engine fires before it consumes the fuel vapour in the intake passages created by priming, within a second or two.
Injected engines are more finicky to start because the amount of prime is a bit harder to regulate, being a timing function that you have to adjust for ambient temps and engine warmup state vs counting primer strokes so they are much easier to over/under prime, and as well the timing of the advancement of the mixture after start is important. Do it too soon and you can get flooding or intake backfires and too late it dies before it really gets going.
answered Jun 3 at 4:17
John KJohn K
31.2k152102
answered Jun 3 at 4:17
John KJohn K
31.2k152102
answered Jun 3 at 4:17
John KJohn K
31.2k152102
answered Jun 3 at 4:17
John KJohn K
31.2k152102
31.2k152102
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Great answer! I had never really put 2 and 2 together that only carburetor engines have manual priming plungers.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Mortensen
Jun 3 at 4:44
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Only a bit related, but the carbureted Lyc on my airplane was set (by the previous owner) with the idle mixture leaner than normal. I realized this when I noticed there was no rpm blip when you selected idle cutoff, and it explained why the thing was hard to keep running when cold even with adequate prime. This was done to minimize lead fouling running avgas. I use mogas but have never bothered to re-adjust it. It means though that if it's cold out, I start with the primer plunger extended, and slowly feed in prime after it catches. After about 10-15 seconds it isn't necessary any more.
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:54
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Great answer! I had never really put 2 and 2 together that only carburetor engines have manual priming plungers.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Mortensen
Jun 3 at 4:44
$begingroup$
Only a bit related, but the carbureted Lyc on my airplane was set (by the previous owner) with the idle mixture leaner than normal. I realized this when I noticed there was no rpm blip when you selected idle cutoff, and it explained why the thing was hard to keep running when cold even with adequate prime. This was done to minimize lead fouling running avgas. I use mogas but have never bothered to re-adjust it. It means though that if it's cold out, I start with the primer plunger extended, and slowly feed in prime after it catches. After about 10-15 seconds it isn't necessary any more.
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:54
$begingroup$
Great answer! I had never really put 2 and 2 together that only carburetor engines have manual priming plungers.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Mortensen
Jun 3 at 4:44
$begingroup$
Great answer! I had never really put 2 and 2 together that only carburetor engines have manual priming plungers.
$endgroup$
– Ryan Mortensen
Jun 3 at 4:44
$begingroup$
Only a bit related, but the carbureted Lyc on my airplane was set (by the previous owner) with the idle mixture leaner than normal. I realized this when I noticed there was no rpm blip when you selected idle cutoff, and it explained why the thing was hard to keep running when cold even with adequate prime. This was done to minimize lead fouling running avgas. I use mogas but have never bothered to re-adjust it. It means though that if it's cold out, I start with the primer plunger extended, and slowly feed in prime after it catches. After about 10-15 seconds it isn't necessary any more.
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:54
$begingroup$
Only a bit related, but the carbureted Lyc on my airplane was set (by the previous owner) with the idle mixture leaner than normal. I realized this when I noticed there was no rpm blip when you selected idle cutoff, and it explained why the thing was hard to keep running when cold even with adequate prime. This was done to minimize lead fouling running avgas. I use mogas but have never bothered to re-adjust it. It means though that if it's cold out, I start with the primer plunger extended, and slowly feed in prime after it catches. After about 10-15 seconds it isn't necessary any more.
$endgroup$
– John K
Jun 3 at 18:54
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